I think the blackstone code was a port of Sun's code, under a license that gave Sun the rights to the code. So this should be legal, although still not right. I can't get through to the article, so I can't be sure of this. treke
Not quite on topic, but jeremy mentions an unsupported folder. My understanding that the Linux version is a fully supported product unlike Unreal tournament. Is this incorrect? treke
Not quite on topic, but jeremy mentions an unsupported folder. My understanding that the Linux version is a fully supported product. Is this incorrect? treke
I disagree that interest in gaming is dying out... Just watch the continual refinement in gaming hardware, not to mention the tons of cash being poured into game development. The playstation 2 is generating a lot of interest because it is new, not necesarrily because it will kill pc gaming. I think they will both survive, most pc gamers I know also use a playstation/dreamcast/n64/whatever treke
I realize I can get the binaries after christmas, but where am I until then. I may be in the minority and have a misconfigured system, but I get 3 frames a second @ 320 x 200, 16 bit color(as reported by cg_drawfps) on a P3 450 with 256 meg RAM and a TNT 2 Using the GLX module for TNT 2s, slightly faster results were obtained when using the XFree 3.9 snapshot (5fps). This aint gonna hold me over for a month. Maybe if I thought I'd be able to get a friends copy of the Windows version to use till I could dl the binaries I'd think differently, but that is unlikely for me. I'd like to support Linux, but I also want Quake. treke
I for one will probably not wait, why? Because the Linux version will not work for me. I've been unable to get my video card to run the demo at a reasonable speed, so I will use it under Windows where I can get damn good speed at 1024x768. I could buy the linux version when it finally makes it to store shelves, only to have to wait another month or so to be able to play it under windows. Now if someone finds a way to make my TNT 2 perform like it does under Windows before the I buy quake 3 I may change my mind treke
I'm no lawyer or GPL expert, but I remember reading that driver modules do not have to be GPL, I think it falls under the exemption that Linux added to the license for the kernel. They could probably write an essential module that the system can't, maybe the display and input drivers, properly work without, and make it proprietary. But you would be free to use the kernel till hell freezes over. That would definitly violate the spirit of the law, but might be within the letter of the law. Just IMHO treke
But they are making a educated assumption. Sad as it may be, the fact of the matter is that most people are browsing the web on windows pcs, or macs. And macs do have a version of internet explorer(and a pretty good one from what i've seen treke
USB support, dvd, scsi, 3d accelerators. Yep pretty ancient. Seriously, Linux was written in 1991, and has been regularly updated ever since. I wonder how much original code is still in the kernel. I also disagree that MS operating systems are dated. For a desktop system NT, and what i've used of 2000, is a pretty decent platform. Even under moderate usage it is fairly stable. It's good enough for most people. As for the PDP11 environement, well if it works why change it. I;ve got plenty of GUI tools that work with the text configuration files. Works fine. treke
Ok, I must have been too tired to get that the first time around. I certainly hope linux gets a good browser. I'll be looking forward to seeing a good browser under Linux, I personally don't like netscape. Any recommendations? treke
You're missing the point, why should she have to give up access to coupons and other plugin based systems just because she uses linux. Wonder if this falls under any US anti discrimination laws:) treke
We have the right to view the disks that we have paid a licensing fee on, using the drives we have purchased, and decode with the cards we have bought. Network card companies have been shipping drivers for a dozen os's for many years now. Now I admit network cards are used on linux more often than DVD decoders and drives would be if the software is available, but it shows that it can be worth the money to make hardware usable on different platforms. treke
Linux is not the problem, it's the software that is the problem. If an app that played DVD movies was released would you continue to reboot to watch the videos under the Win 98? Let's get some hardware and software support. Maybe Zoran or Xing could port their players. treke
This is the opposite reason I bought my CE machine. It was cheaper than the palms with equivalent features. Maybe when the Visors come out I'll switch. treke
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ooops. Blackdown, it's been a looong night
treke
I think the blackstone code was a port of Sun's code, under a license that gave Sun the rights to the code. So this should be legal, although still not right. I can't get through to the article, so I can't be sure of this.
treke
Oops sorry, didn't mean to post twice
treke
Not quite on topic, but jeremy mentions an unsupported folder. My understanding that the Linux version is a fully supported product unlike Unreal tournament. Is this incorrect?
treke
Not quite on topic, but jeremy mentions an unsupported folder. My understanding that the Linux version is a fully supported product. Is this incorrect?
treke
I'm not a Lawyer I believe that under current law there isn't a distinction between corporations and individuals. I may be wrong though
treke
I disagree that interest in gaming is dying out... Just watch the continual refinement in gaming hardware, not to mention the tons of cash being poured into game development. The playstation 2 is generating a lot of interest because it is new, not necesarrily because it will kill pc gaming. I think they will both survive, most pc gamers I know also use a playstation/dreamcast/n64/whatever
treke
I realize I can get the binaries after christmas, but where am I until then. I may be in the minority and have a misconfigured system, but I get 3 frames a second @ 320 x 200, 16 bit color(as reported by cg_drawfps) on a P3 450 with 256 meg RAM and a TNT 2 Using the GLX module for TNT 2s, slightly faster results were obtained when using the XFree 3.9 snapshot (5fps). This aint gonna hold me over for a month. Maybe if I thought I'd be able to get a friends copy of the Windows version to use till I could dl the binaries I'd think differently, but that is unlikely for me. I'd like to support Linux, but I also want Quake.
treke
I for one will probably not wait, why? Because the Linux version will not work for me. I've been unable to get my video card to run the demo at a reasonable speed, so I will use it under Windows where I can get damn good speed at 1024x768. I could buy the linux version when it finally makes it to store shelves, only to have to wait another month or so to be able to play it under windows. Now if someone finds a way to make my TNT 2 perform like it does under Windows before the I buy quake 3 I may change my mind
treke
I'm no lawyer or GPL expert, but I remember reading that driver modules do not have to be GPL, I think it falls under the exemption that Linux added to the license for the kernel. They could probably write an essential module that the system can't, maybe the display and input drivers, properly work without, and make it proprietary. But you would be free to use the kernel till hell freezes over. That would definitly violate the spirit of the law, but might be within the letter of the law. Just IMHO
treke
Ooops. was thinking DEC PDP, but didnt associate it with Digital :)
treke
Unix was written long before Digital
treke
But they are making a educated assumption. Sad as it may be, the fact of the matter is that most people are browsing the web on windows pcs, or macs. And macs do have a version of internet explorer(and a pretty good one from what i've seen
treke
There already is a program called GNUscape Navigator. Look under software at www.gnu.org
treke
USB support, dvd, scsi, 3d accelerators. Yep pretty ancient. Seriously, Linux was written in 1991, and has been regularly updated ever since. I wonder how much original code is still in the kernel. I also disagree that MS operating systems are dated. For a desktop system NT, and what i've used of 2000, is a pretty decent platform. Even under moderate usage it is fairly stable. It's good enough for most people. As for the PDP11 environement, well if it works why change it. I;ve got plenty of GUI tools that work with the text configuration files. Works fine.
treke
Ok, I must have been too tired to get that the first time around. I certainly hope linux gets a good browser. I'll be looking forward to seeing a good browser under Linux, I personally don't like netscape. Any recommendations?
treke
How will samba help us? It's just for Windows file and print sharing, or am I mistaken?
treke
I can agree with that. Down with Vons! Viva Albertsons!
treke
You're missing the point, why should she have to give up access to coupons and other plugin based systems just because she uses linux. Wonder if this falls under any US anti discrimination laws :)
treke
We have the right to view the disks that we have paid a licensing fee on, using the drives we have purchased, and decode with the cards we have bought. Network card companies have been shipping drivers for a dozen os's for many years now. Now I admit network cards are used on linux more often than DVD decoders and drives would be if the software is available, but it shows that it can be worth the money to make hardware usable on different platforms.
treke
Linux is not the problem, it's the software that is the problem. If an app that played DVD movies was released would you continue to reboot to watch the videos under the Win 98? Let's get some hardware and software support. Maybe Zoran or Xing could port their players.
treke
The ext2 files system has this limit, not Linux. I believe DVD disks have their own format that is used on the disk.
treke
He probable meant that ASCI Red was made by intel
treke
But compact flash cards are much less expensive. That and a 340 meg drive is hard to pass up. You could use it as a portable mp3 player also.
treke
This is the opposite reason I bought my CE machine. It was cheaper than the palms with equivalent features. Maybe when the Visors come out I'll switch.
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