Windows 7 is NOT as or Faster than XP. PERIOD, stop the lies already.
Did you even read the article? There's a simple performance table on the first page, followed by the analysis:
These results suggests that when considering Windows 7, performance should be viewed as a reasonable justification for upgrading from Windows XP, but not a driver for migration from Vista.
They tested Windows ULTIMATE, the best of the newest against the oldest patched-up version of XP.
What? They tested the best of the newest version of Windows 7 against the best of the newest version of XP. The oldest version of XP would have no service packs at all.
And it only saved a marginal amount of power.
17% is not marginal. What would you consider to be non-marginal? Greater than 100%?
What about the versions that the average Joe is going to be running?
Average Joe doesn't use a Xeon processor either. The choice of operating system versions seems appropriate for the level of hardware. Average Joe should just wait until someone does a comparison using games & video encoders if he wants real world tests more suitable to his needs. This test was very specific to one measure of performance.
Absolutely correct. On the other hand, the video cards come with a CD of Windows drivers. I wonder how many Windows users just install the driver from disk rather than download the latest version. That might tip the balance back a bit in the other direction.
The shortage of resources is reason we have a duty to keep deriding the vaccination program. We need to ensure that those people who think they know better than all the medically trained scientists do not get vaccinated. That way there will be enough of the Swine Flu vaccine for the worthwhile members of society.
It would be unethical to prevent stupid people from being vaccinated, but there is nothing wrong with sowing the seeds of discontent so that they voluntarily abstain. And when the more deadly strain of H1N1 wipes out a third of the population....
Well, nobody will care that much. It is the "B" Ark theory of trimming the fat of society. "Ah yes, the goat"
PS. Thanks to all the other posters for the fine work they are doing towards our goal. It must be hard to keep a straight face while writing some of those messages!
he kind of did with the list of things that he does do with his iPhone.
But you could hardly say that an "application for tracking my blood sugar" is something that cannot be done as well on any other phone. Most of the things that the GP listed were simple apps from the early days of smartphones. Hardly proof of how much better the iPhone is.
No, it is paranoid. How are you finding out about the vulnerability? Because Microsoft patched it last Tuesday. If they wanted to discredit Firefox they would have shipped something to take advantage of the security hole, not something to fix it. Besides, a security hole that only exists on the Windows version of Firefox (and will inevitably be traced back to their code) just makes it look like it is better to run FF on Linux rather than Windows - which would NOT be what they wanted.
The sad part is that this could have gone so well for them. This should have been remembered for Microsoft supporting alternate browsers under Windows so it would be one less reason to say how IE has an unfair advantage. I could (barely) forgive them for silently installing it the extension because from Microsoft's point of view they are adding support for Firefox to.NET rather than the other way around.
What was unforgivable was shipping this without the ability to disable the extension. Even if they had never contemplated the idea that anyone would want to uninstall it, it should have been blindingly obvious that a grayed out Disable button meant that this would stand out from other extensions. They couldn't just say that they didn't notice that it was not able to be uninstalled.
I would like to know how you disable those buttons. Is there some API call when installing the extension (meaning it is a deliberate feature, for which both Microsoft and Mozilla should be shot)? Is it caused by a lack of uninstall script (meaning Microsoft did a half-arsed job of writing the extension)? Or is it a permissions thing that the update was installed by the Administrator account and limited users were not allowed to delete the files/registry keys (meaning... I don't know what to think of that option)?
Not bad??? My brother bought a brand-new machine with 1/2 gig of RAM which Microsoft claimed was enough. It wasn't.
That's hardly new to Vista. When my company upgraded to Windows 95 we got half the computers with 4MB and half with 8MB. We very quickly increased them all to 8MB because it was obvious 4MB just wasn't enough. Minimum system requirements for operating systems or games are always like this.
This story seems patently off theme from the typical slashdot story. This is garish and confusing.
Yes, it does jump out at you as being unlike most of the other articles. I assume that if you are a/. subscriber then you don't see these sorts of stories. One of the benefits of being a subscriber is that they hide the ads.
I think there are a couple of valid concerns, around issuing a set of patches that require a reboot on the first day back from a long weekend,
Just change your Windows Update settings to "Download updates for me, but let me choose when to install them". That way you have complete control over when the reboot happens.
Why would Microsoft be pissed? This technology keeps people using their product so people have fewer reasons to migrate to another browser.
If Microsoft's strategy was to cripple IE, why did they implement a modular system that allowed third parties to add their own scripting languages and rendering plug-ins (which they introduced way back in Internet Explorer 3). If they tried to block their documented APIs like Active Scripting to spite Google, then they would be killing off all the other scripting languages that people have written for it: Perl, Python, Tcl, Ruby, PHP, Rexx and Delphi (and a bunch of lesser known others).
They can phone MS and get s free shipped to them CD with SP2 on it, in fact I think they now supply SP3 for free. Which linux company sends out free cd's with their patches on them?
I am sure that you are aware that "linux companies" give away their entire operating system for free. I think they are beating Microsoft in the generosity department.
Fanbois for any operating system are always tiresome, but there is really no need to start abusing people like that. Perhaps a valium might help.
This isn't a remote exploit bug for XP, just a denial of service so you can't get hacked using this vector. Also, you would have to add the step "2.5 turn off your firewall" to list to be affected by the bug. If you do that you will be taken down by one of the many other security holes first (and you would deserve it).
No, it was always just a plain patent infringement case about using XML for the reason that the mark up language was created. The sad part is that i4i created a product that uses Word for all of its user interface. That means they are using way more of Microsoft's code in their own product than Microsoft could have ever "stolen" from them.
If you paid attention, they showed Ford using a towel in many of the appropriate ways, they just didn't call attention to it, which, to me, wasted a great opportunity.
You think it is a wasted opportunity to be subtle? (I had to link to a UK dictionary because I could not find the word in any US one)
This is exactly the sort of film that lends itself to having in-jokes for the rabid fans who can recite the radio series verbatim and have the book entries tatooed on their bodies. Unfortunately, those same fans are the ones who complain bitterly at any deviation from the original version despite the fact that this is not unprecedented.
It all comes down to the appropriate use of the media. In the radio show, someone has to say "look at that towel"; the book can just describe the towel and the film can just show the towel. The beauty of Hitchhiker's Guide is that all of the different versions compliment each other. To get the best from any one version of it, you should watch/hear/read the other versions.
The real missed opportunity was not to have made hundreds of book entries for the DVD version as interactive extras that pop up during the film. They could have optionally doubled the length of the film with extra book bits - thus retaining the pace of the film while making the fans happy. Most of the time, the book entries are an aside. That's a perfect use of the branching video of the DVD format.
Crysis is not representative of most Windows games. Why didn't you post one of the other pages of this article?
World in Conflict has XP as the slowest operating system. Far Cry 2 shows mixed fortunes for XP compared to Vista, but Windows 7 beats it every time. XP is ahead at the low end for Fallout 3, but Vista wins the rest.
And so it goes on. XP has wins and losses. You cannot judge an operating system's performance by just one game.
Right now, Windows 7 is kind of a mixed bag. While it was able to beat both Vista and XP in certain applications, it also got beat in others. 3DMark06 gave a clear advantage to XP on both of our test beds, while Vantage favored Vista by about 10%. However, real world performance brought our numbers to a much narrower margin, with Windows 7 performing admirably in both DX9 and DX10 modes.
That's amazing. It has obviously been 17 years since you have seen any version of Word. Extensibility is one of the great features of Office.
I have written my own addons to Word to pull data from our central database and to seemlessly integrate with our network fax server. Our accounts department Word to link to their accounting software to facilitate invoicing. My wife uses a plugin to handle her citations at university. All this is done using external plugins for Word.
When they released Windows 95, Microsoft pushed ActiveX hoping to change the way we thought about applications. Their idea was that programs would become building blocks that would seemlessly fit inside each other rather than discrete - like the way you could embed an organisation chart in a Word or Excel document. The concept really failed to catch on, I think mainly due to the problem of not being able to send your documents to other people who did not have the same ActiveX controls.
It also caused problems when people upgrade software versions. A lot of the problems that people have tring to mix different versions of Office products can be traced back to embedded ActiveX controls.
Or you can just go into Tools->Options and turn off the automatic downloading of codecs. And according to the help, the user is always prompted before downloading third party codecs.
Microsoft have also provide support to open source projects like Eclipse4SL to add support to the Eclipse IDE to "enable Java developers to use the Eclipse platform to create applications that run on the Microsoft Silverlight runtime platform".
I have never installed Silverlight (my web is rich enough without that or Flash), but all of the above was found with the first few matches of a Google search. But hey, feel free to jump to the anti-competitive conclusions.
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Windows 7 is NOT as or Faster than XP. PERIOD, stop the lies already.
Did you even read the article? There's a simple performance table on the first page, followed by the analysis:
These results suggests that when considering Windows 7, performance should be viewed as a reasonable justification for upgrading from Windows XP, but not a driver for migration from Vista.
They tested Windows ULTIMATE, the best of the newest against the oldest patched-up version of XP.
What? They tested the best of the newest version of Windows 7 against the best of the newest version of XP. The oldest version of XP would have no service packs at all.
And it only saved a marginal amount of power.
17% is not marginal. What would you consider to be non-marginal? Greater than 100%?
What about the versions that the average Joe is going to be running?
Average Joe doesn't use a Xeon processor either. The choice of operating system versions seems appropriate for the level of hardware. Average Joe should just wait until someone does a comparison using games & video encoders if he wants real world tests more suitable to his needs. This test was very specific to one measure of performance.
What else were they supposed to do with the money? It's not like they have shareholders to support.
Absolutely correct. On the other hand, the video cards come with a CD of Windows drivers. I wonder how many Windows users just install the driver from disk rather than download the latest version. That might tip the balance back a bit in the other direction.
The shortage of resources is reason we have a duty to keep deriding the vaccination program. We need to ensure that those people who think they know better than all the medically trained scientists do not get vaccinated. That way there will be enough of the Swine Flu vaccine for the worthwhile members of society.
It would be unethical to prevent stupid people from being vaccinated, but there is nothing wrong with sowing the seeds of discontent so that they voluntarily abstain. And when the more deadly strain of H1N1 wipes out a third of the population....
Well, nobody will care that much. It is the "B" Ark theory of trimming the fat of society. "Ah yes, the goat"
PS. Thanks to all the other posters for the fine work they are doing towards our goal. It must be hard to keep a straight face while writing some of those messages!
Dr Susan Calvin has really excelled herself this time.
he kind of did with the list of things that he does do with his iPhone.
But you could hardly say that an "application for tracking my blood sugar" is something that cannot be done as well on any other phone. Most of the things that the GP listed were simple apps from the early days of smartphones. Hardly proof of how much better the iPhone is.
No, it is paranoid. How are you finding out about the vulnerability? Because Microsoft patched it last Tuesday. If they wanted to discredit Firefox they would have shipped something to take advantage of the security hole, not something to fix it. Besides, a security hole that only exists on the Windows version of Firefox (and will inevitably be traced back to their code) just makes it look like it is better to run FF on Linux rather than Windows - which would NOT be what they wanted.
The sad part is that this could have gone so well for them. This should have been remembered for Microsoft supporting alternate browsers under Windows so it would be one less reason to say how IE has an unfair advantage. I could (barely) forgive them for silently installing it the extension because from Microsoft's point of view they are adding support for Firefox to .NET rather than the other way around.
What was unforgivable was shipping this without the ability to disable the extension. Even if they had never contemplated the idea that anyone would want to uninstall it, it should have been blindingly obvious that a grayed out Disable button meant that this would stand out from other extensions. They couldn't just say that they didn't notice that it was not able to be uninstalled.
I would like to know how you disable those buttons. Is there some API call when installing the extension (meaning it is a deliberate feature, for which both Microsoft and Mozilla should be shot)? Is it caused by a lack of uninstall script (meaning Microsoft did a half-arsed job of writing the extension)? Or is it a permissions thing that the update was installed by the Administrator account and limited users were not allowed to delete the files/registry keys (meaning... I don't know what to think of that option)?
In some countries its pronounced 'Vee-Vee-Vee'
Say it out load and it makes you sound like a bad robotic voice synthesiser.
"Vee-Vee-Vee-Vee. Hi, Buck!"
Not bad??? My brother bought a brand-new machine with 1/2 gig of RAM which Microsoft claimed was enough. It wasn't.
That's hardly new to Vista. When my company upgraded to Windows 95 we got half the computers with 4MB and half with 8MB. We very quickly increased them all to 8MB because it was obvious 4MB just wasn't enough. Minimum system requirements for operating systems or games are always like this.
This story seems patently off theme from the typical slashdot story. This is garish and confusing.
Yes, it does jump out at you as being unlike most of the other articles. I assume that if you are a /. subscriber then you don't see these sorts of stories. One of the benefits of being a subscriber is that they hide the ads.
I think there are a couple of valid concerns, around issuing a set of patches that require a reboot on the first day back from a long weekend,
Just change your Windows Update settings to "Download updates for me, but let me choose when to install them". That way you have complete control over when the reboot happens.
Why would Microsoft be pissed? This technology keeps people using their product so people have fewer reasons to migrate to another browser.
If Microsoft's strategy was to cripple IE, why did they implement a modular system that allowed third parties to add their own scripting languages and rendering plug-ins (which they introduced way back in Internet Explorer 3). If they tried to block their documented APIs like Active Scripting to spite Google, then they would be killing off all the other scripting languages that people have written for it: Perl, Python, Tcl, Ruby, PHP, Rexx and Delphi (and a bunch of lesser known others).
They can phone MS and get s free shipped to them CD with SP2 on it, in fact I think they now supply SP3 for free. Which linux company sends out free cd's with their patches on them?
I am sure that you are aware that "linux companies" give away their entire operating system for free. I think they are beating Microsoft in the generosity department.
Fanbois for any operating system are always tiresome, but there is really no need to start abusing people like that. Perhaps a valium might help.
This isn't a remote exploit bug for XP, just a denial of service so you can't get hacked using this vector. Also, you would have to add the step "2.5 turn off your firewall" to list to be affected by the bug. If you do that you will be taken down by one of the many other security holes first (and you would deserve it).
Can you provide a reference for the source of your information?
Please don't. We don't need to see any links to sites like goatse.cx
No, it was always just a plain patent infringement case about using XML for the reason that the mark up language was created. The sad part is that i4i created a product that uses Word for all of its user interface. That means they are using way more of Microsoft's code in their own product than Microsoft could have ever "stolen" from them.
If you paid attention, they showed Ford using a towel in many of the appropriate ways, they just didn't call attention to it, which, to me, wasted a great opportunity.
You think it is a wasted opportunity to be subtle? (I had to link to a UK dictionary because I could not find the word in any US one)
This is exactly the sort of film that lends itself to having in-jokes for the rabid fans who can recite the radio series verbatim and have the book entries tatooed on their bodies. Unfortunately, those same fans are the ones who complain bitterly at any deviation from the original version despite the fact that this is not unprecedented.
It all comes down to the appropriate use of the media. In the radio show, someone has to say "look at that towel"; the book can just describe the towel and the film can just show the towel. The beauty of Hitchhiker's Guide is that all of the different versions compliment each other. To get the best from any one version of it, you should watch/hear/read the other versions.
The real missed opportunity was not to have made hundreds of book entries for the DVD version as interactive extras that pop up during the film. They could have optionally doubled the length of the film with extra book bits - thus retaining the pace of the film while making the fans happy. Most of the time, the book entries are an aside. That's a perfect use of the branching video of the DVD format.
Crysis is not representative of most Windows games. Why didn't you post one of the other pages of this article?
World in Conflict has XP as the slowest operating system. Far Cry 2 shows mixed fortunes for XP compared to Vista, but Windows 7 beats it every time. XP is ahead at the low end for Fallout 3, but Vista wins the rest.
And so it goes on. XP has wins and losses. You cannot judge an operating system's performance by just one game.
And the your suggested article's conclusion says:
Right now, Windows 7 is kind of a mixed bag. While it was able to beat both Vista and XP in certain applications, it also got beat in others. 3DMark06 gave a clear advantage to XP on both of our test beds, while Vantage favored Vista by about 10%. However, real world performance brought our numbers to a much narrower margin, with Windows 7 performing admirably in both DX9 and DX10 modes.
If only Armstrong made a giant leap instead of a small step then the first footprint might have survived.
If you are worried about IE, why did you link to a bug in Office?
That's amazing. It has obviously been 17 years since you have seen any version of Word. Extensibility is one of the great features of Office.
I have written my own addons to Word to pull data from our central database and to seemlessly integrate with our network fax server. Our accounts department Word to link to their accounting software to facilitate invoicing. My wife uses a plugin to handle her citations at university. All this is done using external plugins for Word.
When they released Windows 95, Microsoft pushed ActiveX hoping to change the way we thought about applications. Their idea was that programs would become building blocks that would seemlessly fit inside each other rather than discrete - like the way you could embed an organisation chart in a Word or Excel document. The concept really failed to catch on, I think mainly due to the problem of not being able to send your documents to other people who did not have the same ActiveX controls.
It also caused problems when people upgrade software versions. A lot of the problems that people have tring to mix different versions of Office products can be traced back to embedded ActiveX controls.
Oh please! Did you have a look at how tiny the temperature adjustments were? They were way too small to have any bearing on this topic.
Or you can just go into Tools->Options and turn off the automatic downloading of codecs. And according to the help, the user is always prompted before downloading third party codecs.
Surely you jest? The Silverlight tools are an installable plug-in to either Visual Studio 2008 or Visual Web Developer Express, which is Microsoft's free IDE.
Or you can get the Silverlight(TM) 2 SDK without the extra tools to use it without any IDE at all.
Microsoft have also provide support to open source projects like Eclipse4SL to add support to the Eclipse IDE to "enable Java developers to use the Eclipse platform to create applications that run on the Microsoft Silverlight runtime platform".
I have never installed Silverlight (my web is rich enough without that or Flash), but all of the above was found with the first few matches of a Google search. But hey, feel free to jump to the anti-competitive conclusions.