since were comparing the entire apple product line to one of microsofts, I think its only fair to toss in the second most popular MS product line out there and see how those numbers add up
Does the Xbox have a word processor? A spreadsheet? A presentation creator? Does it have any photo manipulation apps or drawing programs with layers and filters? Are there any movie editors, effects composition apps? Does it have any music creation software available for it?
Apple apparently sold around 260M devices in 2013.
I can't find a full year for Samsung, but they sold 117M phones in Q3 alone.
Q1: 64M
Q2: 70M
Q3: 117M
That's 251M in just 3 quarters. Phones only, no tablets, no laptops.
Apple sales include Mac, iPods, iPhones and iPads.
How many of those samsung phones "shipped" Q3 actually were sold into consumers hands? How many of those Samsung devices "shipped" in Quarter 1 and 2 are in consumers hands right now? We really don't know how many were activated and how many are still in use rather than having been replaced by another device that might or might not be a Samsung. When numbers are reported for Apple devices, those are generally accepted as "sold" into consumers hands and the vast majority of them remain in the hands of those consumers through out at least a year.
If your Mac supports it, it seems to be a free upgrade.
To quote the Spartans: "If."
I have a late-2007 MacBook. Apple decided not to continue to support the Intel graphics driver for it and used it as an excuse to cut it off from 10.8 and above. The notion that I won't even get security updates anymore kind of ticks me off.
Are you an intelligent person? Are you responsible? If you act responsibly, the vectors for attack are few and far between. Take personal responsibility for your security. Think before you click.
I'm glad you're here to defend microsoft when their OS update breaks existing software. Oh wait.. we never see you then.
Apparently your cheerleading is reserved only for Apple.
I spend the majority of my time during weekdays on windows because that is the platform of choice at my employer. There have been stories of patches from Microsoft breaking their "own" software so at my workplace, we tend to be quite conservative when it comes to patches applied in our production environment and we are still using Windows 7 on our desktops and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Windows 8.x is a disaster.
But you go ahead and continue with your irrational jumping to conclusions. For the same reason that my company does not upgrade to Windows 8 desktops, It does not make sense to upgrade to Mavericks in a company environment until you have checked for compatibility with all of the software used in your daily workflow. It might make sense to use a test machine to vet Mavericks before committing to an upgrade and as long as you are careful where you surf at work, you should be fine being behind patches or versions for a while.
Remember that no patches can protect you from zero day exploits so common sense is the only defence you have in that case. Don't be an idiot surfing to unknown sites when at work.
That doesn't mean that all your software works. If your company has decided to run OS X and their mission critical business app doesn't work with the new OS then they can't upgrade. And add the fact that new machines can't be downgraded to the older OS, so you can't buy new hardware either.
And the problem is? Apple is neither responsible or capable of testing all possible combinations of software and hardware. Do you expect them to support third party software directly? You make the choice to use a particular piece of software that does not offer an upgrade. In the meantime, you can simply use some common sense and avoid the most common potential vectors. If you are talking about a "work" machine then you should be using for "work" anyway and not surfing other sites.
If he was a god he wouldnt have to force you, he would have designed you to do it and thought it was your own free will from the start.
I think you are a bit confused. Free will cannot be free will without the possibility of choosing the wrong decision. What is it with you people? You complain when you feel that other people are infringing on your freedoms but then you complain that god gives you the ability to make mistakes. Sure, god could have created man with no free will but what would be the point? We are not androids. We are living beings who are not god so we are capable of making the wrong choice.
You seem to want contradictory things. If god is like a parent to his children (humanity), wouldn't you expect the parent to allow his children to grow and have the opportunity to make the right choices eventually?
One has to wonder, would a meth-addicted God be better or worse than the incomptetent one currently holding sway?
So you want to have a dictatorial god that forces everyone to do everything his way? Is that what you actually want? It is awfully easy to sidestep personal responsibility and morality if you instead decide to blame god for everything bad that men do.
A laptop is a much bigger investment than a screwdriver or hammer, and enough to strain the budgets of most people. They may not be able to afford the ideal model today, or even if they can what is ideal today may not be ideal tomorrow. A laptop that is upgradable may save you a lot of money in the long run. Plus a hammer doesn't have parts that wear out, a laptop does (in particular the battery).
Bullshit. Time is money and if you use a laptop work work, your clients are not going to be interested in your excuses about having upgrade it or get parts for it. You would be a "grown up" and just do what you need to do to get your job done. If your laptop breaks, get a replacement and then worry about repairing the old one. Chances are that if it is more than two years old, it is not even worth repairing in the first place.
Trying to upgrade a 2 year or older laptop is a waste of money.
First, hammers and screwdrivers perform one task. Your modern personal computer is expected to perform many different tasks. My "tool" is used to compile and debug code, write documentation, correspond with others, and provide entertainment. My hammer pounds nails and my screwdriver drives screws. They don't solder, cut wire, or carve wood.
Fine. How about a car analogy? If you work in construction as a general contractor, you need to have a truck that is reliable and able to handle all of the loads you might need to haul, you would get the best truck that you can afford. You would ensure that it had the capabilities that you needed and the reliability that you depend upon. Nobody will want to continue to hire you if your broken arse truck keeps on breaking down because you are always "fixing" it.
If you work in construction then you should be an expert in your field of work and not a jack of all trades. Focus on what you are best at.
Do you upgrade your screw driver? Do you repair your hammer? If the laptop is something that you are using as a tool to do your job then get the correct model in the first place that will meet your current and future needs.
If you are actually using the laptop get work done, don't sell yourself short to save a few bucks.
I removed my facebook app, because my phone would buzz once or twice a day on random posts from 'friends' I barely know. Words With Friends kept buzzing with pointless notifications too. In short, if I can't just forget I have it and use it when i want, then I'll uninstall it.
I assume that you are running Android? Are you saying that those apps on android do not prompt to be able to send notifications in the background? On iOS, an app has to ask for permission to send background notifications and you can always easily disable that ability in the settings app.
Yeah but do you see major companies or major players using it? I see a bunch of research labs from major universities, minor products from some corps, and miscellaneous small companies. Is there a major user / well known product?
No, but thanks for asking. I'm an MSDN subscriber through work and registered (paid) iOS developer on the side.
I've been around on here longer than idiots like you have been accusing anyone who promotes one product over another as being a shill.
Congrats on joining Slashdot before me. I think I was busy working and doing other interesting things.
Microsoft made a lot of shitty claims, but they REVERSED them.
So because they reversed them after intense public pressure, you are going to trust them and believe them? Consider how they ignored complaints about the Start screen in Windows 8 and gave a "start button" that just takes you back to the start screen in the Windows 8.1 update. I would consider that a big "f-you" to customers with a legitimate issue.
Sony continually fucked consumers over. Microsoft did too, just not as much.
What are you talking about? Only a few nerds raged about the removal of the Linux on the PS3 and the DRM on some CDs only affected windows users who bought specific CD and was only effective in installing because of how Microsoft implemented their "auto-play" functionality in windows. In that latter case, Microsoft is partially to blame and they were really big proponents of DRM on everything.
In the grand scheme of things, most consumers were not negatively effected by Sony's missteps but Microsoft screwed over a lot of people with their "PlaysforSure" and Zune products.
The platform that I spend the majority of my time on is Windows because that is what I use at work and my programming language of choice at work is C#. So obviously I'm not a blind Microsoft hater but you do seem to be trying to gloss over what Microsoft has done by trying to create some sort of moral equivalency between Sony and Microsoft.
But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths, with removing promised features, poor security after getting hacked several times, DRM rootkits, propriety crap instead of standards...
It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.
Paid shill anyone? Did you forget the Eye of Sauron on the Xbox One? Did you forget how Microsoft initially was not going to allow resale of games? How much does Microsoft pay you? The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.
How many times to you see a clerk walk up to a 16 year old girl and point out neckties or walk up to a 80 year old man and point out capri pants?
Since you're asking for anecdotes, I'll answer with one. "Never." As in "never, does a clerk walk up and presume they know what I need." Instead, in my country*, they walk up and ask if I need help. And they accept when I tell them I don't. And stop bothering me.
Which doesn't seem to be a viable option any more, thanks to Minority Report Jr.
*In my case, the United States of America. We have many things badly screwed up, but "sales associates" still know their place.
You must consume a lot of spit (among other things) in your restaurant food with that sort of attitude.
Control of the government is another type of control.
So powerful people will control both.
And so the modern role of signals intelligence: to watch you, to separate the majority who are of no consequence, from the minority who run a serious risk of making a difference.
The solution is a scaling back of capitalism. And not a replacement with Soviet state capitalism, either, even though their surveillance had nothing on modern UKUSA.
Bullshit. Human nature is selfish. Capitalism merely recognizes the natural reward response of human beings. Socialism is another form of control and is caused by envy of the success of others.
The socialist societies of the world tend to have the tightest social controls as well. For example, in Norway, you have to get the name of your child approved by the government. The Union of SOCIALIST Soviet Republics aka USSR was locked up tight.
Socialism fails because it ignores what drives people to strive and succeed and try to force social equality upon people instead of allowing people to "share" out of a sense of charity and brotherhood.
Actually no, your iPhone 4 doesn't do 1080p. It scales its SD screen up to 1080p, except for video which can be higher resolution. Even then it isn't really 1080p because the image is heavily compressed. The HDMI adapter cable is basically an AirPlay receiver, and the image quality is awful.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? The iPhone 4/4S/5/5S/5S all do 1080p video both for recording and playback. Compression is not relevant to resolution. One could argue that it can reduce quality however. All of those phones can playback through HDMI and through airplay. The 4 and 4S do not use lightning to it is less compressed when using the HDMI connector than later models but even the lightning adapter is perfectly fine as is the Airplay streaming.
Personally, I see NFC as just another attack vector and would never use it.
But wifi, the mobile network, Bluetooth, BTLE, SMS and the Lightning connector are all fine.
You don't get it. We are talking about how NFC is often linked to a credit card or bank account making it a much more dangerous attack target.
Yes, games, unless you want to have to carry both an Android phone and a 3DS.
Have you taken a look at the latest games on an iPhone 5,5C or 5S? Examples would include Real Racing 3, Infinity Blade 3 etc.. The 3DS does not compare sorry.
I carry my phone in my pocket. I don't carry a backpack or a manpurse. Where the fuck should i put the cable? Ah yes, at home, where it belongs.
Do you wear spandex pants all day or can we assume that your pants have pockets? Put your lightning charging cable in your pocket with your keys. It is smaller than the 30 pin cable.
Oops, prescriptions are not covered by the public system until you go over a certain dollar amount per year or if you are welfare or retired. Before that limit kicks in, you have to pay out of pocket or have private insurance to cover it.
The public system does cover prescriptions, doctor visits, hospital stays and some specialist visits but dental, eye wear prescriptions and more serious surgery require either out of pocket payment or private insurance. Fortunately, my employer has a decent health insurance group plan. Even the public insurance system has a monthly premium if you earn over a certain amount of money which diminishes to zero the lower your income is. I pay the full monthly premium on the pubic provincial insurance plan.
Some cities and towns have severe shortages of doctors. Vancouver is one of those places with a shortage of doctors.
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since were comparing the entire apple product line to one of microsofts, I think its only fair to toss in the second most popular MS product line out there and see how those numbers add up
Does the Xbox have a word processor? A spreadsheet? A presentation creator? Does it have any photo manipulation apps or drawing programs with layers and filters? Are there any movie editors, effects composition apps? Does it have any music creation software available for it?
Yeah, both the iPod touch and iPhone run iOS just like the iPad and iOS is based on OS X... so... what is your point exactly?
Apple apparently sold around 260M devices in 2013. I can't find a full year for Samsung, but they sold 117M phones in Q3 alone.
Q1: 64M Q2: 70M Q3: 117M
That's 251M in just 3 quarters. Phones only, no tablets, no laptops.
Apple sales include Mac, iPods, iPhones and iPads.
How many of those samsung phones "shipped" Q3 actually were sold into consumers hands? How many of those Samsung devices "shipped" in Quarter 1 and 2 are in consumers hands right now? We really don't know how many were activated and how many are still in use rather than having been replaced by another device that might or might not be a Samsung. When numbers are reported for Apple devices, those are generally accepted as "sold" into consumers hands and the vast majority of them remain in the hands of those consumers through out at least a year.
If your Mac supports it, it seems to be a free upgrade.
To quote the Spartans: "If."
I have a late-2007 MacBook. Apple decided not to continue to support the Intel graphics driver for it and used it as an excuse to cut it off from 10.8 and above. The notion that I won't even get security updates anymore kind of ticks me off.
Are you an intelligent person? Are you responsible? If you act responsibly, the vectors for attack are few and far between. Take personal responsibility for your security. Think before you click.
I'm glad you're here to defend microsoft when their OS update breaks existing software. Oh wait.. we never see you then.
Apparently your cheerleading is reserved only for Apple.
I spend the majority of my time during weekdays on windows because that is the platform of choice at my employer. There have been stories of patches from Microsoft breaking their "own" software so at my workplace, we tend to be quite conservative when it comes to patches applied in our production environment and we are still using Windows 7 on our desktops and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Windows 8.x is a disaster.
But you go ahead and continue with your irrational jumping to conclusions. For the same reason that my company does not upgrade to Windows 8 desktops, It does not make sense to upgrade to Mavericks in a company environment until you have checked for compatibility with all of the software used in your daily workflow. It might make sense to use a test machine to vet Mavericks before committing to an upgrade and as long as you are careful where you surf at work, you should be fine being behind patches or versions for a while.
Remember that no patches can protect you from zero day exploits so common sense is the only defence you have in that case. Don't be an idiot surfing to unknown sites when at work.
That doesn't mean that all your software works. If your company has decided to run OS X and their mission critical business app doesn't work with the new OS then they can't upgrade. And add the fact that new machines can't be downgraded to the older OS, so you can't buy new hardware either.
And the problem is? Apple is neither responsible or capable of testing all possible combinations of software and hardware. Do you expect them to support third party software directly? You make the choice to use a particular piece of software that does not offer an upgrade. In the meantime, you can simply use some common sense and avoid the most common potential vectors. If you are talking about a "work" machine then you should be using for "work" anyway and not surfing other sites.
If he was a god he wouldnt have to force you, he would have designed you to do it and thought it was your own free will from the start.
I think you are a bit confused. Free will cannot be free will without the possibility of choosing the wrong decision. What is it with you people? You complain when you feel that other people are infringing on your freedoms but then you complain that god gives you the ability to make mistakes. Sure, god could have created man with no free will but what would be the point? We are not androids. We are living beings who are not god so we are capable of making the wrong choice.
You seem to want contradictory things. If god is like a parent to his children (humanity), wouldn't you expect the parent to allow his children to grow and have the opportunity to make the right choices eventually?
Godspeed.
One has to wonder, would a meth-addicted God be better or worse than the incomptetent one currently holding sway?
So you want to have a dictatorial god that forces everyone to do everything his way? Is that what you actually want? It is awfully easy to sidestep personal responsibility and morality if you instead decide to blame god for everything bad that men do.
Your argument is invalid. See subject.
A laptop is a much bigger investment than a screwdriver or hammer, and enough to strain the budgets of most people. They may not be able to afford the ideal model today, or even if they can what is ideal today may not be ideal tomorrow. A laptop that is upgradable may save you a lot of money in the long run. Plus a hammer doesn't have parts that wear out, a laptop does (in particular the battery).
Bullshit. Time is money and if you use a laptop work work, your clients are not going to be interested in your excuses about having upgrade it or get parts for it. You would be a "grown up" and just do what you need to do to get your job done. If your laptop breaks, get a replacement and then worry about repairing the old one. Chances are that if it is more than two years old, it is not even worth repairing in the first place.
Trying to upgrade a 2 year or older laptop is a waste of money.
Interesting analogy, but not all that accurate.
First, hammers and screwdrivers perform one task. Your modern personal computer is expected to perform many different tasks. My "tool" is used to compile and debug code, write documentation, correspond with others, and provide entertainment. My hammer pounds nails and my screwdriver drives screws. They don't solder, cut wire, or carve wood.
Fine. How about a car analogy? If you work in construction as a general contractor, you need to have a truck that is reliable and able to handle all of the loads you might need to haul, you would get the best truck that you can afford. You would ensure that it had the capabilities that you needed and the reliability that you depend upon. Nobody will want to continue to hire you if your broken arse truck keeps on breaking down because you are always "fixing" it.
If you work in construction then you should be an expert in your field of work and not a jack of all trades. Focus on what you are best at.
If you are actually using the laptop get work done, don't sell yourself short to save a few bucks.
Genghis Khan existed. Jesus not.
That's the difference.
Repeating a fallacy often does not make it true.
Very few reputable scholar who have no axe to grind dispute that there was a historical Jesus figure.
If I had a dime for every time I saw the same thing stated verbatim, I would be a very rich man.
I removed my facebook app, because my phone would buzz once or twice a day on random posts from 'friends' I barely know. Words With Friends kept buzzing with pointless notifications too. In short, if I can't just forget I have it and use it when i want, then I'll uninstall it.
I assume that you are running Android? Are you saying that those apps on android do not prompt to be able to send notifications in the background? On iOS, an app has to ask for permission to send background notifications and you can always easily disable that ability in the settings app.
Yeah but do you see major companies or major players using it? I see a bunch of research labs from major universities, minor products from some corps, and miscellaneous small companies. Is there a major user / well known product?
Google?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_Basestar#Battlestar_Galactica_.282004.E2.80.932009.29 It sure matches the description of the star that was seen in last season.
Are you fucking retarded?
No, but thanks for asking. I'm an MSDN subscriber through work and registered (paid) iOS developer on the side.
I've been around on here longer than idiots like you have been accusing anyone who promotes one product over another as being a shill.
Congrats on joining Slashdot before me. I think I was busy working and doing other interesting things.
Microsoft made a lot of shitty claims, but they REVERSED them.
So because they reversed them after intense public pressure, you are going to trust them and believe them? Consider how they ignored complaints about the Start screen in Windows 8 and gave a "start button" that just takes you back to the start screen in the Windows 8.1 update. I would consider that a big "f-you" to customers with a legitimate issue.
Sony continually fucked consumers over. Microsoft did too, just not as much.
What are you talking about? Only a few nerds raged about the removal of the Linux on the PS3 and the DRM on some CDs only affected windows users who bought specific CD and was only effective in installing because of how Microsoft implemented their "auto-play" functionality in windows. In that latter case, Microsoft is partially to blame and they were really big proponents of DRM on everything.
In the grand scheme of things, most consumers were not negatively effected by Sony's missteps but Microsoft screwed over a lot of people with their "PlaysforSure" and Zune products.
The platform that I spend the majority of my time on is Windows because that is what I use at work and my programming language of choice at work is C#. So obviously I'm not a blind Microsoft hater but you do seem to be trying to gloss over what Microsoft has done by trying to create some sort of moral equivalency between Sony and Microsoft.
Sure, people who don't care any like the games...
But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths, with removing promised features, poor security after getting hacked several times, DRM rootkits, propriety crap instead of standards...
It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.
Paid shill anyone? Did you forget the Eye of Sauron on the Xbox One? Did you forget how Microsoft initially was not going to allow resale of games? How much does Microsoft pay you? The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.
How many times to you see a clerk walk up to a 16 year old girl and point out neckties or walk up to a 80 year old man and point out capri pants?
Since you're asking for anecdotes, I'll answer with one. "Never." As in "never, does a clerk walk up and presume they know what I need." Instead, in my country*, they walk up and ask if I need help. And they accept when I tell them I don't. And stop bothering me.
Which doesn't seem to be a viable option any more, thanks to Minority Report Jr.
*In my case, the United States of America. We have many things badly screwed up, but "sales associates" still know their place.
You must consume a lot of spit (among other things) in your restaurant food with that sort of attitude.
Capitalism promotes selfishness.
Selfishness promotes control.
Control of information is a type of control.
Control of the government is another type of control.
So powerful people will control both.
And so the modern role of signals intelligence: to watch you, to separate the majority who are of no consequence, from the minority who run a serious risk of making a difference.
The solution is a scaling back of capitalism. And not a replacement with Soviet state capitalism, either, even though their surveillance had nothing on modern UKUSA.
Bullshit. Human nature is selfish. Capitalism merely recognizes the natural reward response of human beings. Socialism is another form of control and is caused by envy of the success of others.
The socialist societies of the world tend to have the tightest social controls as well. For example, in Norway, you have to get the name of your child approved by the government. The Union of SOCIALIST Soviet Republics aka USSR was locked up tight.
Socialism fails because it ignores what drives people to strive and succeed and try to force social equality upon people instead of allowing people to "share" out of a sense of charity and brotherhood.
Actually no, your iPhone 4 doesn't do 1080p. It scales its SD screen up to 1080p, except for video which can be higher resolution. Even then it isn't really 1080p because the image is heavily compressed. The HDMI adapter cable is basically an AirPlay receiver, and the image quality is awful.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? The iPhone 4/4S/5/5S/5S all do 1080p video both for recording and playback. Compression is not relevant to resolution. One could argue that it can reduce quality however. All of those phones can playback through HDMI and through airplay. The 4 and 4S do not use lightning to it is less compressed when using the HDMI connector than later models but even the lightning adapter is perfectly fine as is the Airplay streaming.
Personally, I see NFC as just another attack vector and would never use it.
But wifi, the mobile network, Bluetooth, BTLE, SMS and the Lightning connector are all fine.
You don't get it. We are talking about how NFC is often linked to a credit card or bank account making it a much more dangerous attack target.
Yes, games, unless you want to have to carry both an Android phone and a 3DS.
Have you taken a look at the latest games on an iPhone 5,5C or 5S? Examples would include Real Racing 3, Infinity Blade 3 etc.. The 3DS does not compare sorry.
I carry my phone in my pocket. I don't carry a backpack or a manpurse. Where the fuck should i put the cable? Ah yes, at home, where it belongs.
Do you wear spandex pants all day or can we assume that your pants have pockets? Put your lightning charging cable in your pocket with your keys. It is smaller than the 30 pin cable.
Oops, prescriptions are not covered by the public system until you go over a certain dollar amount per year or if you are welfare or retired. Before that limit kicks in, you have to pay out of pocket or have private insurance to cover it.
Some cities and towns have severe shortages of doctors. Vancouver is one of those places with a shortage of doctors.