I agree with you on all accounts except protocol buffer. From the comments to the announcement, it seems as if they didn't really evaluate many popular solutions before inventing their own. Its clear they needed an alternative to XML. Its not really clear if they could have just used any of the other existing solutions to the problem. It does sound like they have been using this for a long time. So they may have invented it before many of the alternatives were released.
Well, the idea is that with economic clout comes broad based acceptance of the language in other countries. So that because everyone has to do business with this large group of people that speak language A, it would help communicate with people of country A as well as those in Countries B,C, and D that also do business with country A. That doesn't necessarily mean that Language A is at all close to B,C, or D.
Yeah, anything between the users and the site can contribute to downtime. Users don't really know what the problem is when you are down, they just know you're down. They probably won't understand or really care why. Still, you'll probably have more downtime due to hardware or application specific logic, than platform. FreeBSD, PostgreSQL, and littpd are grate pieces of software, but the popular alternatives (Linux, MySql, apache) won't introduce anymore downtime. There is no magic bullet.
Seriously? Would anyone else consider using PEAR, In this the year of our Lord 2008? Why? Thats not going to scale any better than rails. I'd be very surprised if it scaled as good as rails. It always depends upon how much of it they're using, but you do not hear about large php sites using PEAR for a reason.
Well, when you get down to it : We shouldn't need noscript. We also shouldn't need addblock. Or anitvirus software. Or security policies. Or locks. Yet, we have all of them for the same reason: people are jerks. I'm a jerk, you're a jerk, you're mom's a jerk. Given the opportunity to make a vast sum of money, people will become jerks. Sure, you say to yourself that you wouldn't be a big jerk, but in a game of one-up-man-ship someone will always be willing to be slightly more of a jerk than you, forcing you to respond in kind. Its human nature, the result of survival instincts and original sin.
Yeah, I thought your response was as well, but on the off chance I wanted to error on the side of politeness. I've been in some real life situations where people couldn't tell I was joking and resulted in a near beatdown. I sort of enjoy putting people into that state where they can't tell if I'm joking or not.
Excellent. You've taken a wrong turn down a one way street, my friend. Although the room you've entered is nicely furnished, it was designed by Jean Paul Sarte: there is no Exit.
I'd agree, but no one knows about it in the first place. I have followed its development, only because Micheal Robertson's Micheal's minutes blog posts were so wrong they were funny. They required you to pay to use the beta that required you to run the system as root. That's so freaking sadistic, its hilarious.
Furthermore, I don't think that its targeted at external developers. They can parade it around Microsoft and make their employees who believe they make enterprise class software feel better (If your job is to push a button every 108 minutes to save the world, eventually, you'll start believing it) . They can also show it to customers and claim that it proves they are a better company to work with than Google.
For once a chair related joke could actually be funny on slashdot. Yet,everyone is screwing it up. Incredible. It should be the opposite. What is the opposite of throwing a chair? Building a chair. Eric Schmidt should be happy someone who thinks microsoft is a better company is leaving his company. He should be so happy, he builds himself a celebration throne. or alternatively Balmer is happy and has a chair built.
Okay the joke still needs a bit of work, but its better than what was. Well, Sort of. I give myself a A for idea, but a C minus for implementation of that joke.
Apple was dead, prior to the return of Jobs. There are many levels of dead, and life. Today's Apple isn't the same Apple. When you replace all of your computers internal components and reinstall a completely different OS, isn't it a completely different computer, even though it has the same case?
MY Posts may be correct, or may not be correct, but they are definitely not basically correct.
I think, if nothing else, Microsoft has earned the right to determine the version numbers for its software. The previous numbers are actually correct according to Microsoft. Once you design and build your own OS from scratch, then you can change the version numbers however you like.
The wise answer is "maybe". There are only two companies that have done something similar. Apple, tried doing it from scratch and basically killed itself in the process, had to adapt already written NeXT. Even that took forever and sucked for a couple of years before they got everything right. Microsoft did something similar with windows NT: a ground up modern rewrite that was mostly compatible with the existing windows, but there was a lot of time that passed between win NT 3.50 and win xp. So if they started right now from scratch, maybe in ten years they could have something that would be decent.
That's the basis of most of Western Religion. Coarse, ignorant, cowardly and hateful. We must be teaching our children how to deal with the kinds of semi-evolved who willfully believe such schlock.
Those are exactly the words I would use to describe such people as Mother Theresa of Calcutta, or the Dali Lama. Our Children must be protected against their hate for injustice, inequity, malnutrition, and disease.
Forgive me, If I implied that those are never necessary, or that its always a great idea to rewrite everything form the ground up. Of course, that's a recipe for disaster. I think they are over used, abused, and often not the right solution for the problem.
I think too many people base their judgment of a language based upon the worst implementation of any program they've seen in that language. C++ will always have a place in my heart & I'll use it when ever practical. I think Java just suffers form some really crappy libraries, all the "middleware" api's, application servers, frameworks,ect. Just ignore that and with good application design, you'll be ok.
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I agree with you on all accounts except protocol buffer. From the comments to the announcement, it seems as if they didn't really evaluate many popular solutions before inventing their own. Its clear they needed an alternative to XML. Its not really clear if they could have just used any of the other existing solutions to the problem. It does sound like they have been using this for a long time. So they may have invented it before many of the alternatives were released.
Well, the idea is that with economic clout comes broad based acceptance of the language in other countries. So that because everyone has to do business with this large group of people that speak language A, it would help communicate with people of country A as well as those in Countries B,C, and D that also do business with country A. That doesn't necessarily mean that Language A is at all close to B,C, or D.
Yeah, anything between the users and the site can contribute to downtime. Users don't really know what the problem is when you are down, they just know you're down. They probably won't understand or really care why. Still, you'll probably have more downtime due to hardware or application specific logic, than platform. FreeBSD, PostgreSQL, and littpd are grate pieces of software, but the popular alternatives (Linux, MySql, apache) won't introduce anymore downtime. There is no magic bullet.
Seriously? Would anyone else consider using PEAR, In this the year of our Lord 2008? Why? Thats not going to scale any better than rails. I'd be very surprised if it scaled as good as rails. It always depends upon how much of it they're using, but you do not hear about large php sites using PEAR for a reason.
No, that is accurate. The beta was only for preview members that plunked down $50 for it. And it required you to run as root.
No, those are two competing business models. One's existence does not require the demise of another one.
Well, when you get down to it : We shouldn't need noscript. We also shouldn't need addblock. Or anitvirus software. Or security policies. Or locks. Yet, we have all of them for the same reason: people are jerks. I'm a jerk, you're a jerk, you're mom's a jerk. Given the opportunity to make a vast sum of money, people will become jerks. Sure, you say to yourself that you wouldn't be a big jerk, but in a game of one-up-man-ship someone will always be willing to be slightly more of a jerk than you, forcing you to respond in kind. Its human nature, the result of survival instincts and original sin.
Yeah, I thought your response was as well, but on the off chance I wanted to error on the side of politeness. I've been in some real life situations where people couldn't tell I was joking and resulted in a near beatdown. I sort of enjoy putting people into that state where they can't tell if I'm joking or not.
Its a joke. Laugh:)
There are no winners, just a whole lot of losers.
Excellent. You've taken a wrong turn down a one way street, my friend. Although the room you've entered is nicely furnished, it was designed by Jean Paul Sarte: there is no Exit.
I'd agree, but no one knows about it in the first place. I have followed its development, only because Micheal Robertson's Micheal's minutes blog posts were so wrong they were funny. They required you to pay to use the beta that required you to run the system as root. That's so freaking sadistic, its hilarious.
Building a chair is the opposite of destroying a chair. But, yeah throwing a chair at Schmidt would have been acceptable as well.
Furthermore, I don't think that its targeted at external developers. They can parade it around Microsoft and make their employees who believe they make enterprise class software feel better (If your job is to push a button every 108 minutes to save the world, eventually, you'll start believing it) . They can also show it to customers and claim that it proves they are a better company to work with than Google.
For once a chair related joke could actually be funny on slashdot. Yet,everyone is screwing it up. Incredible. It should be the opposite. What is the opposite of throwing a chair? Building a chair. Eric Schmidt should be happy someone who thinks microsoft is a better company is leaving his company. He should be so happy, he builds himself a celebration throne. or alternatively Balmer is happy and has a chair built.
Okay the joke still needs a bit of work, but its better than what was. Well, Sort of. I give myself a A for idea, but a C minus for implementation of that joke.
Apple was dead, prior to the return of Jobs. There are many levels of dead, and life. Today's Apple isn't the same Apple. When you replace all of your computers internal components and reinstall a completely different OS, isn't it a completely different computer, even though it has the same case?
MY Posts may be correct, or may not be correct, but they are definitely not basically correct.
I think, if nothing else, Microsoft has earned the right to determine the version numbers for its software. The previous numbers are actually correct according to Microsoft. Once you design and build your own OS from scratch, then you can change the version numbers however you like.
The wise answer is "maybe". There are only two companies that have done something similar. Apple, tried doing it from scratch and basically killed itself in the process, had to adapt already written NeXT. Even that took forever and sucked for a couple of years before they got everything right. Microsoft did something similar with windows NT: a ground up modern rewrite that was mostly compatible with the existing windows, but there was a lot of time that passed between win NT 3.50 and win xp. So if they started right now from scratch, maybe in ten years they could have something that would be decent.
Most of the distro's packages don't compile screen with the ultra productive nethack option, so you have to compile it yourself.
Those are exactly the words I would use to describe such people as Mother Theresa of Calcutta, or the Dali Lama. Our Children must be protected against their hate for injustice, inequity, malnutrition, and disease.
Paul Allen should show up with Micro-Soft Basic 2.0 for Altair 8800.
Then please tell us: what are the qualifications for a language that matters, if not usage?
Forgive me, If I implied that those are never necessary, or that its always a great idea to rewrite everything form the ground up. Of course, that's a recipe for disaster. I think they are over used, abused, and often not the right solution for the problem.
Actually, I did write that as && at first by habit, but then corrected it. Maybe I should have left it in.
I think too many people base their judgment of a language based upon the worst implementation of any program they've seen in that language. C++ will always have a place in my heart & I'll use it when ever practical. I think Java just suffers form some really crappy libraries, all the "middleware" api's, application servers, frameworks,ect. Just ignore that and with good application design, you'll be ok.