As well as adding dummy characters or offsets to my plain-text passwords file, (useful if someone happens to look over my shoulder etc) I initially zipped my plain text file using Winzip. Then I realised that WinZip encryption isn't portable between various zip implementations (and hence platforms).
I've now decided to move my plain-text passwords file to an OpenOffice Write document and save with password option. Not sure what algorithm it uses though, just wanted something that seemed straight forward and fairly transparent without having to explicitly deal with any special software.
And all I can say is... "SHRED THOSE CHECKS, DUMMY!". I have a discover card and get those all the time.
Here in the UK some of the cheques are stolen by casual post office staff before they are delivered, and subsequently used in "Cardholder Not Present" transactions.
Call your CC company and ask them not to send cheques. In the UK at least, they often have an awful level of interest and no-interest free period.
I'm not trying to be a bully, but ignorance doesn't have any real place in an intelligent conversation, online or otherwise. So toss your blame at the SysAdmins all you want, but its really just your IQ (or lack there of) that makes the situation difficult to bare - that was my point for the first post and all subsequent posts...thanks for playing.
Well juding by my last reply and yours I would assert that
- You quote wikipedia on short term memory and its right. I quote on long term memory it and its suddenly wrong?
-The whole issue regarding passwords is RECALL not retention. Thats why they are passwords. And RECALL is clearly NOT permanant. Retention may well be - but "recall" is the crux of the matter - so saying you know researchers that know long term memory is permanent is IRRELEVANT to the discussion, but a good reflection on your character.
- Like it or not, you continue to behave and respond like a childish bully and even when disputing this fact still cannot refrain from baseless insults over the matter.
short term memory throws out (happens immediately) and what makes it to long term (where it stays forever).
Just in case my long reply is too long, my point is Long Term Memory may actually be just Days
So I shouldnt have been talking about short term memory but rather the frustration is passwords having to change faster then the period for which they can be usefully remembered. This of course differs for different people depending on their own personal makeup and how much they really care!
So i'm still confused about what point you were trying to make?
I guess I wasnt making myself clear!
And since you obviously won't believe me about the time duration something is in Short term memory (30-45 seconds) [wikipedia.org], I guess I was a little off...sorry about that.
If you review my posts, I never once disputed (or even asserted) the duration of short term memory. Not once. So its not obvious that I should think this. However there is a misunderstanding due to my incorrect use of terminology. I shall attempt to clarify...
Short term memory is a matter of seconds. That is patently obvious. I was talking about the transition to permanent effortless recall from long term memory. (Altough granted A left the qualifications off in earlier posts)
My error was assuming there was a kind of middle ground. Ie why do so many people forget their passwords after a vacation but can remember it after a weekend. I mistakenly assumed it was because there is a middle type of memory because, like others here who, orinically, argue against me, I thought Long Term memory generally meant "fairly permanent". And tried to reconcile this with experience.
In other words, LONG TERM MEMORY IS NOT BY DEFINITION PERMANENT and can be just minutes, hours, days or years
I shouted that bit out because that is the essense of the point I was clumsily trying to make. Let that soak in, mix it with real life experience, and the point I was trying to make should I hope become clear.
Anyway , as I'm clearly not a memory expert,
My original point being, that just before the password , through recall/usage etc, gets past the stage where it can be remembered for days, months or years, the admin force users to change them. Users then think, that they dont want to invest effort recalling clever passwords that will be redundant in days, so will start using, often insecure, sequences.
Its not that users are too dumb to learn or use clever passwords, but they cant be bothered if its going to change in a months time.
The error is mine for conveying it badly. My mistaken view of "mid-term" memory is actually "short" long-term memory (see shouting above)
Thats all I can say on it because if I havent made it clear after this, I dont think any further attempts will be any better! Not always, but sometimes, its good for the reader (for their own sake) to try and meet someone part of the way!
Gee, it must be so much better walking through life in ignorance and bitterness, aye?
Now this I dont understand - "Bitterness" ???
Surley a bitter person is more likely to throw insults at people they dont know just because they are wrong or badly-convey their point of view. Its very much related to the "bully mentality" IMO.
Except some more spineless bullies find Internet forums and web forums a safe environment to practice their brand of "bitterness" from.
Not every organisation can afford to implement SecureID.
True
Apparentlly you have a sh*ty IT staff.
No our staff abandoned this and went for semi-permanent suitably complex passwords.
Complex passwords can be done if implemeted correctly.
Agreed. Now how often does that happen?
Often bank websites to be the worst. Their password mechanisms are often inferior to ecommerce websites!
Many prohibit non-alphanumeric characters and set length limits at 8 characters.
This takes about a minute to go from short-term to long-term. Once it's in long-term it is there forever, you just have to know how to retrieve it.
If I gave you a completely ramdom sequence of say 10 characters to memorize by rote (ie without using any "memory techniques" other that "rote") then this will *I think* highlight the "other" area of memory besides short and (true)long term.
The time something stays in your short-term memory is less than a minute. Read a book.
I have read a book. Ok I admit just articles.
This takes about a minute to go from short-term to long-term. Once it's in long-term it is there forever
Hmm! I was lead to believe there was intermediate stage between short term and long term memory.
Related to usage.
Eg on return from a long vacation if you remember your password its in your proper long term memory.
Don't blame the policy or the IT people your IQ is too low.
Thats nice.
Grow a brain, use that illusive imagination, or just get an IQ
Ok. Thats nice too.
I'm sure you're a swell guy/gal in real life.
CHANGING PASSWORDS EVERY 60 DAYS IS TOO HARD YOU DICKFUCK!
And if you arsehole IT fucks cant get your brains around that, and design a system the recognises that fact then you shoudl really get a job shovelling manure or something.
Bingo. They totally disregard the different types of memory the human brain has. Just as your ultra secure password is about to make that leap into your long term memory - you have to change it. So even clever people will end up writing them down or reducing them to simple sequences because regularly changing passwords goes against how the human brain works. If you must change passwords constantly then issue everyone with SecureID+Pin (And please dont make them change their pin all the time!)
This isn't going to be a popular sentiment here, but I'd say that the GPL and P2P generally make it tougher to make a living.
Yup. They way I see it is only extremely vertical B2B markets are real money-spinners these days. But if you mess up - people will try to sue you!
And often the is already a product that is entrenched in that sector that you have to compete with, or be suitably different from.
People will still pay for skills though, services and support.
I've glanced at Hotel Booking Systems, Estate Agent s/w and the like and it often looks far less polished (*) than generic end user software (wg WinZip, Nero etc) and the Businesses often dont like using them but its the only choice, best of a bad bunch, or at least better than a bunch of Excel macros.
(*)Sometimes this is simply because it works, so why risk breaking it making it look more snazzy
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And other English reading people (After all it is www.theregister.co.uk)
Note Capitals - despite best efforts:)
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Any exact copy of a DVD will play in all the same DVD players that the original played in.
You cant easily make an "exact" copy of a CSS-encrpyted DVD on DVD+/-R because the CSS Sectors on the pressed DVD cannot be copied onto the DVD+/-R
We'll have to wait to see who picks up that domain name. ( Looks /.ed as I type!)
I've now decided to move my plain-text passwords file to an OpenOffice Write document and save with password option. Not sure what algorithm it uses though, just wanted something that seemed straight forward and fairly transparent without having to explicitly deal with any special software.
Not too clever.
And shippings with Linux distros?
Not downloads.
Downloads through the Gentoo Linux distfiles repository?
Make than 49,000,293 then :)
*Note to self* Get a garage.
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No idea if it's used much outside North America...
Yes England and presumably Ireland!
Proper Symlinks I hope! (not crippled Shortcuts). So damn useful when administering a system.
Make sure you use different brands of media :)
Call your CC company and ask them not to send cheques. In the UK at least, they often have an awful level of interest and no-interest free period.
Mod parent up for a Good chuckle over the holidays.
3 Hour film in theater: $10 (1998)
10+ Views of 3 hour film on VHS/DVD: Another $20
10+ Hours single player gameplay: $50
100+ Hours Multiplayer Gameplay: Same $50
Wait I think I can undercut that ...
Hmm thats odd!Porn is kinda interactive though..
Surprised there is no surprise eh?
Well juding by my last reply and yours I would assert that
- You quote wikipedia on short term memory and its right. I quote on long term memory it and its suddenly wrong?
-The whole issue regarding passwords is RECALL not retention. Thats why they are passwords. And RECALL is clearly NOT permanant. Retention may well be - but "recall" is the crux of the matter - so saying you know researchers that know long term memory is permanent is IRRELEVANT to the discussion, but a good reflection on your character.
- Like it or not, you continue to behave and respond like a childish bully and even when disputing this fact still cannot refrain from baseless insults over the matter.
So I shouldnt have been talking about short term memory but rather the frustration is passwords having to change faster then the period for which they can be usefully remembered. This of course differs for different people depending on their own personal makeup and how much they really care!
I guess I wasnt making myself clear! And since you obviously won't believe me about the time duration something is in Short term memory (30-45 seconds) [wikipedia.org], I guess I was a little off...sorry about that.
If you review my posts, I never once disputed (or even asserted) the duration of short term memory. Not once. So its not obvious that I should think this. However there is a misunderstanding due to my incorrect use of terminology. I shall attempt to clarify...
Short term memory is a matter of seconds. That is patently obvious. I was talking about the transition to permanent effortless recall from long term memory. (Altough granted A left the qualifications off in earlier posts)
My error was assuming there was a kind of middle ground. Ie why do so many people forget their passwords after a vacation but can remember it after a weekend. I mistakenly assumed it was because there is a middle type of memory because, like others here who, orinically, argue against me, I thought Long Term memory generally meant "fairly permanent". And tried to reconcile this with experience.
After reading a bit more my confusion is because Long term memory is from a minute or so to weeks or even years.
In other words, LONG TERM MEMORY IS NOT BY DEFINITION PERMANENT and can be just minutes, hours, days or years
I shouted that bit out because that is the essense of the point I was clumsily trying to make. Let that soak in, mix it with real life experience, and the point I was trying to make should I hope become clear.
Anyway , as I'm clearly not a memory expert, My original point being, that just before the password , through recall/usage etc, gets past the stage where it can be remembered for days, months or years, the admin force users to change them. Users then think, that they dont want to invest effort recalling clever passwords that will be redundant in days, so will start using, often insecure, sequences.
Its not that users are too dumb to learn or use clever passwords, but they cant be bothered if its going to change in a months time.
The error is mine for conveying it badly. My mistaken view of "mid-term" memory is actually "short" long-term memory (see shouting above)
Thats all I can say on it because if I havent made it clear after this, I dont think any further attempts will be any better! Not always, but sometimes, its good for the reader (for their own sake) to try and meet someone part of the way!
Gee, it must be so much better walking through life in ignorance and bitterness, aye?
Now this I dont understand - "Bitterness" ???
Surley a bitter person is more likely to throw insults at people they dont know just because they are wrong or badly-convey their point of view. Its very much related to the "bully mentality" IMO.
Except some more spineless bullies find Internet forums and web forums a safe environment to practice their brand of "bitterness" from.
Not every organisation can afford to implement SecureID. True Apparentlly you have a sh*ty IT staff. No our staff abandoned this and went for semi-permanent suitably complex passwords. Complex passwords can be done if implemeted correctly. Agreed. Now how often does that happen? Often bank websites to be the worst. Their password mechanisms are often inferior to ecommerce websites! Many prohibit non-alphanumeric characters and set length limits at 8 characters.
This takes about a minute to go from short-term to long-term. Once it's in long-term it is there forever, you just have to know how to retrieve it. If I gave you a completely ramdom sequence of say 10 characters to memorize by rote (ie without using any "memory techniques" other that "rote") then this will *I think* highlight the "other" area of memory besides short and (true)long term.
The time something stays in your short-term memory is less than a minute. Read a book. I have read a book. Ok I admit just articles. This takes about a minute to go from short-term to long-term. Once it's in long-term it is there forever Hmm! I was lead to believe there was intermediate stage between short term and long term memory. Related to usage. Eg on return from a long vacation if you remember your password its in your proper long term memory. Don't blame the policy or the IT people your IQ is too low. Thats nice. Grow a brain, use that illusive imagination, or just get an IQ Ok. Thats nice too. I'm sure you're a swell guy/gal in real life.
CHANGING PASSWORDS EVERY 60 DAYS IS TOO HARD YOU DICKFUCK!
And if you arsehole IT fucks cant get your brains around that, and design a system the recognises that fact then you shoudl really get a job shovelling manure or something.
Bingo. They totally disregard the different types of memory the human brain has. Just as your ultra secure password is about to make that leap into your long term memory - you have to change it. So even clever people will end up writing them down or reducing them to simple sequences because regularly changing passwords goes against how the human brain works. If you must change passwords constantly then issue everyone with SecureID+Pin (And please dont make them change their pin all the time!)
This isn't going to be a popular sentiment here, but I'd say that the GPL and P2P generally make it tougher to make a living.
Yup. They way I see it is only extremely vertical B2B markets are real money-spinners these days.
But if you mess up - people will try to sue you!
And often the is already a product that is entrenched in that sector that you have to compete with, or be suitably different from.
People will still pay for skills though, services and support.
I've glanced at Hotel Booking Systems, Estate Agent s/w and the like and it often looks far less polished (*) than generic end user software (wg WinZip, Nero etc) and the Businesses often dont like using them but its the only choice, best of a bad bunch, or at least better than a bunch of Excel macros.
(*)Sometimes this is simply because it works, so why risk breaking it making it look more snazzy
And other English reading people (After all it is www.theregister.co.uk)
Note Capitals - despite best efforts :)
Lordy
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
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A: Definitely Yes.
Why is this different?
Even if GM sent a recall notice to all owners? But you didnt get it because you arent the legal owner?