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  1. Re:Take a hard look on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    Spurious? Well, I admit I was thinking about it, but I haven't bought a horse yet, so getting spurious is a little ahead of the game. Shoot, don't even have the raht boots yet....

  2. Re:I call shenanigans! on Microsoft Pockets Patent for Encouraging TV Viewing · · Score: 1

    One Step Beyond, Outer Limits, Kraft Mystery Theater, the Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock, TOS (natch), The Prisoner(double natch)...

    and on the funny mindless drivel side, amos n andy, lil rascals, abbot and costello, laurel and hardy, the honeymooners, three stooges, candid camera....

    Some TV is funny now, but it's all cartoons near as I can see. The only alternative to cartoons "real" comedy I have seen that I appreciate are both of the Drew Carey shows (are they still even on?)

  3. bet he does.... on Democratic Convention Computer Security Threat? · · Score: 1

    Think about it, Linux is the up and coming main competitor to windows. Don't you think a guy with an ego/business sense like gates wouldn't want to *personally* see what linux is capable of? I bet he has a few linux boxes and distros kicking around, just to stare at, think a bit, then bark orders to his serfs about.

  4. there's at least one good reason..... on Democratic Convention Computer Security Threat? · · Score: 1

    ... to actually vote your candidate of choice, especially if they are not projected to "win" per se, and that is to contribute to the furtherence of theo\ir party, election after election. This is because of federal matching funds, which are voluntary check offs of three dollars on everyones income tax. According to the site, candidates are eligible for matching funds once they have crossed a threshold of receiving 5,000$ from individial contributions of 250$ a head in at least 20 states. This helps those candidates and parties to continue to grow, should the candidate/party choose to apply for the funds. I see nothing wrong with it, as it's the only voluntary tax we really have, and it can go to your alternative candidate, if they can cross that threshold. Frankly I think it should go to anyone who makes it to the ballot, but that's for another time. Believe it, the R andD guys always take these funds, so there's no reason to deny your third party alternative candidate the same opportunity, who knows, as the kitty builds up maybe they can become a very credible force. Continually voting for the same old tired party combo that you KNOW will always give you the same exact crap we have had for multiple generations now is a sure fire way to keep getting the same exact crap for the next several generations.

    Of course, who knows with blackbox voting any more, but at least the alternative candidates can keep getting additional funding.

  5. punish what is really responsible on Consumer Database Company Hacked Again · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Better idea. If a company gets cracked say three times, then make it the same deal individuals get in our society, most places three felonies, you get a huge jail time, as a career rerecidivist criminal and societal lamer. If a corporation gets busted for malfeasance or gets cracked three times,any combination, then they should get the same, which in their cases would be loss of incorporation priveleges, and to HECK with the stock holders, it's a gamble, they need to have that drilled in daily it appears. Stockholders only appear to be interested in profits as well, there's a large lack of interest in honesty and efficiency with them in general terms. Make these companies lose their corporate charter, stock holders go bust, end of story, maybe correct business decisions will sink in beyond this quarters profits. These people want a capitalist solution, here's one, you aren't guaranteed profits, you are only guranteed a chance to be honest and effective. Not just effective, not just honest, both. either one you fail it, then you fail it. If you are bogus and ineffective, the government, which is supposed to be "we the people", who GRANTS the charters, gets to take them away. There is no automatic guaranteed "right" to incorporation anyplace, it's a privelege granted by the people. This removal of bogus corporations doesn't happen near enough from my POV. Corporations, if you look back in history were granted to both benefit the corporation (and the humans connected to it) as to profits, and also to be of a general public benefit. Unlike the pure lie you see repeated by corporate apologists who keep claiming corporations are "only" for making money. They love to say that, but it's not true, they just wish it was and act like it was, and for too long it has been that way in practice, but it's well past time to go back and revisit the realities of a granted incorporation. If they fail to make a profit they eventually go under,that part still exists with "the market place", but we have lost and forgotten about the other deal, if they fail to be of public benefit. They should be dissolved, and getting hacked multiple times and having innocent peoples data compromised should go right up the responsibility chain to whichever corporation is responsible, along with the humans involved, who should then be prohibited to serve in any official capacity inside a corporation for x-amount of years, a significant long time..

    I'd like to see it anyway, get that "responsibile for your actions" deal back into common knowledge and practice.

  6. Look up the news media economic food chain on Joe Trippi Interviewed · · Score: 1

    All you have to do is keep looking up the ownership and control economic food chain with the various very large broadcast and print media, and you can see there is one (1) globalist corporate "party". They always make sure their guy, the puppet, gets in, and it doesn't matter if it's a D or R, the globalist transnational corporate party always "wins". And now that they have almost total remote control hacking ability over the vote, they don't have to sweat the explosion in third party and independent/alternative candidate interest, even with the internet, because they control the count, they control who gets "picked" to allegedly "run" in the biannual political melodrama. It's beyond ludicrous now. They have the ability to have any vote "count" being pushed as "true facts" and no one would know any better except the people doing the count, and they won't be telling obviously. And they are masters at keeping the population dumbed down, brainwashed and split into the phony left/right D & R paradigm. Remember, the broadcast and print media are also the primary users of sophisticated advertising, they know what works and what doesn't work to get people to do things using sound and images.that's their job, and they have been successful at it for generations.

    I feel kinda sorry for the dean people,well meaning as they were they just didn't "get it". The PTB will "allow" the illusion of choice, and let various candidates run-for awhile, but they are never going to allow anyone who isn't a hand picked puppet of the globalist goons to actually "take office" anyplace very important in the federal government, especially in the executive branch, which anyone can see now is where the real power is. checks and alleged balances are long gone. No dictatorial government has ever "voted" itself back to any sort of true freedom or representative democracy or anything like that. Once it gets to the point that virtually everything in any random government xyz is corrupt and rigged, then there's only one way those governments ever "change". Anyone may look to history books to see how that works out.

    Sucks, but that's the way it is.

  7. Re:Take a hard look on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    Thank you so much. We need more words, to eliminate apostrophes. And what's the deal with phonetics, shouldn't it be fonetix?

  8. Re:are there any out there now in the ....... on FAA Approves Sport Pilot License · · Score: 1

    ahh, too bad for you then. That's a whopper amount of money. Shame about the 150 though, I bet if it was included I could talk my boss into letting me use one of his, they are just sitting around here, never get used. I checked on that reproduction spotter plane yesterday, it's a 150 as well, made into a tail dragger and a reproduction "army" paint job. Anyway, you still can look around and get one of the sport planes and have something to fly, although like you said, they will probably shoot up in price quickly from the ruling.

    Hey, cool story. My girlfriends dad is an old ww2 bomber pilot, he's always flown since then, he's got to be in his 80's now and still in good shape and keeps his license, etc. He got a law degree after the war, so he's always made some decent loot. Some years ago, he went to one of those "seized by US marshalls" auctions like you see ads for "luxury cars for 50$!" like that. Anyway, he goes and bids on a seized plane used for smuggling and got it,and he got a cessna 210 for 50 grand, which I *think* is a pretty good deal.

    Are there any pilot owned insurance companies? Seems like a way to dodge the high fees, having shared risk, maybe even do it as a not for profit org. Where to keep it parked, no idea other than buying your own pasture, live rural, or do a co-op strip. I watch them here sometimes, they really don't need a very long distance to take off and land. The whole strip is maybe, hmm, I mow but this distance exactly is unknown to me, it's really larger than what is needed for normal single engine planes, it will take up to small cargo twin engine planes,maybe larger, I've never seen anything need the entire strip, I know a DC3 was used here in the past and like barons and aztecs have plenty of room. I'd say the single engine jobbers at best only use 1/2 if that the runway so call it 1/3 of a mile long, the whole strip is double that easy, maybe longer. I might be off a little there, but it's around that. I'll have to ask exactly how long it is, now I want to know.

    Goofiest looking plane I saw here was defintley inside that sport class. It looked like a normal plane but with just a skeleton frame, but a fully enclosed two seater cockpit. It was a pusher engine type, over head and to the rear of the cockpit. It was a lot more "normal" looking than powered hang glider type craft, actually looked useful.

  9. zombies with no zombie masters on British Authorities Nail Online Blackmailers · · Score: 1

    so, who "owns" the zombies now? Or are they just sitting there infected and someone else might find them and take them over? Is government sitting on them for some reason? Have all the 30,000 innocent victims from that direction been notified and gotten their machines cleaned up? Is anyone working on that probably tedious and daunting task?

    Ya, I know, a lot of questions, still, they are obvious to be asked at this point.

  10. Re:they haven't been on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    Yes, been aware of their efforts for some time now. I wish them a lotta luck and much better skill in their efforts. I wasn't real thrilled with their state selection, but all in all it's a decent concept and effort.

  11. what is the equivalent of.... on Hawking Gracefully, Formally Loses Black Hole Bet · · Score: 1

    .... the US "louisville slugger" baseball bat in cricket-dom? Might need that bit of trivia in another post someday..or on Jeopardy...or something

    thankee kindly

  12. Re:they haven't been on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    That's the guy, rep from colorado, I got his first name wrong. Too many of them, they all look alike... heh

    And like you said, he's still pretty close to bush,except on a few issues like illegal immigration, which is why I said there were only a few, and even then it's mostly dismal. I am amazed Ron Paul is even in the house, poor guy, pretty smart and fair, and gets almost completely ignored all the time.

    I don't hold out much hope at all at the federal level, best we can maybe expect is some state gets both a hip constitutional governor and a majority in his legisdlature to go along with it if they see he is serious about it. Then maybe we might see a snowball effect.

  13. HAHAHAHAHA on Ariane Launches A New Way To Get Online · · Score: 1

    Oh man, I HEAR ya. that would be schweet! fun too! but alas alack and alorn, I'm stuck on a pretty good one right now, a maple that got cut down a long time ago, then re grew huge as a lot of smaller trunks. $^&**^%$% It's too steep to get a backhoe in their safely,well, I ain't gonna try it, put it that way, so I can dig or dig it out. I'm at about 6 hours now on just that one stump, I go over every morning when it's cool and workout on it till I get tuckered out, then just go do some other chores. the dogs come sit in the shade and watch me, I KNOW they are thinking "monkey boy is sure a lamer, ain't he?" HAHAHAHA!

    Most of the smaller ones I got out already, just a few whoppers to go on that particular hill. Chores you never run out of,so I just rotate around. There's no giant rush, it's just in the way where I like to be able to mow with a 4wd machine, that's all, I make stuff "pretty" as I work. I'm gradually turning the place into more of a park than a jungle. This place got neglected about 15 years so there's a few miles of fenceline to re-clear, various road frontage, etc, I got plenty of areas to work on.. I'm down past the third layer of roots on that maple and I have REALLY though about a diesel and fertiliser solution, but I think I'd get the heat come down on me quickly if there was a huge KABOOM and chunks 0 maple went all over this side of the county. If it was much further out in the sticks and no neighbors right there, I would do it,maybe, but the hill is directly across the road from the local neighborhood busybody.

    It is a thought though. Coulda done it at night on the fourth and blamed it on "rambunctious vandalising youths" or something "why them kids came and done blowed that stump clean outta the durn ground! The nerve of 'em!"........ heh heh heh

  14. Re:Take a hard look on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    Welfare at a lower level to avoid serious civil disturbances was vastly increased in the 60's. Make no mistake about it, it was a pure payoff to avoid a lot of nastiness. And medicare, -caid and social security are all ponzi schemes, they are absolutely unsustainable with our current demographics and economic system based on created perpetual debt. Along with the abuses of the military/industrial complex, we have abuses from the medical/pharmecuetical monopolist complex, as well as the perpetual blackmailwe are paying to a 5th generation non working class who are now being played off a totally illegal class of border jumpers. It's a big expensive mess anyway you look at it, and most of it is corrupt, wasteful and not really needed , IMO.

    Not saying health care and retirement money isn't needed or important, on the contrary they certainly are, but skimming off 50% of it just to shuffle the paperwork on it is silly,and just that those sytems will never work in the long run, you *cannot* make the numbers work with any rational extrapolation given proven demographics and expected demographics.

    Basically, I think the federal government is about 90% oversized, and if it was shrunk aback down to it's lawful and realistic levels, and if we had proper nationalistic taxing schemes based on reciprocal quid pro quo tariffs, and lose the illegal "income" tax, and instead of government as a tool of some transnational corporations and a few loud sub demographic populations, we'd all be a lot better off and wealthier and be able to afford a little more of everything, including health care and retirement plans. A nation has by far it's best over all experience by creating the largest middle class it can, not by subsidising the creation of a very small extremely top heavy class then a lot of serfs below that tied to various doles of some sort or another. That just will not work out for any length of time.

  15. I am neutral in this on UK High Court Rules Modchips Illegal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really am, just was commenting on the obvious legal hypocrisy with automobiles. I will also ramble here and there some, as I have a brain that apparently works that way....

    I wasn't commenting on the modchips per se, I was commenting on the fact that cars are *definelty* sold with the expectations that at least some times the laws will be broken with them. It is 100% undeniable true stuff facts data. and I will repeat, they COULD sell cars that absolutely could not exceed the speed limit, yet they don't, that is pure evidence to show they know that cars WILL be used illegally, at least some of the time. they could mandate a totally legal car, they could make a mandated legal car, yet they do not. there is a reason for it, and that reason is the expectation and casual acception of illegal use of the car, along with legal use.

    And it's similar to the modchips if you really want to ask me directly on the subject, not all games played on modded consoles are illegal, just some of them some of the time. Just like some times people drive cars legally, and sometimes they don't. It's one of those deals where the laws are so lame that almost everyone ignores them. I see it similar to these games. I can see wrongness and rightness to it, from both points of view, so that pushes me into a neutrality stance.

    And BTW, I don't game, own a console, download MP3s or movies,etc, never have. I'm not a hypocrite about it. I have paid for shareware in the past and actually deleted it if it had a time out period and I really didn'twant it. I'm just a freeking square boy sprout when it comes to such matters, but I also can see when a law is so stupid it will get broken because of it's stupid-ness. I just call em like I see 'em. Similar to what I see happened to the music and movie guys, I have watched them over the years cry crocodile tears over their hundreds of zillions in profits, and every generation of technology is going to "destroy" them they declare, and periodically they get busted for industry collusion and price fixing, but that's about it, so I don't mind seeing them boys get borrowed from with cheap-to-make-copies. They coulda long ago come out with the one or two collar cd and made more money then they make now, but they are so greedy they don't understand this. They don't understand people didn't want to buy an unlistened to pig in a poke, or just this weeks top 40 that they create and push. they don't get it, never got it, and won't ever get it, too greedy, greed lead to insanity, they are stuck rthere. No law says a rich person can't be insane, is there? that's what happens to people who get greedy, they have gone *insane* and they then go on to make other stupid decisions based around their insanity, Political leaders get afflicted with advanced megalomania. Industries get it when it comes to dominance and "making money".

    So..when it became easy to do, either modding or copying or whatever, people just did it themselves. I think they broke their trust and ethical and moral high ground a LONG time ago. I don't take their stuff,or buy their stuff, but I feel the same way about them if the hells angels stole something from the devils disciples-ehh, so what, who cares?

    I don't believe in IP patents, none whatsoever. If it isn't a tangible,and built,at least a good to scale working model, no patent. That's my idea of a real product worth patenting. One of the dumbest things ever foisted on the US consumer and business world, and ESPECIALLY allowing a so called "product" to be sold with no warranty, excuse me, "licensed to use" with no warranty, is the patenting of intangibles. Hideously lame. Wicked stupid. harmful in the short, medium and long terms for advancing the useful arts and sciences. It's a congame and a scam, and as such, I think it's a fair play to scam them back if they insist on it..but not for me. I just ignore them, boycott, same as I do with overpriced hollywood tripe, "games", and whatever they claim is music. I got better things to do.

  16. indeed on UK High Court Rules Modchips Illegal · · Score: 1

    Same as they are with a variety of unneeded laws, like DUI. There isn't a single crime associated with DUI that wasn't covered previous to those laws themselves, they just added another one because it's incredibly lucrative. Drug laws are another. Those are even MORE incredibly lucrative, there's a huge multi billion dollar business in keeping drugs illegal and very expensive. Selling "permits" for what are supposed to be born with "rights".

    Government is in itself a self perpetuating growth industry, and the only one "allowed" to have armed enforcers to "make it so".

    Notice in voting we never have an option for "none of the above, un-needed, not wanted"

  17. not so great depression on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    --the great (scam) depression devastated people who bought into the "irrational exuberience" something-for-nothing greed mindset in the stock market, and who went along with government confiscation of gold money, and turned theirs in for worthless paper script. Yep, they got screwed, and bad. Those who could read between the lines back then and realised they were being sold a scam bill of goods and declined the offer and held onto their real money and property did fairly well during the depression and after. Millions of more or less innocents, naieve but innocent, who did neither but just tried to ride it out with no plans whatsoever got hurt as well, that's what happens to people who don't pay attention. Just is is all.

    Gonna happen again, too, right on schedule. Every generation gets fleeced by the globalists, been going on a long time now.

  18. they haven't been on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    the republicans have never been "taken over by the religious right", except rhetorically, it's what the controlled news media and the two partys want you to believe.

    The eastern liberal/socialist/globalist wing of the republican party took over during the goldwater runup in 64. They actively sabotaged his candidacy. These folks we used to call "rockefeller republicans". Now they are called "neocons". The real old fashioned Republicans are now called "paleocons". They are not in power at this time, but they still exist. There are some Christians who support bush, too many IMO, but they are used as "useful idiots" by the real powers behind the scenes. There hasn't been a powerful true conservative wing in the party at a national level since way way back. Don't mistake globalist imperialists and outright traitros and liars for real old fashioned honest conservatives,who traditionaly were non interventionist, fiscally conservative,who really wanted smaller and less intrusive government, more freedoms, etc. That went the way of the dodo. Two completely different critters there. Modern era Libertarians come a lot closer than what passes for a Republican nowadays as to spirit and philosophy. You can still find a lot of real conservative (and extremely frustrated now)republicans at local levels, but once you hit state level or above, nope. Rep Ron Paul and a few more, then that's it. Helen chenowith was another one, but she's left office now, as she promised. Dan Tancredo comes closer than most. but the bulk of them, nope, neocons, they just usurped the party and it's philosphies and changed them radically by the mid 60's. It was a bitter no holds barred no rules power struggle.

    I know because that's the era I started working politics, and was working in that campaign as an AuH2O volunteer, and I SAW the coup d'tat that occurred then. They sabotaged their own party to get LBJ in, so that he could take the heat for nam and the borked budget and deal with the huge race problem back then,so later they could get their boy NoxoN in, so then they could pull off their huge corporate expansions and scams, which they did, and which continues to this day.

    BTW, shrubya has had two public opportunities to repudiate attending bohemian grove and to repudiate skull and bones membership, which he has declined to do. That's not something a real Christian would do. Real Christians would not don robes and prance around a 40 foot stone owl idol and engage in mock human sacrafice, nor would they lie in a coffin or drink out of skulls, or anything scumbaggy nonsense like that. Now I don't have any idea why a lot of cluless Christians support him, other than they are brainwashed, and so much wanted someone-anyone really- decent and with at least a modicum of morals and of the faith after the clinton years. Back before the election peole said "well, I'll vote for bush but hold my nose and then we'll hold his feet to the fire", but it didn't happen. they let him get away with crap like ignoring the huge illegal immigration issue, leaving so many gun laws on the books, not dealing with the trade imbalances and loss of jobs, etc. They chickened out for one and found out they are helpless to really do anything, they got suckered in other words. They are more grasping at straws right now then really thinking through things is as near as I can explain it. A lot of Christians I know personally detest Bush and the turncoat leadership in the R party, and vote Libertarian or Reform or Constitution Party or America First party, etc, they no longer vote capital R, or D for that matter. A lot of them no longer vote period, because they know as of the 2000 vote it's totally and completely hijacked, and they just want out of supporting "the system" in any way.

  19. Re:Take a hard look on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    don't forget the "great society", that massively increased the size and scope of welfare in the nation. It was a LOT of money. That was the "butter" part of the "guns and butter" budgets back then. We had 'nam, great society, AND the moon race. We could have afforded one of them, not all three. We've never recovered from it either, IMO. The space program was (always has been really) partly under the "guns" part of the budget obviously, even though they call it civilian, as we had to beat the russians to the high ground.

  20. question on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    Is that big moon rocket that's laying on it's side still there? Hope so, got fond memories of it. I was visiting that tourist space deal there in huntsville, and I just snuck into that thing from the exhaust end, walked through it, and got inside the capsule at the other end. Too funny! I had to do it,it is part of the true geek credo when presented with an opportunity like that. Harrr-ummph! Anyway, from what I remember, it was semi intact, half the gauges and electronic doo dads were still in it. They had a hokey astronaut suit/helmet attached to the outside like it was a human doing an EVA, it was stuffed with handi wipes to fill it out! Yep, I got one,I call it "the space wipe"!

  21. don't feel left out just disappointed on Congress Cuts NASA's Budget On Apollo Anniversary · · Score: 1

    The funding is there, just it's not allocated. the money exists, it just goes for other things We have a trillion dollar plus economy, just a collective "we" don't want to spend it on space too much. That's either from the government side, or private side. People want government give aways,either for their stock portfolio and corporations, or for themselves on an immediate level in the form of more government entitlement services. People want big screen TVs, DVD players skiboats,vacations, and lesser expensive trivialy stupid things like entertainments such as sitcoms on TV, movies, games and sports. Intellectual and exploratory pursuits are extremely low on most people's radar screens of interest. Heck, just beer has always had a higher interest for 99% of humanity in the states. The space program gets what it gets and it's an incredible amount compared to most people's interests. If it wasn't mandated and taken from taxes, I doubt NASA would get even a small fraction of what it does now.

    Space is gradualy being turned back over to the military, which is what they have always wanted anyway. For those uses, the money will be there, by the bucket full. For other uses, people in the private sector need to belly up to the bar and throw their cash down, same as they do for those other pursuits I mentioned. If they won't, then no space stuff, it's really that simple. I don't like it, hardly anyone here likes it, but that's the way it is.

    I remember going outside and trying to see sputnik. People were amazed and scared at the same time. the government pushed that amazement and fear to get the cold war going stronger. I never could see sputnik, but I *did* see echo, with binoculars. Ever since I thought it was neat, but neat doesn't translate into money, and money half wasted all the time never gets added to. That's what happened to NASA, bad design, yearly budget fights, 1/2 the cash always wasted, massive department of redundancy departments, and always the red headed step child of the stealth military budget anyway. Now, they just want to get away from any pretense that from the governments POV space is military, period, anything else, they want the private sector to pay for. That's why our best bet is things like the x prise, and maybe a super x prise, 10 billion for a moon landing maybe, something like that. Maybe they could do a super lottery, half the money to number winners, the other half to go to the prise money for a super x prise competition. That might get the cash flowing, I know I'd buy some tickets. I buy one a week that goes to the public schools here, I could easily switch to a couple a week if it went to a super x prise. I would "wager" millions might go for that, americans like to gamble, no matter how rich or penny ante it is. Besides that, I have no idea how something that massive could be funded when there is no immediate profitable payback for any venture capitalists. There just aren't that many philanthropists who could or would fund such a venture. You might get a few million,. but billions? Not happening.

  22. Yes they are on UK High Court Rules Modchips Illegal · · Score: 1

    --how many cars are advertised as obviously being capable of being driven faster than the top legal speed limit any place in the US, and capable of driving to endanger, like 4 wheel drifts around corners? Nearly all the sedans that I see commercials for, that's which ones.

    Hardly ANYONE doesn't speed. EVERYONE knows this. Government knows this, the car companies know this. They would have an *incredibly* difficult time selling any car that had a speed governor on it that limited it to 70mph top speed, and they areperfectly able to build such a car right this second and try to sell it. And the reason is, they know people want to speed on occassion, which is breaking the law. They know it, consumers know it, cops know it, judges know it, everyone knows it. It's sold to satisfy that urge and perceived need.

  23. Re:how would this NOT apply.... on Microsoft, Apple Sued Over Software Update Patent · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm on FC2 right now, and down in the bottom right hand corner is a glowing red button with an exclamation point in it, and hovering my mouse over it, it says I have 1 update available. All you have to do then is mash that button and a few clicks later you get your update downloading and installing. It came automatically installed with the distro install, and as soon as I was online it started working, all automatic. Seems fairly similar as much as I can decipher what they claim in the patent. Whether or not it's *exactly* like what they claim and would be infringing I guess would have to be determined legally with a judge and jury, because that's all that counts, obvious prior art and obviousness discussed on slashdot is a moot point, although fun and interesting, else all of us wouldn't be doing it.. If the patent gets upheld, I wouldn't bet against it being classed as an infringment though.... And if microsoft and apple and the other "unnnamed software vendors" mentioned in the article start settling, I bet we'll see some changes to the detriment in linux land shortly thereafter as it applies to software packaging and the various way to automate updating. Just a guess though... the only thing I have to go on is COURT "prior art", which usually seems to almost always be in favor of ridiculous patents and IP ownership, no matter how screwy it looks to joe computer user around these parts.

  24. Re:how would this NOT apply.... on Microsoft, Apple Sued Over Software Update Patent · · Score: 1

    I agree, seems overly vague, lame and retarded, BUT, they got a patent on it, didn't they? That's the real bottom line in all these patent stories it seems, no matter how obvious or how much prior art, the default seems to be to just go ahead, grant the patent.

  25. Re:how would this NOT apply.... on Microsoft, Apple Sued Over Software Update Patent · · Score: 1

    Hey, no problems! Anything you say! Tell you what, put your bottom line cash where your posting is, you offer a billion dollar guaranteed warranty insurance to apple and microsoft and anyone else who might be a target. You provide the insurance so if they lose in court you'll pay. You can pick up some hefty free coin for very little work obviously, and apple and microsoft will be greatful for the piece of mind at low cost to them. Plus, you can post a nice story later on on slashdot and get all sorts of geekcred in how you did it!

    I have no idea how this would shake out in court, and neither do you unless you are psychic. Best anyone here can do is just talk about it. We've seen a lot of apparently ridiculous patents with obvious prior art get upheld, and be not successfully challenged. But... go ahead, offer your insurance based on studying everything but the abstract, prove your point plus make serious cash! What's not to like? I humbly await education on how to deal with ridiculous patents, and will consume much crow pie when you do it! I bow to your 1337 patent 5ki115!!