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Palin Email Hacker Found
mortonda writes to tell us that the person responsible for breaching Sarah Palin's private email account has been found. We discussed the breach last Wednesday, shortly before the hacker, a University of Tennessee-Knoxville student, posted a message detailing his methods. Wired has a story examining the potential legal consequences for the hacker.
Cracker is an idiot. Ever hear of Tor? Or better yet, post the information on something like Freenet and just advertise it on Freenet somehow and let other people get the information out to the main web.
Of course, the fact that he posted his nick on /b/ when it's usually forced-anon anyway means he basically confessed. Not to mention that he said which proxy service he used -- note to criminals: if you want to get away with something, don't brag about how you did it!
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So "hacking" now includes password guessing?
End of lesson. You may press the button.
There's no evidence that we know of that this kid was indeed the hacker other than a post on /b/. And accepting a post on /b/ to be reliable information is like... trusting /.'s front page.
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I would hope that the punishment would be the same as would be handed out to someone that hacked my hotmail count.
Not that, you know, I have a hotmail account...
Gee, why'd that get left out?
Anyone really think Slashdot would have left out "Republican" had the child of a Republican politician hacked Barack Obama's personal email?
I guess not even 7 proxies could save you.
Either way, it's too bad the other email address didn't get checked; then perhaps he could of gotten the interesting emails.
If you can't disable the "recover password question", at least type a lot of random characters as the answer.
OK, so the student did a stupid and illegal thing. Got it. Now, let's ask ourselves this: Why is Sarah Palin using a private account when she is Governor? She has no respect for the sunshine laws that are supposed to make government transparent. She's not the first; the White House staff also used their acces to the RNC email system and other private providers to go around the legalites of compliance with archiving regulations. If you're going to hunt the student down and make him pay for the crime, then I just hope some smart defense attorney uses discovery to fully explore what she was sending and what she was reading in her "private" correspondence.
"It would be a stretch to charge a felony [in the Palin case], but if they want to be hard on [the hacker], they could do that,"
Let's see. Hacking into the Republican VP candidate's email under the Bush regime. Gosh, what are the odds they will find a judge who will bite on the felony rap? I mean, really, if any words comes to mind when I think of Neocons it must be "forgiving" and "merciful".
The important thing is that prosecution comes. Regardless of the politics involved, if there's no charges then any online email service is essentially useless for private communication. Not to mention the law on such matters doesn't "matter."
I read in some article that even thou he used a proxy, he posted screenshots which listed the address of the proxy... which would be retarded, unless it was a fake address that was intentionally posted and was in fact different.
...anyone would even care if this were anyone else's email account.
Seriously, how many yahoo accounts get hacked a day? And WHO cares? Seriously, does ANY DA care about those crimes and looks to prosecute? Yahoo definitely doesn't care. And what are the victims suppose to do? Call 911? The FBI?
DAs are given the authority to use the law to prosecute who they want. It should be that the law tells which DA to prosecute which crime, and not the other way around as it is now.
I can't wait until someone hacks her paypal account.
From the looks of the screenshots, it was used for personal and political communications.
This HAS to be done to avoid a charge of "misuse of state resources" - ie: doing "political activity" via public networks, which is illegal. Congressmen have gone to prison for doing just that.
Anyone in public office is required to use private systems for personal and political activity.
Indeed, here in Pittsburgh the Feds are prosecuting Cyril Wecht for using county phone/fax machines for his private side business.
What I've seen here is that Palin properly followed the demarcation line between "official business" which is done via official state systems, and "private communications" which may NOT be done via state systems.
It seems that the haters making all the noise here don't understand the difference between official and personal messages. Or maybe they are disappointed that she actually seems to have followed the law, and didn't give them the "gotcha" moment they crave.
As for the hacker, hopefully the Feds will give him a nice long stay in a real PMITA prison with a guy named Bubba.
Does guessing a poorly chosen password really count as hacking?
wtf are you doing on a 'left leaning' website anyway ?
from what i came to understood by reading you americans' posts on slashdot, american conservatives tend to label anything that is pro-freedom or free speech as 'left'.
if freedom hurts so much, get the fuck out of slashdot.
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They might give the kid a partial immunity deal if he gives up someone in office or the Obama campaign.
It's been reported that his father is an ultra-liberal Democrat in state office - who does have some serious connections with the Obama campaign.
IF (big "if") there is any link to any campaign, then we have almost the exact same thing as Watergate going on here. This would then be the first "-gate" scandal since the original that actually deserves the name.
Can anyone say "what did they know and when did they know it?"
Everyone seems to have left out the detail about the guy's father being a Democratic state representative from Tennessee. Were the parties reversed, would that have been the headline?
I'm glad to see Wikileaks is back up, along with the Palin article. For a while I thought it was being censored by the thugs in charge.
What a shame the media is focusing on the hacking angle rather than on Palin's inappropriate use of personal communications channels for government business.
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
Calling this guy a hacker is a wee bit of an overstatement. Here is a video reconstruction of what he did: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/how-sarah-palin-email-got-hacked Not really a "Hack", just using the password recovery process.
Irongeek's Hacking Videos / Security Videos and Articles
The Secret Service will see to that.
Or maybe the CIA.
constitutional rights and freedoms.
is this the behaviour we should expect from republican party ?
oh wait - yes it is !! because THEY DID IT.
and thats coming to you from a turk living in turkey. go figure the grimness of your situation.
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By Palin using yahoo, it's not closely watched and she can conduct official business off the record.
Or you know, she could in fact SEND PERSONAL EMAIL. Are you saying that no government employee should be able to have a personal email account? Then I guess you're OK with AT&T recording phone conversations without a warrant, because if government employees should not be able to have any private life why should you?
The kid even said there were NO incriminating emails in the account (see: Wired story). So get off your high horse and allow for humans to be humans and have something of a life, even if it's one of your dreaded Repuglithuggnaughtterizies.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Sweet fucking christ.
As opposed to how the Republicans, operating under tacit -- if not explicit -- Presidental approval, broke into the Watergate Hotel?
Say what you will about underhanded Democratic tactics, but there is *no* way you can tell me the Republicans play nice. Period.
No, but its pretty predictable for teenagers and /b/tards...
Regardless of who the account belonged to, I support them frying this guy. We are a nation of laws not of men. I support freedom of speech, I support net neutrality, and I support internet freedom. I do not support some loserboi playing with peoples email accounts.
I want everyone here to think about how they would respond if the report were about Barack Obama's e-mail account instead. Just shut the fuck up.
1) Buy cheap pc using cash (OLPC or similar)
2) Find open wifi network, choose a place far from where you live
3) Connect to TOR and do your dirty deeds
4) Clean finger prints from PC and trash it, far from where you live
OR
1) Goto internet cafe, ensure cafe has no security cameras
2) Pay with cash
3) Connect to TOR and do your dirty deeds
4) Clean finger prints from computer
Profit?
...the brownshirts abuse "terrorism" laws against this individual.
The real criminal here is Palin. How can Bush cronies repeatedly get away with violating public records and accountability measures? It's disgusting.
you had me at #!
Using this label gives this guy far too much credit.
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A better headline would have been Legal punishment options for Palin email thief.
because barack obama is not someone that tries to evade public oversight by using private emails for government work.
so shut yer trap.
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He can just register as a Republican-- then he can safely ignore any subpoena, tell the media that the investigation is politically motivated, and get off scot-free!
A number of those emails seem to be very state-businessy looking at who they are all from. And apparently they were using those accounts in order to have the ability to quickly delete any email they wanted rather than be subject to maintaining them for FOIA requests.
It is no longer uncommon to be uncommon.
First off, I don't think this guy was really from "Anonymous" or anyone like that - I think he was just someone who wanted attention.
Quoting from TFA:
As detailed in the postings, the Palin hack didn't require any real skill. Instead, the hacker simply reset Palin's password using her birthdate, ZIP code and information about where she met her spouse -- the security question on her Yahoo account, which was answered (Wasilla High) by a simple Google search.
This proves how fundamentally flawed the "Password Recovery" system, used by many websites, really is. Even if this had happened ot an average Joe guy, all one would have to do to get his security question answer is simply know the guy and his past. The questions are SO GENERIC that anyone could easily guess or find out the answer!
Like the common "Mother's maiden name". All you need to do is Google the target's full name! If the target or anyone remotely related to them ever made a family tree, you'll find the tree - including the target's mother's maiden name.
So if it's THAT EASY for an average guy, doing this for a politician whose ENTIRE LIFE STORY has been told countless times on TV, online, on the news, and on the radio, is as simple as one Google search.
I hope everyone running for President right now learns this, and, when someone becomes America's next President, has the sense to change this issue (cough)Obama(cough).
Huh? The system worked as designed; he didn't "fool" anything.
From the ctunnel website: "Because government subpenoa could require us to hand over our server access logs, access logs are regularly deleted to protect your privacy. " This guy is a dick because he should have deleted his logs right away when he first caught wind of the Palin thing. Instead he waited for the FBI to call him and threaten him not to delete the logs before they got a subpoena. Actually, I always wonder, why keep logs at all?
What was the last law that benefited people but not corporations?
When Fyodor owned a Slashdot troll on this site years ago, nothing happened to him. The only reason this was pursued is the target- and the guy probably did deserve what happened to him. It's important to remember when pondering this person's sentence, that in this democracy, where we have no royalty, sometimes the laws only count when the victim has power. I for one would vote not guilty if placed on this person's jury. I was in the crowd at Defcon a few months ago while hundreds cheered to Fyodor's jokes about committing updates to the same tool he's been writing for ten years. His only differentiator is intelligent target selection: attack the weak.
If somebody hacked my email would they start a huge investigation or is justice only for the privileged few.
No sig today...
Leave the goose-stepping Republicans to us. You don't see us getting involved in the Istanbul/Constantinople thing. (:
Note some of the "work related" stuff were personal comments, not work related, about the topic.
It is illegal for government representatives to use their work related email for anything not related to work. Most recently up here, state legislators were campaigning for others and their party, on work time and work emails. This is a clear violation of the State's Ethics.
So its not surprising that Sarah would have a personal account where she does personal things.
Until the FBI gets the logs from ctunnel, all we are going on is an anonymous post on message board. Which doesn't mean much.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/17/palins_yahoo_account_hacked.html
Among the e-mails released as part of the records request in June were several from Frye asking a state official whether private e-mail accounts and messages sent to BlackBerry devices are immune to subpoena, then reporting the answer to the governor and her husband, Todd, who also uses a Yahoo! mail address.
Asking if Yahoo accounts are subject to subpoena and relaying the answer to the governor suggests to me that the accounts were not simple private email accounts.
Interesting how this summary and the actual FA don't mention this.
The "hacker" is the son of a Democrat Tennessee state representative.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115158
Of course Democrats wouldn't resort to dirty trickery to try to dig up dirt on the opposition, they just need to let the dirt find them!
But what's this, this personal Yahoo account was used for... personal emails? OMGWTF??? No incriminating cronyism or backroom deals? Keep digging there must be something bad in there....
All of this will no doubt be modded down and buried by the extreme left /. groupthink but eh.
The Age in Melbourne Australia reported this two days ago. I love how slow the US News outlets are...
The REAL problem, here, is what impact it will have on could-be-president-Palin's opinion of internet users.
*Whatever* beliefs she previously held on internet anonymity, after this debacle, will have soured. The next time legislation crosses her desk suggesting it be made illegal to gain access to the internet without a personally identifiable 'paper trail' leading directly back to you...
Or the next time someone invents some legislation to try to 'blow up' pirates' (or hackers') PCs...
Or the next time some media conglomerate pushes for severe bandwidth throttling unless you pay for higher service levels (oh, and maybe pass some credit/security checks)... ...well, how do you think she'll vote on those topics *now* that she has personally been attacked? Seems to me her 'small town values' seem to include more "vengeance is mine" than "turn the other cheek".
because obama doesnt use private email for government work, TO ESCAPE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT, it would be an invasion of privacy to hack his account. a total personal affair.
whaddya know, palin DOES use her personal account to dodge public oversight.
its not a personal matter to hack his account. its a public matter.
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the records of the shit palin has been pulling in alaska are NOT lost, and she is still trying to escape justice.
innocent until proven guilty. even if obama was guilty of anything, you dont have anything but zits and tits to support your argument.
whereas proof of palin's power abuse and dodging of public oversight are right in front of your eyes.
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if those republicans didnt mess up ENTIRE world in various ways in the last 8 years.
im not gonna even talk about the wars and unrest they stirred, or what did they try to do to internet. just the latest mega global crisis is enough.
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What you don't get is that the government will make an example out of him. There are billions of dollars spent just for the protection of these individuals. People will be shown that these actions won't be tolerated. It is a shame that he will be demolished, but trust me, everyone will understand that this is something you will think twice about before someone tries to do again. If it were anyone else the FBI, Secret Service, NSA, and whomever else wouldn't be investigating this. I feel bad for this kid, but, everyone will see what will happen if someone else tries this to another person under presidential security.
Hackers could never shut their mouths properly. They do all kinds of variously clever stuff, but it all has to be "shared" with all and everybody, including people who don't give a shit.
To paraphrase here,
"The greatest hack the Devil ever pulled is convincing the Internet he don't exist."
I missed the part on slashdot where I have to register my political bias!
You don't, but you should ponder carefully that your bias is now distorting your view of facts to the degree that it's so obvious where your biases are.
In companies I've worked for I send personally email to some people as well, because I get to know them and some conversations are just more personal. That you cannot recognize this line exists informs us that you have reached the state of Total Subject Demonization, and cannot be reasoned with - or indeed, seem to see reason. And that is sad.
I would fully expect Obama to have a personal email account, and to have used it to send emails to people like Biden or Hillary. Yet I see nothing nefarious or wrong with that. Some conversations must be allowed to occur outside the channel so sometimes feelings can be vented and real things can be said.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Do you know that she seems to have been using the account for gov business? No matter what the kid said or saw there is more to it than you seem to know.
I'm not sure how YOU know that given that the kid did not think so. Read the wired story, he said there was nothing there. Sending email to co-workers is not a crime. Have YOU never used a personal email account to send email to people you work with? Guess you're hiding something too!!
You obviously just have it in for her and she can do no right.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Anon delivered.
The TG Daily article is still the same speculation from three days ago. Allegedly MSNBC confirmed Kernell's involvement today, but I cant find it on their site. I'm holding out hope.
"She wasn't using the account for gov business, at least not based on what was posted on wikileaks, or according to the purported "Hacker". It was personal e-mail, in some cases about how she and others were being treated personally in the political arena, but not anything related to official government business."
You don't know that. It could have been deleted. The claim is that she used yahoo to not keep a trail, so why keep a trail. You delete them.
"As Officer Bar Brady says "Nothin to see here, move along now"."
Yeah, turn the back while we rape nature, kill the wildlife and pollute the oceans.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
its irrelevant whether they just said 'hi' to each other, one using private email, other using govt. email.
its still a violation of the laws. you CANT use your private email to correspond with someone through govt. email. thats as simple as that.
vigilantism is unfortunately a necessity of our times, because we are living in times in which people are being stripped of all their modern constitutional rights by many governments around the world. there are noone but you, the people, to protect your interests. not even senators or representatives.
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good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things.
That statement, verbatim, applies to so many things in life...
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
"I mean for instance when she talks about her son beeing deployed in Iraq. Isn't it frightening to see an aspiring political leader buy into peasants propaganda? She wants to get into a leadership position and talks herd."
(quoted for truth)
(Emphasis added is mine.)
So now, "seems" is enough to rate a finding of guilty in your book? It's funny, I've seen many a political discussion on /. and when the person in question is a liberal/Democrat, then "seems" means we should either find the person innocent in the court of public opinion, or at least reserve judgement until a court renders theirs, and then maybe even say the person was railroaded. However, when the person in question is a conservative/Republican, then "seems" is the equivilent of caught-red-handed-flail-them-lock-them-up-throw-away-the-key.
It seems to me that many who are afraid the "other side" will destroy the Constitution are all too ready to destroy it when its someone they disagree with who will be the victim.
Not a very open-minded, nor enlightened approach.
Please have the courtesy of reserving judgement until such a time all the facts are in.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
This kid is an assclown, and deserves to have the book thrown at him.
POS's like him are the reason you now get sued for breaching someone's network, rather than given a job.
Hopefully He's already seen Office Space, so FPMITAP (Federal Pound Me In The Arse Prison) won't be so foreign to him (In reality, He'll be stuck in Lompoc Federal Criminal Training Center... Err Correctional Facility).
Seriously, the act, dessiminating the information and just being a straight assclown for the fame of it makes him deserving of a technical Darwin award. And thanks for taking the legitimacy out of security work, idiot.
--Toll_Free
1. I work in government, and have never seen anything preventing use of a personal account for business. In fact its often necessary, since I cannot login to my government acct from home, on the road, etc...
2. Some personal activities on government computers are generally permitted based on the agency.
3. If she was trying to "hide" something as everyone insinuates she would not have chosen Yahoo, Google or any other major online sight that archives emails, chats, etc...
4. Any government acct tends to be short lived, especially for an elected official or anyone in the military. There are things that you want to maintain from one position to the next - you can't do that with a govt acct.
5. Despite Michael Moore's claims not everything done by a Republican is part of a conspiracy, cover-up, etc...
I believe this man, who has illegally spied on a member of the government, should face the full and certain penalty that those who illegal spy at the /behest/ of the government should face.
No penalty for this unconscionable breach of privacy is too harsh or severe, no fine too large, no jail term too great. He should face them---
Oh? Really? I guess that does change things, doesn't it.
Yahoo! Pipes are awesome. How awesome? http://pipes.yahoo.com/jesdynf/slashdot
What a relief that the hacker "found nothing incriminating". I had been reading some worrying things about the email being used for both personal and governmental business. Glad this nonpartisan article cleared that up. Also glad it turns out that Palin actually did not give an introductory speech to the Alaska Independence Group in 2008. And that she had always, always opposed the Bridge To Nowhere and is not a flip-flopper. And that she's never abused her power to get people fired. And that those funny photos showing her not pregnant while her daughter was.. were taken of some lookalike family, not hers. So glad the GOP has finally found somebody without a trace of corruption or lies.
Though there seem to be some people that agree with your distortion the ACTUAL GUY WHO READ THE EMAILS said there was nothing incriminating. And your opinion seems to rest on this sentence from your article:
"And, he said later, she appropriately uses her personal Yahoo account for political activities."
When read carefully that means the email is being used appropriately, which means state business that is public is not discussed there.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
This is nothing more than crap. No one has found this "hacker" and no one knows where he is. The article linked in this post tells of ways they are trying to find him/her/them but there is NOTHING that says he was found. In fact the only news sources saying he was, is the website in this post, and slashdot. I can see FOX News not doing simple research on this, but /.? Fact is I know for a 100% fact that 1) no one knows who the hacker(s) are 2) no one knows where they are. 3) I can say for a fact that anyone involved with this is safe and sound.
Assuming what I've read is accurate:
* He admits his objective was to gain material to use to sabotage Palin's bid for VP
* He hacked into the email account of the freaking governor of Alaska to do so
* He knew that, unsurprisingly, this is both illegal and a real bad idea
You're a college student? Lovely. I'm sure they'll let you take correspondance courses from prison. You can complain to the guy in the cell next to you, who was a high school student when they busted him for posession with intent to sell. Boo hoo, you're comfortably middle class and should have your felony excused -- tell it to the dealer, he'll have plenty of time to listen to you.
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
This is nothing more than crap. No one has found this "hacker" and no one knows where he is. The article linked in this post tells of ways they are trying to find him/her/them but there is NOTHING that says he was found. In fact the only news sources saying he was, is the website in this post, and slashdot. I can see FOX News not doing simple research on this, but /.? Fact is I know for a 100% fact that 1) no one knows who the hacker(s) are 2) no one knows where they are. 3) I can say for a fact that anyone involved with this is safe and sound.
As others previously posted, there is much more at stake here:
1. She has little understanding of the principles of security protocol and best practices by making it so easy to get into the Yahoo account.
2. It appears she is not using the account for official business beyond providing a cc: for emails that are official, so that she may check them remotely.
3. How does anyone really know what she's using the Yahoo account for, if she's been deleting mail that could cause her trouble, knowing that there had already been attention focused on her for this?
4. This has to stop. When government ceases to operate with accountability, it is no longer being run with the consent of the governed.
As someone said on the wired blog, if she is not a terrorist what does she have to hide? She is a law abiding government official. This was her personal account. It must therefor not contain any official emails either. Hence, all these must be personal emails and and again since she is not a terrorist she has nothing to hide. But wait ... the Republicans felt that the "pig comment" was directed at her. Now I understand: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
Subject headings.
If they were just "how's hubby doing?" then send them to the non-gov address.
Evidence. That which is seen.
Seen that.
Evidence.
Happy?
on my proxy servers, I don't keep logs. :P
you had me at #!
The guy went in looking for evidence of improper use of email and stated that he couldn't find anything. With a few exceptions, the email content was simply family and other personal things. Considering what he was looking for it, he would have posted anything he felt was incriminating.
Regardless of what any normal person would have done to them this kid will have the book thrown at them. There are billions of dollars spent on protecting these individuals for a reason. They are going to make an example of him to his destruction. You can be sure that no one in their right mind will do this to a person under presidential protection again again.
The FBI or NSA probably has them all neatly archived somewhere for her anyway. :)
Get your talking point right; he's "Obamessiah". Sheesh. Can't these people at least afford high-quality dittoheads?
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
1. Don't post a message anywhere describing what you did
Brake my mail account and makes me vp.
Demolish my oldies towers and make me king of the world!
What's next?? Forbid oil in name of ecology
and makes me the only electric car provider and world saver???
We lowered the bar 8 years ago. She is, frankly, almost as qualified to be President as the current President. About the only differences are that she's governor of a smaller state (but it's closer to Russia), while Bush co-owned a sports team Palin just talked about sports teams, Palin is even MORE of a religious conservative than Bush, and Bush's parents had the political clout to get him through Yale instead of community college.
Of course, we haven't exactly been doing well with the current President....
That should be the message. "Sarah Palin: Even less qualified than George Bush."
paintball
Did you miss the part where those were emails FROM OTHER PEOPLE to the governor? The issue at question is her sending government emails using the private account. I get a lot of email myself I never respond to.
Furthermore, since those emails were obtained just fine there seems to be no need to open up the private email account.
You do seem to be awfully confused about what belongs where, it's like you've never worked for a company yourself.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
have Public Records laws or "Sunshine Laws"... no need for a FOIA request or to ID yourself. examine your State's Public Records statute(s) via google.
You sound like a schoolboy denying he has a crush on a cute girl. She is SO hot. I would shag that chic rotten. Besides, where are your manners? Under pretty much any circumstance, it's impolite to call other people "hideous."
Anyway... is there even a question? I'm one of those centrist swing voters. You know, the kind of voters that decide the election. From where I stand, I see both parties voting the same way on pretty much everything. FISA, offshore drilling, you name it. Since they're both pretty much the same, it's four years of old men or VP MILF? Hmmm.... Sarah Palin or Barack Hussein Obama ... That's not a tough choice. VPILF Palin, hands down!
The "Secret Question" system is completely worthless, and doesn't require any sort of "hack" to defeat; what does this have to do with whether it was Palin?
oh noes! i thought only old men republicans were racist! oh noes!
also take note that this article was published sometime this morning. i had to go to no less than three msnbc menus to finally find it a whole 8 hours after it's last update. there is no media bias. no sir!
you're just a bunch of lemmings.
According to her wikipedia page she claims to be an advocate of individual freedoms and individual independence.
Direct quote:
And yet, in the next breath, she states that the government should decide for you who you can and cannot marry, and that the government should decide for a woman whether or not she can terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
Direct quote:
This blantant self-contradiction makes me doubt anything she has to say.
"I have yet to see anyone ask Cheney or Palin if they feel they are above the law. Their actions seem to indicate they do. "
But... using a third party email service isn't against the law. If you don't like it, then push for a law that mandates all official communications go through official email channels.
This is like saying someone cheated on their taxes if they put their money into a legal tax haven. If you don't like it, make the tax havens illegal.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
This guy was hired by Obama to do this. Obama will soon be following this guy to prison. Obama is a criminal and encourages criminal activity
"And by violating the air-heads yahoo account, it was shown that Palin has -- just like the current republicans in the White House -- used a non-governmental email account to hide how she uses the powers given her by her office."
Uhh, if you don't think Democrats do this too, you're either naive or foolish or both. And it isn't illegal to use third party email for official communications.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
"Are we suddenly supposed to stop asking questions about whether this woman is experienced enough or capable enough to assume the leadership of the United States of America? We are, after all, engaged in two major wars."
If that was all that was being asked, you'd be right, but when the press indicates you're a horrible mother by running for high office, they've crossed the line. No one asked Joe Biden if he was a bad father when he took office 30 years ago, a widower with two boys that depended on him.
Ask Palin all of the pertinent questions you want, but be honest, much of the crap being slung at her isn't about questions of fitness for office or policy, but tabloid crap like "so, did your daughter really give birth to Trig the retardo boy?".
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Unfortunately, it seems that everyone is a hypocrite nowadays. Some kid breaks into Palin's email and it's treated like no big deal. From TFA, he's just a curious kid, he'll probably get away with it, worst case, zero to six months in jail. But God forbid if he had broken into, oh I don't know, Obama's email, the whole world would demand for that kid to fry in the electric chair. We're not talking about the subtle legal nuance of whether an email that was unread or read is considered a stored communication under some obscure law or another. We're talking about a person's personal information being stolen without their consent and widely distributed on the Internet. I don't give a damn if it's Palin's email, Obama's email, or your grandma's email. It's wrong.
McCain/Palin '08. Now THAT's hope and change!
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Our common law actually has a lot in common with Shari'a in terms of how it works.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Historically, British and US law have worked well in ensuring liberty and progress for their people.
I don't think one can establish that one system is "better" than the other by example, but since you do give examples, keep this in mind: Napoleonic law was created by a military dictator and was the basis of both Nazi and Vichy law.
small-town hockey mom becomes vice presidential candidate
First off, it's Governor of one of our 50 states becomes Vice Presidental Candidate. Which to me, is far better than seeing "Illinois Community Organizer becomes Presidential Candidate".
You are a sexist ass, no matter your protestations to the contrary. Palin is at least as qualified as Obama, but you don't give her the chance because she's a woman and you're a partisan hack.
Just use something you can remember that is not online for all your online questions. Look around the room and find something with a name on it and just use it, regardless of the question. Or pick a number you can remember, or both. My mothers maiden name? 42 or maybe 12345. The name of my pet? Lysol. Make sure it has nothing actually to do with you. Probably use some word/number combo to make it a little more secure, but make sure it is easy for you to remember, and use the SAME answer for all questions. Otherwise you will never keep it straight.
One exception the SAME answer is for financial accounts. Pick a different answer for those type of accounts than the other ones. That way, if someone hacks the crappy website you posted a blog for last week, they can't steal your recovery password for your bank.
"Be grateful for what you have. You may never know when you may lose it."
HuHuHu.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
About the only differences are that she's governor of a smaller state
Actually, Alaska is much larger than Texas:
Alaska 570,380 square miles Texas 268,820 square milesAlaska is more than twice the size of Texas.
I heard they found photos of Palin having sex with a moose before she shot it!
I love how the people who were most against telecom immunity are now cheering on this illegal invasion of privacy. Meanwhile, those who didn't care when the government illegally spied on millions of Americans now care all of a sudden about the privacy of one little individual.
This fellow is what as known as a useful idiot. The Democratic Party benefits from his conduct and he goes to jail for his conduct. No one in the Party will defend him, lest a situation not totally unlike Watergate arise. It would still be political suicide for them to put their money where there mouth is and get him one of those trial lawyers working pro bono or via defense fund.
Submission as evidence constitutes plaintiff and/or prosecutorial misconduct.
99% of the coverage of this story has been pure shit everywhere i read it. "Palin Email Hacker Found" is pretty misleading considering they haven't found him. there is a big difference between "finding him" and having a good lead (the lead being that the hacker used a proxy, and it should be traceable, but hasn't been traced YET)
here's what we know, which is next to nothing:
-someone who posted on 4chan, a board which has no user accounts -- you are who you say you are -- claiming to be the hacker. he leaves a name for everyone: "rubico". no email address.
-someone notices that a son of a democrat has a an email address which includes the word "rubico", and everyone makes a huge leap and decides this is our guy.
this is all we know.
google "rubico -palin", you'll find the word "rubico" is used by many people for a number of things, about 253,000 things actually. is it a lead, sure. but lets not be so quick to pronounce the case closed.
and if i wanted to go into conspiracy mode: this person claiming responsibility for the hacking is by no means the one who did it. in fact, all he did was profess sarah palin's innocence of any wrong-doing, and leave a very obvious clue behind which points the finger at someone else.
>>a Tennessee university college student and son of
>>state democratic representative Mike Kernell.
Nobody expect me seems to find this fact VERY interesting? The son of a (D) state representative? Now, you can all conjecture over Palin's need for having a personal email account, but this is very fishy...
I've been disappointed, but not surprised, to see the MSM refer to this break-in, which apparently consisted of knowing Palin's zip code and date of birth, as "hacking", but I expected better of Slashdot. I mean, never mind all the hand-wringing about the differences between "hacker" and "cracker" over the past 25 years, people at LEAST used to have a higher standard for what "hacker" meant than "someone who can use a phone book".
I got some idea where this came from. His address is listed too. David Kernell. He was having a party when they came knocking, I guess a farewell party? I need to check if he is in the LUG. I'd hate to have that kid's crap forwarded to me. He is not officially charged yet. Oh and please back off on Palin. Good grief! Anonymous was not involved. I know.
We seem to be dealing with a false dichotomy here. It is not the case that any kind of crime against privacy is justifiable if it finds something. Nor is it the case that an invasion of privacy excuses any improprieties that were found. Logically the two are completely unrelated.
I think Governor Palin's privacy was violated, and that the violations uncovered evidence of impropriety on her part -- specifically conducting state business via a personal account. The rules broken here are to protect the public: from invasion of privacy in the case suspicion only, and from government officials evading accountability by hiding their conduct of public business.
Of the two, I judge the privacy violation more serious, but neither of the violations here are things we want to encourage. Of the two, I'd say the account cracker ought to do jail time or public service, and the governor ought to promise to stop mixing private and public business and voluntarily appoint a trusted third party to, for some period of time, examine her private email correspondence and vouch that she is not conducting state business with it.
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Meanwhile, Gabriel Ramuglia, webmaster of Ctunnel, the proxy service used to attack the Yahoo account, has identified the IP user of the perpetrator but he doesn't think it points to Kernell, Computerworld reports.
"Because I'm not in contact with the Internet service provider, I'm not 100% sure of where the IP is based," he said. "But from what I can tell, the IP address doesn't look consistent with the media reports."
The FBI will be able to close the loop, though, with the records of the ISP to which that IP address is assigned. Ramuglia said it is a small, residential ISP.
Now, it's always possible that he compromised someone else's box or drove a long distance away to someone else's computer.
That was either the start of something bad or the end of something stupid.
I think John Nance Garner has the best view of the Vice Presidency: "Not worth a bucket of warm spit".
This was FDR's Vice President before Truman (1933-1941).
I think all this attention is a bit over the top.
When LBJ was President of the United States, and word came that Winston Churchill had died, and of course the United States had to send someone to the funeral, a staffer suggested "Send Hubert.", and Lyndon said, "Hubert who?". Someone had to gently remind LBJ that Hubert Humphrey was his Vice President.
Anyone remember George H.W. Bush's Vice President? Dan Quayle? My favorite quote from him was, "I like coming to Latin America, but I don't speak Latin."
And frankly (let me be honest here) when they were Vice Presidents both George H.W. Bush and Albert Gore had a special, amazing, +10 ability to stun audiences with boring speeches. There were rumours at the time that they ran Windows NT inside as their internal operating systems. I've begun to believe that something about the office of Vice President causes a sort of virtual lobotomy to occur.
If either Sarah whatsername or ... is it Joe or Ed? whatzisname get elected, I expect that's about the last we'll hear from them.
This was a pretty boring election, really, until Sarah ... what IS her name? ... showed up with her snow-mobiling husband. This gave the media someone to smother and fume and pontificate about. And then the media got to fume about its own behavior. But that stuff has a limited half-life because the media is the only one who cares about that. (The media is worth only a cup of cold spit, you see).
*grin*
Dave Small
I think all of Anonymous should be tried and found guilty for this. Arrest all of them! I'm tired of them ruining the internet anyways. They are useless and they are taking up my air. After all, what use do we have for people like this? The same people who hacked into the Epilepsy forum causing people seizures and teen suicides via cyber bullying on their little faggoty wiki site. I say we find them and arrest them. And shut down every place they breed. Thats the only way to stop them from causing people harm. As long as they have a place to go, they will exist in numbers.
Troll? Really? I hardly think so.
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Invasion of privacy!!!
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Ramuglia said Sunday that the IP address he found in the proxy service logs didn't "look consistent" with reports identifying Kernell. By today, however, he had changed his mind.
"It became clear that the ISP, in addition to serving Illinois, also serves Tennessee, which means that the IP address could actually be consistent with the news reports," Ramuglia said today.
That was either the start of something bad or the end of something stupid.
fu
Nope - but I know how the guys in the political world work. ANY link, however tenuous, is enough to start an everlasting investigation.
Most of these are just witch hunts done for political advantage.
It's what they've done to every administration since Nixon.