I mean, a virus is friendlier than a kitten if the virus is Open Source and the kitten is closed source and therefore evil and willing to take over the world.
You should know that already as a slashdotter. You are new around here aren't you?
Imagine a beowulf cluster of closed source kittens. The horror!
They will port it to OS X just like Office, Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer... and leave linux / freeBSD / other Open Source OS's aside as usual.
Then eventually they will cut support to Mac or make it substandard compared to the Windows version.
Business as usual. And worse of it all - most people will probably swallow this as well. So sad people don't stand for anything anymore.
But last distros are not meant to be run that hardware. You should run either specific distros that are meant to run on that, or take an older version.
BTW I ran Red Hat 5.something on my P133 32MB back in the day with the enlightenment version of the time and still is most responsive for most tasks than Red Bloat 9's GNOME on my Athlon XP2400+. Give up on bluecurve. Check blackbox, enlightenment, XFCE or the like.
I agree most of the "important" distros have headed for windows-like (or worse) bloat.
If you read my post again, you will find nowhere I asked Apple to open their source. Do they open their source for Windows? no. But they release their products in that platform. They are taking a lot from the community and contributing very little.
One of the major annoyances the Linux user has to face is Quicktime-only sites. They have a standard yet they don't release a player like they do for Windows. This hurts a lot the community they're leeching from. They should release at the very least the QT player for Linux and FreeBSD.
The Linux market is big enough. In fact, it's close to the Mac market. Even Macromedia releases their Flash player for Linux.
This case is about being in jail and eat thinking you would starve to death in the wilderness, only to find when you are released that you're eating just okay.
>I choose an OS and apps based on what works for me, not for religious reasons.
So do I. As I pointed out several times in my post, they are being practical. Yes, they are a company trying to turn a profit. Now, tell all these trolls to stop the "apple openness" false bullcrap. I understand when Apple spits that shit toghether with dubious marketroid speak in their benchmarks "because they are a company trying to turn a profit". I can't stand deceiving fanboyism.
That said, Mac people aren't usually qualified to rate Linux and don't even know Linux innovations that are not "standard" (Enlightenment for instance) and there's more hobbyist innovation (and a lot of not so hobbyist University innovation), ideas and contribution in Open Source than anywhere else.
I have tried Mac (the design boy by my side allows me to play with this powerbook and his dual G4) and I like it. It's been fast enough for a long time if you aren't using it for gaming. I'd add a second darn mouse button but that's not such a big deal.
I don't have experience in Mac application development, that's why I'm buying one soon. I hope Apple takes a fair share of the Joe Schmoe market for Microsoft. I believe in competition and in software development for a living and not just as a hobby.
I tend to feel sympathy for Apple just because it's not "the enemy" and in fact is competition for this "enemy" we know and can recognize very well. In fact I feel very tempted right now to go and buy one of the cheapest iBooks.
However Apple isn't playing fair enough with the Open Source community. It's based on BSD. That's ok - they every right to do so and in fact BSD gets some "brand recognition" out of it.
They release a Quicktime player for Windows and not for Linux/FreeBSD/etc . Not even a closed source one. My guess is it shouldn't be complicated to port it anyway. But they don't even try - they do release Darwin
Darwin
for x86. And as you said, you can use mplayer for Mac as well. That's the way this "yours is mine, mine is mine" strategy.
The same extends to iChat and iPhoto too. Don't release them even closed source for other systems unless they benefit out of it (usually windows software) - this is a purely practical and completely uncollaborative standpoint. And they can get Open Source alternatives as well (Gimp for instance, but just check how many O.S. packages have been ported) and they benefit of that greatly. Apple doesn't have competitive alternatives for several of those packages and the budget Mac user can afford now to own a Mac without breaking the bank to pay it's rather expensive software (warez is the shamelessly accepted option for windows).
The moral of the story is: Apple practices are the closest in the market.
Cut the "Apple openness" bull. If Apple was in M$'s position it would probably be even worse, with their closed hardware policy. Apple has taken much, much more from the O.S. community than it has given. Your post shows that good old parasitism still works.
I think I'll still have the iBook, but cut the crap.
The average slashdotter must be now drooling at the sexychicks . Whatever keeps women within 10ft and can be built from spare hardware in their parents' basement is OK for the average slashdotter.
Take Geeky Linux from the picture. FYI, Linux is european.
BTW gotta hate nationalism. If they were supporting Open Source or plain competition that would be one thing, but this protectionism is despicable if they intend to keep exporting stuff to the rest of the world at the same time.
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The thing has to be Open Source.
I mean, a virus is friendlier than a kitten if the virus is Open Source and the kitten is closed source and therefore evil and willing to take over the world.
You should know that already as a slashdotter. You are new around here aren't you?
Imagine a beowulf cluster of closed source kittens. The horror!
So you think the current situation is "lots of distrs with all one base" and that base is Red Hat?.
Come on windows boy move along. Don't forget to check windowsupdate for today's hole.
Remember it's Virtual PC.
In Gates' dreams, Windows is trustworthy. Ahh the thin line between marketing and daydreaming...
Darn it where are those mod points when you need them...
Mod this guy up. I wonder why they don't include Ogg after so many releases... ah wait, because they want to impose their own system. So Microsoft...
They will port it to OS X just like Office, Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer... and leave linux / freeBSD / other Open Source OS's aside as usual.
Then eventually they will cut support to Mac or make it substandard compared to the Windows version.
Business as usual.
And worse of it all - most people will probably swallow this as well. So sad people don't stand for anything anymore.
But last distros are not meant to be run that hardware. You should run either specific distros that are meant to run on that, or take an older version.
BTW I ran Red Hat 5.something on my P133 32MB back in the day with the enlightenment version of the time and still is most responsive for most tasks than Red Bloat 9's GNOME on my Athlon XP2400+. Give up on bluecurve. Check blackbox, enlightenment, XFCE or the like.
I agree most of the "important" distros have headed for windows-like (or worse) bloat.
If you read my post again, you will find nowhere I asked Apple to open their source. Do they open their source for Windows? no. But they release their products in that platform. They are taking a lot from the community and contributing very little.
One of the major annoyances the Linux user has to face is Quicktime-only sites. They have a standard yet they don't release a player like they do for Windows. This hurts a lot the community they're leeching from. They should release at the very least the QT player for Linux and FreeBSD.
The Linux market is big enough. In fact, it's close to the Mac market. Even Macromedia releases their Flash player for Linux.
This case is about being in jail and eat thinking you would starve to death in the wilderness, only to find when you are released that you're eating just okay.
>I choose an OS and apps based on what works for me, not for religious reasons.
So do I. As I pointed out several times in my post, they are being practical. Yes, they are a company trying to turn a profit. Now, tell all these trolls to stop the "apple openness" false bullcrap. I understand when Apple spits that shit toghether with dubious marketroid speak in their benchmarks "because they are a company trying to turn a profit". I can't stand deceiving fanboyism.
That said, Mac people aren't usually qualified to rate Linux and don't even know Linux innovations that are not "standard" (Enlightenment for instance) and there's more hobbyist innovation (and a lot of not so hobbyist University innovation), ideas and contribution in Open Source than anywhere else.
I have tried Mac (the design boy by my side allows me to play with this powerbook and his dual G4) and I like it. It's been fast enough for a long time if you aren't using it for gaming. I'd add a second darn mouse button but that's not such a big deal.
I don't have experience in Mac application development, that's why I'm buying one soon. I hope Apple takes a fair share of the Joe Schmoe market for Microsoft. I believe in competition and in software development for a living and not just as a hobby.
Cheers.
I tend to feel sympathy for Apple just because it's not "the enemy" and in fact is competition for this "enemy" we know and can recognize very well. In fact I feel very tempted right now to go and buy one of the cheapest iBooks.
However Apple isn't playing fair enough with the Open Source community. It's based on BSD. That's ok - they every right to do so and in fact BSD gets some "brand recognition" out of it.
They release a Quicktime player for Windows and not for Linux/FreeBSD/etc . Not even a closed source one. My guess is it shouldn't be complicated to port it anyway. But they don't even try - they do release Darwin Darwin for x86. And as you said, you can use mplayer for Mac as well. That's the way this "yours is mine, mine is mine" strategy.
The same extends to iChat and iPhoto too. Don't release them even closed source for other systems unless they benefit out of it (usually windows software) - this is a purely practical and completely uncollaborative standpoint. And they can get Open Source alternatives as well (Gimp for instance, but just check how many O.S. packages have been ported) and they benefit of that greatly. Apple doesn't have competitive alternatives for several of those packages and the budget Mac user can afford now to own a Mac without breaking the bank to pay it's rather expensive software (warez is the shamelessly accepted option for windows).
The moral of the story is: Apple practices are the closest in the market. Cut the "Apple openness" bull. If Apple was in M$'s position it would probably be even worse, with their closed hardware policy. Apple has taken much, much more from the O.S. community than it has given. Your post shows that good old parasitism still works.
I think I'll still have the iBook, but cut the crap.
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...looks like the next step. You have to justify the price gap somehow.
The PDA is dead. Long live the PDA!
I'd rather buy the tried and true Sharp Zaurus, which BTW have a more complete line in features and prices.
The average slashdotter must be now drooling at the sexy chicks . Whatever keeps women within 10ft and can be built from spare hardware in their parents' basement is OK for the average slashdotter.
You have 36 hours to pull sitefinder or we will bring in the Mallard Ducks.
...ah!! all those sniffing and spying over the traffic of your employees does wonders!!
Just get a good sysadmin lackey with no friends within the company.
The point is people still look for "free as in beer" much more than "free as in freedom".
The fact is they could remove the ad-free version the moment you look away because they are not guaranteeing anything by, say, an OSS license.
Take Geeky Linux from the picture. FYI, Linux is european.
BTW gotta hate nationalism. If they were supporting Open Source or plain competition that would be one thing, but this protectionism is despicable if they intend to keep exporting stuff to the rest of the world at the same time.
I thought here in Slashdot everybody was against software patents.
You can't compare a phone with a computer, until they start bundling them with connection contracts and gouging money from you monthly as a standard.
Do you really think the price of your Nokia 3650 was that in the price tag?
Boy that's really basic. I thought nobody with a brain swallowed that one.
You seem to be in the dark about the meaning of "propietary".
Another point is why should XML be better than what they're using now.
Try to get some numbers before talking off your ass.
M$FT has $4,300,000,000 (Mar 31 2003) in cash.
BTW, despite being seen as the biggest and baddest company in the world, Microsoft is actually much smaller than IBM alone.
IBM's revenue is about $20 (american) billions and Microsoft is making a revenue of $7.8 BB.
Sorry for being off-topic, but man am I tired of hearing people writing "then" instead of "than"...