I also build and test the latest Firefox from mozilla-central Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090222 Minefield/3.2a1pre ID:20090222175127 Haven't updated it since yesterday.
But I live in seamonkey/suiterunner Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090220 SeaMonkey/2.0b1pre ID:20090220100720 Been doing job applications so 2 days out of date and pays not to break your main connection tool when you need to be connected.
For some stuff (latest gecko bits, svg, etc0, testing, privacy and mind numbing speed (I do a PGO ff build) - firefox maybe.
But seamonkey is good, reasonably fast, stable and can take a beating. And I don't even use it for email - except to get to my yahoo mail account.
PGO not yet turned on for linux releases, not even for trunk hourlies/nightlies yet. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418866 Some work now happening (at a guess the back and forth between BZ and I above has got some prompting done - BZ has links/is inside mozilla somewhere.
PGO is when you run the instrumented program first, take the results and optimize againt the used code paths
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=29 You can find some 64 bit builds (search for Autofox) and a pgo build or two maybe - (search for Ted's builds). Note it does say 3rd party - not official mozilla releases.
Due to some ancient history I am one of the ones that test latest builds and so I know some of the history and a bit of may way around. I am also tqft at forums.mozillazine.org if you ask a question over there and I answer.
I tried to find a better bug - meta or tracking bug - without luck yet.
PGO is enabled in the trunk versions - not yet in the release versions, it does compile and run. Finished compiling a short while ago (an hour or so) as I type.
Ted M gave up pushing for pgo on linux after a while - trying to get it done without much help I think was the problem.
"On the other hand, the Windows build was faster even without PGO enabled on Windows." I believe you. You seem to have done the research and it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I have seen a reason for it somewhere but can't remember what or where though.
PGO on linux will help. People also not writing sucky js for websites (slashdot comes to mind) would perhaps help more.
And static linking will not work on firefox - the UI dfepends on XUL which is diabled if you enable static (but I think you know this already).
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Configuring_Build_Options ac_add_options --enable-libxul (default)
Builds the core gecko components as a single library called libxul. This improves startup and runtime performance by reducing the number of relocations performed.
ac_add_options --enable-static --disable-libxul
These options build a larger single executable, which has components linked statically. --enable-static requires --disable-libxul. If you use --enable-static, it is recommended that you also --disable-tests. This option is not recommended for Firefox. It still exists only for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey which cannot yet build in the libxul configuration.
[v2+ of seamonkey uses XUL so enabling static seamonkey will no longer be an option for new versions].
Most of the current performance focus seems to be on js (TraceMonkey). Though Gecko 1.9+ did include significant speed ups. I am don't know if this is the best - but that is what is happening. However, performance regressions when noticed do get attention. But I only watch the ff trunk build threads and seamonkey v2+ stuff closely - so anything with current ff is beyond my knowledge.
"A pretty amazing piece of JavaScript dropped yesterday and it's going to take a little bit to digest it all. It's a GreaseMonkey script, written by 'ShaunF', that automatically solves captchas provided by the site Megaupload. There's a demo online if you wish to give it a spin."
Fairly basic (the captcha's) but as a proof of concept piece of code it is interesting.
Actually my interest is not in using the chip in a "Trusted" state but whether I can use it for some related calculations
Basically if it has at least a few big hardware registers and some appropriate and fast enough hardwired crypto functions then I can maybe cut lots of time on some calcs I want to do.
Don't worry I am not try to do the improbable and I don't have a magic factoring algorithm to test,
"out a way of forcing down patches, and figuring out what the effect of those patches will be, de-conflicting their effects, and having them applied. "
I for one want to test to see if my machine has a tpm chip (suspect so) and unlock it to use the capabilities to do some calculations can you point me towards some stuff to do that?
"You like Ubuntu and FOSS? Great! Help make it better."
I do - but it doesn't help when stuff regresses - Ubuntu broke - and hasn't yet fixed - some uvcvideo/webcam and bluetooth in the change from 8.04 to 8.10. Ubuntu changed the software (kernel patches, uvcvideo stuff and bits of bluez) for some reason and some stuff has broken.
Bugs are filed, devs questions answered, fix yet to appear.
I am yet to diagnose the intermittment problem with nuvexport, but I think it might be related to HD recordings and the version of ffmpeg vs nuvexport.
when I check my route to cryptome it goes via the middle of australia - the only thing there is Pine Gap, there also appear to be lots of data links in Virginia.
Nothing that a tracert command at the command prompt won't give you but the map is amusing.
No i was meta-modding and there were 5 or 6 out of 10 in the first lot that were your comments, and then another half dozen in the next lot of 10 (not above). Either you are posting a lot or someone has gone after you.
Mapping partitions is a pain - would it be ever so hard to integrate something that can write to fstab with gparted?
Also standard forum response to a hardware question is a request for a bunch of command output questions - lspci, (sudo) lshw, lsusb, lsmod - maybe a hardware diagnostic tool with that info available - sysinfo does some of it - but not the extra bits or option to produce a text file report
From this afternoons meta-mods - 6 out of 10 of you for me
Comment: Re:Don't take freedom for granted (Score 1) on 10:03 PM December 15th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 10:03 PM December 15th, 2008 (#26128367) Attached to: Wiretap Whistleblower, a Life in Limbo?
Comment: Re:What does it take with these people? (Score 1) on 07:07 PM November 18th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 07:07 PM November 18th, 2008 (#25810573) Attached to: Feds Can Locate Cell Phones Without Telcos
Comment: Re:Too many ads (Score 1) on 01:40 AM December 28th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 01:40 AM December 28th, 2008 (#26247315) Attached to: RIAA's Request For Appeal Denied In Thomas Case
Comment: Re:Professionally Signed (Score 1) on 10:27 AM November 29th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 10:27 AM November 29th, 2008 (#25924983) Attached to: Would You Add Easter Eggs To Software Produced At Work?
Comment: Re:Ummm... (Score 1) on 08:15 PM November 14th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 08:15 PM November 14th, 2008 (#25767527) Attached to: Internal Emails Released In Vista Capable Debacle
Comment: Re:Multiple lasers is the key (Score 1) on 11:03 AM November 15th, 2008 by ScrewMaster on 11:03 AM November 15th, 2008 (#25770761) Attached to: Northrop Grumman Markets Weaponized Laser System
by unlametheweak on 06:49 PM December 6th, 2008 (#26015967) Attached to: Clarifying the Next Step in Australia's Net-Censorship Scheme
Might be a while before that/those mod(s) get points again assuming I am typical of metamods.
Crazy. Thought something looked odd 6 of the 10 mm's were for one persons comments. Then I remembered you saying something about being subjected to drive by modding. No reason not to + them anyway. Maybe the "system" will catch up with them eventually.
The other/. story on the great aussie internet debacle test indirectly linked to the technical specs
"ISPs are invited to participate in the Pilot through two streams: 1. Index filtering only of the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) blacklist of prohibited URLs; or 2. The ACMA blacklist plus additional filtering e.g. more extensive index filtering through to dynamic filtering of other unwanted internet content and non web based applications."
Note the last phrase of item - "non web absed applications"
Link in summary - go to article & see the technical spec (pdf)
Item 2 The ACMA blacklist plus additional filtering e.g. more extensive index filtering through to dynamic filtering of other unwanted internet content and non web based applications.
Who would that thought that there is a shitload of stuff out there
Things you missed: a) Sturgeon's Law
b) a direct link to one of Seth's articles on a power law or unheard voices http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000745.html
c) the system you propose looks like Slashdot without an editor - K5?
d) economic theory on network effects which covers a lot of this ground
e) email me if you read this Bennett
You may also want to add government storing documents in proprietary formats, requiring special software/access to get or future FOI requests being answered with "cloud" enabled answers or limited use software (in the interests of efficiency & security of course), that do whatever they want to do.
Slashdot Mirror
I have Ubuntu installed so no IE.
Firefox whatever is standard.
I also build and test the latest Firefox from mozilla-central
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090222 Minefield/3.2a1pre ID:20090222175127
Haven't updated it since yesterday.
But I live in seamonkey/suiterunner
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090220 SeaMonkey/2.0b1pre ID:20090220100720
Been doing job applications so 2 days out of date and pays not to break your main connection tool when you need to be connected.
For some stuff (latest gecko bits, svg, etc0, testing, privacy and mind numbing speed (I do a PGO ff build) - firefox maybe.
But seamonkey is good, reasonably fast, stable and can take a beating. And I don't even use it for email - except to get to my yahoo mail account.
PGO not yet turned on for linux releases, not even for trunk hourlies/nightlies yet.
See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418866
Some work now happening (at a guess the back and forth between BZ and I above has got some prompting done - BZ has links/is inside mozilla somewhere.
PGO is when you run the instrumented program first, take the results and optimize againt the used code paths
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/pgo relevant bit of the tree
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=29
You can find some 64 bit builds (search for Autofox) and a pgo build or two maybe - (search for Ted's builds). Note it does say 3rd party - not official mozilla releases.
Due to some ancient history I am one of the ones that test latest builds and so I know some of the history and a bit of may way around. I am also tqft at forums.mozillazine.org if you ask a question over there and I answer.
For reference
turn on profile-guided optimization on fx-linux-tbox
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418866
Last comment May 2008.
I tried to find a better bug - meta or tracking bug - without luck yet.
PGO is enabled in the trunk versions - not yet in the release versions, it does compile and run. Finished compiling a short while ago (an hour or so) as I type.
Ted M gave up pushing for pgo on linux after a while - trying to get it done without much help I think was the problem.
"On the other hand, the Windows build was faster even without PGO enabled on Windows."
I believe you. You seem to have done the research and it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
I have seen a reason for it somewhere but can't remember what or where though.
PGO on linux will help.
People also not writing sucky js for websites (slashdot comes to mind) would perhaps help more.
And static linking will not work on firefox - the UI dfepends on XUL which is diabled if you enable static (but I think you know this already).
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Configuring_Build_Options
ac_add_options --enable-libxul (default)
Builds the core gecko components as a single library called libxul. This improves startup and runtime performance by reducing the number of relocations performed.
ac_add_options --enable-static --disable-libxul
These options build a larger single executable, which has components linked statically. --enable-static requires --disable-libxul. If you use --enable-static, it is recommended that you also --disable-tests. This option is not recommended for Firefox. It still exists only for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey which cannot yet build in the libxul configuration.
[v2+ of seamonkey uses XUL so enabling static seamonkey will no longer be an option for new versions].
Most of the current performance focus seems to be on js (TraceMonkey). Though Gecko 1.9+ did include significant speed ups. I am don't know if this is the best - but that is what is happening. However, performance regressions when noticed do get attention. But I only watch the ff trunk build threads and seamonkey v2+ stuff closely - so anything with current ff is beyond my knowledge.
Happy
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090216 SeaMonkey/2.0a3pre ID:20090216123246
user.
PS: session restore just hit seamonkey trunk so I can go crash happy and not lose my place too much.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1126185&cid=26840435
See here - did a test on sucky slashdot 2.0
Still sucks
Check the doco
Firefox 3.0 built for Windows was PGOed (Profile Guided Optimisation)
PGO was not yet enabled for linux builds
Try a newer build.
FAIL
The Newton?
Couldn't it heuristically interpret "pen" strokes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton
Not fingers but a "pen" and would guess at what to do when you hit something with the "pen"
Saw this yesterday my time
You might be interested:
http://ejohn.org/blog/ocr-and-neural-nets-in-javascript/
"A pretty amazing piece of JavaScript dropped yesterday and it's going to take a little bit to digest it all. It's a GreaseMonkey script, written by 'ShaunF', that automatically solves captchas provided by the site Megaupload. There's a demo online if you wish to give it a spin."
Fairly basic (the captcha's) but as a proof of concept piece of code it is interesting.
Actually my interest is not in using the chip in a "Trusted" state but whether I can use it for some related calculations
Basically if it has at least a few big hardware registers and some appropriate and fast enough hardwired crypto functions then I can maybe cut lots of time on some calcs I want to do.
Don't worry I am not try to do the improbable and I don't have a magic factoring algorithm to test,
In case anyone cares
tpm_tools is available in the ubuntu (intrepid at least repositories
and this post
https://www.grounation.org/index.php?2008/07/04/8-how-to-use-a-tpm-with-linux
also see http://sourceforge.net/projects/trousers and http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/tpm_version.1.html
No promises or guarantees of anything working or damage being done
Thanks.
But linux (ubuntu) only here at home.
Have asked over at ubuntuforums and see if I can turn anything up.
Might have found it
"out a way of forcing down patches, and figuring
out what the effect of those patches will be,
de-conflicting their effects, and having them
applied.
"
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bsa.org/resources/2002-03-16.99.pdf
In case http://www.mediafire.com/?aj093xoyjyw
I for one want to test to see if my machine has a tpm chip (suspect so) and unlock it to use the capabilities to do some calculations can you point me towards some stuff to do that?
"You like Ubuntu and FOSS? Great! Help make it better."
I do - but it doesn't help when stuff regresses - Ubuntu broke - and hasn't yet fixed - some uvcvideo/webcam and bluetooth in the change from 8.04 to 8.10. Ubuntu changed the software (kernel patches, uvcvideo stuff and bits of bluez) for some reason and some stuff has broken.
Bugs are filed, devs questions answered, fix yet to appear.
I am yet to diagnose the intermittment problem with nuvexport, but I think it might be related to HD recordings and the version of ffmpeg vs nuvexport.
For giggles:
Via cryptome.org
http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/visual-tracert/
when I check my route to cryptome it goes via the middle of australia - the only thing there is Pine Gap, there also appear to be lots of data links in Virginia.
Nothing that a tracert command at the command prompt won't give you but the map is amusing.
No i was meta-modding and there were 5 or 6 out of 10 in the first lot that were your comments, and then another half dozen in the next lot of 10 (not above). Either you are posting a lot or someone has gone after you.
Mapping partitions is a pain - would it be ever so hard to integrate something that can write to fstab with gparted?
Also standard forum response to a hardware question is a request for a bunch of command output questions - lspci, (sudo) lshw, lsusb, lsmod - maybe a hardware diagnostic tool with that info available - sysinfo does some of it - but not the extra bits or option to produce a text file report
You don't have a /. journal entry or email
From this afternoons meta-mods - 6 out of 10 of you for me
Comment: Re:Don't take freedom for granted (Score 1) on 10:03 PM December 15th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 10:03 PM December 15th, 2008 (#26128367)
Attached to: Wiretap Whistleblower, a Life in Limbo?
Comment: Re:What does it take with these people? (Score 1) on 07:07 PM November 18th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 07:07 PM November 18th, 2008 (#25810573)
Attached to: Feds Can Locate Cell Phones Without Telcos
Comment: Re:Too many ads (Score 1) on 01:40 AM December 28th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 01:40 AM December 28th, 2008 (#26247315)
Attached to: RIAA's Request For Appeal Denied In Thomas Case
Comment: Re:Professionally Signed (Score 1) on 10:27 AM November 29th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 10:27 AM November 29th, 2008 (#25924983)
Attached to: Would You Add Easter Eggs To Software Produced At Work?
Comment: Re:Ummm... (Score 1) on 08:15 PM November 14th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 08:15 PM November 14th, 2008 (#25767527)
Attached to: Internal Emails Released In Vista Capable Debacle
Comment: Re:Multiple lasers is the key (Score 1) on 11:03 AM November 15th, 2008
by ScrewMaster on 11:03 AM November 15th, 2008 (#25770761)
Attached to: Northrop Grumman Markets Weaponized Laser System
http://www.samanthaslopes.com/images/promo/promo02.jpg
Only cost 40K
From this mornings metamod:
Comment: Re:eww (Score 1) 2008-11-24 22:46
by unlametheweak on 10:46 PM November 24th, 2008 (#25881285)
Attached to: PETA Using Games To Spread Its Message
Comment: Re:Who broke the law? (Score 1) 2008-12-10 08:08
by unlametheweak on 08:08 AM December 10th, 2008 (#26058713)
Attached to: When Teachers Are Obstacles To Linux In Education
Comment: Re:RINO (Score 1) 2008-11-21 09:09
by unlametheweak on 09:09 AM November 21st, 2008 (#25844849)
Attached to: In a nutshell
Comment: Re:But think of the children (Score 1) 2008-12-10 03:08
by unlametheweak on 03:08 AM December 10th, 2008 (#26056781)
Attached to: IWF Backs Down On Wiki Censorship
Comment: Re:Seriously? (Oh, wait..."srsly omfg!!!") (Score 1) 2008-11-21 00:38
by unlametheweak on 12:38 AM November 21st, 2008 (#25842249)
Attached to: Study Recommends Online Gaming, Social Networking For Kids
Comment: Re:10,000 URLs? (Score 1) 2008-12-06 18:49
by unlametheweak on 06:49 PM December 6th, 2008 (#26015967)
Attached to: Clarifying the Next Step in Australia's Net-Censorship Scheme
Might be a while before that/those mod(s) get points again assuming I am typical of metamods.
Crazy. Thought something looked odd 6 of the 10 mm's were for one persons comments. Then I remembered you saying something about being subjected to drive by modding. No reason not to + them anyway. Maybe the "system" will catch up with them eventually.
Set the show at "The Captains Table"
The other /. story on the great aussie internet debacle test indirectly linked to the technical specs
"ISPs are invited to participate in the Pilot through two streams:
1.
Index filtering only of the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) blacklist of prohibited URLs; or
2.
The ACMA blacklist plus additional filtering e.g. more extensive index filtering through to dynamic filtering of other unwanted internet content and non web based applications."
Note the last phrase of item - "non web absed applications"
Link in summary - go to article & see the technical spec (pdf)
Item 2
The ACMA blacklist plus additional filtering e.g. more extensive index filtering through to dynamic filtering of other unwanted internet content and non web based applications.
Only http for you
Who would that thought that there is a shitload of stuff out there
Things you missed: a) Sturgeon's Law
b) a direct link to one of Seth's articles on a power law or unheard voices
http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000745.html
c) the system you propose looks like Slashdot without an editor - K5?
d) economic theory on network effects which covers a lot of this ground
e) email me if you read this Bennett
and aclocal.m4 in the event that you have upgraded an libtool trying to run against a previously setup and working source tree build.
This is advice to myself and may or may not work but is the result of a few days fairly persistent searching.
If there was a decent way to ask the question - and I did in a couple of relevant places - to people who know that would be good.
Identifying libtool as the problem in the first place was hard as well.
Thanks great list & point.
You may also want to add government storing documents in proprietary formats, requiring special software/access to get or future FOI requests being answered with "cloud" enabled answers or limited use software (in the interests of efficiency & security of course), that do whatever they want to do.
How much bandwidth can you get over Ham radio channels?
Text chat should be do-able and plain text email.
I could go and look it up and someone somewhere is probably already doing it.