""The District of Columbia is far ahead of its federal government overlord in bringing data to standard XML formats and RSS-enabling it. DC's government has what it calls a "data catalog" offering live data feeds of crime reports, construction reports, building permits and many other types of information. "
"To share" is a GoodThing(TM), but my brain keeps showing me pictures of the Vogon destructor fleet.
"I read somewher that murder is a crime, genocide is statistics."
Or in it's original form: "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."
You won't save the world by shouting at it, all of the random ass-headed cruelty of the world will suddenly make perfect sense if you look inside the Monkeysphere.
From an outside POV and as someone who wanted Saddam ousted by the UN, he has successfully...
Silenced robust media criticisim of the Administration for at least 4-5yrs, and since the US media is global it has had a knock-on effect.
Reduced NASA's Earth facing research program and convinced many people "environmental concern" is a type of mental disorder.
Boosted the profits of his patrons beyond their wildest expectation.
Wound the civil liberties clock back to the early seventies by ripping up legislation designed to keep the various domestic/national security forces in check. Again this has had an international effect, the case of David Hicks here in Australia is just one example. Anyone who spoke up for the rule of law was branded a "Hick's supporter" - Hick's is a dickhead and needed mental help not 5yrs as a political prisoner in Gitmo that only ended when he plead guilty to a retrospective law.
Raised the US prison population to a full 1% of the population.
Promoted the anti-science notion that vague "values" are more important than observable "facts" in decision making.
The surge that is reducing violence in Iraq - but I'm not sure if I should count "stop making more mess" as a success?
But his biggest success has surely been to imitate Reagan's strategy of outspending the USSR. Bush has outspent the USA, he's now on the verge of socialising wall streek risk while at the same time reducing the tax on wall street's private profits....not that different to what happened to the USSR after it went broke...
I think what your trying to say is that mind evolves, it doesn't come fully formed but rather emerges from the brain and continues to change throuhout our lives. Some very clever behavioural experiments show that babies brains have far more conections than adult brains and this gives them a "photographic memory", as they start to make connections between the "photos" the pathways of thought in the brain are formed.
Many "instinctive" pathways are formed in the womb, some of them relate to good/evil and are based on the selfish genes of evolution. Our brains have simply developed the ability to override those instincts in some circumstances. - Some people discovered this millenia ago and called it "the fruit from the tree of knowledge" and ( following their instincts ), labeled it a BadThing(TM).
The flaw in your model is that you are only looking at snap decisions and learned instinctual behaviour (eg: wearing clothes). My snap decision to get my muscles to cut a cheque for a new car may have had a year's worth of collecting mind photos and creating the links between them. However if what your trying to say is that ultimately there is no free will then I agree but it won't change anything, since the executioner will also claim a lack of free will.
"Unfortunately it's been proven that dogmatism is the ONLY non-self-delusional behavior. You see there is no rational basis for the universe...Any "true" theory therefore will be dogmatic...The problem is that it's entirely unclear WHICH dogmatism is "the one" (probably an entirely new one). "
I don't think it's unclear at all, most of the clues are right there in your post. Science is a rational method that attempts to throw out as many "truths" as possible and replace them with the most useful model.
I agree with the interesting mods you are getting but I don't know why you would pick Godel to support dogmatisim? Philosophically speaking his work in logic shows we can never fully understand ourselves. I take that to mean we can continue to understand more if we use the right methods, you seem to take it as a signal to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.
"AGW for example, we make models and then "oops" the sun's corona, out of the blue, cools 20%. Trust me, it's going to be a f*cking cold winter"
Trust me, science rationalized that dogma away years ago.;)
"One would hope people would read history and use that to decide which ideologies held out longest and most stably. That sort of thing is very thorougly frowned upon on slashdot however, probably because the answer would certainly not be "democracy", but probably a kingdom with a state religion."
Yeah, I've noticed the Ben Franklin fanboys!/sarcasm
Can't I? - On average the weather will be colder in winter 4008 than it will be in summer 4008.
Are you sure about that?
No, in fact my faith in science as the provider of the best available explaination for systematic observations of the natural world means that I'm not even sure the Sun will rise tomorrow BUT it my faith also tells me not worry about it.
Absolute certainty of future events is a sport played by politicians and opionion columnists and I suggest that is why you insist on using their stale arguments in every post you make concerning the climate. Perhaps you hadn't noticed but these people themselves have now largely abandoned those twisted factoids and begrudgingly accepted the two main points of the IPCC consensus. Your continued inability/refusal to look at the evidence in a non-political manner belies your ranting.
"And you can't make claims about the weather in the future from the climate predictions."
Can't I? - On average the weather will be colder in winter 4008 than it will be in summer 4008.
The rest of the logic in your post is upside down, however we have crossed swords before and I have (in the past) provided you with relevant links that you are still choosing to ignore.
I just threw away a couple of mod points to bring you this announcement: Climate != weather, climate is the long term statistics of weather. Two different numerical analysis models, both computationally expensive.
Coincidently, mathematical self-replication was the thing that first got me interested in programming back in the 80's. Had Von Neuman been alive in 1970 I am sure he would have dropped his complicated replicator and tipped his hat to Conway's elegant answer to the problem.
It would be just an educated guess if I tried to answer your "big-eater" objection, but if you have a better theory than abiogenisis - I'm all ears.
There is a little detail the OP left out when he said..."Now when it comes time to count the vote it's clear that Joe isn't going to get in no matter what so he's removed and all the votes for him move to second choices.".
What happens is that Joe gets to assign his preference to one/some/all of the remaining contenders. Since Joe declares where his preferences will go before the election Joe has some influence on the debate even if Joe never gets a seat in parliment. A good example of this at work was the last Australian election, a little over 10% voted for the Greens who gave their preferences to Labor (one of the two main parties).
The Greens didn't win many seats in parliment but Labor won government by a landslide of the back of their preferences, therefore the first act of the new Labor prime-minister was to ratify Kyoto. BTW: the government they defeated was actually a long standing coalition of two right-wing parties who always swap preferences with each other.
Having said that, you can go overboard with this approach - witness Italy where they have averaged one change of government every year since WW2, simply because nobody can hold a coalition together.
Yes lipids are complex AND they arise spontaneously in nature all the time (IANAC/MB either).
It's a given that many details will be "glossed over" in a 10 minute introduction. Having said that, I thought the video did a good job of addressing your second point by pointing out that proto-cells do not need the complexity of modern cells. A proto-self-replicator can make millions of "duds" but it will still be "successfull" as long as it makes just ONE non-dud.
"[Obama will] touch off a trade war and drag down the world"
As a non-American it sounds like an improvement over touching of a ME war and draging the world into the smoking crater that used to be called the US economy.
"What democracies have been destroyed? Surely you are not saying that Afganistan, ruled by the Taliban, and Iraq, who had a dictator named Sadam, were democracies."
the west demanded the Palestinians have as a pre-condition for "statehood", Hamas won 70% of the vote in a "free and fair" election.
The reaction from the west was to cut Hamas out of the international banking system and re-armed the PLO. There west has a very long history of inciting civil wars and coup's, the landslide election of Hamas is just the most recent glaring example.
Saddam is an example of a western puppet that wasn't elected (or spotted) by the people. The other super-powers are no different, just take a look at Sudan or Chechnea[sic]. Democrat-Republican is a false dichotomy when it comes to foriegn policy. The world is governed by machevellian warlors and there ain't a god dammed thing you can do about it except refuse to shut your eyes and mouth.
Good video explaination of abiogensis, from the museum of science. No gods, no aliens, no impossible improbability, no fungus covered comets, no lightning striking mud puddles, just chemistry and physics! Nice soundtrack too....enjoy!
Whereas if your a rich republican, you're afraid they will take some of your money to help care for poor children?? Oh the horror!!
Too bad republicans are known to give more to charity than democrats.
Damn those pesky facts...
Couple of facts from an Aussie: We pay less on a percentage basis of the "charity" of UHC that American do. The difference is we get get a "free" health system and you guys don't. You may want to belive your system is the best because you pay the most but epidemiological studies say you are about 30th in the world.
UHC is not seen as charity over here it is seen as a bipartisan issue with 80+% support in polls, it wasn't always this way - we used to have a screwed up system like that in the US ~30yrs ago and both sides of politics made the same arguments I hear going on in the US.
"The miracle of the modern era is that farms are more productive - less land feeds more people -"
Yes I agree and at the global level there is more food available today that during the 60's & 70's when Chairman Mao was screwing China deeper and deeper into famine. However I don't think that can last indenfinitely, N. Hemisphere fisheries have collapsed one after the other since the 80's and here in Australia we have a problem mixing modern (over)farming methods with shifting weather patterns. When you cut the output of the world's 4th largest grain exporter in half for 8 out of the last 10 years, not only do Aussies pay a few more cents for bread but people in Hati and elsewhere starting having food riots.
Of course the "elephant in the room" is population, I'm 50 and there are now over twice as many people on the planet as when I was born. I have no idea how to humanely "fix" that.
"This is yet another example of green washing and corporates (in this case US ones) flushing our environment down the toilet for their own short term gain."
Yes. The west has cleaned up it's act over the last few decades but the illusion breaks down when you realise much of that has been achived by throwing it over an international fence. In general the EU/AU/NZ have slightly better laws to deal with this kind of thing. What I find strange about the US is there seems to be a much larger proportion of the general population who are outright hostile to environmentalists. These people (and we have them here in Oz aswell - so untwist those patriotic nickers), also seem to rant about "UN totalitairianisim", "intellectual elitisim" and "freedom".
Personally I want to restict the the "freedom" to pillage and plunder, not because I grew up in the 60-70's (when totalitarians really were a big problem), but because I grew up surrounded by farms and can appreciate where our food comes from. The farms and surrounding bush have all but dissapeared under the sprawling suburbs of a city famous the world over for looking green from the window of a passanger jet.
I selfishly want enough arable land with a stable enough climate to feed myself, my kids, and from March next year my grandkid(s). I want my offspring to experience and appreciate both the benifits of the industrial revolution AND the awesome natural wonders in this country and elsewhere. Pretending we are green by denying we are both culpable in, and affected by, (say) West Papua or the Amazon is the height of "elitisim" that will come back to bite EVERYONE on the arse and hard!
I understand the world is a messy place and there is always a trade-off, but I think the "freedom" to blatantly pillage and plunder are "rights" that should be denied to all players in a globalised economy, those "rights" are as distastefull to me as the "freedom" to trade slaves.
So come on and hit me without hiding behind an anonymous troll, who thinks enviromentalists are the scum of the earth and why?
Yes, politics is the art of winning a debate regardless of wether you actually belive the argument or not, it's unfortunately a nessacary distortion if society of semi-rational individuals is to function. Before anyone takes offence my argument is that we are all semi-rational and it takes a consious effort to be skeptical of your own emotions, just as it takes a consious effort for a religious person to be critical of their own "faith".
All sides of politics at some time or another accuse science of being bias, this in my mind says that over a long enough time science is unbiased. In a democracy when a politician makes it to the top they have done so by winning debates. The emporer ALWAYS has no clothes but pointing that out is like tossing the first turd in a shitfight. The reaction is emotional (see the rest of this thread for examples, or just phyco analyse this one). Regardless of training reason doesn't come into it when someone starts removing the foundations of your world view, well at least not until you contemplate fixing them.
I'm no different and my only excuse is we ALL do it, the 'secret' is to acknowledge that before you have spent the next 10yrs typing profanities at strangers. Science comes in the form of stories, you may know a lot about one corner of a page but to all of us science on the whole is told to us with stories. Religion comes in the form of stories and morals that often match our naturally evolved sense of cooperation that formed societies in the first place. There's also an invisible guy who really wants you to learn the morals not the details of the stories, oh and btw he can see in your head and crush you like a grape. - ie: let he who hath not sinned cast the first troll.;)
Speaking of expanding..."Graphene has a surface area of 2,630 square meters, almost the area of a football field, per gram of material."... As a young man I plugged a large 12v capacitor into a 240v outlet because I thought....hmmm....if a 9v battery make that big a spark....Ten minutes later I had it screwed to a wooden booard with a domestic power cord attached....KABOOM!!!....my room was covered in sticky silvery confetti...you get where I'm going, graphene would go off like a fuel air bomb! All this leads me to the conclusing that.....
If you car has a graphene ultracapacitor, resources consume you!/sorry
Slashdot Mirror
Glad you enjoyed it.
"Also - Toilets flushing backwards? Doesn't that mean stuff comes *out* of the bowl and flies up at you? Urgh"
As an Aussie I would just like to point out that things do fly out of dunny's - that's why the redbacks live under the seat.
""The District of Columbia is far ahead of its federal government overlord in bringing data to standard XML formats and RSS-enabling it. DC's government has what it calls a "data catalog" offering live data feeds of crime reports, construction reports, building permits and many other types of information. "
"To share" is a GoodThing(TM), but my brain keeps showing me pictures of the Vogon destructor fleet.
"I read somewher that murder is a crime, genocide is statistics."
Or in it's original form: "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."
You won't save the world by shouting at it, all of the random ass-headed cruelty of the world will suddenly make perfect sense if you look inside the Monkeysphere.
Speaking of Couric interviews, we get Letterman over here in Oz. I think he will be the one rembered for "change" in this election.
Oh and WTF is "Brawndo"?
From an outside POV and as someone who wanted Saddam ousted by the UN, he has successfully...
Silenced robust media criticisim of the Administration for at least 4-5yrs, and since the US media is global it has had a knock-on effect.
Reduced NASA's Earth facing research program and convinced many people "environmental concern" is a type of mental disorder.
Boosted the profits of his patrons beyond their wildest expectation.
Wound the civil liberties clock back to the early seventies by ripping up legislation designed to keep the various domestic/national security forces in check. Again this has had an international effect, the case of David Hicks here in Australia is just one example. Anyone who spoke up for the rule of law was branded a "Hick's supporter" - Hick's is a dickhead and needed mental help not 5yrs as a political prisoner in Gitmo that only ended when he plead guilty to a retrospective law.
Raised the US prison population to a full 1% of the population.
Promoted the anti-science notion that vague "values" are more important than observable "facts" in decision making.
The surge that is reducing violence in Iraq - but I'm not sure if I should count "stop making more mess" as a success?
But his biggest success has surely been to imitate Reagan's strategy of outspending the USSR. Bush has outspent the USA, he's now on the verge of socialising wall streek risk while at the same time reducing the tax on wall street's private profits....not that different to what happened to the USSR after it went broke...
I think what your trying to say is that mind evolves, it doesn't come fully formed but rather emerges from the brain and continues to change throuhout our lives. Some very clever behavioural experiments show that babies brains have far more conections than adult brains and this gives them a "photographic memory", as they start to make connections between the "photos" the pathways of thought in the brain are formed.
Many "instinctive" pathways are formed in the womb, some of them relate to good/evil and are based on the selfish genes of evolution. Our brains have simply developed the ability to override those instincts in some circumstances. - Some people discovered this millenia ago and called it "the fruit from the tree of knowledge" and ( following their instincts ), labeled it a BadThing(TM).
The flaw in your model is that you are only looking at snap decisions and learned instinctual behaviour (eg: wearing clothes). My snap decision to get my muscles to cut a cheque for a new car may have had a year's worth of collecting mind photos and creating the links between them. However if what your trying to say is that ultimately there is no free will then I agree but it won't change anything, since the executioner will also claim a lack of free will.
"Unfortunately it's been proven that dogmatism is the ONLY non-self-delusional behavior. You see there is no rational basis for the universe...Any "true" theory therefore will be dogmatic...The problem is that it's entirely unclear WHICH dogmatism is "the one" (probably an entirely new one). "
;)
/sarcasm
I don't think it's unclear at all, most of the clues are right there in your post. Science is a rational method that attempts to throw out as many "truths" as possible and replace them with the most useful model.
I agree with the interesting mods you are getting but I don't know why you would pick Godel to support dogmatisim? Philosophically speaking his work in logic shows we can never fully understand ourselves. I take that to mean we can continue to understand more if we use the right methods, you seem to take it as a signal to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.
"AGW for example, we make models and then "oops" the sun's corona, out of the blue, cools 20%. Trust me, it's going to be a f*cking cold winter"
Trust me, science rationalized that dogma away years ago.
"One would hope people would read history and use that to decide which ideologies held out longest and most stably. That sort of thing is very thorougly frowned upon on slashdot however, probably because the answer would certainly not be "democracy", but probably a kingdom with a state religion."
Yeah, I've noticed the Ben Franklin fanboys!
HaHa, I got you to copy my argument and mod yourself up with a puppet!!! Who's trolling who baby... ;)
No, in fact my faith in science as the provider of the best available explaination for systematic observations of the natural world means that I'm not even sure the Sun will rise tomorrow BUT it my faith also tells me not worry about it.
Absolute certainty of future events is a sport played by politicians and opionion columnists and I suggest that is why you insist on using their stale arguments in every post you make concerning the climate. Perhaps you hadn't noticed but these people themselves have now largely abandoned those twisted factoids and begrudgingly accepted the two main points of the IPCC consensus. Your continued inability/refusal to look at the evidence in a non-political manner belies your ranting.
- You've been fed, now get off my lawn!
"And you can't make claims about the weather in the future from the climate predictions."
Can't I? - On average the weather will be colder in winter 4008 than it will be in summer 4008.
The rest of the logic in your post is upside down, however we have crossed swords before and I have (in the past) provided you with relevant links that you are still choosing to ignore.
I just threw away a couple of mod points to bring you this announcement: Climate != weather, climate is the long term statistics of weather. Two different numerical analysis models, both computationally expensive.
Coincidently, mathematical self-replication was the thing that first got me interested in programming back in the 80's. Had Von Neuman been alive in 1970 I am sure he would have dropped his complicated replicator and tipped his hat to Conway's elegant answer to the problem.
It would be just an educated guess if I tried to answer your "big-eater" objection, but if you have a better theory than abiogenisis - I'm all ears.
There is a little detail the OP left out when he said..."Now when it comes time to count the vote it's clear that Joe isn't going to get in no matter what so he's removed and all the votes for him move to second choices.".
What happens is that Joe gets to assign his preference to one/some/all of the remaining contenders. Since Joe declares where his preferences will go before the election Joe has some influence on the debate even if Joe never gets a seat in parliment. A good example of this at work was the last Australian election, a little over 10% voted for the Greens who gave their preferences to Labor (one of the two main parties).
The Greens didn't win many seats in parliment but Labor won government by a landslide of the back of their preferences, therefore the first act of the new Labor prime-minister was to ratify Kyoto. BTW: the government they defeated was actually a long standing coalition of two right-wing parties who always swap preferences with each other.
Having said that, you can go overboard with this approach - witness Italy where they have averaged one change of government every year since WW2, simply because nobody can hold a coalition together.
Yes lipids are complex AND they arise spontaneously in nature all the time (IANAC/MB either).
It's a given that many details will be "glossed over" in a 10 minute introduction. Having said that, I thought the video did a good job of addressing your second point by pointing out that proto-cells do not need the complexity of modern cells. A proto-self-replicator can make millions of "duds" but it will still be "successfull" as long as it makes just ONE non-dud.
"[Obama will] touch off a trade war and drag down the world"
As a non-American it sounds like an improvement over touching of a ME war and draging the world into the smoking crater that used to be called the US economy.
"What democracies have been destroyed? Surely you are not saying that Afganistan, ruled by the Taliban, and Iraq, who had a dictator named Sadam, were democracies."
the west demanded the Palestinians have as a pre-condition for "statehood", Hamas won 70% of the vote in a "free and fair" election.
The reaction from the west was to cut Hamas out of the international banking system and re-armed the PLO. There west has a very long history of inciting civil wars and coup's, the landslide election of Hamas is just the most recent glaring example.
Saddam is an example of a western puppet that wasn't elected (or spotted) by the people. The other super-powers are no different, just take a look at Sudan or Chechnea[sic]. Democrat-Republican is a false dichotomy when it comes to foriegn policy. The world is governed by machevellian warlors and there ain't a god dammed thing you can do about it except refuse to shut your eyes and mouth.
Good video explaination of abiogensis, from the museum of science. No gods, no aliens, no impossible improbability, no fungus covered comets, no lightning striking mud puddles, just chemistry and physics! Nice soundtrack too....enjoy!
Couple of facts from an Aussie: We pay less on a percentage basis of the "charity" of UHC that American do. The difference is we get get a "free" health system and you guys don't. You may want to belive your system is the best because you pay the most but epidemiological studies say you are about 30th in the world.
UHC is not seen as charity over here it is seen as a bipartisan issue with 80+% support in polls, it wasn't always this way - we used to have a screwed up system like that in the US ~30yrs ago and both sides of politics made the same arguments I hear going on in the US.
"The miracle of the modern era is that farms are more productive - less land feeds more people -"
Yes I agree and at the global level there is more food available today that during the 60's & 70's when Chairman Mao was screwing China deeper and deeper into famine. However I don't think that can last indenfinitely, N. Hemisphere fisheries have collapsed one after the other since the 80's and here in Australia we have a problem mixing modern (over)farming methods with shifting weather patterns. When you cut the output of the world's 4th largest grain exporter in half for 8 out of the last 10 years, not only do Aussies pay a few more cents for bread but people in Hati and elsewhere starting having food riots.
Of course the "elephant in the room" is population, I'm 50 and there are now over twice as many people on the planet as when I was born. I have no idea how to humanely "fix" that.
"This is yet another example of green washing and corporates (in this case US ones) flushing our environment down the toilet for their own short term gain."
Yes. The west has cleaned up it's act over the last few decades but the illusion breaks down when you realise much of that has been achived by throwing it over an international fence. In general the EU/AU/NZ have slightly better laws to deal with this kind of thing. What I find strange about the US is there seems to be a much larger proportion of the general population who are outright hostile to environmentalists. These people (and we have them here in Oz aswell - so untwist those patriotic nickers), also seem to rant about "UN totalitairianisim", "intellectual elitisim" and "freedom".
Personally I want to restict the the "freedom" to pillage and plunder, not because I grew up in the 60-70's (when totalitarians really were a big problem), but because I grew up surrounded by farms and can appreciate where our food comes from. The farms and surrounding bush have all but dissapeared under the sprawling suburbs of a city famous the world over for looking green from the window of a passanger jet.
I selfishly want enough arable land with a stable enough climate to feed myself, my kids, and from March next year my grandkid(s). I want my offspring to experience and appreciate both the benifits of the industrial revolution AND the awesome natural wonders in this country and elsewhere. Pretending we are green by denying we are both culpable in, and affected by, (say) West Papua or the Amazon is the height of "elitisim" that will come back to bite EVERYONE on the arse and hard!
I understand the world is a messy place and there is always a trade-off, but I think the "freedom" to blatantly pillage and plunder are "rights" that should be denied to all players in a globalised economy, those "rights" are as distastefull to me as the "freedom" to trade slaves.
So come on and hit me without hiding behind an anonymous troll, who thinks enviromentalists are the scum of the earth and why?
"Seriously, there is a good reason, Romans considered entertainers to be among the lowest class of citizens"
Seriously, do you want the US to behave like the Roman Empire?
IANAB but this 10min video on abiogenisis is brilliant.
Yes, politics is the art of winning a debate regardless of wether you actually belive the argument or not, it's unfortunately a nessacary distortion if society of semi-rational individuals is to function. Before anyone takes offence my argument is that we are all semi-rational and it takes a consious effort to be skeptical of your own emotions, just as it takes a consious effort for a religious person to be critical of their own "faith".
;)
All sides of politics at some time or another accuse science of being bias, this in my mind says that over a long enough time science is unbiased. In a democracy when a politician makes it to the top they have done so by winning debates. The emporer ALWAYS has no clothes but pointing that out is like tossing the first turd in a shitfight. The reaction is emotional (see the rest of this thread for examples, or just phyco analyse this one). Regardless of training reason doesn't come into it when someone starts removing the foundations of your world view, well at least not until you contemplate fixing them.
I'm no different and my only excuse is we ALL do it, the 'secret' is to acknowledge that before you have spent the next 10yrs typing profanities at strangers. Science comes in the form of stories, you may know a lot about one corner of a page but to all of us science on the whole is told to us with stories. Religion comes in the form of stories and morals that often match our naturally evolved sense of cooperation that formed societies in the first place. There's also an invisible guy who really wants you to learn the morals not the details of the stories, oh and btw he can see in your head and crush you like a grape. - ie: let he who hath not sinned cast the first troll.
Speaking of expanding..."Graphene has a surface area of 2,630 square meters, almost the area of a football field, per gram of material."... As a young man I plugged a large 12v capacitor into a 240v outlet because I thought....hmmm....if a 9v battery make that big a spark....Ten minutes later I had it screwed to a wooden booard with a domestic power cord attached....KABOOM!!!....my room was covered in sticky silvery confetti...you get where I'm going, graphene would go off like a fuel air bomb! All this leads me to the conclusing that .....
/sorry
If you car has a graphene ultracapacitor, resources consume you!