I usually won't even bother giving an interview to someone with only a degree. They usually think they have all the answers, but they bring none. God help me, even a paper MCSE beats a CS degree...
CCNA is one of the easiest certs to get. One test that anyone who takes 10 minutes to study for can pass. No Cisco or networking experience required. It's a painfully easy test.
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Hush up. The truth is not well appreciated around these parts. You're supposed to just carry the/. Linux/BSD banner. All posts must include M$, MicroSucks or WinBLOWZ somewhere in them if they are to be taken serious by this community.
Yep. Spews is complete garbage. With any luck they will disappear forever. They blacklist organizations with ZERO proof or reasoning to substantiate their actions. They're self appointed internet vigilantes and it would not bother me at all if the people behind SPEWS disappeared from the face of the Earth.
There is no real reason to believe that the Linux loving script kiddie community is any more or less 'systems-savy' than a competent Windows admin. Just more malicious in how they choose to apply their skills.
Windows is attacked because it is what's there. Linux isn't there. Linux has not reached critical mass, certainly not the way that Windows has. Imagine the world that most/.ers dream of. Windows is dead and Linux rules the desktop and server. What do you think will be happening then? What if Linux actually were to become the 900lbs gorilla of the IT world? I'll tell you. You can expect Anti-Linux zealots to dedicate themselves and their resources to attacking it, and all the security shortcomings that are not heavily publicized now (because right now no one knows or cares other than the zealots that are trying to promote Linux, do you think they'll be forthright?) will creep to the surface. And Linux will be exposed for what it is, just another OS choice. No different than Windows, Netware, OS/2, or BeOS. People are delusional if they honestly believe that Linux is somehow inherently immune to malicious attacks. Changing the OS of choice will never be a substitute for the single largest rarity in the IT world, quality system administration.
I think it's amazing how so many people posting here want to assume/believe that ANY slight hiccup on ANY network ANYWHERE in the last week is a direct result of this issue.
If you are doing the 'quick and dirty' to bring in money/profit for the company and its owners, with no monetary reward for yourself, then you're a fool. If there is not a direct profit, in my pocket, the 'correct and proper' is the only option ever presented. If they don't agree to 'correct and proper' then nothing happens. I refuse to endure the pain and misery of a 'quick and dirty' if the only tangible benefit is to make my boss richer. Heck, ESPECIALLY if the only tangible benefit is to make my boss richer, because the expectation is that 'quick and dirty' can and will be done every time, they (he) will pocket the profits, and I will stuck with the headache, pain and misery of managing and maintaining that 'quick and dirty' mistake for eternity.
I've seen netware servers with uptime over five years and groupwise servers over three....
I just can NOT get over the idea that there are people out there claiming to reboot a server 3 - 4 times day. How about maybe someone get off their ass and do their fucking job and FIND THE PROBLEM AND FIX IT. Rebooting is not fixing. There is OBVIOUSLY a hardware issue or a config issue. If someone has servers taking a giant shit three times a day, how the fuck do you: 1. Stay employed and 2. have time to bother with/.
Yeah, when Windows NT came out it was this big buzz. You can share files AND run server applications. WOW! said the CIOs.
Which was always frustating since Netware, even 3.12, functioned great as an email and database server. The problem was NOT that Netware could not function as a database server. Or that Windows was faster in any way. The problem was that I have NEVER actually met someone that writes NLMs, but every junior high kid with a PC can (and does, which explains the quality sometimes) write windows applications. There were just so many more applications available for Windows, good or not didn't matter, they were there.
That's just stupid. I ran a Netware 3.12 box as a an IP and IPX router for four LANs almost 10 years ago. It was flawless. And this was on a high volume, 500 user, file and print server.
12 years ago on Netware 3.x, you're correct. Any abend killed the entire server. Today, that's not the case.
Another issue, my experience in Netware environmetns is that several services would be offered by a single server, something that just doesn't happen in the Windows world. 10 Years of Windows Admin and I see it ALL THE TIME. New service for the network, means a new server. So if a single application crashes, does it impact other services? No, because those other services are on different servers. That explains 90% of the Windows environments I've seen. A serious application fault in Windows is a BSOD. Tell me again how you recover gracefully from that without interupting any service other than the single offender?
But thats only a part of what a NOS does. Consider Groupwise, ZenWorks and other products inherent to a Novell network and you'll quickly realize that there is nothing near as mature on Linux right now. (note: Ximian just recently put out Enterprise Red Carpet, which I haven't evaluated.)
And the problem in a Novell environment like that, from what I have seen, is that Groupwise, ZenWorks and other Novell products are rarely implemented properly. You can't fault Novell for that, but it seems to be a recurring problem in Novell sites that I see. The common answer people toss out when that happens is to change the operating environment, but changing from Netware to Windows to Linux to BSD to whateverOSandauthenticationsystemyouwant doesn't fix poor admin practices...
If only they will get rid of that Java console that runs on the server (like a server needs a gui), they will be much better off.
Don't load it. Do you load up a GUI console on your Linux servers? Probably not, because you don't have to. You don't HAVE to load the GUI console on a Netware Server either. And you shouldn't, the thing is god awful...
The product should be reasonably robust out of the box. If you need to be a Grand Wizard of VMS, it rather defeats much of the point of an OS's niftiness.
Ok, so you've made your point that Linux and BSD aren't viable. Thanks. Really, has anyone EVER actually taken an 'out of the box' installation of Linux or BSD and used it as a production file/print/db/messaging server? No, they haven't. At least not if they have the SLIGHTEST CLUE what they are doing..
Now what every one needs to do is shutup, and go check out CERTS and tell me which OS has had fewer critical bugs found in the last five years. Linux or Netware. Yep, that's right, it's Netware. Heaven forbid you use something that actually work.
Netware. The OS that anyone with an IQ over 50 (which eliminates 90% of the worlds sys admins) could install and manage. You know why over zealous (and ignorant) techies don't love Netware? Because it actually works. You do your legwork up front, install and configure, then walk off and don't touch it for five years. Linux crackheads want something they can fingerbang twice a week, so a Linux server works...
I regret to inform you that you have made it PAINFULLY obvious that you have no clue when it comes to directory services, and you probably should not take part in discussions that are so far over your head.
Why does it matter if MS is marketing the OS to stupid people that have to buy every upgrade. The point is the same, and quite valid, the difference between, for example, 2000 Professional and XP Professional is minimal, and hardly worth the cost of upgrade. I don't know ANYONE that is actually dumb enough to go out and replace their existing 2k desktops with XP desktops. Of course the new purchases are XP, but the existing 2k desktops will stay as is until the PC's EOL comes about. And that just backs up the point, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two...
That the 'Hollywood' machine will be shut down in three years. And much like the RIAA, they will come up with a million excuses, and a million people to blame, other than themselves.
So long as they continue to make horrible movies with huge cost over runs, and then market them down your throat, they have no one to blame but themselves.
And they've done quite well pushing DVD in the home market as it is. They thought it was a great idea, to release the film to cinema and have you pay to see it once or twice there. Then release it to VHS/DVD so you could pay to rent it once or twice, then pay to buy it. Of course you will want to buy it because there are special directors cut, unreleased footage, stupid starlet naked scenes in the home DVD. Then a year after you purchase that, they will release another special letterbox edition with even more missing scenes, blah blah blah.
The good news of course is that people are finally getting smart enough to skip out on the cinema experience, since it has become an expensive and unpleasant one. I saw two movies at the cinema in the last year. Lord of The Rings and Attack Of The Clones. One of those was actually a pleasant experience, because it was a great movie. The other was a prime example of how Hollywood has no one to blame but themselves. Ripping off the past is not the path to a bright future.
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I usually won't even bother giving an interview to someone with only a degree. They usually think they have all the answers, but they bring none. God help me, even a paper MCSE beats a CS degree...
CCNA is one of the easiest certs to get. One test that anyone who takes 10 minutes to study for can pass. No Cisco or networking experience required. It's a painfully easy test. grayantimatter ccnp, ccdp, mcne, mcse, n+, s+, ccea
They aren't looking out for you. They never will. Fuck them. Take care of yourself. If that means keeping your mouth shut then so be it.
Hush up. The truth is not well appreciated around these parts. You're supposed to just carry the /. Linux/BSD banner. All posts must include M$, MicroSucks or WinBLOWZ somewhere in them if they are to be taken serious by this community.
Yep. Spews is complete garbage. With any luck they will disappear forever. They blacklist organizations with ZERO proof or reasoning to substantiate their actions. They're self appointed internet vigilantes and it would not bother me at all if the people behind SPEWS disappeared from the face of the Earth.
There is no real reason to believe that the Linux loving script kiddie community is any more or less 'systems-savy' than a competent Windows admin. Just more malicious in how they choose to apply their skills.
Windows is attacked because it is what's there. Linux isn't there. Linux has not reached critical mass, certainly not the way that Windows has. Imagine the world that most /.ers dream of. Windows is dead and Linux rules the desktop and server. What do you think will be happening then? What if Linux actually were to become the 900lbs gorilla of the IT world? I'll tell you. You can expect Anti-Linux zealots to dedicate themselves and their resources to attacking it, and all the security shortcomings that are not heavily publicized now (because right now no one knows or cares other than the zealots that are trying to promote Linux, do you think they'll be forthright?) will creep to the surface. And Linux will be exposed for what it is, just another OS choice. No different than Windows, Netware, OS/2, or BeOS. People are delusional if they honestly believe that Linux is somehow inherently immune to malicious attacks. Changing the OS of choice will never be a substitute for the single largest rarity in the IT world, quality system administration.
I think it's amazing how so many people posting here want to assume/believe that ANY slight hiccup on ANY network ANYWHERE in the last week is a direct result of this issue.
If you are doing the 'quick and dirty' to bring in money/profit for the company and its owners, with no monetary reward for yourself, then you're a fool. If there is not a direct profit, in my pocket, the 'correct and proper' is the only option ever presented. If they don't agree to 'correct and proper' then nothing happens. I refuse to endure the pain and misery of a 'quick and dirty' if the only tangible benefit is to make my boss richer. Heck, ESPECIALLY if the only tangible benefit is to make my boss richer, because the expectation is that 'quick and dirty' can and will be done every time, they (he) will pocket the profits, and I will stuck with the headache, pain and misery of managing and maintaining that 'quick and dirty' mistake for eternity.
How does something that inane get marked as 'FUNNY'.
Funny should make me laugh, not roll my eyes...
I've seen netware servers with uptime over five years and groupwise servers over three....
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I just can NOT get over the idea that there are people out there claiming to reboot a server 3 - 4 times day. How about maybe someone get off their ass and do their fucking job and FIND THE PROBLEM AND FIX IT. Rebooting is not fixing. There is OBVIOUSLY a hardware issue or a config issue. If someone has servers taking a giant shit three times a day, how the fuck do you: 1. Stay employed and 2. have time to bother with
Yeah, when Windows NT came out it was this big buzz. You can share files AND run server applications. WOW! said the CIOs.
Which was always frustating since Netware, even 3.12, functioned great as an email and database server. The problem was NOT that Netware could not function as a database server. Or that Windows was faster in any way. The problem was that I have NEVER actually met someone that writes NLMs, but every junior high kid with a PC can (and does, which explains the quality sometimes) write windows applications. There were just so many more applications available for Windows, good or not didn't matter, they were there.
That's just stupid. I ran a Netware 3.12 box as a an IP and IPX router for four LANs almost 10 years ago. It was flawless. And this was on a high volume, 500 user, file and print server.
Maybe the problem was not the OS....
My experience is...
12 years ago on Netware 3.x, you're correct. Any abend killed the entire server. Today, that's not the case.
Another issue, my experience in Netware environmetns is that several services would be offered by a single server, something that just doesn't happen in the Windows world. 10 Years of Windows Admin and I see it ALL THE TIME. New service for the network, means a new server. So if a single application crashes, does it impact other services? No, because those other services are on different servers. That explains 90% of the Windows environments I've seen. A serious application fault in Windows is a BSOD. Tell me again how you recover gracefully from that without interupting any service other than the single offender?
But thats only a part of what a NOS does. Consider Groupwise, ZenWorks and other products inherent to a Novell network and you'll quickly realize that there is nothing near as mature on Linux right now. (note: Ximian just recently put out Enterprise Red Carpet, which I haven't evaluated.)
And the problem in a Novell environment like that, from what I have seen, is that Groupwise, ZenWorks and other Novell products are rarely implemented properly. You can't fault Novell for that, but it seems to be a recurring problem in Novell sites that I see. The common answer people toss out when that happens is to change the operating environment, but changing from Netware to Windows to Linux to BSD to whateverOSandauthenticationsystemyouwant doesn't fix poor admin practices...
regret to inform you then that NDS/eDirectory is LDAP.
Ok...then defend that one cheif...it just doesn't work...
If only they will get rid of that Java console that runs on the server (like a server needs a gui), they will be much better off.
Don't load it. Do you load up a GUI console on your Linux servers? Probably not, because you don't have to. You don't HAVE to load the GUI console on a Netware Server either. And you shouldn't, the thing is god awful...
If Novell can make NDS work in this newer context then companies will buy that product.
You mean the wan CNN.com uses NDS eDirectory to manage all their subscribers worldwide?
The product should be reasonably robust out of the box. If you need to be a Grand Wizard of VMS, it rather defeats much of the point of an OS's niftiness.
Ok, so you've made your point that Linux and BSD aren't viable. Thanks. Really, has anyone EVER actually taken an 'out of the box' installation of Linux or BSD and used it as a production file/print/db/messaging server? No, they haven't. At least not if they have the SLIGHTEST CLUE what they are doing..
Now what every one needs to do is shutup, and go check out CERTS and tell me which OS has had fewer critical bugs found in the last five years. Linux or Netware. Yep, that's right, it's Netware. Heaven forbid you use something that actually work.
Netware. The OS that anyone with an IQ over 50 (which eliminates 90% of the worlds sys admins) could install and manage. You know why over zealous (and ignorant) techies don't love Netware? Because it actually works. You do your legwork up front, install and configure, then walk off and don't touch it for five years. Linux crackheads want something they can fingerbang twice a week, so a Linux server works...
Yeah, I've only being hearing wit and rhetoric like that for a decade or so now... Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong...
All the companies selling nothing but linux distro's will die long before Novell.
I regret to inform you that you have made it PAINFULLY obvious that you have no clue when it comes to directory services, and you probably should not take part in discussions that are so far over your head.
Why does it matter if MS is marketing the OS to stupid people that have to buy every upgrade. The point is the same, and quite valid, the difference between, for example, 2000 Professional and XP Professional is minimal, and hardly worth the cost of upgrade. I don't know ANYONE that is actually dumb enough to go out and replace their existing 2k desktops with XP desktops. Of course the new purchases are XP, but the existing 2k desktops will stay as is until the PC's EOL comes about. And that just backs up the point, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two...
This is definately old news. Some bad re-hash going on here....
I can only hope he is right.
That the 'Hollywood' machine will be shut down in three years. And much like the RIAA, they will come up with a million excuses, and a million people to blame, other than themselves.
So long as they continue to make horrible movies with huge cost over runs, and then market them down your throat, they have no one to blame but themselves.
And they've done quite well pushing DVD in the home market as it is. They thought it was a great idea, to release the film to cinema and have you pay to see it once or twice there. Then release it to VHS/DVD so you could pay to rent it once or twice, then pay to buy it. Of course you will want to buy it because there are special directors cut, unreleased footage, stupid starlet naked scenes in the home DVD. Then a year after you purchase that, they will release another special letterbox edition with even more missing scenes, blah blah blah.
The good news of course is that people are finally getting smart enough to skip out on the cinema experience, since it has become an expensive and unpleasant one. I saw two movies at the cinema in the last year. Lord of The Rings and Attack Of The Clones. One of those was actually a pleasant experience, because it was a great movie. The other was a prime example of how Hollywood has no one to blame but themselves. Ripping off the past is not the path to a bright future.
Not for profit companies that have nothing to sell to the aerospace or drug industries.
Keep your nationalist ferver to yourself; this is a thinking man's board.
Since when did mindless conspiracy babbling BS constitute thinking?
Oh, thats right. Never. Except in the land of some mindless slashdotter...