How do you expect software vendors to start supporting linux by porting their software and/or drivers if you yank service? What kind of message is that sending to them? (It was mentioned in the release, drivers for digital cameras, etc..)
With some many vendors going to offer a download service there is going to have to be a standard license agreement set by the industry. Imagine the hassle with the current systems in place. Some allow X number of burns copied to Y systems. Some don't let you burn, some only offer Z format. (X,Y and Z are variable.)
I'm not sure why the RIAA and Labels are being so anal with some companies and not with others.
A log should be kept when a post is modded so we can figure out who these dumbasses are. What the orginal thread talked about, doesn't exist. Try doing a search with some of the key words of his post..
If all your doing is simple DML then your not using a database to its full potential. I've been a DBA for 7 years now, a few of those years spent in development shops. Lets take Oracle for example, there are tons of features in there to help performance, managability, etc and alot of them are unique to Oracle.
Database independance is all fine and dandy but its a trade off. Your trading for time to market. ie, if your application is complex then your going to end up writing features that are probably available in the database. Thus, your time to market will be longer. I'm not talking about simple applications here.
At one location, even tho all of our customers would have been using Oracle as the backend, management decided to write a few features that were already available in Oracle. You don't want to know how much they expected this to cost or how long it would take.
Another thing to keep in mind is market share.. Why develop for a database that has less than 10% market share? If you take Oracle, SqlServer and DB2 you have over 90% of the market covered. (Alot of DMS's comprise of the remaining 10%.) Personally, if I was a developer, i'd worry about getting my app to work with those databases first. I wouldn't be too concerned with a database that has a 1% market share, opensource or not.
Your still missing the point and its obvious you don't have much real world experience in this area. Also, you can't compare how long it takes postgresql to Oracle in the time it takes to come out with a fix without knowing their testing procedures.
If you had much experience in the real world you would understand what i'm trying to say. Yeah, i'd love to use more opensource, GPL'd software but I love having a job that much more. More and more so in the corporate IT world its about covering your ass because there are plenty of people out there that like making others look bad. And its getting worse day by day. 5 years ago I didn't see nearly as much internal finger pointing as I do now.
But hey, go ahead, choose what you want but becareful it doesn't bite you in the ass. But hey, at least i'm brave enough not to post anonymously.
And as for bugs in Oracle (core rdbms).. I don't recall any incidents in the past 6 years that were show stoppers and I had to install an emergency patch. And I have worked with _alot_ of large database infrastructures. If it is a critical bug, you can be sure there are people working behind the scenes 24x7 to get it resolved and put out a once off patch. I don't have any production experience with postgresql so I can't comment there.
Yikes, thats a long follow up. In general I agree with almost everything you said, but as you state, your not a DBA. There is a market for a high end databases and advanced features that opensource is years away from solving. (In the database arena anyways..) Sure,t here are alot of apps that would run great on mysql or postgresql.
Also, in terms of support, its not an issue of suing someone if something blows up. Its about covering your ass. Yes, its all in the mind but its easier to blame the problem on a bug in Oracle than one in postgresql. When your working with mission critical databases, you don't want to be the fall guy, trust me.
First of all, let me say i'm a DBA. Second, let me say that I haven't seen too many databases that couldn't run on opensource databases like mysql and postgresql. Most apps only require the basic's and mysql/postgresql has them covered.
I think its too early to predict the demise of companies like Oracle, MS's SQL Server and IBM's DB2. For the forseeable future (I hate to say 'always') there will be a market for high end databases for mission critical apps like banks and other financial systems. And there will always be companies than feel 'safer' with the support offered by said companies. Its easier (CYA) to blame an Oracle or a Microsoft than an opensource solution. Who do you point a finger at if postgresql crashes (not saying it will, just an example) and your company fails to meet quarter end? I know who your boss will be pointing his finger at....
One thing I don't understand is why more people are opting for mysql over postgresql. I looked into both for a small home project about 6 months ago and postgresql was the clear leader. Mysql was missing some key features that I think alot of apps use or it would be at least an inconvience to get around.
I also think, most people, like myself are sick of 'leasing' software and tired of upgrading every couple of years. Really, what does the latest and greatest MS Word do that I couldn't do in WP 5.1?:)
Do you have any special contracts with your phone provider? ie, set number of minutes? Is the Pda always connected to the net? ie, will you get instant messages, email notifications, etc?
I know alot of people who have bought PDA's. I think i'm the only one that still uses mine and its only for appointments, contacts and reading material (that I still haven't read..) PDA's are toys and until they are connected on demand to the internet (at an affordable price) they are going to stay that way.
Look at the belt realestate a camera, phone and PDA takes up. Adding the capabilites of a phone to a PDA probably isn't going to increase the PDA's size significantly at all. The benefit is, I don't have to carry a second device.
I'll still have my digital camera for good pictures but i'd love to have a tiny 1 megapixel camera that I could carry around in my pants pocket to capture spontaneous moments. Since I always carry my PDA, i'll be all set.
Sure, my 5 megapixel camera can take awesome pictures but I don't carry it everywhere. It can't exactly fit into my pocket so I only bring it to places I think i'll want to take a picture.. The park, a party, etc..
Its obvious that people who make comments like 'crappy camera' don't really use theirs. Because if they did, they would realize that there plenty of occasions that they don't have it handy to capture spontaneous situations. Or, maybe they just don't have any friends/family/kids.
Currently I always carry my phone and my PDA. This smart phone looks alot smaller than 2 of these put together and it has a toy (KEYWORD) camera in it. The pictures will only look decent at a 4x6 but hell, thats better than nothing.
My phone has some PDAish features in it and its internal capable but I don't use them. Why? Because the screen is too damn small and useless. I want a PDA that has a phone built into it that I can read a decent size email or surf to a webpage without giving me an aneurism!
Yeah, it might not be the best camera, or the best PDA but i'm sure it will do more than enough and i'll certainly use it more than the one I have now.
I purchased my first PDA almost 2 years ago now. Personally, the only thing they are good for is keeping track of my appointments and contacts. Sure, if i'm stuck in a doctor's office I can pull up some reading material but thats about it.
Personally, I think this new phone looks pretty sweet. Yeah, it only has a 1mega pixel camera, but if i'm at the mall and my kids do something cute its good enough for a 4x6 print. Better than nothing. Sure, my 5 megapixel camera would take a better picture but I always carry my phone and PDA but not my camera.
I won't be buying another PDA until Internet connectivity is reasonably priced and available. I want to be able to check my mail, surf the web from anywhere and until that happens I don't think the sales of PDA's and smartphones are really going to take off.
I'm not entirely familiar with smartphones (other than the obvious) can their built in PDA's access the internet on demand?
FYI:
Hi,
After reading your article I was compelled to email some comments w.r.t. the article "Linux's Hit Men". I'll admit my bias up front, I have been using linux since the early 90's.
I must say, I was rather disappointed with the tone of the article. If this was, say, Microsoft persuing a company who had violated their licenses, it would probably only be granted a small mention in the press.
The basic fact is when companies decide to use software published under the GPL, then they have to abide by the terms of that license. If they are distributing their final product then they _have_ to provide the source as well.. In exchange they are saved alot of money by not having to buy or develope said software. Why is that so hard to understand? Its a mutually beneficial partnership. (I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but companies who use GPL software, make modifications but dont' distribute said software doesn't have to publish the source.)
Personally, i'm rather disappointed that a magazine as respectable as Forbes is taking pot shots at Linux. Its just another example of ignorance that we, as Linux advocates, have to work through.
Umm yeah, come back when you have kids. I have 2 and know all too well what can come out of their mouths. It only takes a slip of the tongue once and its in their memory.
A friend of mines son was behaving badly and his mom told him is behaviour was unaccepable and she asked him if he knew what it meant. He replied, "Yeah, I have to have a fucking timeout on the chair!"
Its the women.. Now if I could only get impressionable video games for my wife i'd be all set! (We'll ignore for the moment she hates most video games besides Worms.)
I've used Remedy in a couple of companies, one before the tech crash had over 100k employees. My current employer uses ServiceCenter but we are switching to a Peoplesoft application that is apparently better. There are a few annoying bugs in ServiceCenter.
I don't recall having any issues with Remedy. As for the orginal poster, they should already have a centralized location/helpdesk to handle requests which would be funneled to the appropriate group. So using one of these tools should reduce their workload and increase managability with relative ease.
Take Oracle for example their technet website has a link to all of their documentation. I honestly don't understand why people buy most of the Oracle books on the market. It may take a little more work to find the information online but it is there. From the documentation to white papers to conference presentations.
I haven't explored many other vendors sites but I think DB2 does this as well.
Personally I think it makes sense for vendors to allow people to use their products free for personal use and provide documentation. If these people are put into a position where they have to evaluation or use software, what are they going to pick? Software they are familiar with.
Is it just me, or isn't Zion's defenses awefully weak? Sure, people in mech suits with guns on their hips like cowboy's looks pretty cool but shouldn't they have something more advanced? Some automated or remotely controled defenses?
We'll have to see the whole sequence to know for sure but I hope there's more to it.
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Didn't they already recommend users move over to Fedora? Why is this question being asked over and over?
How do you expect software vendors to start supporting linux by porting their software and/or drivers if you yank service? What kind of message is that sending to them? (It was mentioned in the release, drivers for digital cameras, etc..)
i'll hunt you down and kick your ass!!!
Dammit, thats my bank.. Where did you find this information? I'd like to reference it in an email.
I'm not sure why the RIAA and Labels are being so anal with some companies and not with others.
A log should be kept when a post is modded so we can figure out who these dumbasses are. What the orginal thread talked about, doesn't exist. Try doing a search with some of the key words of his post..
Personally, I prefer postgreSQL.. I couldn't imagine not having some features such as subqueries and triggers.
Database independance is all fine and dandy but its a trade off. Your trading for time to market. ie, if your application is complex then your going to end up writing features that are probably available in the database. Thus, your time to market will be longer. I'm not talking about simple applications here.
At one location, even tho all of our customers would have been using Oracle as the backend, management decided to write a few features that were already available in Oracle. You don't want to know how much they expected this to cost or how long it would take.
Another thing to keep in mind is market share.. Why develop for a database that has less than 10% market share? If you take Oracle, SqlServer and DB2 you have over 90% of the market covered. (Alot of DMS's comprise of the remaining 10%.) Personally, if I was a developer, i'd worry about getting my app to work with those databases first. I wouldn't be too concerned with a database that has a 1% market share, opensource or not.
If google hasn't heard of it, it doesn't exist.
Deep fried or baked? Any diff? Personally I usually deep-fry mine.. mmmmmmm wings...
If you had much experience in the real world you would understand what i'm trying to say. Yeah, i'd love to use more opensource, GPL'd software but I love having a job that much more. More and more so in the corporate IT world its about covering your ass because there are plenty of people out there that like making others look bad. And its getting worse day by day. 5 years ago I didn't see nearly as much internal finger pointing as I do now.
But hey, go ahead, choose what you want but becareful it doesn't bite you in the ass. But hey, at least i'm brave enough not to post anonymously.
And as for bugs in Oracle (core rdbms).. I don't recall any incidents in the past 6 years that were show stoppers and I had to install an emergency patch. And I have worked with _alot_ of large database infrastructures. If it is a critical bug, you can be sure there are people working behind the scenes 24x7 to get it resolved and put out a once off patch. I don't have any production experience with postgresql so I can't comment there.
Also, in terms of support, its not an issue of suing someone if something blows up. Its about covering your ass. Yes, its all in the mind but its easier to blame the problem on a bug in Oracle than one in postgresql. When your working with mission critical databases, you don't want to be the fall guy, trust me.
I think its too early to predict the demise of companies like Oracle, MS's SQL Server and IBM's DB2. For the forseeable future (I hate to say 'always') there will be a market for high end databases for mission critical apps like banks and other financial systems. And there will always be companies than feel 'safer' with the support offered by said companies. Its easier (CYA) to blame an Oracle or a Microsoft than an opensource solution. Who do you point a finger at if postgresql crashes (not saying it will, just an example) and your company fails to meet quarter end? I know who your boss will be pointing his finger at....
One thing I don't understand is why more people are opting for mysql over postgresql. I looked into both for a small home project about 6 months ago and postgresql was the clear leader. Mysql was missing some key features that I think alot of apps use or it would be at least an inconvience to get around.
I also think, most people, like myself are sick of 'leasing' software and tired of upgrading every couple of years. Really, what does the latest and greatest MS Word do that I couldn't do in WP 5.1? :)
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Do you have any special contracts with your phone provider? ie, set number of minutes? Is the Pda always connected to the net? ie, will you get instant messages, email notifications, etc?
Look at the belt realestate a camera, phone and PDA takes up. Adding the capabilites of a phone to a PDA probably isn't going to increase the PDA's size significantly at all. The benefit is, I don't have to carry a second device.
I'll still have my digital camera for good pictures but i'd love to have a tiny 1 megapixel camera that I could carry around in my pants pocket to capture spontaneous moments. Since I always carry my PDA, i'll be all set.
Its obvious that people who make comments like 'crappy camera' don't really use theirs. Because if they did, they would realize that there plenty of occasions that they don't have it handy to capture spontaneous situations. Or, maybe they just don't have any friends/family/kids.
Currently I always carry my phone and my PDA. This smart phone looks alot smaller than 2 of these put together and it has a toy (KEYWORD) camera in it. The pictures will only look decent at a 4x6 but hell, thats better than nothing.
My phone has some PDAish features in it and its internal capable but I don't use them. Why? Because the screen is too damn small and useless. I want a PDA that has a phone built into it that I can read a decent size email or surf to a webpage without giving me an aneurism!
Yeah, it might not be the best camera, or the best PDA but i'm sure it will do more than enough and i'll certainly use it more than the one I have now.
Personally, I think this new phone looks pretty sweet. Yeah, it only has a 1mega pixel camera, but if i'm at the mall and my kids do something cute its good enough for a 4x6 print. Better than nothing. Sure, my 5 megapixel camera would take a better picture but I always carry my phone and PDA but not my camera.
I won't be buying another PDA until Internet connectivity is reasonably priced and available. I want to be able to check my mail, surf the web from anywhere and until that happens I don't think the sales of PDA's and smartphones are really going to take off.
I'm not entirely familiar with smartphones (other than the obvious) can their built in PDA's access the internet on demand?
FYI: Hi, After reading your article I was compelled to email some comments w.r.t. the article "Linux's Hit Men". I'll admit my bias up front, I have been using linux since the early 90's. I must say, I was rather disappointed with the tone of the article. If this was, say, Microsoft persuing a company who had violated their licenses, it would probably only be granted a small mention in the press. The basic fact is when companies decide to use software published under the GPL, then they have to abide by the terms of that license. If they are distributing their final product then they _have_ to provide the source as well.. In exchange they are saved alot of money by not having to buy or develope said software. Why is that so hard to understand? Its a mutually beneficial partnership. (I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but companies who use GPL software, make modifications but dont' distribute said software doesn't have to publish the source.) Personally, i'm rather disappointed that a magazine as respectable as Forbes is taking pot shots at Linux. Its just another example of ignorance that we, as Linux advocates, have to work through.
Umm yeah, come back when you have kids. I have 2 and know all too well what can come out of their mouths. It only takes a slip of the tongue once and its in their memory.
He's 4.
Its the women.. Now if I could only get impressionable video games for my wife i'd be all set! (We'll ignore for the moment she hates most video games besides Worms.)
I've used Remedy in a couple of companies, one before the tech crash had over 100k employees. My current employer uses ServiceCenter but we are switching to a Peoplesoft application that is apparently better. There are a few annoying bugs in ServiceCenter. I don't recall having any issues with Remedy. As for the orginal poster, they should already have a centralized location/helpdesk to handle requests which would be funneled to the appropriate group. So using one of these tools should reduce their workload and increase managability with relative ease.
If the only exceptional code produced at SCO is an atoi function, then maybe you should get some better people.
I haven't explored many other vendors sites but I think DB2 does this as well.
Personally I think it makes sense for vendors to allow people to use their products free for personal use and provide documentation. If these people are put into a position where they have to evaluation or use software, what are they going to pick? Software they are familiar with.
Is it just me, or isn't Zion's defenses awefully weak? Sure, people in mech suits with guns on their hips like cowboy's looks pretty cool but shouldn't they have something more advanced? Some automated or remotely controled defenses? We'll have to see the whole sequence to know for sure but I hope there's more to it.