If you are starting any business you need more than $400. If its a business that you expect to make money, $400 should be nothing. If the price of the cert is preventing stupid businesses that had no chance of every making money from being created, that might not be a bad thing.
Yeah, I don't either. No one has ever explained to me why a legitimate site that needs ssl couldn't afford a legit signed cert. They always raise the issue of cost. To me its like a potential restaurant owner complaining that the board of health won't let him opperate a restaurant because it costs too much to comply with the regulations. I don't ever want to eat at any restaurant where the health code was not followed. This may cause unsanitary restaurateurs to go underground and server even less sanitary food off of garbage heaps, but I don't give a crap. I won't eat there. No one should. The solution is not to lower the standards. I don't ever want to shop at a site that doesn't have a legit cert.
Really? $400 a year for a verisign (one of the most expensive) cert is a barrier that exceeds all other costs?!? Seriously? If that's the case, then their Business Plan sucks.
Thank you for reminding me why all analogies fail. I should have compared it to something like oil,or wheat. You can't really set the price you are going to sell wheat at, it really is set by the market.
I really did mean fiesta ( my neighbor had a beat up one). I had to look up the festiva. Fiestas, as mentioned in the wiki article, were sold in the us from 1978-1980. They were not strictly Europe only.
Let the record show that I know crappy sub compacts from the late seventies and early eighties.
Again, art is a non interchangeable good. Its not like a house in a subdivision, which there are multiple identical alternatives that can be chosen from Independent sellers. I don't see how having the artist set the price would result in the price being "set by the market". Now maybe there would be more competition between artists selling their goods. Is that what you meant?
Maybe you've never thought about it before, but art is a non interchangeable good. You can't swap a Picasso for Johnny smiths drawering. Some individual is always going to be setting a base price for it. If the artist doesn't' sign with a label they must still decide how much they will charge for their services and goods. They only way the free market would decide the prices is if the artist gave up all rights on their music and anyone who wanted to distribute their music set their own price.
If you think that quoted snippet means what you think it means, I've got some nice housing related securities for you to invest in. They can't miss! They're all ARM's. Strong, Unbeatable ARMs. You should also refinance your house today, I can get you a mortgage that only pays interest for the first two years!
Of course its a problem with "citizen Journalists". They don't know well enough to do any research on the subjects they report on. Further more, neither does their audience. Of even more pressing concern, is that more traditional forms of media are following their lead to report sooner with less fact checking.
ireport is a joke. It makes Cnn look like my po-dunk newspaper when it asks people with a 3rd grade education about what they think should be done to fix the economy.
Back in my day, we didn't bad mouth the intellivision! It was awesome. I'd sometimes pretend it was a ultra futuristic phone where you could press buttons instead of using a dial. Plus some games came with special overlays that told you what the numbers did.
Plus, the api is all objective c ish. IF the goal of andriod is to get a ground swell of developers they wouldn't want to follow that kind of syntax and naming convention that most non apple developers (including those that are developing the hardware to run it) aren't familiar with.
The money and availability arguments posted below are better. You can always write up a simple conversion script to convert from the data crunching program to excel. And if you are doing serious number crunching parsing a file to csv isn't much of a task. Learning how to do something in excel will not make it easier in Mathematica. Its always easier to do any kind of mathematical operation in Mathematica.
Now if you have a crazy person that needs to twiddle some numbers and watch the out put in excel.. then you have a point. Haven't read the book, but there are some third party plugins that turn excel into something like a data cruncher. TK Solver includes an excel plugin that give it its capabilities.
1) is crazy. I don't believe a single person that says this. Its like reading Penthouse for the articles. Those that play for fun play in the basements or for free online for worthless pieces of plastic or credits.
I will say that People think its fun to win money. Everyone starts with the belief that they are playing it for the second reason, but at the end of the night will tell everyone they were playing for the first reason, but really is it was for the third reason.
I think there are certain universal rules that must exist in order for a society to exist, that need not have a supernatural basis. Sort of like there are some meteorological conditions that must be met in order for it to snow.
There are then other conditions that are required for it to be a blizzard.
And then there are conditions that over time will lead to major disruptions in the global weather pattern leading to mass extinctions ( ie global warming). The first two are obvious and short term in nature, the real disagreement is over the last on as it foretells long term effects. In order for us to stop global warming it will require individual sacrifice of liberty for the betterment of all. And the effects of the phenomenon will be felt regardless of your individual beliefs.
The arguments about natural law that are going on now are more similar to the third example of global warming. It would be wise of us to pay more attention to sociologists examination of failed societies to reach more agreement on these long term effects.
How do you determine the rights individuals have? Why do you have a right to your property? Why don't I have a right to your property?
In the end I think we are saying the same thing two different ways. Natural Law essentially is the same as figuring out what rights we have that are by our societal needs.
Very interesting. On one hand that would be great if a more responsible entity could step in and crack heads for gross negligence. Chicago's cook county government is pretty corrupt. But the state government is just as corrupt if not more. It seems like the federal government does a good job of sending our governors to prison for corruption, but the county is absolutely untouchable.
I only sort of understand what a Council is. Its a local governmental body, but what is it analogous to in the United states? Is it more like a State, County, or Township government, in its size and exercise of power? It would add some meaning to the story. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that happened on the county level or lower, here in the States. There is also a great deal of variance in the size and competency of County governments depending on the county. Is that also true in the UK? If so, where is this local council, and could it really have been expected to be smarter?
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If you are starting any business you need more than $400. If its a business that you expect to make money, $400 should be nothing. If the price of the cert is preventing stupid businesses that had no chance of every making money from being created, that might not be a bad thing.
Yeah, I don't either. No one has ever explained to me why a legitimate site that needs ssl couldn't afford a legit signed cert. They always raise the issue of cost. To me its like a potential restaurant owner complaining that the board of health won't let him opperate a restaurant because it costs too much to comply with the regulations. I don't ever want to eat at any restaurant where the health code was not followed. This may cause unsanitary restaurateurs to go underground and server even less sanitary food off of garbage heaps, but I don't give a crap. I won't eat there. No one should. The solution is not to lower the standards. I don't ever want to shop at a site that doesn't have a legit cert.
Really? $400 a year for a verisign (one of the most expensive) cert is a barrier that exceeds all other costs?!? Seriously? If that's the case, then their Business Plan sucks.
Thank you for reminding me why all analogies fail. I should have compared it to something like oil,or wheat. You can't really set the price you are going to sell wheat at, it really is set by the market.
I really did mean fiesta ( my neighbor had a beat up one). I had to look up the festiva. Fiestas, as mentioned in the wiki article, were sold in the us from 1978-1980. They were not strictly Europe only.
Let the record show that I know crappy sub compacts from the late seventies and early eighties.
Uhm. No. Fiesta.
So... big drivers of fiestas are they in texas?
Well, then the car won't sell very well in rural texas. Not every solution is applicable to every problem.
Maybe because Mono 2.0 was released, but not by microsoft.
Again, art is a non interchangeable good. Its not like a house in a subdivision, which there are multiple identical alternatives that can be chosen from Independent sellers. I don't see how having the artist set the price would result in the price being "set by the market". Now maybe there would be more competition between artists selling their goods. Is that what you meant?
Maybe you've never thought about it before, but art is a non interchangeable good. You can't swap a Picasso for Johnny smiths drawering. Some individual is always going to be setting a base price for it. If the artist doesn't' sign with a label they must still decide how much they will charge for their services and goods. They only way the free market would decide the prices is if the artist gave up all rights on their music and anyone who wanted to distribute their music set their own price.
If you think that quoted snippet means what you think it means, I've got some nice housing related securities for you to invest in. They can't miss! They're all ARM's. Strong, Unbeatable ARMs. You should also refinance your house today, I can get you a mortgage that only pays interest for the first two years!
Of course its a problem with "citizen Journalists". They don't know well enough to do any research on the subjects they report on. Further more, neither does their audience. Of even more pressing concern, is that more traditional forms of media are following their lead to report sooner with less fact checking.
ireport is a joke. It makes Cnn look like my po-dunk newspaper when it asks people with a 3rd grade education about what they think should be done to fix the economy.
Back in my day, we didn't bad mouth the intellivision! It was awesome. I'd sometimes pretend it was a ultra futuristic phone where you could press buttons instead of using a dial. Plus some games came with special overlays that told you what the numbers did.
Plus, the api is all objective c ish. IF the goal of andriod is to get a ground swell of developers they wouldn't want to follow that kind of syntax and naming convention that most non apple developers (including those that are developing the hardware to run it) aren't familiar with.
In case you're interested Not much different.
The money and availability arguments posted below are better. You can always write up a simple conversion script to convert from the data crunching program to excel. And if you are doing serious number crunching parsing a file to csv isn't much of a task. Learning how to do something in excel will not make it easier in Mathematica. Its always easier to do any kind of mathematical operation in Mathematica.
Now if you have a crazy person that needs to twiddle some numbers and watch the out put in excel.. then you have a point. Haven't read the book, but there are some third party plugins that turn excel into something like a data cruncher. TK Solver includes an excel plugin that give it its capabilities.
They're called addicts. I stand by my previous statement.
Wow, I think that's the most insightful and honest description of the current problem. And I found it on .. slashdot.
I think I'll let everyone else digest that fact for themselves.
1) is crazy. I don't believe a single person that says this. Its like reading Penthouse for the articles. Those that play for fun play in the basements or for free online for worthless pieces of plastic or credits.
I will say that People think its fun to win money. Everyone starts with the belief that they are playing it for the second reason, but at the end of the night will tell everyone they were playing for the first reason, but really is it was for the third reason.
I think there are certain universal rules that must exist in order for a society to exist, that need not have a supernatural basis. Sort of like there are some meteorological conditions that must be met in order for it to snow.
There are then other conditions that are required for it to be a blizzard.
And then there are conditions that over time will lead to major disruptions in the global weather pattern leading to mass extinctions ( ie global warming). The first two are obvious and short term in nature, the real disagreement is over the last on as it foretells long term effects. In order for us to stop global warming it will require individual sacrifice of liberty for the betterment of all. And the effects of the phenomenon will be felt regardless of your individual beliefs.
The arguments about natural law that are going on now are more similar to the third example of global warming. It would be wise of us to pay more attention to sociologists examination of failed societies to reach more agreement on these long term effects.
How do you determine the rights individuals have? Why do you have a right to your property? Why don't I have a right to your property?
In the end I think we are saying the same thing two different ways. Natural Law essentially is the same as figuring out what rights we have that are by our societal needs.
Very interesting. On one hand that would be great if a more responsible entity could step in and crack heads for gross negligence. Chicago's cook county government is pretty corrupt. But the state government is just as corrupt if not more. It seems like the federal government does a good job of sending our governors to prison for corruption, but the county is absolutely untouchable.
So there isn't a separate governmental agency for England, Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland?
I only sort of understand what a Council is. Its a local governmental body, but what is it analogous to in the United states? Is it more like a State, County, or Township government, in its size and exercise of power? It would add some meaning to the story. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that happened on the county level or lower, here in the States. There is also a great deal of variance in the size and competency of County governments depending on the county. Is that also true in the UK? If so, where is this local council, and could it really have been expected to be smarter?