The far more popular myth is the one that says that you have right to publish your opinion. To have your views be forced upon others, and that you have a right to know any and all things.
Since you seem to be a consitutional lawyer, please show me using ONLY the language within the actual constitution the wording that forces any of those organizations I mentioned to publish your words.
Stop making the term cheap by use of semantics in order to push the overblow imaginary "right to knonw" and publish an opinion.
I get a bit disturbed the continued mis-use of the word "censorship"
Censorship is something governments do.
Facebook telling you that you cannot post something offensive is not censorship.
Slashdot deciding your story or comment is not worthy of publishing is not censorship.
Apple deciding to not let pornographic image applications be sold on the the store is not censorship.
And certainly deciding to not publish something because a useful tool would be rendered relatively useless is also not censorship.
A news agency deciding (on its own) not to publish troop movements is not censorship.
The US government telling it that it cannot would be.
The difference is not subtle. There is no "right to know" or "right to have access to everything"
Pulling them away? Are you completly uniformed about the way it works? I check m y news entirely through the google news site. *EVERY* single time I read an article it takes me to the website.
Without google, the page hits from me and thousands of other users would never appear.
I agree with an ealier suggestion. Fine, lets have google go down the list and just stop aggregating their news.
Let their add revenue drop even further as page hits drop. Then when they want to be included again *CHARGE* them for it.
This isn't new. Early in my tech support years, one of my first jobs was for a small division of MCI (1992?) Called Campus MCI. Not only had quite a few colleges outsourced e-mail (they were on MCI servers using the same systems as the consumer internet) but also the internet connectivity.
and QA teams especially those that report through the same structure as the development team let things through that most CS could find in 3 minutes of testing.
Don't lay responsibility for dealing with your crap code on the group that has to deal with the aftermath.
We do our job. Howabout doing dev right the first time?
again afater 20 years I have discovered one true to unity truth. Dev and QA ALWAYS pad turn around time.
I find myself unsympathetic that the dev group will have to skip their lunch and stay late to deal with a problem quickly. The CS team does it daily due to the things you all missed the first time.
20 years in customer support, but bulk of that in Tech Support and the most likely group to send development such requests..
They don't care if you have to keep a team at the office round the clock to get 3 weeks of dev in within two days.
They don't care that they are being pushy.
They care that you released a product without realworld QA, that your code is impacting their business, and that getting a straight answer out of the CS group can be damn near impossible.
Those "unreasonable" customers are responsible for the rather high salaries you all make coding in the dark.
actually, if you consider 3 as being the month, then.1415926... must represent the fraction of the month...
Therefore, PI day is actually at 03/05 @ 9:20:42
* 744 hours in March.
* 105.34493 hours to Pi - 3 (fraction of March represented by the fractional part of Pi
hmm
Actaully it would be March 5th (1 based vs 0 based)
105 hours is 4 complete days
with 9.3449343 hours remainder
Resulting in 03/05 @ 9:20:42 AM
hmmm
(My roomate calcuated most of it.
Pretty much agreeing here. I'm not sure I can find a single piece of me that says "aaaa too bad"
Spammers have made what should be one of the most useful parts of the net, crap, difficult and given me a need to mostly not pay attention to my e-mail.
there is a way... they could prevent stupid people (who think spam and phishing) have the slightest to do with Microsoft software and more to do with personal stupidity from being able to log on.
Hmmm. Hell I figured that out in an "i am curious" experiment when I was 12. How much money did they spend on the study? I should apply for a few science grants.
I took a look at this last week, and was VERY interested in participating. And quite disapointed when I discovered that I could only help if I ran windows. I even wrote a comment to them suggesting a linux port. AS an exclusive Debian user at home, I am unwilling to install buggy security flawed ms software just to help a project I believe has value.
Or as south park put it:
1. First we steal all the underwear
2. Uhhdunoo
3. BIG PROFIT!
Seriously. I do think in the longer run this will be a good thing for Mozilla. Both Sun and IBM have significant reasons to continue to support the project and neither are...what you could call... microsoft fans.
Hmmm.... seems to have generated quite a bit of discussion. All folks had to do was ignore it, and it would have passed into obscurity.
Isn't the point of this generating discussion? Enough people seemed to care enough about the subject to generate several pages of subject lines when I went into the discussion.
For a discussion board, that *seems* to be justification enough. *shrug*
Pine is just about the safest thing I've found.
Several of my non-geek friends use the graphical mail clients and "send" me viruses all the time.
My biggest problem with them when I use pine? Binary looks silly, but it sure dont' execute.
Lots of folks also like Mutt, It is just not my thing.
I'll take a few random crash bugs as apposed to the
over 30 megs of "security" updates one has to download for IE paired with windows.
So since crash bugs are such an issue, I'll assume companies should also not be using IE? Any Microsoft software whatsoever?
And this will effect Lawmakers decisions how?????
How many of every four millionaires in the U.S. Senate in 1992 were Democrats?
Answer: 3 out of every 4
I guess I am confused as to why anyone (Blind, Lynx user, Joe Coke in the CD tray) has a "right" to a "free" account.
There are times when the "advocates" do far more harm with their lawsuites than good. They will sue, some judge will grant them the injunction, and all that will happen will be pissed off companies.
They will certainly loose some of my goodwill.
I duno.
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What about a simple FM radio? I found this project a lot of fun http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/three_penny/three_penny.html and after building it with my nephew is started a whole series of experiments and visits to Radio Shackk for them.
The far more popular myth is the one that says that you have right to publish your opinion. To have your views be forced upon others, and that you have a right to know any and all things. Since you seem to be a consitutional lawyer, please show me using ONLY the language within the actual constitution the wording that forces any of those organizations I mentioned to publish your words. Stop making the term cheap by use of semantics in order to push the overblow imaginary "right to knonw" and publish an opinion.
I get a bit disturbed the continued mis-use of the word "censorship" Censorship is something governments do. Facebook telling you that you cannot post something offensive is not censorship. Slashdot deciding your story or comment is not worthy of publishing is not censorship. Apple deciding to not let pornographic image applications be sold on the the store is not censorship. And certainly deciding to not publish something because a useful tool would be rendered relatively useless is also not censorship. A news agency deciding (on its own) not to publish troop movements is not censorship. The US government telling it that it cannot would be. The difference is not subtle. There is no "right to know" or "right to have access to everything"
Aaaaa I see Godwin's Law has proved itself yet again.
Pulling them away? Are you completly uniformed about the way it works?
I check m y news entirely through the google news site. *EVERY* single time I read an article
it takes me to the website.
Without google, the page hits from me and thousands of other users would never appear.
I agree with an ealier suggestion. Fine, lets have google go down the list and just stop aggregating their news.
Let their add revenue drop even further as page hits drop. Then when they want to be included again *CHARGE* them for it.
As the manager of a tech support department I probably would have fired an agent who didn't bother to read a client note stating what was done.
"every problem is different, service not proccessing" is the mantra of every guy who works for me.
the only "supid morons" are those that put up with Sh!tty service.
You mean profiling works?
This isn't new. Early in my tech support years, one of my first jobs was for a small division of MCI (1992?) Called Campus MCI. Not only had quite a few colleges outsourced e-mail (they were on MCI servers using the same systems as the consumer internet) but also the internet connectivity.
and QA teams especially those that report through the same structure as the development team let things through that most CS could find in 3 minutes of testing. Don't lay responsibility for dealing with your crap code on the group that has to deal with the aftermath. We do our job. Howabout doing dev right the first time?
again afater 20 years I have discovered one true to unity truth. Dev and QA ALWAYS pad turn around time. I find myself unsympathetic that the dev group will have to skip their lunch and stay late to deal with a problem quickly. The CS team does it daily due to the things you all missed the first time.
20 years in customer support, but bulk of that in Tech Support and the most likely group to send development such requests.. They don't care if you have to keep a team at the office round the clock to get 3 weeks of dev in within two days. They don't care that they are being pushy. They care that you released a product without realworld QA, that your code is impacting their business, and that getting a straight answer out of the CS group can be damn near impossible. Those "unreasonable" customers are responsible for the rather high salaries you all make coding in the dark.
actually, if you consider 3 as being the month, then .1415926... must represent the fraction of the month...
Therefore, PI day is actually at 03/05 @ 9:20:42
* 744 hours in March.
* 105.34493 hours to Pi - 3 (fraction of March represented by the fractional part of Pi
hmm
Actaully it would be March 5th (1 based vs 0 based)
105 hours is 4 complete days
with 9.3449343 hours remainder
Resulting in 03/05 @ 9:20:42 AM
hmmm
(My roomate calcuated most of it.
Pretty much agreeing here. I'm not sure I can find a single piece of me that says "aaaa too bad" Spammers have made what should be one of the most useful parts of the net, crap, difficult and given me a need to mostly not pay attention to my e-mail.
Guess you get your news from the cartoons then. Lots of ISP's are doing.
there is a way... they could prevent stupid people (who think spam and phishing) have the slightest to do with Microsoft software and more to do with personal stupidity from being able to log on.
Hmmm. Hell I figured that out in an "i am curious" experiment when I was 12. How much money did they spend on the study? I should apply for a few science grants.
I took a look at this last week, and was VERY interested in participating. And quite disapointed when I discovered that I could only help if I ran windows. I even wrote a comment to them suggesting a linux port. AS an exclusive Debian user at home, I am unwilling to install buggy security flawed ms software just to help a project I believe has value.
Or as south park put it: 1. First we steal all the underwear 2. Uhhdunoo 3. BIG PROFIT! Seriously. I do think in the longer run this will be a good thing for Mozilla. Both Sun and IBM have significant reasons to continue to support the project and neither are...what you could call ... microsoft fans.
Hmmm.... seems to have generated quite a bit of discussion. All folks had to do was ignore it, and it would have passed into obscurity.
Isn't the point of this generating discussion?
Enough people seemed to care enough about the
subject to generate several pages of subject
lines when I went into the discussion.
For a discussion board, that *seems* to be
justification enough. *shrug*
I duno what version of IE you are useing. When IE stops responding and you ahve to close it ALL versions of explorer get closed.
*shrug* Pine does what I need.
Pine is just about the safest thing I've found. Several of my non-geek friends use the graphical mail clients and "send" me viruses all the time. My biggest problem with them when I use pine? Binary looks silly, but it sure dont' execute. Lots of folks also like Mutt, It is just not my thing.
I'll take a few random crash bugs as apposed to the over 30 megs of "security" updates one has to download for IE paired with windows. So since crash bugs are such an issue, I'll assume companies should also not be using IE? Any Microsoft software whatsoever?
And this will effect Lawmakers decisions how????? How many of every four millionaires in the U.S. Senate in 1992 were Democrats? Answer: 3 out of every 4
I guess I am confused as to why anyone (Blind, Lynx user, Joe Coke in the CD tray) has a "right" to a "free" account. There are times when the "advocates" do far more harm with their lawsuites than good. They will sue, some judge will grant them the injunction, and all that will happen will be pissed off companies. They will certainly loose some of my goodwill. I duno.