No kidding, if we are going to play that game then we all have to admit we are just copying Nazi technology.
"They have become disenfranchised due to the realities of space travel."
Yes and no. NASA hasn't been working toward the goals that he populous wants they have been working toward the goals the scientists want. If they were working toward what the populous wanted we would have had a permanent base on the moon by 1980.
One of the biggest things hampering the agenda is the environmental hysteria preventing the use of Nukes in space. I suppose that falls on the Dem side of the political space but that isn't really a dem vs repub thing.
I don't know of any dem vs repub things, I didn't know political parties also took ownership of issues when they divided them up at the poker table in a manner that assures that whichever side someone votes for will require them to fuck themselves on half a dozen points.
"Nasa had plans, constellation program, till Obama cut it." ->"It wouldn't work, so they are building direct launch." ->->"Looks like Soviet Russia shit." ->->->"Which works." ->->YOU->"Damn Republican funding decisions."
Obama is the one making funding decisions not the Repubs. He cut an existing program, resulting in us eventually hoping to one day use 'in soviet russia' technology that works and is reliable in the sense that a hand crank butter churn works and is reliable.
If you want to revisit the trail of historical NASA funding screwups I think it encompasses most of NASA's history and almost every decision made by candidates from either party.
For instance, it was the Dems environmentalist hysteria that put an end to nuclear powered space exploration.
Maybe the real moral of the story is to alter the way NASA is funded so that it is no longer a political sock puppet with presidents having a say on which projects do and don't get funded. Right now NASA is nothing but a way to reward your political buddies by paying them billions for hundreds of thousands of a dollars worth of work.
How about we get back to the idea that if my tax dollars pay to develop it then it defaults to the public domain. That should include when it is developed by a third party contractor.
Then SpaceX and Virgin can do what they will AND NASA can do its thing.
The senate is still right. NASA needs a goal and it needs to be a goal that the public can get behind. NASA has devolved from a National program promoting the interests of the nation to scientific welfare catering to testing obscure theories.
24yrs? That is a full blown political career. If we want to put an end to career politicians then terms that are reasonable for a career in politics are too long. We don't want them to have enough time to 'make connections'.
First we cut out the stability of the elite house of congress by cutting the senate terms to 4yrs, then increase the stability of the house where real people might get elected by increasing the term to 4yrs.
Then you can safely cap things at 12 yrs. If you were going to make a difference, 12yrs is enough time to have managed it.
"That's an interesting statement. Usually it's the one making assertions that needs to back up their info with facts, not the one asking for clarification."
In an academic paper or a news source I would agree. When it comes to slashdot postings I think everyone is free to state opinions and verifying their accuracy is up to the reader.
"I think he means faster to develop. The reality is that it is fast enough when it is running that the cost is in the time to develop and the time to market rather than the use of computer resources."
This has been a favorite argument for excusing inefficient code for some time now.
In some cases it does apply but for the most part it is overused. It doesn't work as a design philosophy for a desktop application like OO.org and it certainly doesn't work in a large corporate server room where apps developed this way can't do the job no matter how much hardware you throw at them. In those cases companies have custom solutions developed for performance reasons.
The actual correctness? no. and there probably never will be.
I'm sure physics geeks will be heartily debating the THEORETICAL correctness any minute now. After all, what else would they be doing on a saturday night
Exactly, the process worked in this case. It would have been nice if the journal's noise filter picked this up but ultimately the results could not be replicated.
The entire federal government is dramatically more powerful than it should be. Just look how many powers it has stolen for itself by twisting a simple authority to regulate interstate commercial traffic.
They should up the ante a bit on this. Since they want four year degrees the should pay for 4 yrs of schooling. If they want you to have completed two years on your own to show commitment that is fine but they should reimburse those two years after successful completion. They could even up the service requirement to four years to match.
It just doesn't make sense to stick people in low paying government jobs with student loans to pay as their reward.
"In fact, I would argue that finding life beyond the solar system can only be done with robotics. Your meatbag body isnt going to handle a 100 year journey too well and even if it was possible it wouldnt be worth the cost."
In that case, there wouldn't be much point would there?
"space exploration"
The relevant definition of explore is "to travel to or into (unfamiliar or unknown regions), esp for organized scientific purposes"
This requires explorers aka meatbags.
Maybe you find the elements that make up the atmosphere of some obscure moon interesting. Me, I want to go into space. I have no interest in paying for space probes purely for research purposes. Research is far more productive on earth.
"You can make up crowd pleasing shit all your want"
And you can babble about meatbags and crowd pleasing all you want. The crowd you refer to are the people paying for NASA. Doing things your way has resulted in very little of interest from NASA since the 60's and budget cuts all along the way.
Historically there has been a lot of tangent useful technology produced by NASA but most of it was produced during the period they were sending people in space. Odd how doing things related to people yields science that is useful for people.
'NASA can concentrate on their roots of science, exploration, and aeronautics.'
You've listed those in the wrong order, the science and aeronautics exist only to facilitate the exploration. Human exploration. NASA doesn't exist to take atmospheric measurements of some planet we will never go to, it exists to get human beings traveling to and living on foreign space bodies. In other words, NASA is supposed to be getting us closer to a Star Trek type of world.
If NASA were about the kind of crap we have been doing with probes, spending billions of dollars so a few geeks can get a hard on and discover if they were right about the conditions on a moon of Venus, it wouldn't be worth funding it at all. There are plenty of geeky areas of science to explore here on earth for a hell of a lot less money.
"and trying something different like private enterprise and more robotic missions."
We've been wasting time with Robotic missions for too long already. That is largely why getting to the moon is such an expensive endeavor as it is. The entire point of NASA is to get people in Space. I'm not the sort who believes everything should serve a purpose today, some projects take time to bear fruit. But I don't support spending billions to take atmosphere readings from objects that are far away with robots unless it is at least part of a plan to accomplish something useful.
As for private enterprise, they are the reason everything is so expensive in the first place. NASA doesn't develop any of this crap, they are a backdoor to export tax dollars to your favorite defense contractors. The other side of the coin is what we are wasting trying to avoid the bad PR of someone dying in space. Build it, test it, send it up with Chinese volunteers. It would be a lot cheaper to agree to pay their families for life than to effectively build and test every bolt and screw ten thousand times.
If you really want to do something that makes sense. Issue a public apology for getting involved in things that are none of our business and pull out all military forces stationed outside the United States tomorrow. Then cut our PEACETIME military budget from $300B to more like $50B.
$250B a year will go a long way toward building our economy and that isn't even counting what we are wasting in pointless holy wars.
"ust because something is protected by the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution does not mean it is necessarily a fundamental human right which should give rise to an asylum claim. Germany is not subject the the US Constitution."
This is false. The bill of rights, including the first amendment is a non-exhaustive list of examples of things considered to be god given (inborn) natural human rights that may not be infringed by government. Germany may not agree but if they violated those rights the law of the United States binds that judge to recognize this as oppression.
I think religion is a crock for the most part. But I have the right to believe anything I wish no matter how sane or insane YOU feel it is and I have the right to raise and teach my children based on my beliefs.
Red Hat has put some of the largest kernel contributors on the payroll, these guys were heavy lifters BEFORE they got paid. now they can do it full time.
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No kidding, if we are going to play that game then we all have to admit we are just copying Nazi technology.
"They have become disenfranchised due to the realities of space travel."
Yes and no. NASA hasn't been working toward the goals that he populous wants they have been working toward the goals the scientists want. If they were working toward what the populous wanted we would have had a permanent base on the moon by 1980.
One of the biggest things hampering the agenda is the environmental hysteria preventing the use of Nukes in space. I suppose that falls on the Dem side of the political space but that isn't really a dem vs repub thing.
I don't know of any dem vs repub things, I didn't know political parties also took ownership of issues when they divided them up at the poker table in a manner that assures that whichever side someone votes for will require them to fuck themselves on half a dozen points.
"Are you illiterate?"
Let me recap for you.
"Nasa had plans, constellation program, till Obama cut it."
->"It wouldn't work, so they are building direct launch."
->->"Looks like Soviet Russia shit."
->->->"Which works."
->->YOU->"Damn Republican funding decisions."
Obama is the one making funding decisions not the Repubs. He cut an existing program, resulting in us eventually hoping to one day use 'in soviet russia' technology that works and is reliable in the sense that a hand crank butter churn works and is reliable.
If you want to revisit the trail of historical NASA funding screwups I think it encompasses most of NASA's history and almost every decision made by candidates from either party.
For instance, it was the Dems environmentalist hysteria that put an end to nuclear powered space exploration.
Maybe the real moral of the story is to alter the way NASA is funded so that it is no longer a political sock puppet with presidents having a say on which projects do and don't get funded. Right now NASA is nothing but a way to reward your political buddies by paying them billions for hundreds of thousands of a dollars worth of work.
How about we get back to the idea that if my tax dollars pay to develop it then it defaults to the public domain. That should include when it is developed by a third party contractor.
Then SpaceX and Virgin can do what they will AND NASA can do its thing.
The senate is still right. NASA needs a goal and it needs to be a goal that the public can get behind. NASA has devolved from a National program promoting the interests of the nation to scientific welfare catering to testing obscure theories.
24yrs? That is a full blown political career. If we want to put an end to career politicians then terms that are reasonable for a career in politics are too long. We don't want them to have enough time to 'make connections'.
First we cut out the stability of the elite house of congress by cutting the senate terms to 4yrs, then increase the stability of the house where real people might get elected by increasing the term to 4yrs.
Then you can safely cap things at 12 yrs. If you were going to make a difference, 12yrs is enough time to have managed it.
Ummm... since when is Obama a Republican?
Speaking of your leet coding skills. Just what is this hush hush thing you've been working on? ;)
"That's an interesting statement. Usually it's the one making assertions that needs to back up their info with facts, not the one asking for clarification."
In an academic paper or a news source I would agree. When it comes to slashdot postings I think everyone is free to state opinions and verifying their accuracy is up to the reader.
"I think he means faster to develop. The reality is that it is fast enough when it is running that the cost is in the time to develop and the time to market rather than the use of computer resources."
This has been a favorite argument for excusing inefficient code for some time now.
In some cases it does apply but for the most part it is overused. It doesn't work as a design philosophy for a desktop application like OO.org and it certainly doesn't work in a large corporate server room where apps developed this way can't do the job no matter how much hardware you throw at them. In those cases companies have custom solutions developed for performance reasons.
An oem manufactures the computer they sell...
Funny? I'd mod this insightful
Also a torrent posted here:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1549336&cid=31132508
http://www.rentalgeek.com/downloads/ibhs.torrent
This has full data file, linux binary, and windows binary.
Also, this has been uploaded to Elbitz if you prefer private tracker.
The actual correctness? no. and there probably never will be.
I'm sure physics geeks will be heartily debating the THEORETICAL correctness any minute now. After all, what else would they be doing on a saturday night
The Chinese have been caught with their hands in so many U.S. digital cookie jars in the past few years I fail to see what difference it makes.
I also fail to see how it benefits the NSA to make public the fact that Google was compromised through NSA backdoors in their gmail system.
Exactly, the process worked in this case. It would have been nice if the journal's noise filter picked this up but ultimately the results could not be replicated.
ALLEGEDLY Chinese?
The entire federal government is dramatically more powerful than it should be. Just look how many powers it has stolen for itself by twisting a simple authority to regulate interstate commercial traffic.
They should up the ante a bit on this. Since they want four year degrees the should pay for 4 yrs of schooling. If they want you to have completed two years on your own to show commitment that is fine but they should reimburse those two years after successful completion. They could even up the service requirement to four years to match.
It just doesn't make sense to stick people in low paying government jobs with student loans to pay as their reward.
I've worked tech support, generally in a scenario like you describe I would ask the question and the user would tell me the error on their screen.
The support people aren't all shining stars but the primary reason you get stupid questions is that the caller are fscking idiots.
Isn't that where someone else replicating the results using your methodology comes in?
If you are making things up, nobody will be able to replicate your results. If nobody has replicating your results, they shouldn't even be considered.
"In fact, I would argue that finding life beyond the solar system can only be done with robotics. Your meatbag body isnt going to handle a 100 year journey too well and even if it was possible it wouldnt be worth the cost."
In that case, there wouldn't be much point would there?
"space exploration"
The relevant definition of explore is "to travel to or into (unfamiliar or unknown regions), esp for organized scientific purposes"
This requires explorers aka meatbags.
Maybe you find the elements that make up the atmosphere of some obscure moon interesting. Me, I want to go into space. I have no interest in paying for space probes purely for research purposes. Research is far more productive on earth.
"You can make up crowd pleasing shit all your want"
And you can babble about meatbags and crowd pleasing all you want. The crowd you refer to are the people paying for NASA. Doing things your way has resulted in very little of interest from NASA since the 60's and budget cuts all along the way.
Historically there has been a lot of tangent useful technology produced by NASA but most of it was produced during the period they were sending people in space. Odd how doing things related to people yields science that is useful for people.
'NASA can concentrate on their roots of science, exploration, and aeronautics.'
You've listed those in the wrong order, the science and aeronautics exist only to facilitate the exploration. Human exploration. NASA doesn't exist to take atmospheric measurements of some planet we will never go to, it exists to get human beings traveling to and living on foreign space bodies. In other words, NASA is supposed to be getting us closer to a Star Trek type of world.
If NASA were about the kind of crap we have been doing with probes, spending billions of dollars so a few geeks can get a hard on and discover if they were right about the conditions on a moon of Venus, it wouldn't be worth funding it at all. There are plenty of geeky areas of science to explore here on earth for a hell of a lot less money.
"and trying something different like private enterprise and more robotic missions."
We've been wasting time with Robotic missions for too long already. That is largely why getting to the moon is such an expensive endeavor as it is. The entire point of NASA is to get people in Space. I'm not the sort who believes everything should serve a purpose today, some projects take time to bear fruit. But I don't support spending billions to take atmosphere readings from objects that are far away with robots unless it is at least part of a plan to accomplish something useful.
As for private enterprise, they are the reason everything is so expensive in the first place. NASA doesn't develop any of this crap, they are a backdoor to export tax dollars to your favorite defense contractors. The other side of the coin is what we are wasting trying to avoid the bad PR of someone dying in space. Build it, test it, send it up with Chinese volunteers. It would be a lot cheaper to agree to pay their families for life than to effectively build and test every bolt and screw ten thousand times.
If you really want to do something that makes sense. Issue a public apology for getting involved in things that are none of our business and pull out all military forces stationed outside the United States tomorrow. Then cut our PEACETIME military budget from $300B to more like $50B.
$250B a year will go a long way toward building our economy and that isn't even counting what we are wasting in pointless holy wars.
"ust because something is protected by the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution does not mean it is necessarily a fundamental human right which should give rise to an asylum claim. Germany is not subject the the US Constitution."
This is false. The bill of rights, including the first amendment is a non-exhaustive list of examples of things considered to be god given (inborn) natural human rights that may not be infringed by government. Germany may not agree but if they violated those rights the law of the United States binds that judge to recognize this as oppression.
I think religion is a crock for the most part. But I have the right to believe anything I wish no matter how sane or insane YOU feel it is and I have the right to raise and teach my children based on my beliefs.
Red Hat has put some of the largest kernel contributors on the payroll, these guys were heavy lifters BEFORE they got paid. now they can do it full time.