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Vintage Diseases Making a Comeback
An anonymous reader writes "MSNBC has a piece on a recent resurgence in some old-timey diseases. Mumps, Whooping Cough, and Rickets are making a comeback, back in style like it's 1955." From the article: "Public-health officials certainly weren't expecting to get 'bitten' by mumps this year. Although the virus has been circulating in British kids since 2000, it hadn't caused much trouble in the United States since an outbreak in Kansas 18 years ago. The Midwest is the epicenter again, but the victims are primarily college students, not children. Once a childhood disease, the virus has now taken hold in university towns. That's partly because crowded dorms and cafeterias are breeding grounds for germs that are spread by sneezing and coughing."
Isn't MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) a standard set of vacines everyone gets before they go into school? How long are those supposed to be effective?
In a side note: the girl sitting next to me right now (at work) was gone with the mumps a couple weeks ago.
And our parents are trying to kill us.
Doesn't the UK vaccinate kids for this sort of thing? The US has shown the power of childhood vaccination programs, and only a few whackos object to it because of unfounded theories that it causes Autism/Aspergers.
The Cheese Stands Alone.
Overlay a map of illegal immigrant concentrations with out breaks of these and related outbreaks. You will notice something.
1864 Mumps: A little fruity, but solid, bold taste. Goes well with chicken (pox).
Vintage diseases huh? I guess that makes them retroviruses.
It's caused by a lack of vitamin D. Children develop Rickets, typified by "bow bones." Adults get osteomalacia, with an increase in fractures. Rickets has nothing to do with "vintage diseases." All someone has to do to prevent it is a) better diet b) multivitamin c) suntan. mumps, pertussis, etc. are a different story...
Well, the part about university students being a breeding ground for virus' and disease is nothing new. Oh wait, you said universities! Nevermind then.
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That rash is from...uhhhh....whooping cough! I swear! Would I lie to you cindy..I mean mindy?
I'm not trying at all to be alarmist, but after reading about some of the bio-weapons engineering work done in the former Soviet Union I do wonder if it's ONLY mumps (etc.) or if there is something sinister "piggybacking" on the "normal" disease.
I know, this is kind of a consipiracy theory, but an article about the research in Russia gave me pause when I saw this headline. It's not likely, but not outside the realm of possibility either.
What is needed is a program that is designed to track kids and even require them to get into schools. Until then, we will see more and more outbreaks.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Yes... all of the illegal aliens go straight into midwest universities. That's why the illness is developing there, and not in the cities / neighbourhoods with more aliens, isn't it?
Nice biassed theory, don't let reality stop you from quoting it...
Why can't
So they are infected with mumps and they cross right over the boarder, right over Texas, right over the south and settle in Iowa? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! Unless your saying they came in illegally from Canada, in which case that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Demented But Determined.
Have you done this already? Does such a reliable map exist? These outbreaks are in the midwest .. not in California or big cities.
But whatever, I suppose you wouldn't hate immigrants less if they're carrying smallpox and wiping out the native population.
Diseases?! Originating from college dorms?!?! This just can't be true!
(That's the percentage that has an STD. And that's just genital herpes...)
Yay college!
While aliens are a source of it, it would only be in them if everybody had their shots. Sadly, it is not. In fact, it is showing up in regular Americans due to several reasons.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Taking a look at some of the downmodded posts, I took one of their ideas, and took a nice overlay of (known) illegal immigrant population centers and outbreaks. The similarity? About 75% of the areas do overlap. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but it does raise interesting thoughts/possibilities.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Isn't MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) a standard set of vacines everyone gets before they go into school?
Yes, but most schools allow a waiver. In which case the parents sign away the rights to sue the school.
How long are those supposed to be effective?
As a educator, my school recommends the staff gets boosters every 10 years, due to our higher then normal exposure.
"that are spread by sneezing and coughing"
that's the new term for farking like rabbits?
there's a reason this is huge in university towns.
(not that i'm some prude against such acts, but come on, in this day in age you got to be reasonable)
These resurgences stem from the growing proportion of un-inocculated people in the U.S. When the proportion of people who are invulnerable to infection and transmission goes below a critical threshold, these diseases can spread through the population. The proportion of people who are not innoculated is growing because a calculated cost-benefits analysis reveals that it is wise to avoid some vaccines. There are some diseases that are now so rare in the U.S. that the expected health impact from the vaccine outweighs the risk of being unvaccinated in a by-and-large vaccinated society. In game theory terms, we have a game with two coalitions, Vaccinating and Non-vaccinating, and a couple hundred million players. All players will not join the Vaccinating coalition, because when the proportion of players is significantly above the critical virulence threshold, parents see an advantage to be gained in abandoning the Vaccinating coalition strategy and safeguarding the health of their children to some non-trivial degree. Given that the players in the game are going to continue to be free to choose whether to be vaccinators of their kids or not, not all people will make that choice. And not just because of some primitive superstition or political inclination, either. It's simple opportunism. The only thing that will shift the equilibrium of populations of vaccinators to non-vaccinators are environmental factors that affect each players' benefits analysis, such as: Fear - hysterical news coverage about the mumps and such Conformity Pressures - public shame upon those parents who break with the Vaccination Coalition of the Willing Misinformation - hysterical news coverage that insists that vaccinations don't have any negative health consequences Legislation - rolling back of laws that allow parents to not vaccinate, such as the one in Texas Such actions can be taken, but beg the question of whether they should be taken. Unless we are going to actually eradicate a disease, the Nash Equilibrium that results in the greatest good for society is the equilibrium set by the disease's virulence, A.K.A. only enough people get vaccinated for it to be an advantageous strategy to the rest to not get vaccinated.
Bubonic plague, now available in California!
"That's partly because crowded dorms and cafeterias are breeding grounds for germs that are spread by sneezing and coughing."
Maybe this will persuade university authorities to get off their backsides and do something about the shambles that is university accomodation - at my university it's four to a flat - I understand that people have seperate rooms, but that such a thing is not the case everywhere
http://newsroom.hrsa.gov/speeches/southwestborder. htm
If U.S. territory within 100 kilometers of the border were a state, its 11 million residents would rank:
* last in access to health care, with about 30% of the population uninsured;
* second in deaths due to hepatitis; and
* third in deaths related to diabetes.
Rates of several serious communicable diseases are far higher there:
* tuberculosis along the border is six times the national rate;
* measles and mumps are twice the national rate; and
* HIV/AIDS is spreading rapidly, especially in the California sector.
I got Whooping cough last year for about 5 months. Man did that suck. You can't sleep well at all. You wake up all the time not being able to breath. The bigger problem is that my Dr. didn't believe me and thought I had a bunch of other problems until the CDC sent out a letter. Anyway, the basic problem, I think, is that the shots I got back in the early 70's last only 30 years. So guess what. It's 30 (well 29) years later, and I got it, almost 29 years to the day that I got the shot.
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The author the report further states, " In 2003, nearly 26 percent of foreign-born TB patients in the United States were from Mexico ".
The author also warns, "Federal data suggest that as many as 10 percent of the approximately 1,000 Mexicans who emigrate to the United States daily probably are infected with Chagas , said Dr. Louis V. Kirchhoff, a Chagas specialist and a professor at the University of Iowa's medical school". Chagas is fatal and kills you via a set of debilitating chronic conditions which manifest themselves decades after initial infection.
And, #4, some parents believe that the thimerosal (a mercury-containing organic compound) that was present in most vaccines (but is now present in only a few - such as inactivated influenza) was responsible for the meteoric rise in autism rates. Thimerosal is a preservative, and the CDC and FDA do not believe it has any connection to autism. However, many parents refuse to vaccine their kids out of the fear that their might be a connection. This is even more likely to be true in families where relatives have autism - as autism (or at least some forms of it) definitely does have a genetic component. And, of course, families that have relatives with autism are more likely to have heard of the thimerosal theory. (I say theory, not myth, because I'm not 100% sure that there isn't something to it. Time should help answer those questions since the decision to drop thimerosal from most vaccines should result in a drop in autism if thimerosal was a contributing factor to it.)
Oh, and even though thimerosal is not present in vaccines such as MMR, there are still parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids on the theory that it could have been something else in the vaccines that was responsible. Timing is no doubt one culprit here, as autism does not usually surface until 2-3 years old, although I am aware of one child whose brother had autism who had it diagnosed prior to his first birthday.
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They're also bringing in drug resistant Tuberculosis (it costs about 250,000 to cur it, and takes about 2 years), Leprosy (we had about 700 cases in the previous 40 years. There were about 7,000 in the last 3), Malaria, and Chagas Disease (no cure, and it's infecting our blood supply), and other previously unknown diseases.
Using paragraphs makes something like this much more readable. You should use 'em in the future. :)
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You never have mod points when you need them. :-)
If there's one thing that make me want to kick people in the teeth, it's seeing them cough wetly with their mouths gaping open in public places.
Bonus: In the teeth with steel-toed boots if, after you tell them nicely to put their hands in front of their mouth, they claim they are "not contagious anymore".
I think the japs have it right: Face mask for the sick.
You can't take the sky from me...
Rickets used to be very common before they started adding vitamin D to milk. My father had ribs that didn't quite line up because of a childhood case.
They didn't call rickets an "infectious disease", they called it an old disease that is making a resurgence.
From the article:
"As if they didn't have their hands full with mumps and whooping cough, doctors are also starting to worry about other blasts from the past. National statistics haven't been collected, but many papers in the medical literature argue that rickets--a vitamin deficiency long thought to be a relic of the 19th century--is increasing among African-American and Hispanic kids, particularly in the North. Doctors blame it on everything from an increase in breast-feeding (breast milk doesn't contain much vitamin D) to the overuse of sunscreen (the body needs ultraviolet light to produce the vitamin).
Light a fire for a man and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Plague has been around for a LONG time. In fact, one of the hottest spots in the world for it, is Colorado. That is why the branch is located at CDC-Ft. Collins.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The Washington Times is a right-wing tabloid, and this is exactly the type of BS they are known to spew. Are you going to start posting articles from the Weekly World News next?
Then why the absense of veneral diseases?
More likely the reason is that unis cramp as many people into 4x4 yards room as they can without having troubles with PETA 'cause they have less room than laying hens.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
F34r teh mumps! This is one disease I'm glad I got when i was a child. I'm most likely immune to getting it again. As an adult male, these knots can result in orchitis (inflammation of the testicles.) I had a friend in college get it and he said it felt like he was kicked in the balls and the pain wouldnt go away. Have fun with that.
If U.S. territory within 100 kilometers of the border were a state, its 11 million residents would rank:
..has this to do with environment? Ok whatever .. you found an anomaly. What's the numbers for toenail fungus prevalence?
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.. you hate these people and you'll interpret whatever half ass "science" and "statistics" to favor you. You'd hate them regardless of what they're carrying. "No room in the inn" is the phrase we're hearing. "Reject the lepers". Etc.
* last in access to health care, with about 30% of the population uninsured;
Ok, how is this a disease they're importing?
* second in deaths due to hepatitis; and
Which state is first?
* third in deaths related to diabetes.
Which state is first and second. Also DIABETES IS NOT CONTAGOUS! Are you ignorant? Actually these deaths are more than likely because these people don't have access to diagnosis treatment (caused by lack of access to health insurance and would explain the hepatitis stat too).
Rates of several serious communicable diseases are far higher there:
* tuberculosis along the border is six times the national rate;
Which state has the most
* measles and mumps are twice the national rate; and
Who's first? Also, as proven above they dont have access to health care insurance
* HIV/AIDS is spreading rapidly, especially in the California sector.
Mexico has a lower HIV prevalence than the United States!
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos
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Anyway whatever
Not all illegal aliens are here to steal! They may have broken the law (ever speed?), but it's a) it's a misdemeanor b) they are seeking to work and improve their family's lives while providing a service
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Leviticus 19:10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:33 "'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 10:18 He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing.
Jeremiah 7:6 if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm,
Jeremiah 22:3 This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Matthew 25:
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
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18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
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He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
Did anyone else first read the title as "Venereal Diseases Making a Comeback?" :/
The immune system is an unstable beast. Get it confused, and it kills or maims you.
Without the benefit of technology or even neurons, the immune system must somehow learn to attack the right things. Don't destroy the skin. Don't destroy the ear. Destroy the mumps virus. Don't destroy the pancreas. Destroy bacteria in the heart. Keep the intestinal bacteria from getting out, but don't destroy the intestines while doing so.
Now, you poke this unstable beast. Most likely you get the desired result. There is a decent chance that nothing happens at all. Sometimes, the unstable beast goes into a fit of rage and decides that nerve cells are evil, maybe because there was a nerve cell found at the injection site or, well, "just because". Maybe it decides that the liver is an alien parasite growing in your chest.
There are plenty of military examples. The famous one was a female Apache pilot. (bias? no, of course this never happens to males...) She never flew again.
A vaccine is only good if the benefit exceeds the risk. Risk depends on your exposure to the disease and your general health. A kid in a low-cost L.A. daycare center has far more risk than a kid growing up in an isolated community of people who value personal space and extreme sanitation, but far less risk than a malnourished kid in a refugee camp. Evaluate your risk.
A slew of illigal immigrants from the poorest countries in the latin America are coming across our borders without passing any medical tests. Since they come from the poorest regions and have not had any sort of innoculations, they're the perfect carriers for these diseases.
There is just one problem. What is alienw's source for his refutation?
That's why we should grant them permanent residency. Proper documentation makes it easier to get health care, including treatment and proper immunizations for children.
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I will respect you enough to merely consider your remarks as "uneducated" rather than either an ignoramous or a troll.
Illegal aliens that cross the USA's southern border, including Mexicans (largest percentage),
Latin Americans, East Asians including those from China, Korea, Indonesia, and Phillipines,
West Asians including those from India and Pakistan, Africans, and Arabs all migrate to
all parts of the USA, including along the USA's northern border.
The web is a great tool for gathering news and information, if one should decide to dedicate
some time and effort instead of a knee-jerk reaction. News aggregators such as www.cis.org,
google, and yahoo have had links to local news stories about public outcry over Mexican
day laborers in such places as Idaho, West Virginia, and New Hampshire, Mexican document
mills run in such places as Washington, Tennessee, and Georgia, MS-13 gang activity in such
far-flung locales as Arkansas, Iowa, and Maine.
Please engage the tools available on the internet prior to unthoughtful posts.
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At the same time, we eliminate Mexican politicians (by forcing them to resign) who enact policies that destroy the Mexican economy. Mexican society is a substantial fail. Mexican society is a failed society. The Mexican people, without aggressive and invasive American intervention, cannot build a successful society. The Mexicans (and the Indians) are a failed, substandard people.
The right way to fix the illegal-alien problem is to impose a workable solution on Mexican society.
I can find plenty of lies and hype on both sides of this. Can you?
Check the domain registrations for $DISEASE.com some time. I did. Hmmm...
Sure. You go plant the WMDs in Tijuana and I'll go notify the Post. We'll have the country on our side in no time.
Bonsai Kitten: TNG
Why do pale-skinned people live in Arizona and Utah? Do they like skin cancer?
Why do dark-skinned people live in Chicago and Detroit? Do they like Rickets?
If we ever get around to genetically engineering a fix: make the body produce Vitamin D in a sane way, and either reflect the excess light with silvery skin or re-emit it with fluorescent skin. Absorbing the UV just turns it into heat, which is lame.
Unfortunately, the Mexican and Indian moderators have denoted the SlashDot article as "overrated". That's Mexican and Indian, for ya.
But he didn't make that assertion. He didn't have anything whatsoever to say about the article or what it says or means. He seems to be changing the subject.
I cried real tears when Li Mu Bai died.
I guess we're getting this story now because people wised-up about "Bird Flu". Which, of course, was the successor to the short-lived "Super Volcanos" scare, which was itself the successor to the "World-ending Asteroid" scare story.
It's not that the stories themselves are complete nonsense, it's the way that they are handled. It's as if each one is the focus of world attention for a few weeks, then COMPLETELY disappearing when the ratings drop. Then a short intermission, and the next one comes along with more hype than the last.
I sure am glad that asteroids and bird flu aren't a threat anymore (who fixed them, BTW?), and I can focus on being scared by this new thing.
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Rickets??
That's Vitamin D deficiency. That's not an infectious disease --- that's people having a panic about suntans and fat in the diets. Let kids have regular whole milk (which is Vitamin D enriched) and play in the sun without dipping them in sunscreen and it'll go away.
Unfortunately, the Mexican and Indian moderators have moderated the SlashDot article as "overrated". That's Mexican and Indian, for ya.
In WI, it doesn't take much to prove residency and get the "in-state" rates for the University of Wisconsin system. Between that and the various financial aid programs, you'd actually be surprised how many kids are the children of immigrants and going to colleges. Even here in the midwest.
Milwaukee, for example, has a very large population of Mexican immigrants in the SE part of the city. For example, the 13th Street Viaduct is called the longest bridge in the world....because it connects Mexico to Africa. (large black population is in the NE part of the city)
The diseases of yesteryear are infecting the workers of tommorow! How Ironic!
My bet is they're praying rather than immunizing.
Unfortunately, the Mexican and Indian moderators have moderated the SlashDot article as "overrated". That's Mexican and Indian, for ya.
Excellent point, and an excellent reason to SECURE our borders and stop the flow of illegal invaders.
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Mumps is considerably worse as an adult than as a kid; notably, there is a chance (if a small one) that it can leave you sterile. Vaccinate your kids...
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I'm a law student at the University of Kansas, where the outbreak hit a few weeks ago.
The outbreak hit despite the school's immunization policy, which has always required proof of two vaccinations against MMR.
It would seem, as a previous commenter suggests, and as some news reports corroborate, that the outbreak is affecting those already vaccinated.
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Most of the current cases have been among people who were vaccinated. But that doesn't mean the vaccine has become less effective, Seward said.
No vaccine is capable of protecting everyone who receives it, she said. Five percent to 10 percent of people vaccinated for the mumps will fail to gain immunity.
These are probably the people who are becoming ill.
"The mumps vaccine is still protecting huge numbers of people," Seward said. "We would expect thousands of people to get sick if there wasn't good immunity in the community."
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-The Kansas City Star
Yep, retrovirus. Except, when MSNBC is writing about it, it's a self-referential document.
Where is your hypertext link?
Doctor Michael Savage? You mean Doctor of nutrition science, right?
I'll ask my mechanic for medical advice first, thanks.
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Whole milk vs. skim milk doesn't make a difference - it's vitamin-enriched milk vs. non-vitamin-enriched milk, and milk-drinking vs. non-milk-drinking. But a lot of the problem is that rather than educating the population about getting enough vitamins, the public health folks are doing top-down solutions like drugging milk, grains, salt, and drinking water, and making monocultural assumptions about how effective that is. Some African-Americans, most East Asians, and some other ethnic groups don't generally drink milk the way those of us with Northern European ancestry do, because they have trouble digesting it, so vitamin-enriching milk isn't very helpful, in spite of the US dairy industry's attempt to get everybody to drink milk. (I've seen articles on the net suggesting that various ethnic groups, particularly Europeans, have inherited mutations that make cow milk more digestable than in standard humans. I'm not sure which African groups have trouble with it - I'd expect that cattle-herding societies like much of north-eastern Africa would also be able to digest milk well, so maybe it's more regional.)
And then there's sun-screen - Black people bring their own, and living in cities in the North as opposed to farms in the South or Africa cuts down a lot on sunshine. Recent articles have suggested that Europeans and light-skinned Asians have separate mutations for the Vitamin D bit that let their ancestors move north.
Bill Stewart
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What does your claim tell us? That you don't care to look at actual facts. You have your set of preconceptions, and are on the lookout for facts that confirm it.
Are you adequate?
I'm not refuting the claim, you fucktard. I'm pointing out the xenophobic spin. Read the statement:
In 2003, nearly 26 percent of foreign-born TB patients in the United States were from Mexico
First, is TB a significant problem in the US? It's not. Second, we are only looking at foreign-born patients -- given that the vast majority of immigrants in the US are from Mexico, 26 percent is a rather small number. So what's your point again, you racist shitbag?
The immune system is an unstable beast.
Insects alone inject so many different proteins into you during your lifetime that if each exposure to a new protein carried a big risk, everybody would have immune system problems. In reality, malfunctions of the immune system tend to be due to specific defects, not some sort of general instability, as you claim.
A vaccine is only good if the benefit exceeds the risk.
Except when there are known medical reasons against vaccination, the benefit always exceeds the risk for childhood vaccinations. That's no accident, it's the result of a long approval process that looks at exactly this question in detail.
No, it doesn't raise any of your thoughts. You already had the thoughts in question beforehand, and you feel whatever correlation you have in mind justifies you in what you've believed all along. That's very different.
Now, there are facts you could seek out that would seriously support or disconfirm your expectations. You could actually look for real statistics correlating the incidence of various diseases with factors such as ethnicity, gender, social class, population density, and so on. However, you clearly do not care to do so, because you are only interested in "evidence" that merely sounds as if it might confirm what you want to believe.
Meanwhile, in actual public health circles, there is a discussion going on about what has been called the "Latino Health Paradox." This is a collection of facts that a number of people have measured, indicating that Mexican immigrants to the USA, overall, tend to be in better health that the American population at large. Here's, for example, a New Republic article on the phenomenon.
Are you adequate?
Terror only works if you manage to "inform" the victim that they're attacked. What's terror good for if there's no panic? Panic is one of the key goals of terror.
Imagine 911 would have gone unnoticed. Ok, hard to do, but let's imagine. 3000 people dead. Now, if you take gunfights, accidents and all those other opportunities to loose your life prematurely into account, you get a WAY higher number when you only count the deaths of a year, in the US alone.
And it's not like Al Quaida blew up a building per month, now did they?
Now, while it was certainly quite unpleasant, if you only take the body count into account, it was not really something to write home about.
So what's the big deal about it? The big deal is that an outside force attacked the USA. That's it, in a nutshell. And that's what created the panic. Not that people died. Not that 2 (actually a few more) buildings crumbled. But that some outsider could do it.
Now imagine nobody would've noticed. Imagine Al Quaida wouldn't have stood up and said "Yeah, it's us over here. We did it." It would've been brushed off as the actions of some loonatics. Clever loonatics. Well prepared loonies, but loonies.
So what is a bio attack good for if there's no panic? It's not like you can kill a sizable portion of the US population that way. At least not enough to actually cause any weakening of its. commercial or military power. If any place, such a "sneaky" attack would have to occur to its military forces. But a civilian attack without an accompanying message to create the panic is pointless.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I thought it was humans that were the disease of the planet...
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
Polio's a much different problem. It's still out there in the wild, and while most of the world has been innoculated against it, there are places that haven't been. The most serious outbreaks have been in Nigeria, where a bunch of evil stupid self-aggrandizing demagogue politicians have been telling their people not to get vaccinated because the vaccine is a Western Christian CIA Whitey plot against African Muslims and will do Terrrrible Awfulllll things to their children like sterilize them or give them AIDS. That's led to thousands of children being crippled by a disease that's easily preventable, and keeps the disease circulating where it's more likely to infect people who weren't successfully vaccinated (either because they didn't have access to the vaccine or because it was randomly ineffective with them or they got a bad vaccine batch or whatever, or because they've got AIDS or other problems compromising their immune systems.)
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Soon we'll all be getting vague Victorian maladies, and things like Consumption, and taking a trips to the warmer climes on doctor's orders..
A lot of these childhood diseases actually help strengthen the immune system. Here is an article from The Lancet, which explains that, while the measles vaccine does stop you from getting a rash...the rash is actually the body killing the virus. By stopping the rash, many vaccinated people get MUCH MORE SERIOUS diseases later on in life because they still have the virus, but because of the vaccine, the body can't get rid of it. The biggest majority of these diseases are a pain, but rarely life threatening. I would much rather have measles than lupus erythematosus, Scheurmann's diseases and chondromalacia, which are all chronic degenerative diseases...which means the doctor says, "it sucks to be you." -- Usurper_ii
More info:
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An article in the January 5, 1985 issue of The Lancet is titled "Measles Virus Infection Without Rash in Childhood is Related to Disease in Adult Life." The research, based in Denmark, investigated the histories of people who claimed they did not have measles when they were children. Many of these people with no measles rash as a child, however, were found to have in their bloodstream antibody evidence of the measles infection. Significant numbers of these people had been vaccinated for measles, and "A high proportion of such individuals were found in adult life to have developed immuno-reactive diseases such as sebacious skin disease, tumours and degenerative disease of the bone and cartridge. These included cervical cancer, skin cancers and cases of multiple sclerosis."
The fact that the normal progression of measles was halted by the vaccination appears to have prevented the body from destroying the measles virus. This destruction of the virus takes place in the "spots" for which measles is known, but when the vaccine prevents the spots and fever from occurring, the measles virus is not destroyed, and stays in the body through adulthood, the medical journal article explains.
The Lancet article is further quoted by Chaitow, concluding that, "If this association is correct, absence of a rash may imply that intracellular virus escapes neutralization during the acute infection, and this, in turn, might give rise to developmental disease subsequently."
"Put simply this means that, as part of the process of neutralizing the invading virus, the body literally 'burns' up the cells which contain (measles virus). This incineration takes place at the site of the spots or rash, which measles are known for. If this is stopped in some way (as by an inoculation with a vaccine) then the rash is prevented and the virus survives and lives on in the body, only to cause havoc later," Chaitow writes. Among these people vaccinated for measles and who did not have a rash, the diseases they displayed later in life included lupus erythematosus, Scheurmann's diseases and chondromalacia, which are all chronic degenerative diseases.
"This research confirms the worst fears of those who have speculated on the possibility of viruses remaining dormant for many years after immunization. It also shows the folly of suppressing a self-healing mechanism, such as is displayed by the healthy body in response to infection. A healthy child will suffer no ill-effects from infection by measles virus. A child whose immune function has been modified and impaired by immunization methods, will be unable to adequately deal with such a virus, and may later suffer chronic degenerative disease, of one sort or another. This is no longer mere speculation but is, of course, not proved beyond all doubt. However, there is sufficient evidence to allow for the calling of a halt to the direction in which immunization is taking the human race, and to ask for emphasis to be restored to that aspect of the defense mechanism which has been neglected, the nutritional effort which can boost defenses without harmful potentials," Chaitow suggests.
And the British author concludes, "We have seen earlier that the possibility exists for transfer of genetic material from viruses in the body, to the cells of the body, thus altering their code and their future pattern of reproduction. If malignant changes are part of that new genetic code, then that is what will be produced as the cell reproduces."
Ron Paul
This is another example of Bush Administration scaremongering that contradicts their other propaganda. The scaremongers keep talking about bird flu "acquiring the ability to spread from human to human". But what does that mean? It means "evolving", even though the Bushie Pandering-to-the-religious-right policy is to encourage them to deny evolution and keep them isolated from the rest of the marketplace of ideas.
But it's not just Darwinian Evolution - it's Lysenkoist Evolution. Those bird flu germs aren't just randomly aquiring traits that might cause a problem some day - they're actively trying to find ways to attack the human race and compromise our Precious Bodily Fluids. So even if you slip off-message and notice that there's evolution involved, it's still a Threat To Your Family that needs a Powerful Paternalistic Government to protect you and your family from Evil.
(Yes, this is somewhat off-topic from the main article thread, but it does seem pretty tightly connected here.)
Bill Stewart
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Allow me to quote more shocking statistics from that report. Namely, " the American Red Cross estimates that nationally, the risk of a blood donor having antibodies to Chagas or being infected with the disease is 1 in 25,000. The risk is 1 in 5,400 in Los Angeles and 1 in 9,000 in Miami. The Red Cross says it will begin screening donors for Chagas, once a suitable test is found ." Chagas is a fatal disease that has no known cure. Due to the presence of Mexican illegal aliens (of whom about 10 percent are infected with Chagas), if you live in Los Angeles, you are 5 times more likely to die.
" Federal data suggest that as many as 10 percent of the approximately 1,000 Mexicans who emigrate to the United States daily probably are infected with Chagas, said Dr. Louis V. Kirchhoff, a Chagas specialist and a professor at the University of Iowa's medical school. "
Now, let's move onto tuberculosis. " The report found that people from outside the United States accounted for 53.3 percent of all new tuberculosis cases in this country in 2003. That was up from fewer than 30 percent in 1993. In 2003, nearly 26 percent of foreign-born TB patients in the United States were from Mexico. " Note that 0.3 * 0.533 = 0.1599. In other words, about 16% of all new tuberculosis cases in the United States is due to Mexicans aliens.
The attitude expressed by alienw (585907) is widespread in Mexico and other failed societies. alienw (585907)'s kind of attitude is precisely the kind of attitude that has destroyed the society of Mexico. alienw (585907), Mexicans, and Indians reject science in favor of racist bigotry and race "power". What matters to alienw (585907) and his ilk is espousing raw racist bigotry in the name of "Hispanic Power".
My wife caught pertussis (whooping cough) within the last couple of years. We were scared shitless about any new babies we may have contacted (only one, fine now, thank God). There were at least 400 cases in our state, but she was among the thousands not included in that number.
Here's what the doc said about innoculations and why the don't work as well as they used to: Several years ago, they made the switch to the "safer" acellular pertussis vaccines. They're safer in the sense that per every 1,000,000 vaccinated, there are fewer bad effects (illness and death). But these vaccines are also weaker, so the total amount of pertussis (bacterial load) within the population has increased dramatically. So now we have outbreaks.
What I took away was that if we had the vintage vaccines back to treat the vintage pertussis, her illness may never have happened, but there may be somewhere between 1 and 5 per million vaccinated dead or seriously ill who are fine today.
BTW: Pertussis leaves a heavy burden of toxins that remain long after the bacterial are all gone. It's awful. I simply can't describe how nasty it is to have a bad hack for 3 months. It exhausts a body. It can kill a baby who catches it. The one thing that provided any relief was a shot of vodka after supper and before bed. The doc agreed that was the best known treatment for non-alcoholics.
In a time when people don't trust "the big drug companies" and "the government coverups of the mercury", or believe in some sort of higher power, or taking minute doses of chicken farts or similar as a way to "boost your immune system", and in a culture where causality is for losers, is anyone surprised that overall immunity to these trivial diseases is dropping, leading to an upswing in outbreaks?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
How many sexeses you wan'? I no talk about genders...I mean essense of sexualses...essenses that only the brain melanin gives you the vibrations for. you wan' 5 sexeses? 6 sexeses? Or do you just wan' one sexeses, honky?
You just repeated what I read in the other posts, nothing new other than you titled it "Game Theory" and turned it into win/lose terms.
Game Theory can talk about certain things and sound all official and elite, but in the end, it's not that useful. Shut the fuck up and go to some other trendy bullshit ok?
I can completely understand this. Not only does all the promiscuity cause all sorts of nasty diseases to get passed around (such that everyone is deathly ill by week 3), there are a lot of "vintage" viruses and worms running around the network such as Blaster & variants (thought to have been eliminated by the rpc patch).
One of the steps in the process of LEGALLY migrating to the United States of America is a health examination. With 5,000 illegal aliens crossing the southern border of my state every day (according to Tuscon Sector Border Patrol reports), we have a population of foreign nationals bypassing our first line of defense against the diseases that, despite being largely eradicated in the USA since the 1950s, continue to affect the third world to this day. Diseases such as tuberculosis are making a big comeback throughout the heartland of America, and especially in border regions.
So when these criminal aliens march down the streets of your city tomorrow demanding civil rights and other entitlements, remember that these people are putting you and your fellow citizens at risk. Not because they are all filthy disease carriers but simply because the kind of vaccination programs we have in place to control disease here don't exist in their country of origin. It would be one thing if this country closed it's borders and prevented new immigrants from moving here, but we _do_ have an established immigration process designed to prevent new immigrants from unknowingly importing a disease that will affect the lives of our citizens. With over 70 visitor and guest worker programs already on the books and immigration policies that enable you to become a legal resident on the path to citizenship within a few years, we should hold no sympathy for the illegal aliens who are now demanding special rights under the law.
Your basic rights are threatened by every foreign national who chooses to ignore our laws. These people threaten your rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not only when they unknowingly carry in a drug-resistant strain of tuberculosis, infecting you or your family, and destroying your dreams but also when increasing the burdens on your children's school district and vote to raise your property taxes beyond your ability to afford your own house.
Something to think about, anyway..
I enjoyed the article you linked, but the chagas numbers don't make any sense. Another quote in the article claims that 15 million people in latin america are "suffering" from chagas. And Wikipedia claims that 18 million people in latin america are "affected" by chagas. Also according to wikipedia, there are 100 million people in Mexico. Then if the entire 15 million people infected (assuming "affected" and "suffering" means infected) with Chagas are in mexico, that is only 15% of the mexican population. It doesn't make any sense to me that 10% of the mexican aliens could have chagas. My guess is someone is being imprecisely quoted here. I wonder if 10% is an upper limit (the quote does say "as many as"), which would mean that not more than 10% are infected, but it could be much lower. That seems much more sane. Also, sorry to nit pick, but this doesn't make you 5X more likely to die of you live in LA; it just makes you 5 times more likely to get blood infected with Chagas if you get blood from an anonymous doner.
Lefties should watch how casually they fling that word around. It's losing its sting, in fact I have got to the point that I'm no longer personally offended to be called a racist. To the contrary, it usually means that I am embarrassingly correct in my observations. An accusation of racism has become nothing more than playground prattle from a left-wing dimwit who is losing an argument with a conservative.
If everyone to the right of Joe Lieberman is a racist, then nobody is. I think that we need a "racism" corollary to Godwin's Law, because that is usually a sign that someone has nothing more of value to add to the discussion.
-ccm
Too much Law; not enough Order.
Damn you and your calm, reasonable attitude! Without fear and panic, we have nothing! Nothing I tell you!
I don't expect a hick like you to know that. But it pleases me greatly to see your natural selection weeding out your gene pool due to utter ignorance.
I pity your children though. But noo doubt a lack of education is bliss.
Good sir, I think you don't really understand immunisation. I recommend reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity for a tiny introduction.
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Have a look at this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rubella-us-196
which shows how when you immunise children you can start to wipe out diseases. That was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine
I think just reading that would be fine. I realise that you feel insulted about immunising against STDs etc, but please realise that the need to reduce STDs world wide is bigger than your pride. STDs are one of the most serious problems facing society.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The trypanosome (a protozoan) can definitely spread in blood transfusions. There are three pages of papers about this topic on PubMed. Transfusion-associated Chagas' disease has been recognized for decades.
Seems to me that a little xenophobia and fearmongering on this particular issue is not only justifiable, but praiseworthy. Thumb-sucking multi-culti wish-mongering won't make the problem go away.
I will graciously accept your apology whenever you think you're ready to handle the truth.
-ccm
Too much Law; not enough Order.
I am currently into my 8th month taking Isoniazid because I tested positive for TB the last time I was tested. I had TB in my joints, and got it either from the immigrants I work closely with (in construction) or from eating queso fresco (cheese) in Mexican restaurants and used in food made in the "Taco Trucks' common here in California.
There have been several outbreaks of TB associated with the soft fresh cheeses used in Mexican restaurants, some leading to deaths (take a Google). While TB is virtually non-existent is US cattle, only about half of Mexican cattle are vaccinated. It is illegal to make cheese from non-pasturized milk in the US, and illegal to import it. Of course those who are in the country illegally are unlikely to worry about violating rules about cheese when they need cheese for a quesadilla.
I can only hope that the variety I have is not one of the ones that is resistant to the currently used antibiotics.
Why is it racist to note that diseases once virtually non-existent in the US are making a comeback, and that immigration is *one* of the causes?
(Please note that nothing I have said above it any way indicates my race(s)).
Welcome to the wonderful world of massive illegal immigration and multiculturalism. Can you say *leprosy*? On a huge comeback now. Tuberculosis? How about hepatitis?
These are *food workers* in a lot of cases, people handling your food, on farms, in restaurants and kitchens, in the grocery stores. Going to school with your kids. Overwhelming the local hospitals. Just remember that on monday with the big rallies and all the news reports leaving out that one critical word-ILLEGAL. I just read several news articles in a row, NONE of them used the word illegal in front of the word immigrant, all the major large main stream news sources from the networks. Immigration is NOT the issue, rampant out of control second worlding of the US IS the issue, with the massive ILLEGAL immigration. CRITICAL DIFFERENCE HERE.
We are losing 50 years or more of expensive and hard fought national improved health, and an overall good increase in the middle class and nice drops in poverty. It was working, UNTIL around 6 years ago when the massive waves began. Want to talk "terrorism"? How about over 300,000 armed criminal gang members from the illegals? Legit stats, look it up! That's real terrorism right here in river city, not osama bin forgotten over in rock and sandville half a planet away.
Legal immigrants, a slow, steady, well thought out number, a *controlled* number, vetted, health inspected, criminal background check, useful skills and etc? Committed to learn english and not demanding their "native tongue" everywhere they go, just because they are bullies? Sure! We can take some, good idea, a little mixing it up is good, but not untold millions and millions with no end in sight, that has been and continues to be *quite insane*.
I don't want to hear "but we are a nation of immigrants!" etc noise, this ISN'T the wild wild west years with near unlimited free land and "wide open spaces" anymore, it's a totally different scene from the 1800s.
Illegals by the MILLIONS?? No! And we HAD an amnesty in 1986, a full complete amnesty for all the illegals, the government promised-and there are laws on the books, to ENFORCE the immigration laws at that time. What happened? Why do we have two hundred thousand expensive military people overseas guarding OTHER NATION'S BORDERS, and we can't do that here?
Just remember, YOU pay for it, higher local property taxes for schools and police, much higher medical costs because YOU are paying for them, because the cheap scumbags who hire them won't provide insurance, higher car insurance costs, higher lower end housing costs, and etc, and driving down wages to the point that millions of native born are struggling with two paychecks just to get by, in competition with people who just don't care who they screw, who they put out, what impact they have on the system. Want to know the dirty little economic secret? Illegals don't contribute to the economic well being of society as a whole, the entire first generation of illegals cost the US 55,000$ APIECE! there is no "payback" for an entire generation, all it does is make a few already wealthy people wealthier, THAT'S IT, and YOU pay for it.
If their old place was so snazzy, their "culture" all that superior, WHY do they need to leave and come here? shouldn't it be just paqradise on earth, the way you hear the gushing multiculturalists expound on it? So where is it, not seeing it?
Want to make it so they can stay home, make something of their own nations? VOTE against globalism, VOTE AND LOBBY against those politicians on the left or right who make excuses that shipping good jobs overseas is "good" or that importing illegals by the millions for the other jobs is somehow "good", when it clearly isn't. IF their globalism was working, we WOULDN'T have the planets largest ever debt! If globalism worked, why do legitimate kids born in the US have an automatic DEBT they will be forced to pay? We do we now have a savings rate that is LOWER than during the height of the Great Depression? why
Just to head off any confusion about MMR and autism...
No connection has ever been shown between autism and the MMR vaccine. In fact, there have been numerous epidemiologic studies and retrospective studies that have conclusively shown that there is no connection (A US study showed that the number of autism cases increased even when the number of MMR vaccinations administered decreased. A British study showed that the number of autism cases did not increase after the introduction of the MMR vaccine in 1988). The only reason this ever became a concern is because the first signs of autism typically present around the same time that the first MMR shot is administered (12-15 months). This is simply a coincidence.
Unfortunately, many parents have bought into the rumor and hype about the possible connection and have therefore chosen not to have their children vaccinated. The fear associated with these diseases has also dramatically decreased as many people living today have never seen a case. Thus, parents are less motivated to ensure vaccination in their children and the overall percentage of the population that has been vaccinating is gradually decreasing. This opens the window for reemergence of these diseases.
As for wiping out diseases, you can only count diseases with huge ongoing efforts in places like Somolia and Nigeria. That would be polio currently. Even then, see game theory.
Come to think of it, vaccinating (and hopefully immunizing) my baby against an STD is worse than saying my daughter will be a dumb slut. It's saying that I would allow or cause her to be raped as a baby. Eeeeew.
Almost every industrialized nation has some form of universal healthcare.
In America, in contrast, 60% of people have no medical coverage, and many have no paid sick leave and little vacation time.
This means that when poor people get a disease like TB, whooping cough or bubonic plague, they can't get any effective treatment, and can't afford to take time off work. So they carry on getting the bus and coughing and sneezing through the day, and infect lots of other people.
Remember that TB was eradicated by putting sufferers in sanitoriums, isolating them and giving them rest and whatever other treatments proved helpful. Your average McDonalds worker can't afford to spend 3 weeks in a sanitorium, so enjoy your burger.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
In what must have been an enjoyable study... :-)
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patients with an auto-immune-related intestinal problem were given worm eggs to drink. The results were dramatically positive. Gut worms are good for you.
If we ever eliminate disease, we'll all need to take immune suppression drugs.
You are conveniently leaving out the possible correlation between debilitating gold rush era diseases (such as the cholera and inappropriate teen-2- peer choice behaviors.
It's too early to tell, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that those college kids that have come down with the mumps had engaged in littering, loitering, latering, lootering, and other things that cause inappropriate teen-2-peer choice behaviors.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
I had to go through a fairly extensive medical as part of my US immigration. I had to fly down to london to meet with their embassy doctor. I had to bring my full vaccination records (and catch up on a couple of late ones), i was checked for HIV and possibly other blood diseases and I was given a chest x-ray to check for tb.
:)
I'm probably better vaccinated than most US citizens
I blame my cirrosis of the liver on drinking too many margaritas. Damn illegal Mexicans!
Given that the average student probably had a fake driver's license to get drunk a couple of years back, it would quite suprising if there are not a few fake MMR certs out there.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Wow. I like how you equate a mild form of a disease with a physical assault of power, malice and aggression in order to demonise a process which you (are free to) dislike.
I was reading this in the doctors office this evening in Newsweek, and BAM, it's on /. What's up with that?
Getting the full vaccination series against hepatitis A and B, as an adult, is a good idea. It's a hassle, because it takes three separate injections (five if you get them as separate vaccines), but the protection is quite good. It's a genetically engineered vaccine, not a live-virus one, so side effects are unlikely.
In America, in contrast, 60% of people have no medical coverage
That sounds suspiciously like a figure you pulled out of your ass. So, I checked with the National Coalition on Health Care (a nonprofit which advocates universal government health care, BTW), and according to them almost 16% of the US population had no health insurance in 2004. Nowhere close to 60%, and even 16% may be overstating the case.
In any case, lack of universal health care has precisely nothing to do with the recent resurgence of tuberculosis. The US almost completely wiped out TB without the help of government health insurance. The only reason it's back now is thanks to the influx of immigration from countries less interested in maintaining their public health, as the grandparent post suggested.
There certainly is something the government can do to help, but creating a nationalized health care bureaucracy isn't it. The federal government is just about capable of building a wall and digging a few ditches, given the political will; but keep the bureaucrats out of my personal health decisions, thanks.
Vaccines usually wear off. They are also less effective when given before the immune system is well developed. If STD protection is needed, why give the vaccine so early? I know people lose their virginity early these days, but dear my! (besides, my kids will be nerds)
Maybe some company wants to sell a second dose when it is shown that the early doses wear off. Maybe the idea is to just assume that the mother has an STD. (now THAT is really offensive too) Maybe the idea is that, while recovering from birth, the family won't question why an STD vaccine is required for a tiny baby.
The needs of the many . . .
... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about.
Rickets are becoming more common in Australia also. The message that too much sun is bad for you (slip slop & slap) got through, now kids aren't getting enough. Added to which they are probably spending more time indoors in front of the idiot box and computers. It also affects elderly people in nursing homes.
I wank in the shower.
The author the report further states, " In 2003, nearly 26 percent of foreign-born TB patients in the United States were from Mexico ".
Also from the article: "The report found that people from outside the United States accounted for 53.3 percent of all new tuberculosis cases in this country in 2003."
So the 26% figure is of the 53% of cases that involved foreign-born people - which means the percentage of all TB cases that are from Mexican-born patients is 14%.
As for Chagas: The only significant ways of contracting the disease are through an insect vector, to a baby from its mother, and through blood transfusions and organ donations. If it is a major concern, perhaps donors from Latin American countries should not be allowed to donate until a suitable screening test is available for the disease. That will ensure that there is a very miniscule chance of contracting it even among those who have blood transfusions.
A list of diseases making a come back:
- Possessed by as ghost
- A little midget living in your stomach
- Selling your soul (most characteristic: you start believing Earth isn't flat and start doubting it's the center of the world)
- Going blind when you... uhmm you know.
4 weeks ago for a week and a half. It sucked, but it wasn't as bad is it could have been because I made the mistake of looking it up on Wikipedia. That 5% chance of contracting viral meningitis just kept swimming around in my head, plus the possible chance of sterility. Curse you Wikipedia!
Task Mangler
Game Theory only supports my point. You need a large percentage of the population immunised. The need of the many out weigh the need of the one.
Why did you think that game theory supports your point?
I'm mamazed to see how the discussion has been completely about vaccination. Doesn't anyone think that, even if it's just amongst poor people with brown skins, it's just as serious that a disease of malnutrition is making a comeback in the richest couintry in the world?
it would not be a contridiction for legal immigrants to be helthier than the general population and illigal immigrants less so.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
But, as we're seeing in this article, if you allow immunity levels to drop such as by dropping vaccinations, the diseases can quickly come back.
My grandfather had polio, ended up on the iron lung for a while. He still walks with a limp, and he was one of the lucky ones.
I've been vaccinated for just about everything under the sun. Polio, Smallpox, you name it, I've had it, likely a couple extra times(docs lost my records a few times when I was a baby).
As for vaccinating your baby daughter against an STD, well, I'll say that vaccination should occur shortly before the potential infectious period. Given todays habits(and I'm talking averages, not your daughter), I'd say 15 is a good start time. By the way, what STD vaccine are you talking about?
I don't read AC A human right
From the CDC
"Do measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines contain thimerosal?
No, MMR vaccine does not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal."
MMR never had thimerosal in it. If parents are refusing to vaccinate their kids because of a fear of something that was never present, what's wrong with countering their intentional ignorace with derision.
"The government grants you rights, not the other way around."-- beav007. Yes, these people really exist...
"So what's your point again, you racist shitbag?"
His point, I assume, is that you engage in ad hominem attacks, most probably due to a lack of supporting evidence.
So, since I've not given my opinion on the subject one way or another, let's see what your response is.
Are you going to call ME a racist shitbag too? Or are you going to support your assertions with more that "I disagree, so I'll start throwing around epithets and ad hominem attacks"?
Here's the real point. Immigrants may not be receiving the necessary vaccinations. This may be due to several factors, but ultimately there needs to be attention drawn to this fact. If there are a high number of immigrants without vaccination, that is a health risk that needs to be examined.
Now, proceed to call me a racist shitbag, even though I said IMMIGRANTS, not a particular race, and gave no indication about which groups of immigrants I was discussing.
"The government grants you rights, not the other way around."-- beav007. Yes, these people really exist...
Justify it to yourself any way you like, there are immigration laws and if they are here illegally, they broke them.
Please stop suggesting appeasement is the answer. Until the fact that these people are here ILLEGALLY is addreseed, they deserve nothing.
"The government grants you rights, not the other way around."-- beav007. Yes, these people really exist...
"Maybe the idea is to just assume that the mother has an STD. (now THAT is really offensive too)"
She probably does. From wiki
"HPV is by far the most common sexually transmitted infection. It is said to be the cause of 99% of both cervical and prostate cancers. It is estimated that 80% of sexually active adults have been infected with one or more genital HPV strains at some time.[1]"
Read that over, until the smug look disappears from your face.
MOST people have been infected with an STD of they're sexually active, if not HPV, then Herpes.
I don't know why people like you are so arrogant when they openly advertise their ignorance like you did.
"The government grants you rights, not the other way around."-- beav007. Yes, these people really exist...
I'm sure homeschooling your kid will be really easily when she gets polio and loses the ability to walk.
People like you sicken me -- why would you want to subject anybody to easily cured disease?
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
In the immortal words of my metaphorical ancestor Tonto, "what you mean 'us', white man?"
But there are a couple things there: first, vitamin D (cholecalciferol) is fat-soluable, so even supplemented skim milk isn't a very effective way of absorbing vitamin D. Second, if you're going to make a point of RTFA, you might read down and note the article calls out sunscreen too.
Sure, if by a few hundred you mean 163,773 (as of 2003). Or, in annual terms, 26,067 new cases in 2003 alone. Sure, we're talking about allegedly caused by the vaccine, but I think you should at least understand why people can be legitimately worried about this! Personally, I think it's unlikely that the vaccines are related to this explosion in autism, but still, if there's even a chance it should not be dismissed lightly. (I'm not suggesting the government has dismissed it - both the CDC and FDA have performed studies and found no connection.) The timing between when vaccines are administerd and the typical onset of autism makes the vaccines a convenient target. However, if thimerosal was the problem, we should soon see autism rates decreasing, in which case the government should expect to see a large number of related lawsuits. If, on the other hand autism rates continue to rise (as I suspect they will) we should look to other causes - such as mercury poisoning in our waters - for the culprit. Actually, we should be looking everywhere we can for the culprit.
Ben Hocking
Need a professional organizer?
TB has to be one of the most annoying diseases ever. Lack of treatment for some people is probably the result of the fact that they don't know they are at risk at developing the disease. A carrier of TB has no signs whatsoever that they are sick because they aren't yet. They only develop the infection if they contract a disease that affects the immune system like HIV/Aids. Very rarely does a person walk into a doctors office and ask that they have a test for a diease that affects only 41 people out of a 100,000 in the United States when they feel perfectly healthy.
Ooo man the floppy drive is broken. No wait. The computer is just upside down.
Due to the presence of Mexican illegal aliens (of whom about 10 percent are infected with Chagas), if you live in Los Angeles, you are 5 times more likely to die.
:)
Actually, P(death) is 1.0 for everyone.
So when the hell did "Mexican" or even "Hispanic" become a race? There's a load of indigenous folks down there mixed in with some Europeans, but that's about it. At least know what you're talking about before playing the race card, moron.
It's a comforting idea that the increase in autism is purely due to more liberal diagnoses. I'm certain that it explains part of it. Well, that, and increased awareness. On the other hand, if you look at a curve that describes that increase, it's really hard to accept that this is all due to a more liberal diagnoses or increased awareness. I know several kids with autism (~30 or so). Only two of them might have escaped some kind of diagnosis twenty years ago. Most of the rest of them fall into the category of barely verbal. For these kids, at least, this is not just a liberal diagnoses. (For the two that might have escaped diagnoses, I nevertheless agree with their diagnoses as being autistic. They just have a milder version. Of course, IANAP.)
Ben Hocking
Need a professional organizer?
That was one concern for many vaccines. Another theory had to do with the combination of vaccines (Mumps in particular) allowing other things to get through the gut and the blood-brain barrier. Some places used a separate Mumps and MR instead of the tripple MMR.
What's disturbing to me is the attitude of the agencies in charge of this stuff. I heard about these concerns from a few people and decided to look into it. On the US side, there is no mention of any issues. The brits at least listen to the concerns and claim to be looking in to it, or recommending some research. When my kid got her first DTaP dose, they gave us some an info packet on the vaccines. They really hype the stuff - one of the vaccines is promoted as the first "anti-cancer" drug, because one of the diseases it protects against on some occasions caused cancer. Then there's the whole issue where DTP vaccine was replaced with DTaP - a newer safer version - not that they ever indicated a problem with the old one.
The only conclusion I reached is that you can't trust anything the FDA or NIH have to say on these "issues". They are clearly pro-vaccination to the point of insanity.
BTW, one of the side effects we were supposed to look for with DTaP was "high fever greater than 105" which occures in 1/16000 cases. Holy crap! 105 can do serious damage to an adult. One is 16000 isn't that much, but how many will get a 104, or even 103 fever from it? It looks like they just used a higher temp to reduce the occurence rate to something more reasonable. And what's this chickenpox vaccine? Kids are supposed to get chickenpox aren't they? They make it sound like your kid will die if they don't get vaccinated. In another 50 years the public will actually believe that crap.
My kid survived her first DTaP just fine, and will continue to get injections containing foreign DNA/RNA as prescribed. There are some documented down sides to actually getting the diseases. There is probably some truth to the claims against the vaccines too, but since the government is in denial it's hard to make a valid comparison of the risks. Most the other sources on the net claim just the opposite - OMFG your kid will die or be a vegetable if they get vaccinated. Their attitude is no better than the gov.
The currently recommended shot for the first five years is up to 28 shots. Used to a quarter of that when I was a kid. No wonder some parents are overwhelmed, especially the less educated ones.
Off topic?
Mumps is on topic, that Brady Bunch episode is the one where Bobby Brady thought he might have gotten the mumps, and it's off-topic?
What the hell are you wasting your mod points for? Go mod up an insightful or interesting post, and if you can't be bothered to click a link to check the context, leave a post the fuck alone. Don't waste mod points modding posts down, dumbass. Read the fucking FAQ, n00b.
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But I thought that Tuberculosis for one might be a problem in the USA, because right-wingers (not Bush though) think that if all their household servants (who don't legally exist) and farm workers catch something, it won't affect anyone else.
A few weeks ago I had symptoms that are an exact match to Mumps (swollen throat, muscle pain, sensitivity to citrus) and I live in Alabama. The virus has spread this far, one can only assume it will continue to spread throughout the world as people continue to travel. So don't act surprized, they told us it would happen and so it has. We will never be able to be rid of some diseases until we have a working knowledge of exactly how they work. That's why things like genetic sequencing, stem cell research, advanced mathematics, and massive cluster computing will be important for our future. It's sad that America is continually reported to have a "brain drain" going on. For people who went to the moon, developed computers and the internet, and have built up one of the most powerful nations to have ever existed we sure seem to have a real problem maintaining our edge. Methinks perhaps all the extra fat America has accumulated might have gone to our heads.
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I guess I misheard the statistic. The US Census Bureau confirms that 18.9% of people are uninsured.
But on to the actual point: How was TB eradicated? Let's ask the CDC. Well, what do you know, it was tax-funded public health departments who ran treatment facilities, not private industry. There was federal funding from 1944 thru the 1960s.
Still, never let the facts get in the way of right-wing dogma, eh?
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As the Daleks might say, "Exterminate"
No doubt. I don't claim that vaccines are the cause, and, in fact, think they probably aren't. However, that they might be just means that it's worth keep tabs on what happens now that (most) vaccines no longer use Thimerosal.
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That you cahnged the subject.
How is it people like you, when confronted with facts that directly contradict their statements, resort to changing the subject?
I showed you why you were wrong. Own up, or shut up. I'll take either, but no more rambling half-coherent posts in response please.
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It's demand for cheap labor. When somebody lacks the rights of citizenship, it's a lot easier to underpay, abuse, and overwork them. If they're unhappy, what can they do, complaining to a labor board will most likely get them deported.
I don't understand the stir this is creating. When I was a little kid (1980-1985) I had at least 2 of those diseases (I am sure I had measles and mumps), and possibly rubella. All the kids had them.
They are childrens diseases, because you are supposed to get them when you're a child.
Gosh! What other old-times bugs are coming back this season to haunt us? Natural, Adabas, COBOL?
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That's partly because crowded dorms and cafeterias are breeding grounds for germs that are spread by sneezing and coughing.
....Sure, sneezing and coughing. That's that thing that helps us whippersnappers spread germs in college... ;-)
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Notice it's posted on that well-known, ultra rightwing network known as Reuters. (And I say that, dripping with sarcasm.)
I know that due to your leftwing bias it's difficult to understand, but just because a news story doesn't fit your worldview that doesn't mean it's untrue. Try to be open minded and do some research before hurling insults.
Besides, the Weekly World News is known for reporting different types of Aliens.
So in my case, no, the mother probably does not have an STD and it's an insult for the government to just assume she does.
I supppose you may have meant "any randomly selected mother probably has a disease" instead of "the mother of r00t's children probably has a disease (and r00t doesn't know about it)".
Still, it's highly offensive to mandate vaccination on the assumption that the mother has an STD. Even if 99% of mothers had STDs, it would be wrong to mandate treatment based on an assumption of sickness.
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I do not ask what is best for the group. For me it is best that vaccination be for everybody else. Perhaps I should be less honest on Slashdot: vaccination is critical for your health and does not have any risks.
As the disease risk rises, vaccination becomes more beneficial. I'd sure get vaccinated if a disease were spreading around my town, assuming the disease is bad enough to care about. Polio definitely counts. Chickenpox probably does not.
The STD vaccine I refer to is the one for Hepatitis B. (like AIDS, you can get it via non-sexual stupidity like sharing needles, but we still call it an STD) The HPV (warts) one is interesting too, but I've yet to hear of that one being given to 1-day-old babies.
Yes, actually, they DO come over the border and high-tail it for Iowa. And South Dakota, Kansas, and Nebraska, where there are lots of meatpacking plants run by corporations that dont care (cough *Tyson*). I live in Norfolk, Nebraska, a town of population 24,000. In the past 10 years our Hispanic population has gone from 3% to 34%. To quote Carlos Mencia: "There's more b**ners here than in Mexico!"
If you don't know the facts, please don't act like you do.
Rickets? That's just Vit-D deficiency. Hardly a cause for concern, really, for most people. It's supplimented into milk, for one. Any exposure to direct sunlight produces enough Vit-D in the skin to make up for minor dietary deficiencies, too.
Did you mean Rubella?
"According to a special investigative report [washingtontimes.com] by the "Washington Times", "Contagious diseases are entering the United States because of immigrants, illegal aliens , refugees and travelers, and World Health Organization officials say the worst could be yet to come"." (my bolds)
Clearly then the solution is easy. Ban all travel to and from the USA and everybody will be safe.
Vaccines take years and years to get on the market. The safety testing can take decades, and there is very little money to be made in making new and better vaccines. There is an enormous risk of being sued, which can eliminate any profits and easily bankrupt the vaccine maker.
The technology to create many vaccines is very old because of these reasons, often dating back 50 years +.
We can make vaccines that are substantially better than what we have, but the government will have to get involved because no companies will ever do it.
It's not that simple either.
Vaccine-induced immunity to chickenpox wears off. Getting the disease in old age is far worse than getting it as a kid. I'd rather get shingles. Full-blown chickenpox in old age could be deadly.
Homeschooling is a damn fine way to avoid horrible diseases.[...] The sickest thing is that some places vaccinate newborns against STDs. That's like the government telling me that my baby is going to be a dumb slut.
Slut is less certain, but homeschooling by a retard like you is a damn fine way to make sure she ends up dumb.
You've obviously never read the Washington Times. Too busy curling up with the latest issue of the People's Weekly World?
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