Energy is valuable. If Bearden really could obtain it from the vacuum, he wouldn't need to sell books to make a living. It's not really that hard to be a small profitable power plant - look at the farmers burning methane and selling electricity. Anyone claiming "free energy" needs to put out or shut up. A friend of mine loaned me a book by Bearden - what a crock. Nothing there but technobable and conspriacy theories. He'd rather you buy his books than do anything worthwhile. He'd probably prefer to produce useful energy, but of course he can't.
Is it really feasible to snag the raw pixel data and recompress it in real time? Of course it is, but Joe Public doesn't have hardware to do that. Someone could make a converter box, but it might be hard to buy one in the US.
"he damn networks like to mess around with scheduals to the extent that they kill the shows"
I couldn't agree more. I quit watching several shows (especially on FOX) because they kept changing the schedule. That means moving it by 1/2 hour or an hour, or not running the show one week so they could show the pilot for some new show. Sunday night used to be our FOX TV night, but the irregular schedules got so out of hand I quit watching entirely.
Part of being a "good consumer" of TV is being a drone right? Part of that is watching out of habit right? Fucking with the schedule really makes that hard.
I'm about to give up on some newer shows too because of this new idea to extend the season with occasional reruns mid-season. When that happens, I turn the TV off (what? you think I have an alternate show I watch weekly at the same time?). It also makes the time slot more "available" to other activities because there is some question as to weather I'll be watching the show at all on a given night.
Give me a good show at a regular time every week without fail, without slipping in reruns, and I'll glue my eyeballs to it regularly and catch all (most) those darn commercials like I'm supposed to. The only one I think lives up to that recently is 24 and they're on thin ice with the story lately.
"No unix/linux clients, but then I don't really want my linux boxes running at 100% anyway."
But most windows machines run at 100 percent anyway - either they are infected with malware that eats the CPU, or they are running anti-malware software that does the same thing. So if the Linux users won't donate cycles, that leaves it all to MACs;-)
Not sure what these look like yet, but people should be aware of the Stix Fonts project. They are professionaly produced and cover a large number of glyphs (several thousand). I submitted a blurb to slashdot when they were having public comments on the license, but it got rejected. Anyway, they are intended to be free (of charge) for a lot of use. Not sure if they can be included in a Linux distro.
"Actually convincing people that DRM is worse than their nifty new consumer products is a difficult problem."
Just ask people if they prefer the DRM of the iPod to the non-DRM of good old CDs. They'll talk about the bulk of CDs and players, so you'll have to explain that the ability or inability to copy stuff is independant of the form factor - point out that tunes can go from CD->iPod all they want but iTunes stuff is rather restricted because of DRM. People are slowly starting to notice the restrictions imposed by DRM, and they often need to be reminded that that isn't normal.
I still have Windows 98 running on a 700MHz box that my wife uses all the time. It sits behind the Linksys wireless thingy. Yeah, it was tricky getting wireless to work on 98 (not 98SE) but the card works fine. She runs Firefox and OpenOffice, an old Word97, and Some photo and page layout stuff. She keeps up to date AV software that has never found anything (1 thing but I think that was the XP box). I would never pay to "upgrade" to XP which would cripple it. The UI is still very responsive on that machine.
When the 98 installation does get screwed up, I'll offer to load Fedora on it. She uses my Fedora box without any complaints. There are a couple apps that I have not found suitable replacements for on Linux, but I'm hoping they'll be available before the 98 dies. In particular I grabbed Scribus on the Linux box - she said it looked awful and would never use it. I think it's probably time to try it again.
The other problem with loading Linux on it is this: It has a TNT2 video card. A modern Fedora comes with a modern Kernel that doesn't work with older nVidia drivers. The newer drivers don't work with that old card. This really illustrates the closed source driver problem well. But this is getting way off topic. It runs Windows 98 just fine with no issues or infections and will continue to do so until something breaks.
Perhaps they figure the bad guys are going to lay low. You create the master social network database for the whole country and then check if people are actually in it. If you pull a guy over for speeding and he doesn't show up in the NSA database there's probably something fishy about him;-)
From TFA "The idiots in the press repeat the lie verbatim and the lie becomes real. What is the lie? That Unix/Linux is less secure than Windows. Granted, only the stupidest dolts in the universe -- and the trade press -- are going to buy that crap, but they put it out there anyway."
idiots, dolts, crap. There is a lot of name calling in there. He sounds like a teenager complaining about her friends. I don't claim to be the most articulate person around, but this guy shouldn't be writing articles. People judge you by the words you use. I got so distracted by his name calling I had to post before finishing the article, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to reach the end or take his side given the tone.
Why do people think trying to hack web sites without asking the owners first is somehow acceptable?
No really. Why should that be OK? Is it OK for someone to walk around the neighborhood and try turning all the doorknobs? How about pushing the doors open to see if they're bolted? Should they take a picture from inside and send it to the homeowner as proof that someone could get in? Should you be suprised when someone tries to prosecute such a person? Sorry for the analogy, let's just try to answer the first question about hacking without authorization - why do people think that's OK?
On the NO!SPEC site, there is a blurb about a guy named Jeff who "donated 5 new posters" to their website devoted to telling people not to work for free. Do you see the irony?
"Does this mean that I might be able to get wireless working without ndiswrapper in the near future?"
Buy hardware that is supported. Yes it's a pain to do the research, but it's worth it. I have a Shuttle XPC and wanted to install their wireless add-on that doesn't require a PCI slot. I worried about drivers until I found that it uses the ZD1211 chip for which ZyDas provides an open source Linux driver. Then I learned that there is a sourceforge project to rewrite the driver so it's suitable for integration into the mainline kernels - 64bit included. They plan to get into 2.6.17 or 18 kernels, so wireless may well work out of the box when I upgrade to Fedora 6 in the fall. For now it's possible to make it work the hard way (download/compile) without ndiswrapper.
There are other cards with this chip and there are other chips with native Linux drivers in various states. The future looks good.
"This subtle change doesn't destroy the shackles of our broken patent system, but it certainly loosens the bonds that tie innovation down."
What's the difference between a patent troll and an individual with a patent and no ability to produce something (yet). A patent is a handy thing to have when seeking VC so you can tell people what you need money for without getting ripped off. Now, if some big company rips off your idea, the court can just say "oh, it's OK because he doesn't make any money from this patent - he's a troll". The problem is NOT patent trolls, it's a system that grants patents for any stupid little thing.
If you invent something, and are unable to bring it to market (yet) and someone else brings it to market, you'll look like a troll if you go after them. You might even skip building/marketing your invention and just license it to big companies that have the ability to take the idea to market. If some nasty company reads your patent instead of talking to you, and develop the product on their own - and you sue? Now you're a troll.
Another issue: If this causes a reduction in troll attacks on big companies, the patent system is less likely to get fixed. These high stakes cases demonstrate that there is a problem. Let's fix the problem, not just make the cases go away.
"For readers of Slashdot, using Linux probably seems a trivial task."
I'm a firm believer that using Linux is easy for the everyday person. It's installing it and getting everything working that's a problem.
An example: My wife knows my ID and password for my Fedora linux box. All she'd ever done is use Firefox on it. Recently she wanted to get some pictures off my computer and I wasn't home. She logged in, couldn't open the CD drive (the button doesn't work - not a linux issue) she then double clicked the computer icon (in gnome) then right clicked the CD/DVD drive icon and chose OPEN. She popped in a blank CD and closed it. Up popped a window representing the CD, and she went in my pictures folder and dragged the stuff she wanted into the CD folder and then chose file->write to disk. When I got home, I asked how she printed my pics from her computer/printer. She said it was easy except for opening the drive, which took a minute to figure out how to do from the desktop.
Now I just installed FC5 (update from FC4) and I haven't had enough time to get the proprietary nvidia drivers working yet. The installer ran but X crashed - yes I updated the kernel (the one it comes with is broken) I'll get to the bottom of it soon enough. And that's the point - setup is nontrivial. After that I'll worry about getting codecs installed and the firmware for my HD2000 card. Then I'll be working with my wireless driver (ZD1211 Shuttle PN18) in the hope that I can get my particular card supported out of the box when they merge the driver to mainline kernel. In short, I can get stuff working but would never expect joe average to do so. I don't enjoy it myself either, but I do like using Linux a lot compared to windows - a feeling my wife is starting to share.
To be fair, most people never have to get windows working either. It comes preinstalled on their machine, along with any proprietary drivers they may need. Linux just doesn't come that way. That's the difference.
"Turner added that what is more important in the smartcard debate is ratifying exactly where the identification data is stored."
The problem is that no one should store any ID information. The chip needs to provide a digital signature, and the private key needs to exist only in the chip. This completely eliminates spoofing by "listening" to a device or pinging it for ID. I suppose each device should also have an ID, but that should not be used as authentication - just a suggestion as to which public key can verify the signature. OTOH, I'm guessing there are very good reasons to keep the ID and the signing device separate.
"I think a great service would be done if word processing software could detect attempts at such manual formatting"
Instead of writing mind-reading software and popping up a paper clip, they could just make the default document come with page numbers in a footer. This would clue people in that these capabilities exist. Those that just want a simple text document won't mind, or can use notepad, or figure out how to remove the footer. Removing something is usually simpler than figuring out how to add it. Now taken to the extreme, this would be a nightmare - the default document would have headers, footers, and several other default formatting options that would take a lot of work to remove.
Or people could just learn to use the tools properly.
"The link between vaccines and autism had to do with a preservative that included mercury in it. This has been replaced with a non-mercury preservative, and I believe most of those batches have since been used or replaced."
That was one concern for many vaccines. Another theory had to do with the combination of vaccines (Mumps in particular) allowing other things to get through the gut and the blood-brain barrier. Some places used a separate Mumps and MR instead of the tripple MMR.
What's disturbing to me is the attitude of the agencies in charge of this stuff. I heard about these concerns from a few people and decided to look into it. On the US side, there is no mention of any issues. The brits at least listen to the concerns and claim to be looking in to it, or recommending some research. When my kid got her first DTaP dose, they gave us some an info packet on the vaccines. They really hype the stuff - one of the vaccines is promoted as the first "anti-cancer" drug, because one of the diseases it protects against on some occasions caused cancer. Then there's the whole issue where DTP vaccine was replaced with DTaP - a newer safer version - not that they ever indicated a problem with the old one.
The only conclusion I reached is that you can't trust anything the FDA or NIH have to say on these "issues". They are clearly pro-vaccination to the point of insanity.
BTW, one of the side effects we were supposed to look for with DTaP was "high fever greater than 105" which occures in 1/16000 cases. Holy crap! 105 can do serious damage to an adult. One is 16000 isn't that much, but how many will get a 104, or even 103 fever from it? It looks like they just used a higher temp to reduce the occurence rate to something more reasonable. And what's this chickenpox vaccine? Kids are supposed to get chickenpox aren't they? They make it sound like your kid will die if they don't get vaccinated. In another 50 years the public will actually believe that crap.
My kid survived her first DTaP just fine, and will continue to get injections containing foreign DNA/RNA as prescribed. There are some documented down sides to actually getting the diseases. There is probably some truth to the claims against the vaccines too, but since the government is in denial it's hard to make a valid comparison of the risks. Most the other sources on the net claim just the opposite - OMFG your kid will die or be a vegetable if they get vaccinated. Their attitude is no better than the gov.
"They are glorified VCR's where the only way you can record digital cable or HDTV is to connect the cable box to your video in, and hit play and record on two remotes."
What planet are you from? In my area there are 8 broadcast stations and many of them are just starting to figure out what subchannels are. The result? 13 distinct programs available at most times of the day - with nothing but some old rabbit ears. That's with the TV. My HD2000 card in the PC is happy to record any of it in nice digital (ATSC) format, but the reciever needs a better antenna than the TV in the other room. That's OK because the house is equiped with an attic antenna from the good old days - it's plugged into the PC. Most the stuff on TV is crap (cable included), so your insistance on paying for cable, and then paying more for digital, and more yet for HD is just beyond me.
If everyone would drop cable, some networks will pick up the few good shows that are currently only on cable. The slots are now available thanks to the subchannels of ATSC.
"Why should the artist get the lion's share of the money? What about the people that wrote the music, wrote the lyrics, recorded and mixed the tracks, corrected the artist's singing flaws during editing, the people who created the cover art, the people who advertise and market the album, etc. etc. etc.? Why should the self-absorbed drug addict who shows up 2 hours late and puts in a couple days' worth of work singing the songs that were written for him/her be awarded a disproportionate amount of the money? Just because its their picture on the cover?"
Gosh, in the good old days, the popular bands all wrote their own music and performed it live. You're either trolling, or one of these young whipper-snappers that doesn't know what real music is. Why should some jackass writer get revenue for life+70 years for spending 20 minutes writing some lyrics? I agree with you too - why should someone who does 20 takes in a studio followed by a lot of editing be given that same benefit for their "talent"? Same goes for studio musicians.
If someone claims to have talent, let them make a living performing. Oh right, that's what the article says is happening...
And "people living in these HBRAs [high background radiation areas] do not appear to suffer any adverse health effects as a result of their high exposures to radiation".
That's interesting. Does anyone know if people in these areas have genetic differences that help them survive the higher local radiation? Just because people in other HBRAs survive, does not necessarily mean it's safe for people surrounding this particular area to move back in as if nothing happened. Is there any research on this possibility? From your post it appears some people can tollerate the radition just fine. The question is, can the former inhabitants who might want to move back into this area?
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Energy is valuable. If Bearden really could obtain it from the vacuum, he wouldn't need to sell books to make a living. It's not really that hard to be a small profitable power plant - look at the farmers burning methane and selling electricity. Anyone claiming "free energy" needs to put out or shut up. A friend of mine loaned me a book by Bearden - what a crock. Nothing there but technobable and conspriacy theories. He'd rather you buy his books than do anything worthwhile. He'd probably prefer to produce useful energy, but of course he can't.
Hey, how much are digital x-ray "plates" running these days? I want to build a home CT device.
Is it really feasible to snag the raw pixel data and recompress it in real time? Of course it is, but Joe Public doesn't have hardware to do that. Someone could make a converter box, but it might be hard to buy one in the US.
"he damn networks like to mess around with scheduals to the extent that they kill the shows"
I couldn't agree more. I quit watching several shows (especially on FOX) because they kept changing the schedule. That means moving it by 1/2 hour or an hour, or not running the show one week so they could show the pilot for some new show. Sunday night used to be our FOX TV night, but the irregular schedules got so out of hand I quit watching entirely.
Part of being a "good consumer" of TV is being a drone right? Part of that is watching out of habit right? Fucking with the schedule really makes that hard.
I'm about to give up on some newer shows too because of this new idea to extend the season with occasional reruns mid-season. When that happens, I turn the TV off (what? you think I have an alternate show I watch weekly at the same time?). It also makes the time slot more "available" to other activities because there is some question as to weather I'll be watching the show at all on a given night.
Give me a good show at a regular time every week without fail, without slipping in reruns, and I'll glue my eyeballs to it regularly and catch all (most) those darn commercials like I'm supposed to. The only one I think lives up to that recently is 24 and they're on thin ice with the story lately.
"No unix/linux clients, but then I don't really want my linux boxes running at 100% anyway."
;-)
But most windows machines run at 100 percent anyway - either they are infected with malware that eats the CPU, or they are running anti-malware software that does the same thing. So if the Linux users won't donate cycles, that leaves it all to MACs
Not sure what these look like yet, but people should be aware of the Stix Fonts project. They are professionaly produced and cover a large number of glyphs (several thousand). I submitted a blurb to slashdot when they were having public comments on the license, but it got rejected. Anyway, they are intended to be free (of charge) for a lot of use. Not sure if they can be included in a Linux distro.
Just ask people if they prefer the DRM of the iPod to the non-DRM of good old CDs. They'll talk about the bulk of CDs and players, so you'll have to explain that the ability or inability to copy stuff is independant of the form factor - point out that tunes can go from CD->iPod all they want but iTunes stuff is rather restricted because of DRM. People are slowly starting to notice the restrictions imposed by DRM, and they often need to be reminded that that isn't normal.
>Sounds like Sony and Blu-Ray.
Sounds like every game console ever made.
When the 98 installation does get screwed up, I'll offer to load Fedora on it. She uses my Fedora box without any complaints. There are a couple apps that I have not found suitable replacements for on Linux, but I'm hoping they'll be available before the 98 dies. In particular I grabbed Scribus on the Linux box - she said it looked awful and would never use it. I think it's probably time to try it again.
The other problem with loading Linux on it is this: It has a TNT2 video card. A modern Fedora comes with a modern Kernel that doesn't work with older nVidia drivers. The newer drivers don't work with that old card. This really illustrates the closed source driver problem well. But this is getting way off topic. It runs Windows 98 just fine with no issues or infections and will continue to do so until something breaks.
Perhaps they figure the bad guys are going to lay low. You create the master social network database for the whole country and then check if people are actually in it. If you pull a guy over for speeding and he doesn't show up in the NSA database there's probably something fishy about him ;-)
idiots, dolts, crap. There is a lot of name calling in there. He sounds like a teenager complaining about her friends. I don't claim to be the most articulate person around, but this guy shouldn't be writing articles. People judge you by the words you use. I got so distracted by his name calling I had to post before finishing the article, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to reach the end or take his side given the tone.
No really. Why should that be OK? Is it OK for someone to walk around the neighborhood and try turning all the doorknobs? How about pushing the doors open to see if they're bolted? Should they take a picture from inside and send it to the homeowner as proof that someone could get in? Should you be suprised when someone tries to prosecute such a person? Sorry for the analogy, let's just try to answer the first question about hacking without authorization - why do people think that's OK?
Now we know what people will do with 4 cores and up. Render their own movies.
Great stuff.
On the NO!SPEC site, there is a blurb about a guy named Jeff who "donated 5 new posters" to their website devoted to telling people not to work for free. Do you see the irony?
Buy hardware that is supported. Yes it's a pain to do the research, but it's worth it. I have a Shuttle XPC and wanted to install their wireless add-on that doesn't require a PCI slot. I worried about drivers until I found that it uses the ZD1211 chip for which ZyDas provides an open source Linux driver. Then I learned that there is a sourceforge project to rewrite the driver so it's suitable for integration into the mainline kernels - 64bit included. They plan to get into 2.6.17 or 18 kernels, so wireless may well work out of the box when I upgrade to Fedora 6 in the fall. For now it's possible to make it work the hard way (download/compile) without ndiswrapper.
There are other cards with this chip and there are other chips with native Linux drivers in various states. The future looks good.
What's the difference between a patent troll and an individual with a patent and no ability to produce something (yet). A patent is a handy thing to have when seeking VC so you can tell people what you need money for without getting ripped off. Now, if some big company rips off your idea, the court can just say "oh, it's OK because he doesn't make any money from this patent - he's a troll". The problem is NOT patent trolls, it's a system that grants patents for any stupid little thing.
If you invent something, and are unable to bring it to market (yet) and someone else brings it to market, you'll look like a troll if you go after them. You might even skip building/marketing your invention and just license it to big companies that have the ability to take the idea to market. If some nasty company reads your patent instead of talking to you, and develop the product on their own - and you sue? Now you're a troll.
Another issue: If this causes a reduction in troll attacks on big companies, the patent system is less likely to get fixed. These high stakes cases demonstrate that there is a problem. Let's fix the problem, not just make the cases go away.
I'm a firm believer that using Linux is easy for the everyday person. It's installing it and getting everything working that's a problem.
An example: My wife knows my ID and password for my Fedora linux box. All she'd ever done is use Firefox on it. Recently she wanted to get some pictures off my computer and I wasn't home. She logged in, couldn't open the CD drive (the button doesn't work - not a linux issue) she then double clicked the computer icon (in gnome) then right clicked the CD/DVD drive icon and chose OPEN. She popped in a blank CD and closed it. Up popped a window representing the CD, and she went in my pictures folder and dragged the stuff she wanted into the CD folder and then chose file->write to disk. When I got home, I asked how she printed my pics from her computer/printer. She said it was easy except for opening the drive, which took a minute to figure out how to do from the desktop.
Now I just installed FC5 (update from FC4) and I haven't had enough time to get the proprietary nvidia drivers working yet. The installer ran but X crashed - yes I updated the kernel (the one it comes with is broken) I'll get to the bottom of it soon enough. And that's the point - setup is nontrivial. After that I'll worry about getting codecs installed and the firmware for my HD2000 card. Then I'll be working with my wireless driver (ZD1211 Shuttle PN18) in the hope that I can get my particular card supported out of the box when they merge the driver to mainline kernel. In short, I can get stuff working but would never expect joe average to do so. I don't enjoy it myself either, but I do like using Linux a lot compared to windows - a feeling my wife is starting to share.
To be fair, most people never have to get windows working either. It comes preinstalled on their machine, along with any proprietary drivers they may need. Linux just doesn't come that way. That's the difference.
Using Linux is easy, setup can be a bitch.
The problem is that no one should store any ID information. The chip needs to provide a digital signature, and the private key needs to exist only in the chip. This completely eliminates spoofing by "listening" to a device or pinging it for ID. I suppose each device should also have an ID, but that should not be used as authentication - just a suggestion as to which public key can verify the signature. OTOH, I'm guessing there are very good reasons to keep the ID and the signing device separate.
Instead of writing mind-reading software and popping up a paper clip, they could just make the default document come with page numbers in a footer. This would clue people in that these capabilities exist. Those that just want a simple text document won't mind, or can use notepad, or figure out how to remove the footer. Removing something is usually simpler than figuring out how to add it. Now taken to the extreme, this would be a nightmare - the default document would have headers, footers, and several other default formatting options that would take a lot of work to remove.
Or people could just learn to use the tools properly.
Any teams in the Detroit area? Non-academic ones? This would be a really cool thing to work on full time.
That was one concern for many vaccines. Another theory had to do with the combination of vaccines (Mumps in particular) allowing other things to get through the gut and the blood-brain barrier. Some places used a separate Mumps and MR instead of the tripple MMR.
What's disturbing to me is the attitude of the agencies in charge of this stuff. I heard about these concerns from a few people and decided to look into it. On the US side, there is no mention of any issues. The brits at least listen to the concerns and claim to be looking in to it, or recommending some research. When my kid got her first DTaP dose, they gave us some an info packet on the vaccines. They really hype the stuff - one of the vaccines is promoted as the first "anti-cancer" drug, because one of the diseases it protects against on some occasions caused cancer. Then there's the whole issue where DTP vaccine was replaced with DTaP - a newer safer version - not that they ever indicated a problem with the old one.
The only conclusion I reached is that you can't trust anything the FDA or NIH have to say on these "issues". They are clearly pro-vaccination to the point of insanity.
BTW, one of the side effects we were supposed to look for with DTaP was "high fever greater than 105" which occures in 1/16000 cases. Holy crap! 105 can do serious damage to an adult. One is 16000 isn't that much, but how many will get a 104, or even 103 fever from it? It looks like they just used a higher temp to reduce the occurence rate to something more reasonable. And what's this chickenpox vaccine? Kids are supposed to get chickenpox aren't they? They make it sound like your kid will die if they don't get vaccinated. In another 50 years the public will actually believe that crap.
My kid survived her first DTaP just fine, and will continue to get injections containing foreign DNA/RNA as prescribed. There are some documented down sides to actually getting the diseases. There is probably some truth to the claims against the vaccines too, but since the government is in denial it's hard to make a valid comparison of the risks. Most the other sources on the net claim just the opposite - OMFG your kid will die or be a vegetable if they get vaccinated. Their attitude is no better than the gov.
What planet are you from? In my area there are 8 broadcast stations and many of them are just starting to figure out what subchannels are. The result? 13 distinct programs available at most times of the day - with nothing but some old rabbit ears. That's with the TV. My HD2000 card in the PC is happy to record any of it in nice digital (ATSC) format, but the reciever needs a better antenna than the TV in the other room. That's OK because the house is equiped with an attic antenna from the good old days - it's plugged into the PC. Most the stuff on TV is crap (cable included), so your insistance on paying for cable, and then paying more for digital, and more yet for HD is just beyond me.
If everyone would drop cable, some networks will pick up the few good shows that are currently only on cable. The slots are now available thanks to the subchannels of ATSC.
Gosh, in the good old days, the popular bands all wrote their own music and performed it live. You're either trolling, or one of these young whipper-snappers that doesn't know what real music is. Why should some jackass writer get revenue for life+70 years for spending 20 minutes writing some lyrics? I agree with you too - why should someone who does 20 takes in a studio followed by a lot of editing be given that same benefit for their "talent"? Same goes for studio musicians.
If someone claims to have talent, let them make a living performing. Oh right, that's what the article says is happening...
That's interesting. Does anyone know if people in these areas have genetic differences that help them survive the higher local radiation? Just because people in other HBRAs survive, does not necessarily mean it's safe for people surrounding this particular area to move back in as if nothing happened. Is there any research on this possibility? From your post it appears some people can tollerate the radition just fine. The question is, can the former inhabitants who might want to move back into this area?