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Aussies Hit the Streets Over Gov't Internet Filters

mask.of.sanity writes "Outraged aussies will hold simultaneous protests across Australia in opposition to the government's plans for mandatory ISP internet content filtering. The plan will introduce nation-wide filtered internet using blacklists operated by a government agency, away from public scrutiny. Politicians and ISPs will join protesters in the streets to voice their opposition to the government's plan, which has ploughed ahead, despite intense criticism that the technology will crippled internet speeds and infringe on free speech. Opponents said the most accurate filter chosen by the government will incorrectly block up to 10,000 Web pages out of 1 million."

224 comments

  1. If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists win! by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again the guise of stopping child porn and terrorists will be used as cover to do the bidding of big business and lobbyists for the music/movie/software studios who want to block torrent sites. I doubt the U.S. and E.U. will be far behind Australia's lead, sadly.

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  2. The Grand Tube Experiment by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Opponents said the most accurate filter chosen by the government will incorrectly block up to 10,000 Web pages out of 1 million.

    Uh, why didn't they use the metric of 10^4:10^6 or 1:100? Sounds like somebody wanted that statement to be heard as much more impacting than it is. The thing that worries me is that if we look at other technologies designed to "protect the people from themselves," a false positive rate of 1% really isn't that bad--especially on a fully automated system. A high false positive rate is--in my opinion--what's holding back facial recognition but I fear that 1% blockage of websites is completely acceptable to most folks. Maybe a better analogy is that of the FCC in America and the words you can't say on TV ... even though there is no research showing how these words negatively affect people, this small percent of our language and expression is blocked. This analogy (like all) is flawed, however, as you might never know what was on that website that caused the super happy and helpful animated kangaroo to appear on your computer and gently chide you that this site is not for Aussies.

    Hopefully (and I'm betting on this) it will turn out to be a lot like prohibition. The outlawing of these sites and data cause their value to skyrocket, the government is made to look a mockery, your average citizen (I've heard talk of simple SSL encryption stopping this) knows how to reach them, in so doing they inadvertently supply criminals with capital and the very stupid law is repealed. Twenty years later, everyone is joking about "the Grand Experiment" and how pathetically futile it was to begin with.

    Lastly, how is this any different than what China is doing? I'm surprised nobody has made this connection and accused the government of being no better than anti-free-speech China.

    After reading a bit of the plan on Australia's Cyber-Safety, it's evident this quickly degrades into a "think of the children" mentality:

    While the internet has created substantial benefits for children, it has also exposed them to a number of dangers, including exposure to illegal and prohibited content. Parents rightly expect the Australian Government to play its part in helping protect children online.

    So why isn't there an "opt-out" plan for those Aussie adults who like our interwebs a little dirty (and are over 18 years of age)?

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    1. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the problem; since it's automated, that 1% blocked could be anything. cnn/bbc/etc could be blocked for talking about a child porn news item. That would seem unacceptable to me.

      As for the whole "think of the children" issue. There are child protection software packages available. Parents need to start taking responsibility for their offspring and stop expecting everyone else to bend over backwards for them. You brought them into this world, not me. You take care of their well-being. I'm all for "thinking of the children" when it doesn't adversely affect anyone else but this does. Therefore, it is unacceptable.

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    2. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the problem; since it's automated, that 1% blocked could be anything. cnn/bbc/etc could be blocked for talking about a child porn news item. That would seem unacceptable to me.

      Well, according to the last part of one of the articles

      The trial is expected to use a blacklist of 10,000 banned Web pages, using the rumoured 1300-page blacklist held by the ACMA mixed with dummy data.

      If that's true, they are simply going to blacklist a bunch of websites. I heavily doubt cnn/bbc/etc will ever negligently be put on that list. I know little to nothing about this scheme but if it's a blacklist, you probably have little worry about with major news sites. A lot more to worry about things labeled as "counter-culture" or "low brow humor."

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    3. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Andr+T. · · Score: 0

      Lastly, how is this any different than what China is doing? I'm surprised nobody has made this connection and accused the government of being no better than anti-free-speech China.

      Well, at least on /., this analogy has been done a _lot_ of times. Maybe more than the repeating "In Soviet Russia, etc" joke. But less then "The year of the Linux desktop".

      Anyway, about this Aussie firewall, it's great, but... does it run linux?

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    4. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "The thing that worries me is that if we look at other technologies designed to "protect the people from themselves..."

      I think we need to back up and examine that statement in itself. Why should the govt. be involved at all in technology or laws that protect people from themselves?!?!

      Isn't part of being free, the freedom to fuck up?

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    5. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What you doubt, is not reality.

      Remember the whole "5 9's" philosophy of uptime?

      Well what if you reduce that back to 2 9's of uptime, which was like ....8 hours a year I believe. I think you know how big of a deal that even 1/10th of a percent can make, in that regards.

      Now lets take this to an ineffective bloated government mandated filter, and you think it's going to work? Yeah, right. "we're only blocking 1% of the internet, and it happens to be every torrent sites (including linux ISOs) , and 0 child porn websites. I'm proud that the other 80% of the sites we filter are very effective".

      Watch an almost identical quote to that come out of government mouthes if this is implemented.

    6. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1 in a million is 1 too many.

    7. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because if you say it's 1:100 there is a greater chance the "Joe the Plumber" types will infer that perhaps as much as a dozen sites could be hit.

      But it's not a dozen, it's tens of thousands out of millions, which helps reinforce exactly how immense the web has become to people who perhaps aren't as skilled as you at visualizing ratios.

      Sorry for the AC post, I usually don't have enough to say to bother registering, but my meds just kicked in and I'm feeling lucid today =P

    8. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by gorbachev · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If that's true, they are simply going to blacklist a bunch of websites. I heavily doubt cnn/bbc/etc will ever negligently be put on that list.

      They are doing something very similar in Finland. The biggest difference is that ISPs aren't required to filter based on the blocklist, yet.

      An unnamed police officer (yes, apparently a single person) is in charge of what goes on the list and what comes off the list.

      They recently put w3c.org on the list.

      Obviously it was a mistake, but nevertheless it quite nicely demonstrated that any site can end up on the list.

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    9. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by arthurpaliden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do these people not realize that the web sites with the content on that they really want to block are moving targets. A static list will not work. It will have to be automated. Which then results in the blocking of medical blogs and forums. Have they all forgot AOL and 'breast' cancer.

    10. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Trentus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lastly, how is this any different than what China is doing? I'm surprised nobody has made this connection and accused the government of being no better than anti-free-speech China.

      It has before been alluded that it is just like what China have implemented, even in the senate. To quote Senator Conroy (the nut in charge of the department for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy).

      I was wondering if I could get the questions without being accused of being the Great Wall of China.

      From http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S11346.pdf.

      No, you great twat, you can't, not when what you're proposing is so damn much like it.

    11. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I remember correctly, the very same filter was used to deny access to www.lapsiporno.info/ (childporn.info). The only problem was the the blocked site was not about child porn per se, but about the child porn filter. Thus the filter was used by the Finnish police to silence their critics! "Very handy" if you happen to be the authorities and don't care about such things as freedom of speech.

    12. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by pmontra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a false positive rate of 1% really isn't that bad--especially on a fully automated system

      Well, I'd say that a technology with that failure ratio isn't ready for production. Just try dropping every 100th page you load into your browser. I concede that maybe a

      1% blockage of websites is completely acceptable to most folks

      but a 1:100 false positive rate is unacceptable. Unless the opposition to the filters wins, I'll remove Australia from my list of countries I'd like to live in. Too bad, I remember it as a great country when I've been there on vacation years ago.

    13. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would be interested too see if sites which report negatively about this new adventure suddenly find themselves on the list.

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    14. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And why do you think that we are free ?
      Just because you repeat "Land of the free" a lot doesn't make it true.

      In every nation there are stringent laws that govern the behaviour of individuals and companies.

    15. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Hubbell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'll never see that start happening again. All the people who OMFG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!! and have their own...want someone else to take care of their children for them. Gone are the days of parents actually taking responsibility for upbringing of their children.

    16. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The hyperbolic argument is rarely valid, as a supporter of this censorship could just as easily claim, "If it protects one child, it will be worth it!"

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    17. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Well what if you reduce that back to 2 9's of uptime, which was like ....8 hours a year I believe.

      I am pretty sure 2 9s of uptime would be 3.9 days of downtime a year. Talk about unacceptable.

      At any rate, so if they block 1% of the internet incorrectly, they will get a very low number of people complaining. And as we all know, if only a small minority is discriminated against it is ok, right? Wait...

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    18. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by mistahkurtz · · Score: 1

      Parents need to start taking responsibility for their offspring and stop expecting everyone else to bend over backwards for them.

      this is not how we roll... why, if we did that, most of our politicians would have no purpose. (that, or they'd have to do real work, which could prove difficult/impossible, as they are typically only qualified to manipulate people, or lecture people on manipulating people. on the other hand, they might successfully convince us that they're doing a good job, or, that we don't need to take responsibility (or can't) and deserve for everyone to bend over backwards for us, and their jobs are secure.)

      anyway, think of the politicians!!

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    19. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      1 in a million is 1 too many.

      There are only a million website?!

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    20. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by trulore · · Score: 1

      What about seatbelt laws and helmet laws?

      Those are becoming increasingly common in the U.S., and the only purpose of such a law is to protect you from yourself.

      We have (unfortunately) an increasing amount of precedence for giving our government the authority to protect us from ourselves.

    21. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They can block anyone's free speech and blame the whole thing on a mistake.

      From what I've seen over the years, the incompetence defense works every single time. Officials can do something they want to do and blame it on a mistake and the public accepts it unquestioningly every single time. It's one of the most perfect propaganda techniques ever engineered.

    22. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by garett_spencley · · Score: 0

      I've felt the same thing about seat-belt laws for years but recently I finally went and got my driver's license (I'm 26 and just never needed to drive before) and took a driver's ed course and it made one extremely good argument (out of lots of the typical poor ones) for mandating seat-belts.

      With regards to drivers, in the event of a collision the seat-belt greatly increases the driver's ability to maintain or regain control of the vehicle, which can affect the safety of other vehicles on the road. With regards to passengers, they can become projectiles within the vehicle and can interfere with the driver's ability to control the vehicle and minimize damage during a collision.

      I still yawn every time someone tells me that seat-belts save lives (I'm adult and can take risks with my own safety if I want to). But I think I'd rather have drivers on the road who are more able to bring their vehicle to a safe stop if a sudden change of inertia wants to take them out of their seat when they need to make sure that their car doesn't hit someone else.

    23. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      It's no more valid than the counter argument. Casualties are a part of life and I am not willing to make personal sacrifices to "protect" other people's kids. I'm not a babysitter and if I were I'm not being paid enough.

    24. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      "That's the problem; since it's automated, that 1% blocked could be anything."

      Yes. It could be 5%.

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    25. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmm...ever heard of something called "banned books?" ...same idea, different time...

      Banning books is unacceptable. Banning websites is also unacceptable. Don't like it? Don't read it.

      Keep "bad books" away from children, but not adults. Keep "bad websites" away from children, but not adults. This needs to be the focus.

    26. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "What about seatbelt laws and helmet laws? "

      I'm pretty much against those too. As another poster mentioned...some studies do show seatbelts can aid in allowing the driver to stay in control longer, ok, I might see that as a case for them...since it isn't JUST for protecting one from himself.

      I think helmet laws are stupid. If you are an adult, and prepared for the consequences...it should be up to you to ride with or without a helmet. Before our previous Gov. (good riddance), we had repealed the helmet laws, and some times, I rode without one. My choice.

      And don't anyone give me that crap line about "it raises everyone insurance rates to pay for a crash". If that were the case, I'm sure we all in the state saw our rates drop when they re-instated the helmet law. Oh we didn't? Hmm....

      No, I really do not think the govt. should be out there protecting your from yourself. If you want to do something stupid enough to take yourself out of the gene pool, by all means...it should be your right.

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    27. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not just the blacklist. It will also filter out whatever is deemed illegal.

    28. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except China's system is relatively transparent, easily circumvented, and targetted at a much smaller group of banned content.

      Australia intends to ban all "illegal and unwanted" content. Have you ever read exactly how much information / speech is illegal in Australia? It is a surprisingly large amount.

      "She kissed his scuffed workboots and the thought of his feet caused her sex to flood with passion." Illegal in Australia, Refused Classification Content, "Sexual Fetish"

    29. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't anyone give me that crap line about "it raises everyone insurance rates to pay for a crash". If that were the case, I'm sure we all in the state saw our rates drop when they re-instated the helmet law. Oh we didn't? Hmm....

      On the other hand, that could very well be true without rates dropping at all. For example, and given that in a case of an accident most of the money would probably go to medical expenses, the saved money might be being used to improve the quality or reach of the medical care. But leaving aside that, accidents can have other costs for society besides that one, both monetary (e.g., the cost of supporting the family of a victim, if it dies or is left disabled) and psychological (the suffering of a dead guy's family or the people involved in the accident).
      I agree with the general sentiment against laws that only claim to be for our own protection, but that must be evaluated in a case by case basis (and even then, things aren't always crystal clear). Living in a society implies resigning some freedoms, quit whining and deal with it.

    30. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure 2 9s of uptime would be 3.9 days of downtime a year.

      Not quite... not far off, but the math is so easy I'm surprised you didn't get it: two 9's = 99%... which means 1% downtime. Now 1% of 365 days = 3.65 days.

    31. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by rmdashrf · · Score: 1

      ...the incompetence defense works every single time. Officials can do something they want to do and blame it on a mistake and the public accepts it unquestioningly every single time....

      That sadly actually says a lot of expected competency of government officials that the public has.

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    32. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by phyrz · · Score: 1

      Video and computer games regularly get banned in Australia. It would be easy to say they are 'illegal and unwanted' and ban torrent sites for hosting links to them.

      I think theres a pretty good chance that might happen.

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    33. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that.

      This generation is the generation of electronic communication. It's very easy for ideals to spread.

      Now you have millions of gamers (many in their teens) who are seeing people say games cause violence and other ridiculous arguments. They throw around the term "parental responsibility" a lot.

      Most of those same people will grow up to be parents and hopefully most of them will remember all of this and actually be responsible parents.

    34. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Many people would debate whether or not insurance should be required in the first place.

    35. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by morkk · · Score: 3, Funny

      The trial is expected to use a blacklist of 10,000 banned Web pages,

      I heard that this list was compiled from the proxy logs at Parliament House.

    36. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Eh, I think that that reasoning is only used because people generally are incapable of thinking of anyone other than themselves or immediate associations.

      The reality is the laws are implemented to decrease emergency services having to collect your stupid body.

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    37. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by zaivala · · Score: 1

      How is this different from what China is doing? Well, for one, it's not China that is doing this. It is a supposed Western-style democracy, and one where the degree of freedom from government intervention has been held as holy as it was in the Old West.

    38. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by The+Lawnmower · · Score: 1

      It's the emergency services that will have to peel you off the ground.
      It's the hospital that will have to treat your stupid arse when the ambos bring you in.
      The governments should charge extra for a 'no seat belt' licence to balance the extra liability you are to the system.

    39. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...And more to the point, why should the government be involved at all? ;-). They're supposed to be an uber-service-provider to the public, not Big Brother. Imagine if your local Walmart started telling you "you can't have this product because it's bad for you/makes you fat/could potentially be used to kill someone"?

      Government is for the people, after all...

    40. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure 2 9s of uptime would be 3.9 days of downtime a year.

      Not quite... not far off, but the math is so easy I'm surprised you didn't get it: two 9's = 99%... which means 1% downtime. Now 1% of 365 days = 3.65 days.

      I added the .25 on for leap years.

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    41. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      Even so...

      1% of 365.25 = 3.6525

      I don't know how you got 3.9...

    42. Re:The Grand Tube Experiment by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Doh, you are right. I added the leap year on as complete downtime.

      I figure we should do that with leap year anyhow, free day off for everyone!

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  3. Typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in the summary.

    I spotted it first.

    1. Re:Typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about "scrunity" don't you understand? Why do you hate on the children?

  4. Good On 'Em by Paranatural · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It takes some amount of courage to stand up to laws like this. Basically they have to publicly oppose the guise of 'Safety' and 'For The Children'. For politicians and normal people alike it can be difficult to come out sand say you oppose anything that is 'supposed to protect children'.

    Good luck to them I say, and lets hope this kills this insane filtering plan.

    1. Re:Good On 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course in the long run government will win, as they always do. The business of government is simply too lucrative to resist. A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you're sitting at the top of a trillion-dollar power pyramid.

      There's a reason why no government in history (democracy or otherwise) has ever significant, permanently, and willingly reduced its revenue or power over the people. The reason is simple, although not many are willing to accept it (or admit it): more government benefits the people who make their fortunes in the business of government.

      Make no mistake, governments only expand in power and revenue throughout their lifetimes. We ought to sit down and think long and hard about this reality, because it is a perfect window into the true motives of government.

    2. Re:Good On 'Em by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 1

      I'm bloody sick of everything being "for the children." Dang the children. What doesn't kill them makes them stronger.

      And whatever happened to parental responsibility?! Shouldn't the PARENTS be monitoring their brats' intarweb use?

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    3. Re:Good On 'Em by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I think parents need to think of their own children, and not shoving the burden on everyone else.

      "Not everyone wants to think of your children!"

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    4. Re:Good On 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      and my probation specifically states that i am not supposed to think about children...

    5. Re:Good On 'Em by Sigismundo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm inclined to take a cynical view of government too, but how do you explain King Jigme Singye Wangchuck of Bhutan who oversaw reforms to transform his country from an absolute monarchy to a democracy?

    6. Re:Good On 'Em by stei7766 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To play devil's advocate I wouls say that a single person can indeed act decently and change things for the better, but only if they actually have the power to make those changes.

      In democratic governments the ability of the same individual within the government to make the same changes is minor compared to the larger number of those who would rather increase its size.

      Not saying that autocratic governments are inherently better...but this is an aspect of democracy which one could argue is not always best.

    7. Re:Good On 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monarchy is not necessarily any worse off than democracy with respect to freedom. One area where monarchy may actually come out ahead is accountability: since the king is directly impacted by his own policies -- unlike democracy where no one individual or group actually "owns" the government -- he is more hesitant to kill the golden goose (such as what is happening in the US today). Sort of like the difference between a privately-owned company and a corporation. Democracy, by contrast, encourages the mentality of "take as much from the pie as you can and run", and this is why after every successive presidential term, government holds significantly more power and takes significantly more revenue than the last term.

      But to address the question, we need to look at the numbers. I don't know enough about this particular situation to make that call, but I'd be willing to bet that the new government takes in more revenue than the last, and holds at least as much power over the people (perhaps in different ways).

      As an individual, I ought to be much more concerned with my actual level of freedom and human rights than the type of government which rules over me. Reality over ideology. If I had to choose between an oppressive democracy and a benign monarchy, I'd take the monarchy in a heartbeat.

    8. Re:Good On 'Em by PontifexPrimus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Nice quote on that topic:

      The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
      - H. L. Mencken

      I think that pretty much covers it.

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    9. Re:Good On 'Em by HJED · · Score: 1

      Actual in this case the Bill is unlikely to pass the senate because the government dose not have the majority in the senate and the greens oppose it

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    10. Re:Good On 'Em by initialE · · Score: 1

      A man carries a name like that, you know he's not afraid of anything.

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    11. Re:Good On 'Em by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      Yes, parents should monitor their childrens interweb usage. I do, and I don't want the government to railroad this through. My kids PC's are in an ACL which only gets access to approved sites - anything else that they try to access gives them a message telling them to ask Daddy to check if it's ok for them. Whilst I did vote for the Rudd government, I did not hear so much as a whisper about this idea during the election campaign. What I did hear about were a bunch of other things, such as a faster national broadband network, which certainly did interest me in that my crappy ADSL1 connection at 1.5mbps (limited to 40gb of data transfer per month) is only barely above the level that the rest of the world considers to be broadband. Sadly, a string of monumental clusterfucks by the government means that a year in, we still have taken no significant steps towards faster broadband here in Australia. There is talk that this filter will be implemented on Christmas Eve... I will be demonstrating, that's for sure.

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  5. Simulated Protests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who read "Simulated Protests" and wondered whether they would be blacklisted?

    1. Re:Simulated Protests by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are.

      This "meme" if you can even call it that, is stale. Learn to read, and keep such mistakes to your self. Nobody cares.

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  6. Expect Government Response by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They will label the protesters pedophile sympathizers. Insinuations will fly. Motives will be questioned. Fingers will be pointed. Dissent will disintegrate.

    Newspapers will be sold.

    Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.
    Frederick Douglass

    These protesters are only protesting the symptoms and not the root causes of modern censorship. That is why they will fail.

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    1. Re:Expect Government Response by Andr+T. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They will label the protesters pedophile sympathizers.

      That will depend on how many people really show up and how clear the protester's leaders get the message through. If they convince the average Aussie the real reasons they are protesting, the 'bad' people can say anything they want. Just like people calling Obama a terrorist (and here I'm only making an analogy) - he got the message through.

      These protesters are only protesting the symptoms and not the root causes of modern censorship. That is why they will fail.

      To get people on the streets, you need the symptoms. And, when they are already there, you tell them about the theory behind that, and the root causes. But you need facts and impact on people's lives to make them care.

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    2. Re:Expect Government Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aren't you precious? Go ahead, hunker down, keep your mouth closed, mind your own business, and refuse to participate until someone--ANYONE--makes a protest that rises to your standard of approval against those so-called "root causes". Meanwhile, teh pwers that be will take your pathetic silence as acquiescence and will heap even more restrictive control over your life.

    3. Re:Expect Government Response by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Funny

      Censorship only works while the public remains silent. The media is not at fault, it's our corrupt political system. We are resisting with words, with public protest which will come to blows. We will prevail.

    4. Re:Expect Government Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that protesting symptoms in an of itself is an act of not-submitting to injustice, and an act of resisting with words?

      You might also want to read up on the history of successful protest in Australia.

      I seriously doubt that dissent will disintegrate because Conroy calls people pedophiles. He already called the Greens Senator responsible for opposing this a pedo. Dissent increased.

    5. Re:Expect Government Response by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia, some child support agencies are coming out against the filtering, so that will help reduce the "protesters are paedophile sympathisers" taint. Their main point is that child support is very underfunded and, since the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse happens in the home, and the filtering won't really work anyway, the money being spent on this falls into the ineffective "we need to be seen to be doing something" basket.

  7. Vox Populi by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Think of the children! Won't somebody PLEEEEEEASE think of the CHILDREN!" - Helen Lovejoy

    While this is a great start, perhaps they can also lift the bans on games? I'm pretty sure that aussies will want to play F.E.A.R. 2 and Silent Hill Homecoming. Okay, maybe not so much Silent Hill, but they'll want to give this one a miss by choice, not by rating board decree or royal edict.

    1. Re:Vox Populi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Federal Government is trying to do exactly that. However, they need the agreement of all State Attorney Generals to make a change to the ratings system (to introduce an R18+ games rating), but the SA Attorney General is refusing to support the move, in the name of "protecting children".

  8. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Trahloc · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Great Firewall of OZ, Dorthy will be safe now.

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  9. The clbuttic error! by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We have buttiduously canvbutted the industry, buttessed what is available and buttembled the finest selection of PFI contractors for this buttignment. The filters will buttociatively clbuttify all communications and filter then, I can butture you, rebuttemble them with surpbutting exacbreastude in any quanbreasty. Consbreastuents can be rebuttured that a mulbreastude of industry compebreastors will butture quality and keep our clbuttrooms safe. EDS Capita Goatse will not embarbutt us."

    The first filtering offices will be set up in Arsenal, Penistone and Scunthorpe.

    (Inspiration: The Daily WTF.)

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    1. Re:The clbuttic error! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      This is win^n.

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    2. Re:The clbuttic error! by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

      And adults should use one of these.

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  10. Even Save the Children don't want the filters by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A quote from this article in the The Age

    "Holly Doel-Mackaway, adviser with Save the Children, the largest independent children's rights agency in the world, said educating kids and parents was the way to empower young people to be safe internet users.

    She said the filter scheme was "fundamentally flawed" because it failed to tackle the problem at the source and would inadvertently block legitimate resources."

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  11. With Rudd comes censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm an Australian, I've recently become concerned about the plans my government is instigating. Just on /. there has been a recent plethora of Australian govt technological announcements that seriously impeach our ability to freely access information.

    I will certainly attend one of these protest rally 's providing it's located within 400km of my current location (which I seriously doubt).

    And cheers to iinet for attempting to denounce the governments ridiculous plans. No doubt those at the mercy's of company's such as Telstra and Westnet will suffer the full effect of these proletariat injunctions.

    - Dane green

    1. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 4, Funny

      No doubt those at the mercy's of company's such as Telstra and Westnet...

      No doubt those at the mercy is of company is such as Telstra and Westnet...

      There....fixed that for you. :/

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    2. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 1

      No doubt those at the mercy's of company's such as Telstra and Westnet...

      No doubt those at the mercy is of company is such as Telstra and Westnet... There....fixed that for you. :/

      You're my kind of grammar nazi!

    3. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Bob the angry flower, teaches us about the Apostrophe, You Idiots!

    4. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      Hey, give him a break. Our government has blocked access to grammar websites.

    5. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by aiht · · Score: 1

      company's such as Telstra and Westnet

      While you're right that iiNet is the most obviously outspoken ISP against the filter (three cheers for iiNet!), by all accounts most other ISPs are on their side too - including Telstra, but especially Westnet since iiNet owns them.

      (I'm Australian too, and a happy iiNet customer)

    6. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Glad you liked. Obviously the normal way of correcting people isn't working, so I figured something more memorable/WTF/bizarre might work.....

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    7. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now this is real grammar:

      Wrong: No doubt those at the mercy's of company's such as Telstra and Westnet...

      Wrong: No doubt those at the mercy is of company is such as Telstra and Westnet...

      Correct: No doubt those at the mercies of companies such as Telstra and Westnet....

    8. Re:With Rudd comes censorship by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.

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  12. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "away from public scrunity"

    Away from what??

  13. Curious by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm curious. What does the Slashdot community think of government run opt-in blacklists and/or whitelists?

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    1. Re:Curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Personally, I think it would be a waste of government money. There are plenty of inexpensive private company solutions. In general, anything that private industry can do, should be left to private industry. There are of course exceptions, but this is not one of them.

    2. Re:Curious by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      If it was an opt-in, I might, might, be interested. Not for my family, but for NPOs that can't afford a subscription to a commercial service. For the kids, I found that age appropriate supervision and education worked best.

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    3. Re:Curious by Dmala · · Score: 1

      Well, I think it's a terrible idea. Clearly the government does not have the resources to stay on top of all the sites that can pop up. I think the only way a program like that can succeed is if the government enlists the help of major corporations and the various trade associations that represent the major content creators.

    4. Re:Curious by chadenright · · Score: 1

      An opt-in internet blacklist/whitelist isn't really the domain of the government. In other words, I don't want to pay my tax dollars into a program that lets some noob feel good about what porn sites they visit.

    5. Re:Curious by chadenright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and clearly, the government joining forces with major corporations to help censor the internet is going to revolutionize the way we see the internet--the parts of it we see, anyway.

    6. Re:Curious by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

      In the US specifically, there is no federal authority for any such thing, so it would be completely illegal. If done at the state or local level it might be legal, but would still be a stupid idea. It would be impractical for technological reasons, immoral due to it being none of the government's proper business, and generally a waste of money handled by a bloated bureaucracy.

      The Constitutional angle is one that gets too little attention in the US. In Australia, the people are still nominally subjects of the Queen of England, so I suggest fixing that and then getting a strictly limited government.

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    7. Re:Curious by redxxx · · Score: 1

      It really shouldn't cost that much to maintain such a blacklist. All schools and most government facilities are going to use some sort of similar service. That's thousands or millions of individual contracts generating profits for private industry or the government running a couple of servers and paying a few dozen people to run searches on google and maintain a database or two.

      The cost to the government to run a couple blacklists should, be trivial compared to the costs of paying private industry to do the same. Even if it is run terribly, the government should be able to same money doing it themselves.

      Only real cost issue would be fending off lawsuits from companies who feel they were inappropriately blocked.

      Of course concerns about sites getting blocked for political reasons are valid, and the whole big brother/censorship thing gives me the screaming hebejeebies. Still, if it was run by the government there would consistency and probably be more(some) transparency than if it was handled by private firms.

    8. Re:Curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give a shit about what the government thinks about any websites. They simply have no right to impose their restrictions on my viewing content on me. I paid for the pipe; I get to use the pipe as I please, so long as my actions only affect myself (sounds like drug law).

      The government can make whatever lists it wants to, but it can fuck off when it tells me I have to use them.

    9. Re:Curious by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I have no problem if the government wants to make filtering software available. Or even if they want to mandate that ISPs must make filtering software (or ISP-side filtering) available to those who want it. As long as it is opt-in, its fine with me (since I can and will choose not to use it).

    10. Re:Curious by deniable · · Score: 1

      The Constitutional angle is one that gets too little attention in the US. In Australia, the people are still nominally subjects of the Queen of England, so I suggest fixing that and then getting a strictly limited government.

      Could you cut the Republican crap, please. Who do you think would 'fix' that for us? The current politicians. I see that being a success. I'd rather have a powerless, nice, old lady (or her even more powerless progeny) than some politician who's gamed the system to 'fix' things for himself.

    11. Re:Curious by deniable · · Score: 1

      The last government set up a programme to do that years ago. ISPs supply NetNanny to any customer who requests it.

    12. Re:Curious by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm curious. What does the Slashdot community think of government run opt-in blacklists and/or whitelists?

      On slashdot a government scheme to hand out free beer would be viewed with extreme suspicion.

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    13. Re:Curious by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      In the US specifically, there is no federal authority for any such thing, so it would be completely illegal.

      Like the Federal reserve, the Federal department of education, the BATF etc, etc. Those things could never happen because of your constitution right?

  14. FSM by conureman · · Score: 1

    Charlie "Brown" Artman is rolling in his grave.

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  15. im probably the only one by nimbius · · Score: 1, Funny

    envisioning wallabees with didgery doos, and koalas with boomerangs marching the street...led proudly by a weathered and slightly under-dressed paul hogan.

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    1. Re:im probably the only one by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

      That's absurd. You think Australians are all a bunch of wallabys and koalas?

      You completely forgot about the talking kangaroos with big knives! Aren't they, like, half the population?

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  16. What else can Aussies DO? by redelm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Although nicely social, demonstrations and protesting seems somewhat futile -- whinging you are unhappy and the perpetrators ought to fix it. Especially when they are stupid enough to not realize the level of discontent, they are likely to be stubborn as a matter of "principle" (most likely of power retention).

    However, I don not see anything else Aussies can do. I don't think their constitution is strong enough to carry a challenge against parlementary primacy. Naturally, they can vote the b#ms out, but that happens anyways as a matter of control.

    Unfortunately, many "democracies", especially UK-style parlements, functionally are elected dictatorships.

    1. Re:What else can Aussies DO? by Malekin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Although nicely social, demonstrations and protesting seems somewhat futile [snip] Naturally, they can vote the b#ms out, but that happens anyways as a matter of control.

      One of the important goals of protesting is to get many people to take notice of the issue who otherwise wouldn't. If nobody pays attention to the issue it's not going to affect how they vote. With a colourful protest splashed across the evening news more people are going to want to vote the bums out sooner.

      (And seriously, you self-censored the word "bums"? Harden the fuck up, mate)

    2. Re:What else can Aussies DO? by redelm · · Score: 1
      Of course a protest exposes more people to the issue. But not necessarily that many more unless well covered by the media. Which is unreliable at best. I've seen multiple local media ignore a 100+ bipartisan political rally in favor of 6 PETAns protesting a dead elephant. I neither trust the coverage (completeness) nor content of media.

      As for self-censorship, it is a form of highlighting and protesting against the pervasive lameness filters. Even at SlashDot. With your UID you may be too new to know about the actress and controversial warm breakfast cereal favored in the American South.

    3. Re:What else can Aussies DO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >many "democracies", especially UK-style parlements, functionally are elected dictatorships.

      Yes, this is the principle of parliaments. Australia is lucky enough to have a High Court separate to parliament; though, government (the executive) is always the leading party in parliament. Australia also has a bicameral parliament, where the minority parties (due to our electoral system), represent significant minority interests. The issue here is that the Government is pandering to an individual minority interest, despite the opposition of every other minority interest and the opposition; and, that the current government is using legislation (Broadcasting Services Act, Schedules 5, 7) passed by the previous government.

      Two bad governments in a row, from different parties? I'd say that means a bad electorate.

      >I don't think their constitution is strong enough to carry a challenge against parlementary primacy.

      Thanks for playing. Our constitution establishes, within the reserved powers of HRH and her representative, the primacy of parliament. (Might want to learn to spell that too). It was a deliberate choice. The only extent to which parliamentary power is limited, is by the constitution's powers, voluntarily surrendered powers of states, and by the reserve powers and the decisions of the High Court of Australia.

      Its a lot better than tolerating Baronial Powers. And until workers take power for themselves in a libertarian socialist revolution, parliamentary primacy is better than executive primacy.

      >demonstrations and protesting seems somewhat futile

      You don't understand the purpose of demonstrating and protesting. Yes, it is a stand around talk fest. Yes, this is how you build networks of committed activists who'll take other actions like lobbying, non-violent direct action, and creating circumvention systems. Demonstrating and protesting is also a way to let isolated people who oppose this realise just how strong the opposition is, and how many allies they have.

      These protests aren't begging for respite. They're asserting the power of Australians, and the threat of non-violent direct action, legal lobbying, media campaigns, and changes in voting behaviour at the next election.

  17. 10,000 out of 1 million by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also known as 1 in 100, or 1%? Granted, 10,0000 sounds a lot better, but it's a bit disingenuous...

    1. Re:10,000 out of 1 million by SecondaryOak · · Score: 1

      Also known as 1 in 100, or 1%? Granted, 10,0000 sounds a lot better, but it's a bit disingenuous...

      It sounds better, yes, and I'd say it's a legitimate way of putting it considering that there are many millions of web pages.

    2. Re:10,000 out of 1 million by Skye16 · · Score: 1

      I'd say it'd be even better if you took an approximation of the total number of webpages on the internet and then took the 1 in 100 ratio on that.

      According to http://www.worldwidewebsize.com/ , which I cannot vouch for its accuracy but at least it has some numbers:

      there are 25.16billion webpages indexed on the internet.

      25,160,000,000.

      a 1 in 100 ratio would mean that 251,600,000 webpages will be marked as false positives and dropped.

      A quarter of a billion legitimate webpages lost doesn't seem like a number we can just ignore.

  18. Allow me to fix that for them .. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Opponents said the most accurate filter chosen by the government will incorrectly block Web pages."

    The opponents are doing themselves a disservice by analyzing percentages. By doing so it takes the focus from "should we or shouldn't we filter", to "how much should we filter?" Government should never filter Internet access, and the US should put pressure on them however they can, though I concede that is unlikely to happen since so many politicians are too busy trying to figure out ways to convince the proles that the US Government should filter the net to slap the hands of others for doing the same :-)

    (admit it; you were in desperate need of a good run-on sentence and I filled it.)

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  19. "What do we want??" by drjuggler · · Score: 2, Funny

    "No mandatory ISP internet content filtering!!" "When do we want it?" "Before our copies of Quantum of Solace finish downloading!!"

  20. "10,000 Web pages out of 1 million" or simply put by Juggz · · Score: 1

    1 in 100.

  21. You got the ratio wrong! by oskard · · Score: 4, Funny

    will incorrectly block up to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Web pages out of 1 decillion.

    There, fixed that for you.

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    1. Re:You got the ratio wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's over 9000!!

    2. Re:You got the ratio wrong! by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      will incorrectly block up to 628.3 Encyclopedia Brittanicas per Library of Congress.

      There, fixed that for you.

  22. NEUTRALITY by kieblerh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mYbYG-nXVA Lawrence Lessig is the man! Internet users should be in control of what software they use and what content they transmit over the internet. The internet has operated openly since its start. Nobody should be able to use their market power, or government power to silence people's voices on such a powerful network as the internet.

  23. The best internet filter by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best internet filter that can be used is called a 'parent'. The 'parent' places the child's computer in a high trafic area of the home and monitors what the child is doing. 'Parents' can also come with aditional feature which is called 'intrest' as in the 'parent' takes an active intrest in what the child is doing on line. (Comments accepted, special cases ignored)

    1. Re:The best internet filter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem what is obviously NOT apparent to you ...

  24. Et tu Australia? by jeevesbond · · Score: 5, Informative

    So Australia, you voted in a Labour government, thinking you were going to get a moderate, left of centre government? A change from the Neo-Liberal (see Thatcher and Reagan) fiscal policies of the right.

    But what you got is a bunch of socially right-wing, authoritarian cock-wads, who think the solution to any social problem is making new laws. As a Brit, I have to say this sounds disturbingly familiar.

    If it's not Stephane Dion declaring that he's "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime," Australians electing a Tony Blair clone, or the Canadian Prime Minister ripping-off speeches from John Howard; it continues to amaze me how the Commonwealth leaders copy each other.

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    1. Re:Et tu Australia? by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      Or more succinctly:
      Left is the New Right.

    2. Re:Et tu Australia? by kingturkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually I knew we were getting a bunch of cock-wads and didn't vote for them. Those cock-wads would prefer it if you would mispell Labour as Labor.

    3. Re:Et tu Australia? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      In Canadian politics, I'd like to see either the grits or torries disappear for awhile (depending on who replaces Dion. I'd like to see Goodale running things (slight regional bias here), though it would definitely piss off Quebec, as I don't think he can speak French.), have the one that doesn't form a minority government, with the NDP running the opposition.

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    4. Re:Et tu Australia? by operagost · · Score: 1

      I don't even live in Oz and I know that the authoritarian stupidity has been going on a long time. When you give up your rights to hold useful firearms because one nutcase went on a rampage (with guns he possessed illegally in the first place), it shows a lack of fortitude.

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    5. Re:Et tu Australia? by GrpA · · Score: 1

      Some of us knew what we were getting into...

      It was pretty clear that whoever won, Australia's voters would lose. But to paraphrase Paul Keating (former PM before John Howard) it's the painful government we had to have.

      The only hope for many of us was that whoever eventually replaced the government we were about to vote in would be a better choice in the long term. Sometimes that's the best you can hope for.

      In three more years, I'll know if I made the right choice.

      It's just unfortunate that the government we needed to move through to get to that point turned out to be a "Christian" version of the Taliban. Perhaps I should start referring to them as the Chaliban.

      GrpA.

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    6. Re:Et tu Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't have a Labour government. We have a Labor government that we voted in.

      Then again, we voted for Labor to get rid of Work-ScrewTheEmployee-Choices and were happy with Internet filtering that had an opt-out of all filtering option. And, as most pollies do after an election, change their promises so that they don't even resemble what they were before the election. i.e. we now have a Labor government who has changed their mind and there will no longer be an "opt-out" of all filtering option.

    7. Re:Et tu Australia? by enoz · · Score: 1

      Hopefully after this debacle the public will finally realise that Labour and Liberal are both equally shit, and then promptly vote in the Sex Party

    8. Re:Et tu Australia? by enoz · · Score: 1

      I'd be quite happy to live in a country that has not had a mass gun murder since the nutcase rampage and subsequent gun buyback (1996).

    9. Re:Et tu Australia? by aiht · · Score: 1

      who replaces Dion.

      *raised eyebrow* Celine Dion is in government now?
      And to think, I was surprised about the Governator... ;)

    10. Re:Et tu Australia? by smegged · · Score: 1

      No, you are wrong on several points.

      Primarily the one thing that people almost unanimously wanted to keep was the fiscal policies of the Right.

      The two things that people really voted in Labor for were these - to repudiate the progressive industrial relations laws that were introduced under the Work Choices policies and return to a more union oriented model. Secondly people wanted "change". People stopped listening to Howard after over a decade in power. Thirdly, people wanted action on climate change. Rightly or wrongly, Kevin Rudd took ownership of that issue (even if his policy was simply the Coalition policy brought forward two years)

      People were mostly happy with Howard's economic management, which saw a 20% growth in real wages, no recessions despite the Asian financial crisis and the dotcom bust, budget surpluses in all years but one and massive tax cuts over the years (honestly, it was not that long ago where earning over $60k AU (around $47k US) cost you 45% of your wage in tax). Kevin Rudd sold himself to the public as a "fiscal conservative" and said "me too" on a lot of significant areas to win power.

      What we got was pretty much what we asked for, except with less experience and maturity than we were used to from our government. The number of times that the senate has saved the taxpayer from ludicrous schemes over the past twelve months has been ridiculous. The senate may just save us from this piece of lunacy too. The Greens won't vote for it and the coalition have promised not to either.

    11. Re:Et tu Australia? by smegged · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you bring up a policy which has achieved what it set out to achieve - a reduction in gun crimes. It is only really the rural areas that cared at the time (or still care) about gun restrictions. And it is not exactly that guns are outlawed, only restricted to limit the harm that individually they can inflict in a short space of time.

    12. Re:Et tu Australia? by srjh · · Score: 1

      It's a really bizarre situation, I must admit.

      Labor last year defeated a long-serving right-wing socially-conservative member of the Liberal party (just to confuse things further - the Liberals are the traditionally right-wing party in Australia), after the public was really starting to turn on the government at the time.

      The did this by... nominating a right-wing socially conservative member of the Labor party. He even looks close enough to our old PM to be convincing. Australians aren't generally comfortable with too much change at once.

      The strange thing is that the Liberals are learning from their mistakes - almost all of the cabinet members in the previous government have retreated to the backbench, and the party is trying to reinvent itself, but their far-right policies continue with the Labor party cloning the previous government.

  25. I hope the Aussies kick some govt butt! by Brontos · · Score: 1

    This filtering crap really chaps my ass. I really hate it that the govt thinks they need to know what everyone is doing all the time. I hope they can get those laws repelled. Read Cory Doctorow's Little Brother.. http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ I don't think we are too far off from this stuff, especially the more the govt wants to stick their hand in our private lives. We can't let this happen!

  26. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    if they do this in the USA, there will be blood. end of story.

  27. Not In The Streets by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hold your protests in the voting booth, not in the streets. Then something will really happen.

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    1. Re:Not In The Streets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was so funny !

    2. Re:Not In The Streets by NudeAvenger · · Score: 1

      It's a strange democratic system I know - but they only allow you to vote for a party or a person, and not a tickbox of policies you agree with. now wait 4 years or kick up a stink...

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    3. Re:Not In The Streets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes about 6 years to effect a change. 4 years to get a portion in to instigate the start AND another 4 to see a movement that = years 6 through 8 for change. Lots can happen, with possibly more "change" realized than desired!

    4. Re:Not In The Streets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold your protests in the voting booth, not in the streets. Then something will really happen.

      Not when the only two choices for govenment promote the same agenda.

    5. Re:Not In The Streets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is the protests in the street that eduates the person who never thought about the issue. Protests have their place.

    6. Re:Not In The Streets by ratboy666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, not in the "voting booth".

      The reason is simple -- a government that is elected sets up an organization. Typically, the organization is created without an "exit strategy". After which, future governments end up feeding it anyway.

      So, we end up with a "internet monitoring" or "media monitoring" organization. It may live on a LONG time.

      As an example: Ontario, Canada, created a censorship tribunal in 1911. By the 80's, very few people could tell much about it, although it was still active. Indeed, it existed until 2004, when it was declared "unconstitional" (in the Canadian sense). See: http://www.ccla.org/news/winter04-05_10.html

      However, the Ontario Film Review Board still exists (http://www.ofrb.gov.on.ca/english/page4.h) but I find it interesting that the events of 2004 are not mentioned in its "self-history".

      That is what happens to these initiatives. Leading to the only solution possible. "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." (Aliens).

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    7. Re:Not In The Streets by YesDinosaursDidExist · · Score: 1

      Hold your protests in the voting booth? Yeah right! George Bush was president for 8 years...after four the "Not My President" shirts were well circulated...but he still got a second term. It only took 8 years of hell to get us a new president...holding any protest in the voting booth is like feeding money into a broken vending machine and hoping your Pepsi will eventually fall out.

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    8. Re:Not In The Streets by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      So do I vote for the people who introduced internet filtering or the ones who will continue with it?

      The problem is that in most democratic countries on many issues do not have a choice since the two (or three at most) major parties agree and so whoever you vote for nothing will change

      The recent US elections are a case in point - Name three things Obama and McCain disagreed on? (Fairly easy) and now three things they disagreed on (ludicrously easy .... since it is almost everything)

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    9. Re:Not In The Streets by HJED · · Score: 1

      Firstly not all the party's agree and at the moment the minor ones have allot of power eg.
      the greens

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    10. Re:Not In The Streets by Malekin · · Score: 1

      The problem is that in most democratic countries on many issues do not have a choice since the two (or three at most) major parties agree and so whoever you vote for nothing will change

      The recent US elections are a case in point -

      That's because the US federal election system is a first-past-the-post system, which is deeply flawed in this way. The Australian system uses preferential voting, meaning a vote for a minor or single-issue party (Like the newly-formed Australian Sex Party which opposes this censorship as a core platform issue) is not a wasted vote.

    11. Re:Not In The Streets by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The current government has only been in power for 12 months and the previous government spent $100M trying to do exactly the same thing. I'm curious, which of the two major parties are you going to vote for to turn this thing around ??
      Apart from a vote being 2-3 years away...this simply isn't going to be an election issue come voting time. Outside of people who actually understand what it means (a very, very small number), this is not an issue - and with the global financial crisis dominating the news - it can't become one either.

    12. Re:Not In The Streets by mgblst · · Score: 1

      What an idiotic statement. So every 4 years, we get to vote one way or the other, and that way we will have control? You realise we don't live in a democracy, a democracy means we all get to make the decision.

      If we we disagree with one policy, we need to make this known. If enough people disagree, then the will of the people should be followed.

      You are a fucking idiot, please die!

    13. Re:Not In The Streets by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Oh to live in a truly democratic country .... well one better than the UK ...

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  28. Over 250 million websites to be banned in Aus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The indexed web alone contains over 25 billion sites. That means we're talking at over 250million sites blocked! :D

  29. Obligitory by dotNetProgrammer · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our filtering overlords... there i said it

  30. Wow, taking to the streets huh? by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 0, Troll
    Once you're done with the free speech wankfest:
    • This level of censorship will have zero practical effect on political speech.
    • Many, if not most, of the people upset about it use the internet to look up pornography and break copyright law — two activities with no socially redeeming aspect.
    • If you disagree with the last statement, you have let your brains dribble out your ears. I'm not going to argue with your tortured, whiny, refutations.
    • Although free political speech is a useful good, it is not infinitely good. Democracy is the modern religion, and is just as silly as worshipping Zeus ever was. Limits on (usually non-political) speech should be considered and imposed when they make sense, as they often do.
    1. Re:Wow, taking to the streets huh? by pluther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pornography has "no socially redeeming aspect"?

      Can you tell me what the "socially redeeming aspect" of reading Slashdot is? And why I should allow you to continue doing so?

      "This level of censorship will have zero practical effect on political speech."

      On what basis do you make that assertion? And why are you limiting it to only "political" speech? And in what circumstances do limits on free speech (political or not) "often" make sense?

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    2. Re:Wow, taking to the streets huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many, if not most, of the people upset about it use the internet to..[do stuff Henry V .009 doesn't like]

      There are so many problems with that kind of thinking, though:

      • I noticed you didn't say "all." What about the guy who isn't doing stuff you don't like? Government is messing with this guy for no reason.
      • If the purpose of government is to prevent people from doing stuff that Henry V .009 doesn't like, maybe it's also to prevent doing stuff that Anonymous Coward doesn't like (well, except that I'm not an Australian citizen, but let's pretend I was). I happen to think $YOUR_HOBBY has no value. Let's use government force to ban $YOUR_HOBBY.
      • And here's the worst part: there's no upside. This thing is all loss for no gain (except to the owners of companies that make the filters).

      Although free political speech is a useful good, it is not infinitely good.

      It's also harmless, though. There's no reason to restrict your speech.

    3. Re:Wow, taking to the streets huh? by computational+super · · Score: 1
      I'm not going to argue with your tortured, whiny, refutations.

      Yes you are. It's killing you. You're sitting there, right now, steam coming out of your ears, trying to resist the temptation to argue. You just... can't... resist...

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    4. Re:Wow, taking to the streets huh? by TSPhoenix · · Score: 1

      The Australian constitution only has provisions for free speech in regard to political matters. I presume that is why they were limiting it only to political speech.

    5. Re:Wow, taking to the streets huh? by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      The Australian constitution only has provisions for free speech in regard to political matters.

      I'm envious. Here in NZ we have freedom of speech in every matter except politics.

  31. ssh -D ? by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    could be a market for ssh proxies in countries where filtering is not implemented.

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  32. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by yoshi_mon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any widespread filtering of the internet at large will result in a massive tech 'arms war' that will make the cold war look like a Sunday picnic. Splinter cryptoed internets on both the current and eventually new internets will occur. Won't be pretty.

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  33. Business Oppotunity... by EddyPearson · · Score: 1

    The first thing I'm going to do when this gets put in place, is buy myself 5-10 VERY fast dedicated servers.

    The second thing I am going to do is write a nice, easy to use, one-click-fits-all SSH and proxy client.

    The third thing I am going to do is make a pretty website selling this wonderful solution, aimed at paranoid numbskulls (unlike every other proxy service out there).

    The forth thing involves a brief walk to the bank, laughing aaaalllll the way.

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    1. Re:Business Oppotunity... by zuperduperman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, in all seriousness, this is what scares me more than anything about this insane plan.

      Because such businesses *will* spring up, and pedophiles and criminals will indeed flock to them. And within a very short space of time we will have laws introduced that make it not just impractical to bypass the filter, but *illegal* to circumvent it or to offer technology or services for doing so. From there we are but a short hop from making all but government approved (ie. backdoored) encryption illegal and from there to complete totalitarian control over society.

      So this rather innocent sounding filter has the potential to cascade, through it's obvious flaws and the inevitable embarrassment of the government when they become publicized, to something much much more serious.

    2. Re:Business Oppotunity... by tqft · · Score: 1

      The other /. story on the great aussie internet debacle test indirectly linked to the technical specs

      "ISPs are invited to participate in the Pilot through two streams:
      1.
      Index filtering only of the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) blacklist of prohibited URLs; or
      2.
      The ACMA blacklist plus additional filtering e.g. more extensive index filtering through to dynamic filtering of other unwanted internet content and non web based applications."

      Note the last phrase of item - "non web absed applications"

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  34. Censorship is wrong. Period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whether by the Chinese government, the Aussies, the US, wherever, censoring public communication is the ultimate expression of disrespect for the public, and seriously undermines the validity of the offending government.

  35. As an Aussie... by NudeAvenger · · Score: 1

    ...I'm proud to live in London where the wifi is bountiful and the downloads are many

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  36. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    big business and lobbyists for the music/movie/software studios who want to block torrent sites.

    These issues are also a smoke screen, just like child porn and terrorists. The _real_ problem is free speech, that is what is under threat.

    This was all planned. In "Between Two Ages" by Zbigniew Brzezinski he predicted the internet and the rise in free speech. This take down of the free internet is just the next step. Get us all hooked, get the world using it, then transform it into the greatest propaganda tool ever invented.

    First they caught us in the "net". Now we are getting moved into the "grid".

    We _must_ keep hold of the internet in its present form, this is very important.

  37. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

    and this has happened how much since china built it's firewall?

  38. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by OriginalArlen · · Score: 4, Informative

    OpenAustralia.org is your friend.

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  39. Simple, really by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Parents have not exercised proper control over their children. Obvious on the face of it.

    Government has recognized this lacking and is preparing to step up to the plate, at least in some minimal aspect.

    This removes the need for any "parenting" in that specific area. Of course, since "parenting" is an obsolete concept that seems to have gone out of favor with June Cleaver we can expect further government action.

    It is an obvious step. The government can't legislate "parenting" so they are going to (ineffectively) step into that role. The people have spoken, by not doing any parenting themselves. I believe we can expect similar action in the US sometime soon. The nanny state expands to fill all voids.

    1. Re:Simple, really by Strep · · Score: 1

      The key word in all you're stating above is : ineffectively. This sums up all government "programs"...

  40. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is in response to an earlier comment ... on the time line.
    The Aussies, Brits & Canadians have already LOST. They're going to protest this action ... OK. So WHAT? These countries have not a bite to their actions. Let's play Soylent Green and scoop em up.
    In the United States, we're just a hair's tooth away from the same. Check out the War Powers Act AND the Presidential Executive Orders AND the power given to FEMA concerning putting the US Constitution on HOLD without stating WHEN or HOW it would resume (restoring RIGHTS Back to the American Subjects and a restoration of their Citizenship) Please remember the Branch Dividians taught us how a "Cult" is defined by our friends running our government.
    I love this country but, neither party has an answer since departing so far away from intents of the Original Constitution.

  41. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by memnock · · Score: 1

    if/when that does happen, how many people in the U.S. will make an effort such as the Australians to voice their opposition?

  42. And how many webpages are there out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millions upon millions.

    Therefore either

    a) There are 10,000 x multiple sites to ban (sounds like a lot!)

    b) there are 10,000 x smaller multiple sites that should not be banned (which is 10,000 x smaller multiple too many)

  43. Cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now when are Americans going to get off their lazy asses and get the federal government to stop bailing out failures and stop devaluing our currency? When are you going to End the Fed and demand sound money?

  44. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if they do this in the USA, there will be blood. end of story.

    I didn't see any blood over the USA PATRIOT Act, did you?

  45. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Luthe_Faydwire · · Score: 3, Informative

    have you heard of darknets?

  46. Would be fun to do on-demand links again by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

    Back in the days when I first learned about and used the Internet (no "darpanet") we did not have ISPs. The idea of an ISP is a new thing. In the old days you got an Internet conection beacuse you knew someone else who had one and you rigged a communications line to them. Many times you could not afford to keep that line 24x7 so you connected periodically and when the connection was up you send email and NNTP (news) that had been queued. Most of use had multiple "peer" and we'd connect with some of them hourly, some of them only at night.

    There is no reason we can't go back to this kind of setup, it could be done in parallel with the current ISP based setup. All our current software and servers have suport for ultiple intermitent conections. It would be kind of fun (for us geeks at least) to set up As for the links, if it's close, like two houses down the block, you can run 100BaseT wire down the back fence or use wifi with big antenna to go up to 10 miles. Ham radio has world wide reach but at very low speeds. And then there are phone modems.

    1. Re:Would be fun to do on-demand links again by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      > you connected periodically and when the connection was up you
      > send email and NNTP (news) that had been queued.

      NNTP is to SMTP as news is to email. (more or less -- IHAVE/SENDME excluded for obvious reasons).

      If you were doing dial modems back in the day, you were probably using UUCP, with the UUCP-g protocol to exchange news and email.

      Anything that you could do over UUCP over a modem could be done over UUCP over a telnet or ssh link.

      So fallback to ham or dialup for netnews will probably never happen. But if it does, and you want to dial in to Canada... let me know. I wager I'll be here for another for another decade.

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    2. Re:Would be fun to do on-demand links again by swilver · · Score: 1

      How about fallback to wifinet, with occasional encrypted bridges over the internet? :)

  47. Boneheaded blacklists by macraig · · Score: 1

    You'd think by now the moldy old news that blacklists do more harm than good would have percolated up to even these idiots in Aussie government? The allegations of corporate ulterior motives are almost certainly true; they're aware of the consequences and don't care because they have an IP agenda.

  48. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by GospelHead821 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, in fact, I've seen outright approval of the PATRIOT Act. Too many people have the attitude "It doesn't hurt me in an obvious and immediate way and it just might help catch a terrorist, so it's a good thing!" A trivial application of critical thinking shows how it hurts EVERYBODY in subtle and long-term ways. It is one of many popular laws that exists because we base our decisions more on worst-case-scenarios than on rational cost-benefit analysis.

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  49. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Kandenshi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what you're saying is that THEY are actually Cardassians? child porn is a smokescreen for music torrents which are a smokescreen for free speech.

    "a plan within a plan within a plan leading to a trap" seems very in-line with what you're describing. Hmm, this situation is alternatively terrifying and awesome, not sure how I'm supposed to feel as an old trek nerd and current music nerd.

  50. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by wilder_card · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually many Chinese get around those restrictions. However, there does seem to be a different psychology at work there, as well. The Chinese accept many restrictions we'd find outrageous.

  51. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    actually that might be the kind of obstacle that would force an evolution of our networks and communications. i think that people usually respond well to adversity; in this case there are a lot of very intelligent and skilled people that want information that other people have. if barriers are thrown up in the way of the transfer of data they will find ways to use technology to overcome them or create new technology to do it. i kind of like the idea of "splintered cryptoed internets" because they are less easy for any one entity to control.

    besides, if the entire network is illegal to be on, can you imagine how good the warez will be?

  52. Don't stop the fight against this lie. by moxley · · Score: 1

    Kudos to our brethren down under. I believe that this is an issue where people NEED to protest and do whatever is necessary to prevent losing freedom on the internet means really does mean the end of the only real freedom we barely have left in western society; the uncensored net means freedom of comminication and expression, freedom to organize, etc...We know that US (and likely every other country) is recording everything that happens online, under the guide of keeping the world safe and "looking for terrorists" (the trump card of all political excuses, with it's little brother "think of the children.") I am not against common sense true security when it doesn't infringe on our collective rights and the constitution, but this definitely would (in the US) and does not provide true security.

    Believe me, there are people in governments and corporations in the UK and US who want the same thing; shit, the UK has turned into a full blown surviellance society (and the US is quite bad).

    This is an issue worth fighting over and not giving up for anything.

  53. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by interploy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's because for all the freedoms taken away/mangled by the patriot act, it's not immediately present in the mind of the average american. Americans just plain don't like to be bothered. Laws like the Patriot Act get passed because it doesn't affect the day-to-day grind. But, take away the ability to surf porn and chat up myspace and people will be pissed. God knows what would happen if some ISP decided to block fantasy football sites here.

  54. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by riceboy50 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someday we will as well if we don't stop it from happening.

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  55. Finland for the win! oh the misery! by dgr73 · · Score: 1

    Oz is not the forefront of this "let's block the internet to save our children movement". Unfortunately the do-gooders in Finland have beat you to it, giving us a very sour tasting "Win". However, the implementation is a DNS block, which just ends up as being a "child porn here" list for anyone who knows how to poll a DNS servo and use diff.

    1. Re:Finland for the win! oh the misery! by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oz is not the forefront of this "let's block the internet to save our children movement". Unfortunately the do-gooders in Finland have beat you to it, giving us a very sour tasting "Win".

      And the end result of that was that I set up a Tor relay and will never again trust the Finnish police, since it has proven itself to be willing to abuse its power - not a single one of the sites on the block list I sampled contained child porn.

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  56. New Codeword for Child Port: by iSzabo · · Score: 1

    Conroy Let's see them put up a filter for that!

  57. Aussie gov't makes example out of citizen by doug141 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A video site called Liveleak, that runs a few dozen new videos daily, ran a video of a russian circus family practicing, which involved an adult holding a child by the limbs and tossing/spinning him about. The aussie gov't is prosecuting an aussie for watching the video. Here's the appeal for support for the accused:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a77_1228162261

  58. g'day mate by Strep · · Score: 2, Funny

    Govmint plowing forward despite widespread protest from people and politicians, eh? How's that democracy workin' out for yeh?

    1. Re:g'day mate by HJED · · Score: 1

      Fine thanks seeing as the other party's have a majority in the senate and will probably stop this from being passes.
      Thanks for asking

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  59. Democracy once every 4-5 years by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    Hold your protests in the voting booth, not in the streets. Then something will really happen.

    Sure, do your duty of voting once every 5 years, and shun every other form of social and political engagement. Yeah right.

    Protesting in the streets is as much a part of democracy as voting is.

  60. Since comments are welcome: by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    It's spelled "interest".

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  61. Really? by Zero+return · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always understood that the more odious autocratic regimes tended toward presidential systems where the head of state and executive are one person - with the United States being an exception.

    Have I misread something?

    1. Re:Really? by redelm · · Score: 1
      Yes, the more odious regimes generally abandon any pretense at separation of powers or even head-of-state from chief exec. But France and Germany and many other republics have a separation HoS from CEO, yet it doesn't make them noticably superior.

      The real issue is separation of powers, and the whippability of representatives. This is where US "anticorruption" Campaign finance reform hides an extreme hazard. AFAICS, only the US and Japan have legislators moderately independant from their parties. Where they are not (here I invoke the grizzly spectre of Tony Blair putting down three backbencher rebellions over Iraq), the party boss controls all.

  62. 10,000 web pages out of 1 million. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just say 1% of the websites will be filtered incorrectly, unless the filter has only indexed 1 million websites. And in that case they only have .005% of the "YAHOO web" indexed.

  63. I'm pretty happy about this by booyabazooka · · Score: 1

    Things like PGP and Freenet have never been able to really take off because not enough people are motivated to use them. Once people's websites start to get blocked, more people become motivated to go encrypted with their Internet usage.

    The more you tighten your grip... the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

  64. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't get bloody because it didn't really affect many Americans. I've never even met someone who's even claimed to know someone who has.

    Sure, there are people who were affected, but they're few and far between.

    However, if the government started to filter the Internet...that would affect a great many people and thing would indeed get ugly.

    It won't probably get to drawing blood, but it'll likely spell the end to the careers of several politicians.

  65. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. The majority of people never bother to read the laws anyway. The legislators know this and thus know they can get away with bold titles like 'The Patriot Act'. If govt. firewalls come to the U.S. it will not be called 'The Internet Censorship Act' or 'The Free Speech Restriction Act', it will instead be something like 'The Child Porn Prevention Act' or 'The Internet Protection Act'.

  66. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by psybre · · Score: 1

    I bled a little over this, but it was not repor@#&k((@#)

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  67. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by JoCat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't have much time to react. The USA PATRIOT Act kept getting voted down in Congress. After 9/11, it was pushed again and made it into law in less than 48 hours.

    Those that sought blood after it became law were apprehended, given orange jumpsuits, and placed into tiny rooms.

  68. Fianly by HJED · · Score: 1

    All i can say is a am glad that this (the protests) are happening maybe people will realize this is going on now

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  69. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See China. But they've never really had an open, free Internet in the first place.

    Australia may just be following China's lead.

  70. The way to stop this by jonwil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Write to your local MP and senators (especially write to those who hold the ballance of power in the senate).
    The greens have already said they will oppose this in its current form (Whether they would accept it if it was 100% opt-in and voluntary I dont know)
    If we can get enough people to oppose it (especially those on the liberal/national opposition in the senate) Kevin wont be able to pass the law necessary to implement the filtering.

    1. Re:The way to stop this by BenjaminHall · · Score: 1

      Here is a site someone sent me that is collecting emails/signatures (hopefully for good!) as a petition:

      http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/

    2. Re:The way to stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law is already passed, it was passed by the Howard Government, and passed again by the Rudd Government.

      Broadcasting Services Act Schedules 5 & 7.

      Only protests can save us now.

  71. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah? Well, it'll never happen in my home country of Oceania.

  72. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Raenex · · Score: 1

    This was all planned. In "Between Two Ages" by Zbigniew Brzezinski he predicted the internet and the rise in free speech. This take down of the free internet is just the next step. Get us all hooked, get the world using it, then transform it into the greatest propaganda tool ever invented.

    Or, people like to form networks, bad things can happen on networks, and government likes to regulate bad things. Somehow I don't think the Internet was planned as a propaganda tool.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

    Not to say that governments won't use it as propaganda, or regulate free speech, but that doesn't mean it was planned that way from the start. Seems kind of foolish to give everybody a free speech platform and then try to take it away after the fact. They would have built in controls from the beginning if that was their intent.

  73. Re by faraday_cage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regardless of how many pages it will wrongly block, or correctly block, it's not going to stop what it's apparently supposed to. This is common knowledge. Those who think it is a good idea will suddenly be miffed when their internet speeds drop by up to 75%, and they pay more than their fair share for these high speed connections. Let's see who will be in an uproar when you can't download your torrent of 'Desperate Housewives'. Let the reasonable people (who don't let any child near their house, let alone their computer) be allowed to opt out of this ridiculous filter, and we can get the already ridiculously slow internet speeds we pay a premium for.

  74. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by trouser · · Score: 2

    In what way does the Patriot Act limit my access to porno? Blood in the streets.

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  75. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they do this in the USA, there will be blood. end of story.

    I didn't see any blood over the USA PATRIOT Act, did you?

    As docile as Americans are there will not even be a
    protest.

  76. DATE! by NMEismyNME · · Score: 1

    Neither this article nor the Computerworld article linked mention the date of the protest, which is December 13.

    This little bit of information is VERY useful to those of us who live here and who might like to attend. I would venture to suggest that it is the second most important detail.

    Full details here

  77. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    Seriously? You really think there's some master conspiracy to take away free speech using the internet? You think that human beings are coordinated and evil enough to "get us hooked" on the internet, without any concrete evidence slipping into the public eye, without anyone having an attack of moral conscience, and without any precedent for this kind thing?

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  78. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by ekhben · · Score: 1
    That's a nice theory, but alas, wrong.

    The blocking is a political piece, not designed to win the hearts and minds of the majority of voters (an election fairly recently passed, and the public has a very short memory) but to win the favour and votes of the Family First member of parliament. The Labor government needs the support of the independents in parliament to get majority votes.

    It may wind up being used for copyright infringement control, and the possibility and enormity of the available abuses of that nature are one of the biggest problems with the whole thing, but it's not starting out that way.

  79. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We yanks tend to tolerate things for an extended period of time, then, finally, when enough is enough, we start breaking things. Loudly. Someone then defecates an ACE Hardware worth of bricks and either caves or dies (literally or figuratively). See our war of independance. See the Civil War. See the World Wars. See the Civil Rights Movement. Read any decent American History textbook or do your own research in libraries and/or on the 'net. Again, one day, we will finally get pissed-off enough and be Americans again instead of Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, etc. and break things. Then, we'll pick up the pieces and be stronger for it. Society will then trend back to becoming soft, and the cycle will repeat. History repeats itself because people don't remember the lessons learned from their mistakes.

  80. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to tell you this, but that dream, while nice, just isn't true. The government is getting ever more efficient about controlling the populace and defining "center" and "extreme" points of view. (hint: if the leaders don't approve, its extreme.) There will come a time when Americans are brainwashed into forgetting that America was created by bloodthirsty revolutionaries. Americans will start to care more about a government handout than a violation of civil rights. Americans will believe to ever-greater extents that if the Government does it, it must have been a good thing. Dissent will lose popularity and the dissenting will be quietly imprisoned or marginalized. God forbid, it will happen.

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  81. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by deniable · · Score: 1

    The good news is that Fielding has started causing the government more trouble on education. If he's too unreliable, they may finally stop pandering to him.

    It looks like the opposition and Greens won't allow the filtering through the Senate, so Family First looses this one. Fingers crossed.

  82. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by LuNa7ic · · Score: 1

    The _real_ problem is free speech, that is what is under threat.

    Really? As far as I was aware, we don't actually have a constitutional right to free speech in Australia anyway. That's why we can outright ban groups like the KKK.

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  83. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    It's sad that freedom of speech can be taken from us so easily, the government is going to block anything it considers "Unwanted Content".

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  84. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    Exactly,
    You won't find a website like slashdot in China.

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  85. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    It's Kevin Rudd he wishes to turn this country into China.

    Having been in China I can tell you it's a shit hole, the last thing we need is to become anything like it.

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  86. Road Rule by MudBoy · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the car analogy but this seems quite relevant.
    A lot of the arguments being thrown around claim that the filters are being implemented to stop people accessing illegal content. Illegal content that if you are caught accessing you can be prosecuted and sent to prison with or without the filters in place.

    Driving a car on the road above the speed limit is illegal (which also potentially endangers kids) and to enforce those laws we have police with "fricken lasers" patrolling the roads.

    Cars have been around a long time. Why don't we have government mandated speed restriction modules installed. Something that would read speed signs as you drive, and limit your speed accordingly. Of course it would only be 90% accurate, so speeding in school zones would still be possible.

    I guess you see my point

  87. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by Hucko · · Score: 1

    Thank you.

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  88. Reads, corrects, and leaves. by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

    Apologies to Lynn Truss.

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  89. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by hachi-control · · Score: 1

    Airstrip One is going down, if East Asia has anything to say about it bitch.

  90. Judas Priest said it long ago, in protest, already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line, & read this (it says it FAR better than anything else I can say):

    "Up here in space? I'm LOOKING DOWN ON YOU! My lasers trace, everything you do - You THINK you've private lives?? THINK NOTHING OF THE KIND! There is NO TRUE ESCAPE, I'm watching all the time... I'm made of metal, my circuits gleam, I.M. PERPETUAL (I keep the country clean) - I'm elected Electric Spy: I'm protected, ELECTRIC EYE... Always in focus, can't kill my stare! I 'zoom into you', but you don't know I'm there! I take a pride in probing ALL your 'secret moves'... my tearless retina, takes pictures that can prove - I'm made of metal, my circuits gleam, I.M. PERPETUAL (I keep the country clean): Electric Eye, IN THE SKY (feel my stare, ALWAYS THERE) - There's NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT (develop & expose! I feed upon your EVERY THOUGHT (& so my power grows))... Elected, Protected, Detective, ELECTRIC EYE!!!" - JUDAS PRIEST, 'The Elecric Eye'

    APK

    P.S.=> Only thing is, I'm NOT sure I disagree with it... sure, I can tell you who's going to protest too - those profiting by the current UNPROTECTED model is who!

    Sometimes, filtering, is a GOOD thing!

    (As in the case of say, a custom HOSTS file to blockout known bad sites &/or adbanners even)...

    However, by way of comparison?

    A local customized HOSTS file lets YOU control its content, directly, yourself, & easily using a text editor (and, for ALL webbound apps from 1 single point of control no less)...

    Now - this ISP/BSP level stuff? You have NO control, other than hopefully being able to move to another provider that might NOT do so... apk

  91. Re:If we don't stop thepiratebay, the terrorists w by dpastern · · Score: 1

    Yes, but governments ONLY work for the music/movie/software studios. They're only interested in doing their bidding, and they don't give a fuck about us, the mere mortals.

    In reality, something like this should be given to a public referendum. Then we'll see if the Australia public *really* want such a device. My guess is that it'd probably sneak through such a vote, since the average Australia is pretty dumb and constantly falls for bullshit and lies from the government without a 2nd thought.

    Dave

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