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Be Part of the 2008 Presidential Youth Debate

We participated in this project back in 2004. This year it's hosted by Walden University, and the format is a little less cumbersome than it was four years ago. So go ahead, ask some questions you'd like to see McCain and Obama answer, and they'll go into the pot along with questions submitted through other channels. Later this week you'll have a chance to help moderate the final questions chosen from all sources, and on October 20 you'll be able to see video responses from the two major party candidates. Please limit to yourself to one question per post, and note that questions must be posted no later than 4 p.m. US EDT on Monday, September 29, to be considered.

513 comments

  1. Re:I can see it now... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Compare the real Walden with modern Doonesbury's Walden and you have a treatise on the condescending joke that is american politics as related to entertainment and education

  2. important question by Digitus1337 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you believe that a supreme being has influence over your day to day affairs?

    1. Re:important question by mctk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Naah, easy-out question ("God bless America!"). I think you need to pin 'em down a bit:

      Do you prescribe to the belief that non-Christians will spend eternity in Hell?

      If yes, what influence does this have on your dealings with non-believers?

      If no, how do you reconcile this belief with the bible?

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    2. Re:important question by xsadar · · Score: 1

      If I were a candidate, and this question was posed to me:

      BEGIN RESPONSE
      I believe that salvation comes in and through Jesus Christ. I also believe in a just God who will grant everyone an equal and adequate opportunity to obtain salvation. However, I do not see the relevance of this to my campaign.

      How I view and interact with those of other religions, is important. My religion teaches, and I believe, that every man should be free to believe and worship according to their own conscience. Naturally, I support the second amendment to the Constitution. There are those who want to restrict the worship of others, in violation of the free exercise clause. There are also those who want to impose their form of worship on others, in violation of the establishment clause. I will do everything in my power to prevent such attempts. I am a firm believer in the right to worship as one sees fit, or if one so chooses, the right not to worship. And I would be willing to die defending those rights if it were necessary.
      END RESPONSE

      Why should this question be difficult to answer? Of course a question about religious belief is inherently unfair, because it is irrelevant, and any response will offend some group of bigots (which could be atheist bigots, religious bigots, or possibly even agnostic bigots) who believe differently.
      Also, note that anyone who claims that my first paragraph is not in congruence with the Bible clearly does not understand it.

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    3. Re:important question by mctk · · Score: 1
      Is it possible to both love someone and believe that s/he will spend an eternity in hell without doing everything in your power to convince them to convert? I'm not saying that the president would abuse his/her power, I'm simply saying that it seems inconsistent to me to say "I love you. And I will encourage you to worship according to your own conscience. And you're going to hell." One of the three has to be insincere.

      Of course a question about religious belief is inherently unfair, because it is irrelevant...

      I believe that all non-believers should be put to death. Irrelevant? I believe creationism is true and should be taught in schools. Irrelevant?

      ..and any response will offend some group of bigots...who believe differently.

      Don't confuse "offended" with "in disagreement".

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    4. Re:important question by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      My religion teaches, and I believe, that every man should be free to believe and worship according to their own conscience. Naturally, I support the second amendment to the Constitution. There are those who want to restrict the worship of others, in violation of the free exercise clause.

      Joe Biden? Is that you?

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    5. Re:important question by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Hey man, you know the second amendment is guns and the first amendment is relgion/speech/press/assembly, right?

    6. Re:important question by flyingsquid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Do you believe that a supreme being has influence over your day to day affairs?

      Well obviously Obama believes that Allah controls his affairs.

    7. Re:important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because CNN said Fox News said so.

    8. Re:important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, for mod points. +1 for you sir.

    9. Re:important question by ciggieposeur · · Score: 2, Funny

      My religion teaches, and I believe, that every man should be free to believe and worship according to their own conscience. Naturally, I support the second amendment to the Constitution.

      "Because as we all know, firearms are critical to many kinds of religious celebrations. Like weddings."

    10. Re:important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"Because as we all know, firearms are critical to many kinds of religious celebrations. Like weddings."

      And Crusades.

    11. Re:important question by mmalove · · Score: 1

      Absolutely correct. But I think at least he/she understands that it's not the government's place, nor the place of those acting in public office, to advocate any particular religous position.

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    12. Re:important question by operagost · · Score: 1

      Do any of these questions have anything to do with being a government official? If you're really concerned about any of these candidates allowing religious dogma to influence their decisions, that would be a single question. Loaded questions like these are disrespectful and counterproductive.

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    13. Re:important question by operagost · · Score: 1

      And I will encourage you to worship according to your own conscience.

      Straw man. "Allow" and "encourage" are not the same thing.

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    14. Re:important question by xsadar · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to both love someone and believe that s/he will spend an eternity in hell without doing everything in your power to convince them to convert? I'm not saying that the president would abuse his/her power, I'm simply saying that it seems inconsistent to me to say "I love you. And I will encourage you to worship according to your own conscience. And you're going to hell." One of the three has to be insincere.

      You can't force anyone to heaven. The ONLY way they CAN get there is by worshiping according to their own conscience. So naturally, I would encourage them to worship according to their own conscience. The sibling post (to this one) commented that allow and encourage are not the same thing, but I like the word encourage better. And yes, I believe in doing everything in my power to help people willingly convert. In the case of president that involves doing everything in his/her power to ensure religious freedom. Anything that violates that would be counterproductive. Also note that I couldn't possibly know that any particular person was going to hell, so if I said it (which I never have or would), that would indeed be insincere.

      I believe that all non-believers should be put to death. Irrelevant? I believe creationism is true and should be taught in schools. Irrelevant?

      Let me qualify my original statement. Religious beliefs that are unrelated to policy or prejudice are irrelevant. So my religious beliefs that everyone should be free to worship according to their own conscience, would of course be relevant, as it indicates my lack of prejudice.

      ..and any response will offend some group of bigots...who believe differently.

      Don't confuse "offended" with "in disagreement".

      Don't confuse "some" with "all", and don't confuse bigots with people who believe differently. Also note that the "who believe differently" part was not redundant. Bigots who believe differently are fairly likely to be offended and thus vote against you (while those bigots who agree with you are also more likely to vote for you because they agree). Other people (those who are not bigots) who believe differently will be fair, and not vote against (or for) you simply because your religious beliefs are different than (or the same as) theirs.

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    15. Re:important question by xsadar · · Score: 1

      Hey man, you know the second amendment is guns and the first amendment is relgion/speech/press/assembly, right?

      Oops. Of course I meant the first amendment. Maybe it's a good thing I'm not a politician. Bringing up gun rights when discussing religion could get me into all kinds of trouble.

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    16. Re:important question by xsadar · · Score: 1

      You mean there's something Biden and I agree on?

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    17. Re:important question by chaosmind · · Score: 1

      Do you believe that a supreme being has influence over your day to day affairs?

      And is that supreme being indeed called the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

      Seriously, religion is a huge issue, but you've got to be subtle about asking that question. I would love to see someone ask Obama his position on Roe v. Wade. He'd squirm a bit, doing an awkward little two-step to avoid pissing off the religious right while still being honest. McCain would be smiling, waiting for his turn, thinking the follow-up question to him would be the same.

      Then the change-up: "Senator McCain: what is your position on the Scopes trial?"

    18. Re:important question by mctk · · Score: 1

      Fair enough:

      "I love you. I believe you're going to hell. And I won't do everything in my power to convince you to convert."

      One of these three must be insincere, no? I'm not arguing that it would be logical to disallow disbelief, I'm arguing that it is illogical to stand by as someone you love makes their way to Hell.

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  3. Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by Kligat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Currently the Minerals Management Services in the Department of the Interior has companies pay between 12.5% and 18.75% royalties to use United States public land, depending on the mineral being harvested. Senator, do you believe that the amount of royalties they pay should also vary depending on environmental sensitivity, such as when drilling offshore?

    This is not a question as to whether we should, and it is addressed to both candidates.

    1. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by drums.r.better · · Score: 1

      Thats a good question. Informed voters should be interested in candidate's answers.

    2. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      This is not a question as to whether we should, and it is addressed to both candidates.

      Don't bother clarifying the question, politicians don't answer the question they were asked but the question they want to answer.

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    3. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by Tyger · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure both of said voters will be paying close attention.

    4. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've submitted my own question already which I considered to be more important, but this is a very good question as well. When Our national resources are being used, who truly owns those resources and whose job is it to oversee their use?

    5. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      This is not a question as to whether we should

      That's unfortunate, because the answer is that "we should not". The government does not have a right to property, although the Homestead Act gave a means by which the government could buy property from another government, and give it to people as they desired to make use of the property. The same should be done with offshore property. The government should not continue to make money off these properties, they are not landlords collecting rent, and should not be free to arbitrarily change these royalties - in short, the royalties should not exist.

    6. Re:Varying royalty rates for offshore drilling by Kligat · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I had meant to reference that I didn't want either to answer with their positions on offshore oil drilling.

  4. The most important question by Mike1024 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I think the most important question, the one we all want to hear the answer to, is: How do I patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?

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    1. Re:The most important question by syntek · · Score: 1

      If the Russians can give a strait answer, surely the US can.

    2. Re:The most important question by scientus · · Score: 1

      wow those russians seems much more 4chan-like than americans

    3. Re:The most important question by scientus · · Score: 1

      holy shit Viktor Yushchenko was not only able to give a straight answer but actually knew what he was talking about!

    4. Re:The most important question by scientus · · Score: 1

      *chan stuff doesnt get edited out of russian wikipedia like it does en wikipedia, i guess the Russians dont have as many bureaucratic bastards

  5. Alternative Energy by CSMatt · · Score: 1

    As president, what forms of alternative energy will you be advocating, if any?

  6. A serious question for both candidates by techno-vampire · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why do you consider yourself qualified to be President of the United States of America?

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    1. Re:A serious question for both candidates by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      i hate that question during job interviews.

      It's up there with, why should we hire you instead of someone else?

      Or even better "Name your 5 weaknesses"

    2. Re:A serious question for both candidates by bh_doc · · Score: 1

      It's up there with, why should we hire you instead of someone else?

      That's easy: Because I really need the cash to support my cocaine habit!

      Seems to work for middle management. At least, I think they're on something...

    3. Re:A serious question for both candidates by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      i hate that question during job interviews.

      If you don't have a good answer to that question, you don't belong at the interview. Both candidates claim to be qualified for the job, and I want to know just what they think their qualifications are. If nothing else, it would be interesting to see what they think it takes to be President.

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    4. Re:A serious question for both candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lame. That's the weakest interview question of all time. Where's the creativity? You've got to catch people off-guard to find out what they really think.

      If you really want to get to know the candidates, ask them something personal about your life. Like, right now, I'm 50K in debt, work in a cubicle, and generally live for the weekend. How would you suggest I get out of this rut?

    5. Re:A serious question for both candidates by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you consider yourself qualified to be President of the United States of America?

      Seriously? That's a huge softball lob. Why not just say, "Hey, could you ramble on aimlessly with your usual image spin crap for a couple of minutes? Thanks."?

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    6. Re:A serious question for both candidates by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that both of them are going to completely lie and twist the truth in their answers, so their answers will be completely useless. In actuality, neither of these bozos is qualified to be President, just like GWB was never qualified to be President. Personally, I don't care what their answers would be, because they'd be just a bunch of lies. Any idiot can see that these fools are not qualified, but unfortunately, unlike a normal job interview, we the people aren't smart enough to just say "no" to hiring either of them. If this were a private company, they'd throw both candidates' resumes in the trash and keep looking.

    7. Re:A serious question for both candidates by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      If you really want to get to know the candidates, ask them something personal about your life.

      I don't want to know how they would run my life, I want to know how they would run the country.

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    8. Re:A serious question for both candidates by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Seriously? That's a huge softball lob.

      And while they're rambling, I'd be learning what they think the qualifications for the office are, because that's what they'd be emphasizing. It would also have the advantage of catching them off-guard, because most people never ask questions like that.

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    9. Re:A serious question for both candidates by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Of course they'll lie and twist the truth. That's the point. You see, they'll twist the truth to make it look like they're qualified in their own opinion, and that will tell me what they think the qualifications are. That, in turn, will tell me what they think is the most important part of being president, and that's not exactly something they're eager to tell us, are they? It's not their qualifications I'm interested in, as those are a matter of public record, but how they view them. You have to think outside the box.

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    10. Re:A serious question for both candidates by dangitman · · Score: 1

      because most people never ask questions like that.

      Uhhh, what? It's the typical media question when they don't have anything serious to ask. It's a total cliché.

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    11. Re:A serious question for both candidates by Cowmonaut · · Score: 1

      Besides, the President will have to be a politician if the other world leaders are politicians. Fight liars with liars.* * I'm sure that, at times, there are leaders who do not lie but they are few and far between. If you did elect an 'honest' President he wouldn't remain innocent for long.

    12. Re:A serious question for both candidates by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Proper answer:

      My first weakness is I occasionally refuse to answer bullshit questions during interviews.

      Next question, please.

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    13. Re:A serious question for both candidates by tbannist · · Score: 1

      That's actually a really good point.

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    14. Re:A serious question for both candidates by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      5 Weaknesses:

      1. I'm too awesome. It's really troublesome being this awesome.
      2. I work too well, and get way too much done, it's a pain in the ass for everyone.
      3. I've got a bad habit of buying everyone in the office doughnuts, and Tim Hortons is bad for people's health!
      4. I'm too loveable. Don't fall for me, I'll only break your heart.
      5. I cut myself just to see if I still feel. The pain is like a jolting, bleeding reality check, the only way I know I'm still alive.

      Wait. What?

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    15. Re:A serious question for both candidates by roystgnr · · Score: 1

      If this were a private company, they'd throw both candidates' resumes in the trash and keep looking.

      That depends on how urgently the company needed a position to be filled; sometimes even a bad employee is better than no employee. And "President of the United States of America" is a very critical position! If there wasn't anyone around to sign bills into law, then the next time we discovered the need to spend a trillion taxpayer dollars buying bad mortgages from corrupt financiers, we wouldn't be able to...

      hmmmm...

      Are you sure the trash can is good enough? I've got a paper shredder too.

    16. Re:A serious question for both candidates by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      i hate that question during job interviews.

      It's up there with, why should we hire you instead of someone else?

      Or even better "Name your 5 weaknesses"

      The 5 weaknesses questions is really a trick question to get you to name your problems without resolve.

      That's why you state the 5 problems that you worked with as your five strengths seeing that you were able to overcome those obstacles.

      Nevertheless the hiring of someone else question is another trap question. You can really turn it around on the company that is interviewing you to show how much of a mistake it is to pick another candidate as an employee. Also, you can take those same weakness, that another employee could have as a strength yet lacks a more important trait that you have, and use it as firepower.

      You have to be the rogue that disarms traps, goes stealth and reuse them on the soon-to-be employer.

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    17. Re:A serious question for both candidates by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      And your just going to let these liars run your country?

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    18. Re:A serious question for both candidates by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, yes. My idiotic countrymen seem to be happy to vote for them, so there's nothing I can do about it other than rant and rave.

      I'll have renewed hope for my countrymen if the results of the November election come in, and they echo the election in Minnesota where Jesse Ventura won, to everyone's surprise.

  7. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by mctk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You also won't get that impression by listening to his running mate.

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  8. Flamebait by Boronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    John McCain, you've voted for a law to legalize torture for suspected enemy combatants. Do you regret that decision? Does your decision imply that the actions of your captors in North Vietnam were appropriate?

    John McCain, you were neck deep in what was up till now the biggest banking scandal and bailout in US history. Does this experience give you any special insight into the current credit crisis?

    John McCain, in a recent interview you apparently did not know that Spain is a European country and a close ally. You spoke as if they were some kind of potential enemy in Latin America, even though you were reminded three times that you were discussing Spain. Later, your spokesman said that your dissing of Spain was intentional. Is either interpretation of the interview correct?

    What kind of man calls his wife a "cunt" in public?

    1. Re:Flamebait by Kierthos · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Senator McCain, why won't you release your full medical records?

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    2. Re:Flamebait by JackieBrown · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Obama is just as "neck deep" if not more in "the biggest baking scandal / bailout in US history"

    3. Re:Flamebait by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obama is just as "neck deep" if not more in "the biggest baking scandal / bailout in US history"

      Personally, I'm appalled at the special treatment the baking industry is getting. It's not my fault they made too many cookies and loaves of bread and had to eat the loss when they spoiled. Why should I have to pay for their lack of foresight? They decided to overbake because they got greedy, and then they got caught with their pants down. They now have to try and sell a ton of day-old bread that no one really wants at steep discounts, and my tax money gets to make up the difference? Give me a break!

      Sure, you hear a lot of nonsense about how the baking crisis could spill over into the fried foods industry or, heaven help us, deli meats, but I don't believe it for a second. We have plenty of preservative-laden Wonder Bread to take us past any temporary fresh bread shortage, and if worse comes to worst we still have emergency Twinkie rations left over from the Great Yeast Die-Off of 1983.

      All this talk of a bailout is short-sighted and foolish. If we bail out the bakers now, who's next? The butchers? The candlestick makers? It boggles the mind.

    4. Re:Flamebait by ddoz · · Score: 1

      I wish I could mod you up.

    5. Re:Flamebait by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 3, Funny

      How is it flamebait to ask valid questions that the media should be asking? All of those are completely relevant. The only change I'd make is to the last one - "What kind of man, living today, uses the term trollop in everyday conversation, let alone in reference to his wife?"

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    6. Re:Flamebait by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not that type of baking, silly. This kind.

    7. Re:Flamebait by jmac1492 · · Score: 5, Informative
      John McCain, you've voted for a law to legalize torture for suspected enemy combatants. Do you regret that decision? Does your decision imply that the actions of your captors in North Vietnam were appropriate?

      I wish I had mod points. The McCain Torture Ban, as written, is an absolute ban on torture. The "legalization" you refer to comes from a "signing statement" by President Bush. A signing statement is when the President signs a bill into law and says "Part X of the law is unclear, so I'm going to interpret it to mean Y." In this case, President Bush said "The part of the Torture Ban about whether torture is banned is unclear, so I'm going to interpret it to mean 'Torture is NOT banned.'" John McCain waved the bullshit flag. A day or so after the signing statement was made public, McCain was asked about it and said, "If Bush didn't like the bill, he should have vetoed it" and then promised that if he was elected, he wouldn't make any signing statements at all. John McCain is NOT in favor of torture.

      John McCain, you were neck deep in what was up till now the biggest banking scandal and bailout in US history. Does this experience give you any special insight into the current credit crisis?

      Yeah, he's got special insight into banking scandals. That's why he cosponsored a bill to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac far more strictly in 2005. If the Democrats hadn't blocked that bill, the companies wouldn't have melted down. Of course, if the Democrats hadn't blocked that bill, they wouldn't have been able to give so much to Democrats in campaign contributions.

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    8. Re:Flamebait by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative
      Senator Obama, will you at least let some journalists look at your medical records like Senator McCain did? And no, Senator Obama a note from your doctor saying you're in good health is not equivalent.

      .
      Follow-up Senator Obama. Senator McCain released all his health records back in 1999. Will you match Senator McCain and release all your records prior to 2000?

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    9. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you actually listened to the "recent interview" about Spain? Here's the mp3 and transcript if you want to.
      mp3 transcript
      Please listen and let me know if you stand by your statement. To me it sounds like he's having trouble understanding what the interviewer is asking so he's just giving a boilerplate "I'm willing to talk with our allies but I'll stand up to my enemies." Very generic, and so it appears very FUD-ish to state that he thinks Spain is not an ally.

    10. Re:Flamebait by Quila · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that the government ordered them to bake too many cookies and loaves of bread and the government is pretending it has no fault in this.

    11. Re:Flamebait by Falstius · · Score: 1

      Yes, that would be a perfectly reasonable explanation. Unfortunately, it is not the one given by his campaign advisor afterwards

    12. Re:Flamebait by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      John McCain is NOT in favor of torture.

      Yes, he is. He voted against a measure that would forbid the CIA to waterboard suspects:

      Republican presidential front-runner John McCain bluntly called waterboarding "torture and illegal" Wednesday morning, again challenging the Bush administration's defense of a harsh interrogation tactic that makes prisoners think they are drowning.

      But later the same day, McCain cast a vote against Democratic-sponsored legislation supported by anti-torture advocates that sought to ban waterboarding and other coercive tactics by the CIA.

      That's why he cosponsored a bill to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac far more strictly in 2005. If the Democrats hadn't blocked that bill, the companies wouldn't have melted down.

      Garbage. And how did poor minorities drag down Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers and AIG? This problem was caused by deregulation and greed, not FM/FM. FM/FM are symptoms of the disease, not the cause.

      Of course, if the Democrats hadn't blocked that bill, they wouldn't have been able to give so much to Democrats in campaign contributions.

      If you're referring to the wingnut talking point that Obama received donations from FM/FM, that talking point is a lie. He's received donations from employees of FM/FM, not the companies themselves - big difference.

    13. Re:Flamebait by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Liar.

    14. Re:Flamebait by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're absolutely right. After all, Obama is also 72 years old, was held prisoner for five years, and has had the most dangerous form of skin cancer a year after he released all his medical records.

      Oh wait.....

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    15. Re:Flamebait by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Troll

      No, but his father died at age 46, his mother at age 52, and is an admitted cocaine and marijuana user and decades-long smoker. All of which should raise serious concerns about his own health.

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    16. Re:Flamebait by Boronx · · Score: 1

      You could definitely frame it that way, but it gets less convincing each time she reminds him that the subject is Spain, not Latin America. By the end of it, it's clear that McCain could not or would not pay attention to what she was saying.

    17. Re:Flamebait by hohead · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points. The McCain Torture Ban, as written, is an absolute ban on torture. The "legalization" you refer to comes from a "signing statement" by President Bush. A signing statement is when the President signs a bill into law and says "Part X of the law is unclear, so I'm going to interpret it to mean Y." In this case, President Bush said "The part of the Torture Ban about whether torture is banned is unclear, so I'm going to interpret it to mean 'Torture is NOT banned.'" John McCain waved the bullshit flag. A day or so after the signing statement was made public, McCain was asked about it and said, "If Bush didn't like the bill, he should have vetoed it" and then promised that if he was elected, he wouldn't make any signing statements at all. John McCain is NOT in favor of torture.

      You may be correct with regards to the "McCain Torture Ban" legislation, however, McCain has shown his support of torture in other ways since then. For example:

      Senator John McCain voted against a bill to curtail the C.I.A.'s use of harsh interrogation tactics... The bill, which the Senate passed Wednesday by 51 to 45, would force the C.I.A. to abide by the rules set out in the Army Field Manual on Interrogation, which prohibits physical force and lists approved interrogation methods.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

    18. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Democrats hadn't blocked that bill, the companies wouldn't have melted down.

      No, they still would've melted down. They have always been a shitstorm waiting to happen, as anyone in finance could tell you. They are completely undiversified, and have two conflicting goals: to facilitate mortgages to as many Americans as possible, and to make a profit (since they are a public shareholder-owned company). In other words, their only business is mortgages, and they had to accept even risky mortgages. And they had an implicit (wasn't explicit until gov finally took them over last month) gov backing, so they didn't have much reason to be risk-averse.

    19. Re:Flamebait by dangitman · · Score: 1

      They decided to overbake because they got greedy, and then they got caught with their pants down.

      Holy mixed metaphors, Batman!

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    20. Re:Flamebait by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 1

      Well done. 5 points is not enough. I wish I had mod points for you.

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    21. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I was hoping that maybe marijuana legalization would finally have a chance...guess it was just a pipe dream.

    22. Re:Flamebait by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      I think Jon Stewart already has a hold of them.

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    23. Re:Flamebait by operagost · · Score: 1

      Yes, he is. He voted against [washingtonpost.com] a measure that would forbid the CIA to waterboard suspects:

      That bill had unrelated bullcrap attached to it, as usual.

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    24. Re:Flamebait by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That bill had unrelated bullcrap attached to it, as usual.

      Wishful revisionism. From the same link:

      Randy Scheunemann, McCain's top national security adviser, said McCain was concerned about the Senate legislation's requirement that the CIA abide by Army rules. "It's not a vote for torture," Scheunemann said. "This wasn't a vote on waterboarding. This was a vote on applying the standards of the field manual to CIA personnel."

      In 2005, he sponsored the Detainee Treatment Act, which explicitly forbade the use of waterboarding and other harsh tactics on U.S. military prisoners but exempted the CIA.

      Facts & consistency: Kyrptonite for wingnuts.

    25. Re:Flamebait by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      His father died from a car crash. I didn't realize car crashes were hereditary diseases.

      You really shouldn't be modded informative because the information you provide is misleading.

    26. Re:Flamebait by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Can you explain that please? I mean, I already know you're full of shit. I'm just thinking it would be interesting to hear what set of lies and half-truths you plan to use.

    27. Re:Flamebait by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Sure, since your obviously so open minded you worthless piece of shit.

      Where the fuck is your request to see how McCain is tied in?

      On that's right. You don't really give a damn about the truth.

      Otherwise you would have taken the 10 seconds to see that Obama was 3rd highest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae exceeded only by Kerry and Dodd.

      That was my first hit. That's not even counting Franklin Raines who Obama doesn't even seem to know anymore.

    28. Re:Flamebait by brkello · · Score: 1

      God, you are a moron. Who are you parroting? Limbaugh? McCain would be the oldest first term president ever, has been tortured, and has had a serious form of cancer several times. For you to suggest that Obama's health is at risk as much as McCain shows that you are just an idiot or a tool of idiots. With someone as stupid as Palin on the ticket, McCain's health becomes even more of a concern. I mean...she thinks the government bailout has to do with health care! I could have answered the questions Katie Couric asked more intelligently...they weren't that hard!

      I have watched this country go down the toilet for the past 8 years due to someone I didn't vote for. Please, don't try the typical stupid Republican tactics to tear down another intelligent person. This country can't take another 4 years under someone who can barely pass their classes.

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    29. Re:Flamebait by brkello · · Score: 1

      I'll bite. How does taking contributions from a company make him responsible for their actions? If you were running for office and someone legitimate offered to give you money, would you take it? Of course! McCain said he wasn't in the hands of oil lobbyists and now he has taken huge sums of money from them.

      McCain has repeatedly voted and pushed for the deregulation of the financial markets which has caused this meltdown. Obama has introduced no fraud bills in the senate that has called for more regulations in these industries to try to prevent this collapse. You are just repeating the stupid Republican talking points. Please try to use your brain instead of just repeating the garbage because it takes about two seconds to figure it out. Both campaigns get money from all kinds of different interests when running their campaigns. It doesn't make them responsible for them when they screw up because Obama and McCain don't become the CEO of the companies just because they get a campaign contribution. The fundamental philosophy of the neo-cons are why we are in this mess. Trying to deflect this by saying..."but...but...Obama took money from Freddie and Fannie!" just shows what a child you are. This election is huge and I can only hope that the voters this year are smart enough to recognize the stupid things you say (that you get from Limbaugh, Fox News, etc) as the big, stinking pile of crap that it is.

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    30. Re:Flamebait by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Knew it! Thanks for the laugh.

    31. Re:Flamebait by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Aim to please

    32. Re:Flamebait by arstchnca · · Score: 1

      Actually if you look through his comment history you'll notice a significantly concerted effort to appear retarded. I'm pretty sure it's original work.

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  9. Don't you feel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't you feel that elections in the USA are a sham these days, and that for the most part, there is no real difference between the two major parties - beyond superficial ones that get blown out of proportion in an effort to make it seem like people actually have a choice?

    1. Re:Don't you feel... by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      But I'm pro-skub!

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  10. I got one. by legoman666 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President . The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.' Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was. The old rancher said, 'When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle.'

    The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. 'You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb idiot put her up there to begin with.

    So my question is: Sen. McCain, why'd you put that turtle on that post?

    1. Re:I got one. by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      McCain is a reptile, and needed some cold-blooded company.

    2. Re:I got one. by dunezone · · Score: 1

      So my question is: Sen. McCain, why'd you put that turtle on that post?

      Hes a maverick, do I need say more?

    3. Re:I got one. by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 4, Funny

      So my question is: Sen. McCain, why'd you put that turtle on that post?

      Are you trying to determine if he's a replicant?

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    4. Re:I got one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to determine if he's a replicant?

      If he is, the fail-safes have worked properly to prevent him from developing any human emotional responses.
      /it's a joke, laff

  11. Fine Arts by Badgerzilla · · Score: 1

    As a member of several public school fine arts groups, I know the value they have and how positively influential they are to developing children. My question is: how will you ensure that fine arts (bands, choral groups, theatre, et cetera) both remain in public schools and are sufficiently well-funded to function at a high level? This question is directed to both candidates.

    1. Re:Fine Arts by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      More importantly, how do you plan to keep band directors from blowing all their funds on the Marching Band, for uniforms and equipment to provide halftime entertainment at football games?

    2. Re:Fine Arts by Badgerzilla · · Score: 1

      HEYHOLDUPASEC. While it does take 90% of the budget, the marching band is about the only real competitive event band nerds get. That, and it can definitely be just as high quality (if you train for hours a day, that is). Don't get me started.

    3. Re:Fine Arts by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      You forgot about other competitive events: Concert, Chamber, Jazz, and Orchestral.

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  12. Gun Control by Remik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Senator Obama, you voiced limited approval for the Supreme Court's Heller decision, overturning the handgun ban (as it related to self defense in the home) in the District of Columbia. You stated, "As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne."

    Given that the streets of Chicago were deadlier this summer than the streets of Baghdad, is the handgun ban 'working' in Chicago? And, is it Constitutional?

    1. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And, what part of "shall not be infringed" to you not understand?

    2. Re:Gun Control by SoapBox17 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hardly deadlier. That article is comparing the deaths of (mostly) unarmed civilians with the deaths of armed troops. If anything, that could be used to highlight the potential of widely adopted gun ownership to save lives because criminals are deterred by the possibility of getting shot.

    3. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what part of "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..." do YOU not understand?

    4. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mentally retarded "argument" was destroyed in D.C. v. Heller.

      For demonstrating sub-human intellect, and for denying the individual nature of the Second Amendment, you need to be killed.

    5. Re:Gun Control by TheIzzy · · Score: 1

      Your question does not make sense.

      Obama, as president, will have no authority over Chicago. If you don't like Chicagan policies, blame their (corrupt) mayor and city council.

      Obama's (or McCain's) responsibility with respect to gun laws will be what weapons can be legally imported from foreign nations, and for what purposes.

    6. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, what part of "shall not be infringed" to you not understand?

      So I presume you would allow every citizen to keep a fully automatic machine gun in their home. How about a rocket launcher?

    7. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. Shall I bring an infantry regiment, or is a SWAT team sufficient?

      Remember who you're dealing with here- the government.

    8. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      machine gun, yes. it is after all ARMS

      rocket launcher, no. its fucking ordnance.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ordnance

    9. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please pull your head out of your ass. The Supreme Court recently ruled that the 2nd Amendment was an individual right. The government has no legal basis to confiscate small arms from a law-abiding citizen. You can bring a SWAT team if you like, but it would have to be a SWAT team of private citizens, in which case I'd be well within my rights to put a bullet in each of your brains defending myself.

    10. Re:Gun Control by bendodge · · Score: 5, Informative

      The President will have power to appoint new SCOTUS justices if the need arises, and an Obama court would be very likely to overturn or confine Heller.

      FYI Obama supports a total handgun ban, 500% increase on firearms and ammunition taxes, reinstatment of the Clinton Gun Ban, voted against a bill to allow self-defense in your house in Chicago, and on and on. So let's not have anyone debate over whether or not Obama respects our gun rights. Voting speaks far louder than rhetoric.

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    11. Re:Gun Control by tooyoung · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? The article that you link to compares the number shot to death in Chicago to the number of US soldiers being killed in Iraq. Wouldn't it make sense to compare the number of people being shot in both places, not just US soldiers?

    12. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dumb can you be?? If more unarmed civilians died compared to armed troops that means DEADLIER. If you can't understand that simple concept, please get some education.

    13. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the case of DC v. Heller? It certainly doesn't say what you think it does. It leaves enormously wide swaths of territory wide open to regulation and in fact may have constricted previously-defined rights in some circumstances.

      Moreover, the claim that the government has no legal basis to confiscate small arms from 'law abiding citizens' is a tautology; the government would merely declare via statute that such people were not law abiding citizens, at which point it would be able to do as it pleased.

      The fact that such an action might later be struck down upon application for judicial review does not prevent its happening.

      Finally, if you truly believe the kind of rubbish you're spewing, let me point you toward Waco, Texas, and people who apparently had similar attitudes to you. The result was that they were smashed by a heavily armed assault force of Federal agents, supported by military units. It didn't help that they didn't win in court afterward, of course, but even if they had, such a decision would not magically have gone back in time and stopped hundreds of federal agents plus a pair of Abrams tanks from smashing their compound apart, would it?

    14. Re:Gun Control by sdo1 · · Score: 1

      Hey! You stole my line (kinda).

      (see sig)

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    15. Re:Gun Control by Thaddeaus · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the criminals will never think of getting bigger guns.....

      Crap! Now they know!

    16. Re:Gun Control by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a corollary, what other parts of the bill of rights should be applied differently in different parts of the Country? Does free speech work in Cheyenne but not in Chicago or Washington DC? The Supreme Court said that the right to bear arms is a fundamental individual right and being that the handgun is among the most practical of personal defense weapons available today why should ownership of handguns be needlessly encumbered in Chicago or Washington DC? Are Chicago and DC any less dangerous than Cheyenne? Hasn't there already been enough damage done to the Constitution and individual rights in this Country (free speech cages, handgun bans, panopticon surveillance, etc...) by a take what we like and leave what we don't approach to our founding documents?

    17. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, much deadlier. The fact that you can question that just shows that they didn't add traffic fatalities to the mix.

      (Oh yeah, I just went there.)

    18. Re:Gun Control by Remik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would you prefer if I rephrased to say 'deadlier for Americans'? You can argue the semantics, but the point stands. More Americans died from gunshots on the streets around Obama's home than in the streets sounding the former palace of Saddam Hussein.

      I want the Senator to tell us whether he believes that peoples of Chicago should be prevented from owning handguns to protect themselves in their homes. Because, the police aren't able to do so, and we can't all have a security detail stationed at either end of our block.

    19. Re:Gun Control by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Informative

      The so-called "Clinton Gun Ban" was authored by Joe Biden, FYI...

    20. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI Obama supports a total handgun ban, 500% increase on firearms and ammunition taxes, reinstatment of the Clinton Gun Ban, voted against a bill to allow self-defense in your house in Chicago, and on and on.

      [citation needed]

    21. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yes, for those "soap box, ballot box, ammo box" types, I ask them to name a single time that using firearms on the feds has ever worked. Doing so just brings more feds with more guns and an ever increasing desire to kill you.

      And when you do use guns to defend yourself from feds or LEO's and aren't shot on sight, don't look to the NRA for help. The 2nd most powerful domestic lobby should be breaking down the doors of folks like Randy Weaver or Cory Maye with $10,000 an hour lawyers, but the NRA doesn't do shit. And then wingnuts have the nerve to complain that ACLU doesn't take gun cases.

    22. Re:Gun Control by Javit · · Score: 1

      Try Wikipedia's page titled 'Political positions of Barack Obama'.

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    23. Re:Gun Control by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Most citizens in Switzerland have fully-automatic assault rifles in their homes. It seems to work well for them.

    24. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Too lazy to use an href? That's okay, I went to the page anyway, and was quite unsurprised to find that your assertions were crap, crap, crap, crap, and crap, respectively.

    25. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but... there are more Americans in the streets of Chicago than in Baghdad. Guess what? More Americans probably died in America than anywhere else in the world. I guess that means America is the most dangerous place for an American to be.

    26. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between the right to own a gun and the common sense to know when you're outgunned.

    27. Re:Gun Control by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      A bullet is a bullet.

    28. Re:Gun Control by bratgitarre · · Score: 1

      Most citizens in Switzerland have fully-automatic assault rifles in their homes. It seems to work well for them.

      ...at least until some nutjob shot 14 people in a state parliament using one of those standard army-issue assault rifles their conscripts get to keep at home.

    29. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      So you agree that these people have delusions of grandeur, as they will always be outgunned.

    30. Re:Gun Control by miraboo · · Score: 1

      If anything, that could be used to highlight the potential of widely adopted gun ownership to save lives because criminals are deterred by the possibility of getting shot.

      Or perhaps we should conclude that it is very difficult to making any meaningful conclusion from the numbers at all. Surely, it would be more sensible to compare the total number of gun related civilian deaths per 100,000 in Iraq and in the Chicago area.

      If for some reason we were desperate to salvage these numbers we should at least look at the risk of an American serving in Iraq dying as against the risk of a Chicagoan dying as the result of a firearm injury. But hey, why let facts get in the way of opinion.

      Disclosure: As a non-gun owner and non-American I find the attitude of some Americans towards gun ownership very hard to understand.

    31. Re:Gun Control by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      It didn't work out very well for the people in this incident either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre

      Yet the impact of that event rippled throughout history.

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    32. Re:Gun Control by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      There are a lot more Americans in Chicago than in Iraq, too. More than one hundred times as much if you're including the suburbs, or just fifty times as much if you're not.

      So being in Iraq is actually twenty-five to fifty times deadlier in than living in Chicago, you moron.

      This is, of course, statistical stupid, because most, maybe up to 75%, of the troops in Iraq are not in danger. They are support troops, in the Green Zone, and some of the safest people in the world, being protected on military bases by people with weapons and feet of steel.

      The other 25% though, the people actually walking the streets of Iraq, are one hundred to two hundred times as likely to die, at any given moment, as someone walking the streets of Chicago. They are, if you will, 'making up the difference'.

      It's even worse when you realize they're wearing armor, so while you're comparing the 'deaths', what you should actually be comparing is the shootings. If the same amount of people actually got shot in the same way in both places, a lot more Chicagoans would die due to lack of body armor, but that doesn't make Chicago 'more dangerous', it makes failing to wear body armor 'more dangerous'.

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    33. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      I'll see your Boston Massacre and raise you the Kent State shootings and the Civil War. The Confederates couldn't stand up to Uncle Sam, and they had a frikkin army.

    34. Re:Gun Control by Javit · · Score: 1

      Not my assertions, but glad I could be of help.

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    35. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Not my assertions

      Yes they were, since they sure didn't come from the Wiki page you linked to.

    36. Re:Gun Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCOTUS Judges do not for the most part follow the will of the President who appointed them. Many of Bush's defeats came at the hands of the very own SCOTUS judges he appointed.

    37. Re:Gun Control by Javit · · Score: 1

      They didn't, did they? Hmm. The Wikipedia page *I* linked to.

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    38. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That's right, I forget you were lazy. Sorry, my bad. Let's try that again:

      Yes they were your assertions, since they sure didn't come from the Wiki page you referred to.

    39. Re:Gun Control by Javit · · Score: 1

      Read between the lines. I'm pointing out your absurd claim that I made bendodge's assertions my own by linking to a document that, as you have indicated, refutes them. You're nuts, I was trying to be helpful to you without getting in anyone's face or imposing my own views.

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    40. Re:Gun Control by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      The President will have power to appoint new SCOTUS justices if the need arises, and an Obama court would be very likely to overturn or confine Heller.

      FYI Obama supports a total handgun ban, 500% increase on firearms and ammunition taxes....

      You know, Obama's not the only person who favors a heavy tax on ammunition:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE

    41. Re:Gun Control by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You have a curious way of being helpful. Replying to a "Citation needed" with a reference to a wiki on "political positions of Barack Obama" would seem to imply that the wiki backs up the assertions. As my father says to my mother: "sorry, next time I'll try to read your mind more clearly." :)

    42. Re:Gun Control by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Although you seem to have missed my point, those events are about as relevant to disproving my point as is the Irish Potato Famine.

      Ironically, the Kent State shootings did serve as a type of rallying cry for the causes of civil reform. In that way, it was very like the Boston Massacre. And oddly enough, had the cause of the South been more Just, they might have had more support. It isn't about who has a bigger gun.

      My point, is that you don't have (Nor should you want) a violent overthrow of the government to justify the Right to bear arms.

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    43. Re:Gun Control by TheIzzy · · Score: 1

      My point was merely that the if the OP doesn't want his neighbors to have guns, he should settle it at the local level, not the federal one.

    44. Re:Gun Control by bendodge · · Score: 1
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  13. Ask all you want, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but the only real, honest answer you'll ever receive from ANY politician will be while he's at gunpoint. Can we make it a job requirement that their genitalia be wired up to electrodes for the entirety of their political career?

  14. A question of change... by SoapBox17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Change has had a major spotlight in this campaign, and I think it is obvious everyone in the country is hungry for "change" in politics. What, specifically, will you do to bring noticeable, positive change to the office of the President of the United States of America?

    1. Re:A question of change... by conlaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, speaking of change, what plans does each of you have to return to the American people, those portions of the Bill of Rights that have been systematically abrogated during the past 8 years?

  15. How would you break the deadlock by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How would you help break the deadlock on the Get Up/Get Down issue?

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    1. Re:How would you break the deadlock by Loko+Draucarn · · Score: 1

      It is well known that Getting Up is a prerequisite condition for Getting Down; we as Americans must be willing to move it all around.

      Thank you, and I yield the floor to my woman.

  16. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by philspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When did yelling "bias" become the automatic first move for you guys? All news channels except Fox News, all newspapers except the wall street journal (and then sometimes), education at all levels, educated people, any author, republicans who disagree with the administration, people with above average intelligence, blue states, slashdot, Reddit...

    Or is it maybe not intentional? You're so far right that everything looks left?

  17. In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the long term, since FDR, the country has moved in the direction of socialism.
    At what point should this drift be made explicit via Constitutional Amendment,
    to shut up the cranks like me
    who think that Social Security is a 10th Amendment violation?

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    1. Re:In the long term by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      Is this a haiku?

    2. Re:In the long term by mike2R · · Score: 1

      Too many syllables, not enough meaning.

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    3. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Meaning may elude.
      What cannot be misconstrued:
      The tax axe bite, dude.

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    4. Re:In the long term by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      moved in the direction of socialism.

      Yeah, socialism for corporations!

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    5. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      A side effect of the blurring of the public/private sector distinction, indeed.

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    6. Re:In the long term by mqduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You confuse me greatly. Since the New Deal, we've steadily gone closer and closer to free, unrestrained capitalism (you should check out the stock market these days). Social services have been only declining ever sense. Some of the greatest cuts happened under Clinton. Even if I concede the idea that socialism means social services, your view of the direction of America in the past 70 or so years doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

      Maybe you think socialism means "nanny state". If so, please find a better term and stop embarrassing yourself.

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    7. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm speaking of Federal programs that appear to violate

      Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People.
      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

      It strikes me that adherence to this would obviate a substantial chunk of the problems besetting the polity.

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    8. Re:In the long term by mqduck · · Score: 1

      That's one of the key features of fascism, blurring of the difference between the state and the ruling class inside of a capitalist economy.

      The characterization of it being socialism for corporations is not far off. It's against the nature of capitalism, but history has shown us that it happens sometimes. Why is another matter.

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      Property is theft.
    9. Re:In the long term by mqduck · · Score: 1

      But the only thing I was addressing was your (mis)use of the word "socialism".

      Your point about the 10th amendment being used as toilet paper is a legitimate one, but I don't support anything just because it's part of the holy constitution. I think it detracts us from the question, "what should be done"?

      --
      Property is theft.
    10. Re:In the long term by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      Article I, Section 8.

      Social Security is a textbook example of spending for the "general welfare" of the people of the United States.

      Where, exactly, is the Amend. X violation?

    11. Re:In the long term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think a politician is going to say anything that could be implied as a veiled reference that social security might be cut, You're crazy as you are ignorant of the constitution

    12. Re:In the long term by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      I'm speaking of Federal programs that appear to violate Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People.

      Promote the General Welfare. It's in the Constitution. Twice. And if you go by the old saw of "promote not provide", Article I Section 8 uses the word "provide".

      So then you might insist that the "general welfare" part of Article I, Section 8 only applies to the enumerated powers in that section. The problem is that would apply equally to "common defense". So if Social Security is unconstitutional, so are:

      • the United States Air Force (since it's not an army nor a navy)
      • the CIA
      • the NSA
      • any other intelligence agency not attached to the army or navy
      • NORAD
      • our ICBM's
      • U.S. Customs
      • the Department of Homeland Security

      But for some reason I've never heard of a single conservative complain about any of these, with the exception of DHS. It's almost as if they're picking and choosing when to complain about supposed 10th Amendment violations, like Evangelical hacks rant about homosexuality but not adultery from Republicans nor usurious rates from Countrywide. Huh, interesting.

    13. Re:In the long term by mqduck · · Score: 1

      I've got a better idea. How about we stop arguing over whose interpretation of the Constitution, and whose interpretation of the Bible, and whose interpretation of God and the State is best, and just discuss whose *ideas* are best?

      How about we spend our time as rational human beings instead of parroting parrots?

      I've taken on a new saying:
      Human: An animal so lost in loathing contemplation of what it thinks it is as to overlook what it to be.

      --
      Property is theft.
    14. Re:In the long term by bratgitarre · · Score: 1

      I'm speaking of Federal programs that appear to violate

      Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

      It strikes me that adherence to this would obviate a substantial chunk of the problems besetting the polity.

      But wouldn't this just shift the debates over abortion, gun control, gay marriage, and all those other wedge issues to the states?

    15. Re:In the long term by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Amendment 10 does not supercede Article 1 section 8 clause 18. Necessary and proper.

      It's an out for federalists and you know it. The constitution wasn't formed by a group of people who walked in lock step and it's full of holes and inconsistencies(so I guess our constitution IS biblically based afterall)

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    16. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      This point is interesting but tangential to taking the constitutional approach to removing temptation from the bums of DC.

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    17. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      As the problem appears related to excessive concentration of power in DC, it would seem that relieving DC of some of that power would be a great start.
      Your point about privileging the constitution as some religious document is well-taken: consider the wart that is the 3/5 compromise.
      Nevertheless, the 10th Amendment argument has the virtue of being short, historical, and rather clearly intended to preclude the current mess.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    18. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Sure. All of these ideas are subject to review.
      The question of defense is clearly laid out in the constitution.
      The states do have their own National Guard units for Army and Air Force. Curiously, Navies are not supported at the state level, either due to maintenance costs or lack of coasts.
      The military is a national-level defense asset.
      The goodness of national-level social welfare assets is the question I'm raising.
      Let the states manage them, say I, or at least give me an opt-out.
      I want the Fed borking my retirement
      as much as I want them borking my housing
      as much as I want them borking my health care.
      Again, let all of the ideas be kicked around. Your question is indeed a fair one, as the same patterns of abuse occur in the DoD and the Intelligence Community as elsewhere.
      My contention is that 'elsewhere' is less constitutionally founded that in Defense.

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    19. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see it taken to a higher level of abstraction.
      Ensure we understand the original model of the country, grasp the current model, and then agree on the direction of the future model.
      What I find massively ironic are those who hate US hegemony and root for doom on the one hand, and then seek to increase US federal power on the other.
      If one thinks DC too powerful, why not trim the power?

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    20. Re:In the long term by mqduck · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that an argument as to why a certain law should be delegated to the states is a thousand times better than an argument as to why the constitution demands it.

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      Property is theft.
    21. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Yes. Why is allowing states to sort these matters out for themselves, (with the Constitution as a low common denominator)
      a) a bad thing
      b) not what the Framers intended?
      50 labs to try ideas, and see which dogs hunt, sounds like a splendid plan to me.
      If you think your state capital is ronngg, you vote with your ballot, or you vote with your feet.
      I'm bemused that the simple ideas seem so outlandish to some.

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    22. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      If your logic held true, then crap like

      Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

      would not have been superseded by the 13th and 14th Amendments.
      The essence of the 10th Amendment is to preclude scope creep.
      What we see unfolding today is evidence of massive scope creep.
      Would you agree?

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    23. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      You're right. As long as a single General has his or her welfare improved, anything can be rationalized.
      What then would you say is the meaning of the 10th Amendment? Does it mean anything at all? Should we just make a marginal note: "nice try" and get on with life?

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    24. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Of course we're not going to cut Social Security.
      We're going to ride that frickin' horse right into the useless ground.
      It's like watching a poorly managed software project kill itself, on a larger, uglier scale.
      Great responses in this thread, though.
      Bread and circuses to you all!
      Cheers!

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    25. Re:In the long term by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      I've got a better idea. How about we stop arguing over whose interpretation of the Constitution, and whose interpretation of the Bible, and whose interpretation of God and the State is best, and just discuss whose *ideas* are best?

      But to do that, you have to get the wingnuts and the Libertarians past their selective reading of the Constitution and views on government power. Which was the whole point of my replay to the parent.

    26. Re:In the long term by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Sure. All of these ideas are subject to review.

      Yes, interesting how fast we go from "unconstitutional" to "subject to review".

      The states do have their own National Guard units for Army and Air Force.\

      They sure can. The point is that Congress is limited to funding armies or navies - not separate intelligence agencies nor an air force. Oh, and I forgot one: spy satellites. Of course you can say that the founding fathers would have included an air force, spy satellites and NORAD if they could have conceived of them, but with a strict interpretation of Article 1, Section 8 that's too damned bad.

      Let the states manage them, say I, or at least give me an opt-out.

      Because some states wont do it. States rights are great for stopping things like Real ID, not so great for worker safety or civil rights.

      I want the Fed borking my retirement

      Social Security is the best name for any government program, ever. It's to provide security to our society - so we don't have food riots or people starving in the streets when the economy takes a dive. It's to preserve capitalism and democracy - during the Great Depression we could have fallen into communism or fascism.

      as much as I want them borking my health care

      Yes, because opposing better care for less money makes so much sense.

      The reason you want social programs, even if you're the biggest elitist on the planet, is because they help form the basis for our economy: the middle class. It helps those below it, reach it. It helps people get back in if they fall out. It creates actual social mobility. And a larger, more affluent middle class means more customers for whatever line of business you are in or invested in. This is why the rich do as well under Democratic presidents as Republican presidents, even if they pay more taxes, because Democrats grow the whole economy, not just siphon all it's benefits to the top. However, the middle class does twice as well under Democrats and the poor do six times as well as under Republicans.

      Or as that old bumper sticker says: everyone does better when everyone does better.

    27. Re:In the long term by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      But wouldn't this just shift the debates over abortion, gun control, gay marriage, and all those other wedge issues to the states?

      You're right, this is a terrible idea! How would we EVER be able to elect federal officials without abortion, gun control, gay marriage and so on? We might actually be asked to determine who is actually capable of running the country, as opposed to voting for them based on a single pet issue, then crying and sobbing when the officials' other issues that we overlooked tackle us hard.

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    28. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Yes, interesting how fast we go from "unconstitutional" to "subject to review".

      Hmm. And how did my initial interrogative begin? Let's see:
      At what point should this drift be made explicit via Constitutional Amendment,
      so, where is your argument, sir?

      Because some states wont do it. States rights are great for stopping things like Real ID, not so great for worker safety or civil rights.

      Why, because the states have punted in favor of the fed? Please explore the origins of this purported impotence.

      Social Security is the best name for any government program, ever. It's to provide security to our society - so we don't have food riots or people starving in the streets when the economy takes a dive.

      Well, if your commitment is a religious one, then there really isn't need for dialogue, modulo the connection of my wallet to one end of the conversation.

      Yes, because opposing better care for less money makes so much sense.

      Better for whom, at what unintended consequence, sir?

      Returning to my original argument, the level of contention, and risk of frobnication from the likes of Representative Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd is such that getting the idea fully vetted as a Constitutional Amendment, to ensure full debate and put the concept past bitching by the likes of me, is well worth considering.
      I feel the idea of federally managed social programs is shown sub-optimal by a survey of history.
      More federal programs appear to be throwing good money after bad.
      Thus, I'd like to see the ante upped for going any further with it.
      Maybe there should be a rider saying that criticism of these social programs are not covered by the First Amendment, so that anyone daring to question them can be locked up, as well.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    29. Re:In the long term by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      No. As an absolutist opinion that I find most people take with the 10th Amendment is not necessarily right. Like i said, it's an out for anti-federalists and neither interpretation of the constitution is necessarily "Correct" due to the dynamic nature of the constitutional convention.

      I find that the problem with Government isn't scope creep per-se but the complete lack of talent or ability of the administration over the last... 8 years or so.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    30. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      To continue my point, if the "general welfare" was sufficiently elastic, why a 16th Amendment to formalize income tax? Mine is a common-sense, what-the-ahem-does-it-say reading.
      Not unlike that of the Heller decision.
      Seems we're at about point six on the Tytler progression, overall.

      I find that the problem with Government isn't scope creep per-se but the complete lack of talent or ability of the administration over the last... 8 years or so.

      Best anti-W troll I've seen in a while. Bravo.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    31. Re:In the long term by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      It's a fairly basic truism that prevents the federal government from commandeering the states to action. It also separates the traditional functions of local government from federal control. Further, there is no prohibition on states or the people delegating that power back to federal programs where it makes sense to do so. Again, this is a case where Social Security comes in--a state-by-state program would not be transferable when you move to Boca.

      You've still not answered the question, but by now the reason is clear.

    32. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      It's a fairly basic truism that prevents the federal government from commandeering the states to action.

      That would be the 16th Amendment. The Fed just taxes to have its way.

      It also separates the traditional functions of local government from federal control.

      For whatever moving target values of 'traditional' that feel good at the moment.

      Further, there is no prohibition on states or the people delegating that power back to federal programs where it makes sense to do so.

      Yep, that's true, especially if the concept of a chain of command is non-existent.

      Again, this is a case where Social Security comes in--a state-by-state program would not be transferable when you move to Boca.

      Ah, so here is a straw to grasp.
      Because some choose to move, all must pay so that the whole country is essentially a single state. No other solutions possible.

      You've still not answered the question, but by now the reason is clear.

      The answer is that the Fed preyed upon fear, caused in part by its own mismanagement, to expand its business model and short-circuit the constitution. Amendment 10 seems a common-sense measure to preclude both entitlement nonsense, and this sub-prime meltdown as well.
      Rather like a crappy software project writ large.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    33. Re:In the long term by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      That would be the 16th Amendment. The Fed just taxes to have its way.

      No, the anti-commandeering clause is in Amend. X. It has been litigated since long before there was an Amend. XVI.

      Amend. XVI, furthermore, is a change in the method of raising the taxes to fund Article I spending, and has no substantive impact on what the taxes are raised for.

      For whatever moving target values of 'traditional' that feel good at the moment.

      No. It's a well-crafted set of functions, primarily those enacted through municipal operations and internal commerce.

      Because some choose to move, all must pay so that the whole country is essentially a single state.

      Horseshit. Because it is a program for the general welfare, it is implemented federally through an executive agency, directly under the Article I umbrella permitting it.

      Amendment 10 seems a common-sense measure to preclude both entitlement nonsense, and this sub-prime meltdown as well.

      Where? The "sub-prime meltdown" is a result of the lack of federal regulation. Entitlement spending is by definition federal, and always has been. It's non-discretionary application of Congressional mandate, expressed with the passage of overwhelming popular support. I ask again, where was the amendment violated? How is Social Security not an Article I power? What is general welfare, if not health, safety, and maintenance of basic human dignity? This is precisely the reason that clause exists. I don't see any state turning down the money in favor of its own solution.

      There's crotchety and there's ignorant, and you're the latter.

    34. Re:In the long term by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Amend. XVI, furthermore, is a change in the method of raising the taxes to fund Article I spending, and has no substantive impact on what the taxes are raised for.

      I couldn't agree with you less. Pandora's box, once opened, has made societal tinkering the favorite pastime of DC. The electrical circuit, if you will, is short-circuited, and issues that have little federal bearing now absorb significant federal time.

      Because it is a program for the general welfare, it is implemented federally through an executive agency, directly under the Article I umbrella permitting it.

      Then just what is the point of the tenth amendment, sir? If _everything_ is general welfare, was it simply a joke?

      Where? The "sub-prime meltdown" is a result of the lack of federal regulation.

      It was the federal government operating in an area where it very arguably had no business of any sort. Look at these lying lips in motion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
      Truly, P.J. O'Rourke has the right of it:
      "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

      I ask again, where was the amendment violated? How is Social Security not an Article I power? What is general welfare, if not health, safety, and maintenance of basic human dignity?

      My contention is that the chain of command has been violated, and a state-level authority has been usurped by the Fed.
      While I cannot deny the existence of your "general welfare" argument, my point is that somebody a couple hundred years back foresaw the disasters that would follow an overly broad interpretation of that, and put Amendment 10 in place to curb the scope creep of the Fed, lest DC turn into the tyrannical sort of place that London had been.
      Now, the rolling disaster that has been Fannie/Freddie has occured, and we've seen the House of Representatives look a godforsaken circus, and the real doom is just a few years out:
      http://perotcharts.com/category/challenges-charts/page/14

      I don't see any state turning down the money in favor of its own solution.

      And why might that be? Have you looked at this post?
      http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/supercycle Now, I may be an ignorant redneck, but I'm bettin' that the printin' press we got spewin' money could run out o' ink on o' these days.
      Seriously, though, should not the budget balance, and the money originate in the states, and the states manage their own populations?
      I'm guessing in advance that you would find this an oversimplification.
      At any rate, I thank you for a more serious debate on the matter than I typically enjoy.
      Here are a couple of humorous links in an otherwise humorless period:
      http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=3130
      http://www.buymyshitpile.com/

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  18. Evolution/Creationism by pumpkinpuss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you support the inclusion of creationism alongside evolution in high school curricula? If so, how can you justify teaching a science class with creationism's Christian slant? Also, how can you justify the potential unequal representation of Christianity's story when compared to creation stories told by other major religions?

    1. Re:Evolution/Creationism by Falstius · · Score: 1

      More importantly, how can you justify introducing something that is provably not science into a science class just to appease some people's religion?

      Belief in creationism is my one wedge issue. If someone believes creationism belongs in a science class, they're either ignorant of basic science, or intellectually dishonest. Either way, they aren't qualified to be president.

    2. Re:Evolution/Creationism by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      Isn't this whole thing sad? The Scopes Monkey trial was over 80 years ago, and we're still dealing with this crap today.

  19. Political Philosopys by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    We've seen and heard the repetition of your various slogans ad nauseum. They truly are brilliantly composed as they manage to be both bland and offensive while informing the population of nothing. Its campaigning via emotion about nothing. I truly hoped that Sen Obama and Sen McCain would gain the nominations of their respective parties as I thought they would institute a more substantial election on the issues themselves. That hope has been thoroughly extinguished. Democracies are dependent on the vote of an educated voter.

    So my question is this: What would you do as president to help the average citizen make a more informed vote?

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    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  20. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Everyone+Is+Seth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hear, hear! It always annoys me when my choice of candidate doesn't get the bias he deserves. I am a registered [pointless political affiliation], and I will of course be voting for [same recycled trash seen every four years]. I mindlessly eat whatever my comrades feed me and stand on that as my own principles. Without divisiveness, what else could we devote our time to in this great country? Science, education? Why? The TV contains all knowledge! Thank [Object/deity I worship] that they put the little letter beside the name. Otherwise, I would collapse in the voting booth from actually applying my brain.

  21. Copyright by jx100 · · Score: 1

    What will you do to change the balance of copyright to be more in favor of the average citizen and less in favor of the large media companies? Will you work to overturn the DMCA and the PRO-IP acts (and other, similar legislation)?

  22. Use of Military (and thereby tax dollars) by Hettch · · Score: 1

    In your time as President of the US, will the US military presence be increased and expanded globally or will expect to see a decrease in deployed armed forces?

  23. Government Spending by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    The two of you, like almost every presidential candidate I can recall, vow to curb government spending. Please list some of the cuts you would make, and what percentage of the budget would be saved by their elimination or reduction.

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    1. Re:Government Spending by slashgrim · · Score: 1
      Removing billions in spending, weaseled into unrelated bills, would quickly cut about 2% of the Federal budget: Earmarks.

      Now they just have to figure a way to curb the other 98%.

    2. Re:Government Spending by Falstius · · Score: 1

      I like bears, I don't want them to go extinct. In the long run, a few million dollars to research bears is chump change. And who else is going to fund this research, private industry?

    3. Re:Government Spending by bratgitarre · · Score: 1

      The two of you, like almost every presidential candidate I can recall, vow to curb government spending. Please list some of the cuts you would make, and what percentage of the budget would be saved by their elimination or reduction.

      Jim Lehrer kind of asked this:

      LEHRER: All right. All right, speaking of things that both of you want, another lead question, and it has to do with the rescue -- the financial rescue thing that we started -- started asking about. And what -- and the first answer is to you, Senator Obama. As president, as a result of whatever financial rescue plan comes about and the billion, $700 billion, whatever it is it's going to cost, what are you going to have to give up, in terms of the priorities that you would bring as president of the United States, as a result of having to pay for the financial rescue plan?

    4. Re:Government Spending by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Earmarking, despite everyone using it this way, does not mean 'spending inserted into unrelated bills'.

      Earmarking is when the legislature get very explicit about funding. For example, instead of just allocating X billion for FBI counterterrorism, it allocates that, and it also goes ahead and allocates 40 million for an FBI counterterrorism building in Atlanta Georgia.

      It can be in an unrelated bill, or it can be in the actual real budget.

      When you hear 'earmark', think 'micromanage'. And it's usually, but not always, to micromanage the location to force spending of money somewhere.

      There's nothing inherently wrong with it when it's something that would be needed anyway. If it's something the executive would build anyway, and you just made them do it at X instead of Y...well, someone had to pick the location, and doesn't really matter who.

      The problem is when it's something that the executive branch would, logically, decide not to do. Like the infamous 'Bridge to Nowhere', which no local Department of Transportation would build, and the Federal Highway Administration would not help with, unless ordered to do so.

      But, anyway, back to the point, something like half of all earmarks are things that would be needed anyway, so in actuality 'getting rid' of them wouldn't even help as much as the trivial 2% people keep pointing out.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
  24. For both. by DragonTHC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For both candidates:
    In the past 10 years, the Internet has brought consumers more options than ever for communication and entertainment. Our current laws regarding copyright and intellectual property don't adequately describe or encompass intangible digital content which can be infinitely copied with out impacting originals. Do you support the massive entertainment lobby in effecting legilsation that promotes the erosion of consumer rights and choices of a free market or do you believe that the market itself should decide which business models are successful?

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    They're using their grammar skills there.
    1. Re:For both. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the question we should ask. This is slashdot, we are all here because of our relation to IT & technology. Our question should be something that speaks for our community. Copyright seems to be the subject that always gets everyone up in arms every time it pops up. Who knows how far the entertainment lobby will have pushed things in another four years. Who knows how developed the 'pirates' will be in another four years? Are we headed towards filtering and censorship and underground networks or towards a free flow of 1's and 0's for the benefit of mankind?

      I support DragonTHC's question wholeheartedly.

  25. Two Parties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you believe that the two party system is good for the American people?

  26. Net Neutrality by moniker127 · · Score: 1

    Do you support net neutrality, and if so, what are your plans to ensure that the internet remains neutral?

  27. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am conservative and even I am irritated at those two posts. If they are not intended to be trolls, they shouldn't feel the need to post anonymously.

  28. Why don't y'all just fuck off by crush · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And clear the way for Ralph Nader?

    On second thoughts, don't bother answering, just fuck off.

    1. Re:Why don't y'all just fuck off by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      The debates are a farce. The U.S. political system is a farce. Dems? Farce. GOP? Farce.

      The answer is clear. Of our two current choices, none are good. We must find another choice.

      When Nader speaks, I hear him telling the truth, at least as he sees it. That makes him the only candidate worth of election.

      I don't agree with everything he says; he's too liberal. On the other hand, our nation needs a good hard shove in the liberal direction right about now.

      Nader is the right person for the job.

    2. Re:Why don't y'all just fuck off by crush · · Score: 1

      Frankly I'd take just about anyone rather than the current two frontrunners. I'd be ecstatically happy if Bob Barr or Ralph Nader were elected. For me Nader isn't quite liberal enough but I'm willing to hold my nose and vote for him. At the very least I'm not going to fall into the tired trap of being triangulated ever further to the right by candidates running essentially identical platforms who don't even come within a stone's throw of representing me.

    3. Re:Why don't y'all just fuck off by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      The debates are a farce. The U.S. political system is a farce. Dems? Farce. GOP? Farce.

      The answer is clear. Of our two current choices, none are good. We must find another choice.

      When Nader speaks, I hear him telling the truth, at least as he sees it. That makes him the only candidate worth of election.

      The idea that the electorate of the US (1/3rd of whom are Obama fans, 1/3rd of whom are McCain fans, and 1/3rd of whom are clueless) is going to wake up some time in the next 40 days and decide to coalesce around Ralph Nader? Farce.

      Seriously, as much as you may like Ralph Nader, it just isn't going to happen in 2008. That ship has sailed.

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    4. Re:Why don't y'all just fuck off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me Nader isn't quite liberal enough but I'm willing to hold my nose and vote for him.

      Brian Moore?

    5. Re:Why don't y'all just fuck off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >1/3rd of whom are Obama fans, 1/3rd of whom are McCain fans, and 1/3rd of whom are clueless

      1/3rd of whom are Obama fans, 1/3rd of whom are McCain fans,1/3rd of whom are neither, and nearly all of whom are clueless.

      There, fixed that for you.

  29. MOD parent up, damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't we be a little more lenient concerning flamebait concerning this story?

  30. question: by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where is the congressional accountability for the subprime loan mess? The Bush administration, as well as democratic members of congress, pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to make more loans to poor people, inner city hispanics, african americans, etc. Not surprisingly, they defaulted (maybe that's why they weren't given loans in the first place?) and everyone is suffering as a result.

    All I hear is complaints about greedy wallstreet types. What about the people who signed up for loans they couldn't afford? What about the congress that ignore Allan Greenspan's 2005 testimony that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were a serious problem? What about the congress that didn't believe poor credit meant an increased risk in defaulting on a loan?

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    1. Re:question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      loans to poor people, inner city hispanics, african americans, etc. Not surprisingly, they defaulted

      I'll bite: Granted, you have a solid point with regards to giving loans to poor people, but can you please clarify how it is "not suprising" that african americans and hispanics living in the city are going to magicially automatically default on their loans?

    2. Re:question: by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Informative

      sorry, the emphasis isn't on race, but on income and ability to repay loans. Fannie, Freddy, and other lenders were threatened with lawsuits and congressional complaints for not approving (subprime) loans in ghetto/slum areas. Maybe they didn't approve the loans because they are racist. Maybe they didn't approve the loans because they were a bad business decision.

      From a George Bush 2002 speech:

      More and more people own their homes in America today. Two-thirds of all Americans own their homes. Yet we have a problem here in America 'cause fewer than half of the hispanics and half of the African Americans own their home. That's a home ownership gap, a gap that we've got to work together to close. And by the end of this decade, we'll increase the number of minority home owners by at least five and a half million families.

      (applause)

      And of course, one of the larger obstacles to minority ownership is financing. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have committed to provide more money for lenders, they've committed to meet the shortage of capital available for minority homebuyers. Freddie Mac recently began twenty-five initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for home ownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving families who have bad credit histories to qualify for home ownership loans. You don't have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. You put your mind to it, these first-time home buyers, or low income home buyer, can have just as nice a house as anybody else.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    3. Re:question: by Falstius · · Score: 2, Informative

      It wasn't the loans to poor people that caused the credit crisis. It was the over inflation of the market due to corrupt lending practices spurned by the need to find new ways to invest the vast capital of china and oil exporting nations and keep wall street profits growing, the failure of risk analysts to properly rate these loans, and a lack of regulation on how much real assets a company needed to insure other peoples debts (credit default swaps).

    4. Re:question: by bratgitarre · · Score: 1

      Where is the congressional accountability for the subprime loan mess?

      Accountability is so 20th century... terrorism blahblah jihadists blahblahblah enhanced interrogation methods blahblah security or liberty blahblah...

    5. Re:question: by gr8scot · · Score: 1

      What about the people who signed up for loans they couldn't afford?

      It is the professional duty of loan officers to approve lending that the borrower has the earning power to repay. Write your Congress person and demand that any "bailout" be paid directly to mortgage borrowers, and only for repayment of loans for their primary residence. One man, one vote, no more than one bailed out mortgage. Let the mortgage companies suffer the deflation of the housing bubble they created with their overabundant credit approvals. That is real laissez-faire capitalism, which the wealthiest 1% always whines that it wants. Let them learn that they need regulation as much as the rest of us need regulation, which is really just monied looters' pejorative term for the rule of law, when such is inconvenient to them.

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    6. Re:question: by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
      Here's the thing, in some places dead people were signing up for loans.

      My guess is they rose from their graves, took pen in hand, signed up for the loans and then returned to their crypts. Of course, it could just be that the people who thought Boiler Room was a training tape were crooked as all Hell.

      People with senile dementia were talked into changing 30 year fixed rate mortgages with low monthly payments into the more exiting and "fun" Adjustible Rate Mortgages. The hard sell was king, think Glengarry, Glen Ross .

      Here's a quote from the article linked above:

      Allegation

      1. Handed out copies of the movie Boiler Room as a training tape

      2. Partnered to sell its PayOption Arms with a brokerage owned by a five-time felon, whose convictions included gun-related charges

      3. Forbade loan officers to check borrower income on certain loans

      4. Ran an "art department" in its Tampa office, where documents were altered

      5. Settled allegations of institutionalized marketing deception that covered two million customers

      6. Developed "FastQual," a program designed to approve borrowers in twelve seconds

      7. Incentivized brokers and loan officers through "yield spread premiums" and other compensation schemes to put borrowers into more expensive loans

      8. Tapped two kegs of beer at weekly staff meetings

      Institution

      A. Citigroup

      B. Countrywide

      C. Ameriquest

      D. IndyMac

      E. Merit Financial

      F. New Century

      G. All of the above

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    7. Re:question: by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      God, you guys are desperately trying to pine this on the GSEs, aren't you?

      First of all, Fannie and Freddie DON'T MAKE LOANS, you inbred hick. They buy conforming loans from banks and repackages them with a guarantee that they will pay off if the loan does not.

      And, just as important, they DON'T BUY SUBPRIME LOANS. By definition. A subprime loan is one rated B, and prime loan is one rated A.

      And the GSEs only bought prime loans. That is all they were allowed to buy, that is all they bought. They can only buy 'conforming' loans, and the major requirement for that is they 'prime'. (And there are some other rules which can make 'prime' loans be non-conforming, like it being too large, but nothing that could make a subprime be conforming.)

      Moreover, we're having a crisis because the banks still own the subprime loans which they chopped up and put into 'securities' which they then promised to pay off, (And purchased insurance to pay off, which the insurance companies couldn't actually cover.).

      That could hardly be true if Fannie and Freddie had purchased these loans from the banks, now could it? It would be Fannie and Freddie on the hook, and, in case you weren't paying attention, the Federal government already guaranteed to cover any shortfall they had.

      I swear, all you morons are reading off the same talking points, one that forgot to mention what 'subprime' loans actually are or what Fannie and Freddie actually do.

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  31. Promoting Science/Engineering by jb68321 · · Score: 1

    -What measures would you support on the state and/or federal level to enhance K-12 science, math, & engineering-geared education?
    -Given that recently, the government stopped subsidizing student loans for graduate students... How would your administration help encourage research & continued education in colleges/universities (undergrad AND grad school)?
    -Would your research initiatives refuse funding for programs such as stem-cell research that some religious groups find immoral?

    And by the way: Don't think it's just minorities getting those need-based loans... my family & I paid for every bit of my engineering education via subsidized student loans + unsubsidized parent loans. There's no other way to pay for >$100k in 4 years.

  32. My question is... by Daswolfen · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ... that for a party that is supposed to be the party of acceptance and tolerance, why does most of the hate and vitriol come from the left view point?

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    1. Re:My question is... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      ...hate and vitriol come from the left view point?

      I'm sure they don't see themselves that way.

    2. Re:My question is... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      That's totally an honest question! I'm sure Sen. Obama will certainly agree with your premise and provide a straightforward answer?

      So have you stopped beating your wife yet?

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    3. Re:My question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So have you stopped beating your wife yet?

      This is Slashdot. The proper question is: "So, have you stopped spanking your monkey yet?"

    4. Re:My question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. as soon as he checks the polls to see which way the wind is blowing, gets his speechwriter to write an ambiguous answer that can be interpreted in either direction while attacking the other side and gets the teleprompter set up while the MSM fauns over him as the second coming.

    5. Re:My question is... by Daswolfen · · Score: 1

      So somebody (I'm assuming left) modded me as 'flamebait'? Its an honest question I would like to ask. The left has touted the acceptance and tolerance line for years, and yet, Ill I see are quotes like 'if you don't vote for Obama, you are racist'. Just today, there was an article about the Obama campaign creating a 'Truth Squad' to go after anything they don't agree with. Doesn't sound like acceptance and tolerance to me.

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  33. To both candidates: by pxc · · Score: 1

    What do you intend to do about the apparent econ^H^H^H^H Slashdot political troll crisis, and what specific amendments do you have in mind for the bailout p^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H moderation system?

  34. Faggots by pieisgood · · Score: 1

    What will you do to re-instate the Banking Act of 1933? If at all.

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  35. I'm too old you insensitive clod by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That site limits questions to those 35 or under. I'm wondering if that 35 year cut off is coincidental. (A US President must be 35 or older).

    But anyway, here is the question I would ask

    I have great admiration for the positions and the way of thinking that both of you displayed prior to your running for President. As the campaigns have progressed I have been experiencing growing disgust at the populism of your new positions, whether it be promising tax cuts or supporting protectionism (just two of many examples). So I would support the candidate whom I believe will break most of his campaign promises. Which one of you is that?

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  36. Not a specific question, but by staeiou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm saddened by the initial slate of questions proposed here. Instead of sending rhetorically-charged questions about the hot button issues that will assuredly be addressed in any debate (spending, healthcare, the economy, gun control, abortion, the war/military, outdated ideological labels, and vague issues of credibility, change, responsibility and accountability), why don't we mod up questions about issues that affect the kinds of news stories we see on this site each and every day? I'm talking about issues of copyright, net neutrality, science funding, patents, the FCC, e-voting, space exploration, and open source adoption in governmental agencies.

    1. Re:Not a specific question, but by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      Because they're not hot-button issues and are therefore almost totally irrelevant to the electorate.

      Copyright: Electorate doesn't care.

      Net Neutrality: Electorate couldn't even tell you what that is.

      Science Funding: "Damn scientists, throwing money away!"

      FCC: The Electorate probably couldn't even tell you what FCC stands for and what it regulates.

      E-Voting: Electorate simply doesn't care.

      Space Exploration: Unpopular unless it's phased into some sort of nationalist program; the Electorate things space exploration is boring, expensive, and dangerous.

      Patents: Electorate couldn't tell you even in broadly simple terms how the patent system works; why would they know or care about reforming it?

      Open Source Adoption: The electorate couldn't pick Linus Torvalds out of a crowd, expand the EFF's acronym, or define the GPL. They really don't care.

      In most cases, I bet that the politicians in power don't have a plan for any of those things because it's not necessary. The system works, and the system will make internal incremental changes so that it continues to work. Unless the electorate or lobbyists decide to get up in arms, the politicians are not going to interfere with, say, the FCC, or copyright, or net neutrality, or open-source adoption.

      The only extent to which they will interfere in the rest is to cut budgets for programs that have little, if any, popular support.

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      "It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -Peak Performance
    2. Re:Not a specific question, but by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      I ran out of mod points earlier today, so I can't mod parent up.

      In addition to some of the science issues mentioned, which the candidates may not have specific views on given the technical nature of some of them, would it not be prudent for us as a community to supply questions that ask about science education (new ways of doing it as well as funding) and infrastructure updates/funding that can ensure America stays in the race as an intellectual superpower over the long term?

      Maybe I should just go and submit that as a question...

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    3. Re:Not a specific question, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because on anything that isn't a "wedge" issue, the two candidates are completely identical? On any IP issue, both parties want to expand IP. So that's "stronger" patent laws, "stronger" copyright enforcement, coming from both sides. Both intend to cut spending, which means that space exploration and science funding will be the first to go since most voters won't care.

      Note that net neutrality is a tech "wedge" issue. McCain is against needless regulation and Obama thinks regulation is necessary, but not so necessary as to actually, y'know, propose any.

  37. Flamebait? Really? by mctk · · Score: 1

    Granted it's not the *most* important question to ask them, but boy would it be fun to watch them squirm!

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  38. Congressional Reform by dfranks · · Score: 1

    Do you think that the American public should be satisfied with a Congress with a 20% approval rating? If not, what changes would you propose to create a Congress that works more effectively for the American Public?

    1. Re:Congressional Reform by delong · · Score: 1

      I wish I could moderate a post "dumb."

      Did you think through that question at all?

  39. Election democratization by aylusarn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Senators McCain and Obama;

    Will you demand the inclusion of other candidates in the remaining presidential debates, as the majority of the American public does? Namely, the ones with sufficient ballot presence to win are; Cynthia McKinney (Green), Ralph Nader (Independent), Bob Barr (Libertarian), and Chuck Baldwin (Constitution).

    1. Re:Election democratization by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you just claim that those three candidates have sufficient ballot presence to win? You mean, what, win the election? Because they really don't.

      I suppose, if by that, you mean they technically appear on sufficient state ballots that were they to, through a stunningly miraculous coincidence win the electoral college votes of sufficient states to be declared president, perhaps.

      However, none of those candidates has any chance whatsoever of winning, and I'm not sure allowing them to enter the debate will alleviate that in any way. If I recall correctly, the requirement to enter the debate is 15% of the popular vote prior to it. That seems fair enough, I suppose.

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    2. Re:Election democratization by a+thing(amagigger) · · Score: 1

      They don't have enough support to win because they do not debate the mainstream candidates.

    3. Re:Election democratization by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      I mentioned that in my last paragraph, in which I said "I"m not sure allowing them to enter the debate will alleviate that in any way".

      In any case, the debates are not held until very late in the campaign- in this case, late September and early October when the election is going to be held in November and the 'campaigning' has been going on for at least twelve months.

      The debates are merely the icing on the cake, so to speak. The electorate is probably close to 75-90% spoken for by the time the debates roll around, and changes a very small percentage of those people's minds.

      To have a reasonable presence in the election, by the time debates roll around one must already be well known. An excellent example is Ross Perot, who during some polling periods in June or July of 1992 was receiving almost 40% of the popular vote. His presence in the debate was stated to give his campaign a boost, but he was already very well known by the time of the debates.

      That is the reason why a candidate must have 15% of the popular vote in polling before going into the debates. Because really, the debates are far too late in the campaigning seasons to take somebody like, say, Bob Barr, who's currently polling at between 3-6%, and turn them into a national superstar.

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    4. Re:Election democratization by brainbuz · · Score: 1

      The election and the debate are a sham the media and the two controlling parties have rigged the election so that one of the two parties that created our current crisis will be the winner. I will not be voting for Obama or McCain.

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    5. Re:Election democratization by gambino21 · · Score: 1

      You are obviously correct that it is not likely any thirdparty candidate will win this election. But allowing them to enter the debates is what helps third parties get recognition as a valid alternative. It gives them publicity, spreads their ideas, and can help them grow their party base which is what could help get one of them elected to various positions in the future. The two main parties have done a great job of keeping the majority of the American public completely ignorant about the other parties. If, when watching the debates, you are only concerned about finding out who will be elected then it makes sense to keep the debates closed. If instead you are interested in spreading the best ideas and possibly getting those ideas implemented by whoever is in office, then I think it is better to have maybe the five top parties represented.

    6. Re:Election democratization by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      The election has been rigged - not by the media, not by the two controlling parties, but by the constitution - to ensure that only two parties will remain at the forefront. It is simple mathematics and human nature. Few people are willing to cast a vote which they know will be merely symbolic.

      To change this fact, it will take more than getting more publicity to the other candidates. It will take more than a few people voting for third parties. It requires a change to our voting system, something along the lines of Ranked Pairs or Range Voting, which allows people to express their preferences for less popular candidates without nullifying their impact on the election.

    7. Re:Election democratization by brkello · · Score: 1

      Yes, they will. And since none of them have sufficient ballot presence to win, you won't see them. I know that sounds snarky. But please...be realistic. None of them have even the slightest chance of being the next president, no matter how much you prefer one of them.

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  40. Copyrights terms by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, states:

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

    Currently, copyrights last 50-70 years after the creator's death. How does this advance Science and useful Arts?

  41. FairTax by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Do you support the FairTax? Why or why not?

    1. Re:FairTax by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Do you support the FairTax? Why or why not?

      Neither supports it. There are enough statements about it already. And it's an annoyingly phrased question, because while I support a fair tax system, I most certainly do not support the FairTax(tm) system. A better way of phasing it would be: do you support the repeal of all taxes and the establishment of a national 15% sales tax?

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  42. Voting system by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you plan on making changes to the antiquated voting system, especially its tendency to give minority voters (whether third party or just the unfavoured party in their state) no ability to influence the outcome of an election? Do you think the voting system does or does not have an influence on the feeling of disenfranchisement among voters and the low voter turnouts?

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  43. Long term by Xordan · · Score: 1

    A lot seems to be done for the short term in the USA - either to make quick money or as a stop gap solution to a problem. What I would like to know is what you have planned which will benefit my children and grand-children. What policies do you have which will give a noticeable and lasting change for generations to come?

  44. The Iran Issue by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Iran is the second most vibrant democracy in the Middle East, and the USA's invasion of Iraq has allowed Iran to make a shot at becoming a regional power. How do you plan to broker friendship between Iran, the USA, and Israel?

    1. Re:The Iran Issue by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Iran is the second most vibrant democracy in the Middle East, and the USA's invasion of Iraq has allowed Iran to make a shot at becoming a regional power. How do you plan to broker friendship between Iran, the USA, and Israel?
      You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

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    2. Re:The Iran Issue by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Read this. I did say second most vital democracy in the Middle East, and it's a pretty damn far second. Israel, of course, takes first prize, but everyone knows that.

      And I do know what the word means. The Supreme Leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts, who are themselves elected by the people. Iran's government is a theocratic democracy/republic. There is nothing inherent in democracy/republicanism to make secularism necessary to democracy, it just happens that those cultures which value democracy highly also tend to value secularism highly, ie: our culture here in the West.

      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.

      Love the signature. Sod the hippies.

    3. Re:The Iran Issue by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts, who are themselves elected by the people.
      I don't care about secularism as a prerequisite for democracy. But the Assembly of Experts are no more truly democratic than the president of Iran is
      Members of the assembly are elected from a government-screened list of candidates by direct public vote to eight year terms.
      The govt. screening makes the Iranian democracy about as democratic as the Soviet democracy was.

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    4. Re:The Iran Issue by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

      Calling Iran a democracy is a joke when the theocrats can arbitrarily disqualify any reformist candidates that pose a threat, based on nothing more than an allegation that a candidate lacks a sufficient commitment to Islam. In other words, when they disagree with the rulers.

    5. Re:The Iran Issue by dangitman · · Score: 1

      But the Assembly of Experts are no more truly democratic than the president of Iran is

      How is it different to "electoral college" votes in the US, which decide the Supreme Leader?

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    6. Re:The Iran Issue by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So tell me, where can I go to vote Dennis Kucinich for President of the United States?

    7. Re:The Iran Issue by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Leader of Iran is chosen by the Assembly of Experts, who are themselves elected by the people. ... Members of the assembly are elected from a government-screened list of candidates by direct public vote to eight year terms.

      The govt. screening makes the Iranian democracy about as democratic as the Soviet democracy was.

      I don't know much about Iranian politics. However, based on your quotes, it doesn't sound half bad. I've lost count of the number of messages in this topic complaining about the candidates lack of qualifications. Imagine if we were to elect a panel of experts that in turn elected a qualified president. Should that president fail, then we would vote for a different expert.

      I kind of imagine the electoral college should work this way. However, it doesn't. Rather, you cast your vote for who you think should be president and that vote goes to some, generally unknown, person who says they will vote the same way you do.

      I've also never really agreed with the idea of the popular vote. It turns the election of the head of the executive branch (President) into a popularity contest. Popularity today is based on who looks good in a 30-second television commercial.

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    8. Re:The Iran Issue by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

      The Democratic primary, in which the candidate is chosen in a free election.

    9. Re:The Iran Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Insightful? What the hell has slashdot [userbase] become?

    10. Re:The Iran Issue by Atheose · · Score: 1

      You can write him into the ballot, even if he does not appear on it.

  45. Missile Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senator Obama, in the debate you said you "actually believe we need missile defense" but every speech up until then you promised to cut spending on our best-in-class missile defense system, calling it "unproven." Likewise Biden has consistently voted against Missile Defense systems going back to the Regan era.

    So my question is: besides basic R&D, which is already on-going, how specifically will you support development of Missile Defense?

    1. Re:Missile Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone is curious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP06C37o35Q

      And as for "unproven," defense is only proven when used! Testing can only show that your system can protect from the testers using specific test cases, not from a creative enemy.

    2. Re:Missile Defense by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      It may be best, but it's the 'best' in a very small class. That doesn't say much about it.

      It's one thing to say we need missile defense (in theory), but it's quite another to support this (or any) particular missile defense program...

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      "It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -Peak Performance
  46. Just hypothetically... by SpinyNorman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Who would make the more dangerous president:

    1) A senile "maverick' who thinks a hockey mom would be america's best defense against bin Laben if he himself croaks

    2) A hockey mom who got her first passport last year, and thinks dinosaurs are 6000 years old

  47. Lack of time in Congress by ageoffri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Senators McCain and Obama by your actions in the last year to two years you have demonstrated that campaigning for President of the United States is a full time job. So what is your justification for not resigning your Senate position and allowing another person from your State to devote their full attention to the duties of a Senator?

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  48. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by timothy · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, that's not how it works -- even if I wish that it did.

    This story is categorized in the Slashdot backend as Interviews; the other topics named for it (in order) are Politics / United States / Republican / Democrat. (And there's no way to put topics *next* to each other, or I'd be happy to.) There's honestly no significance to the order (other than the top-level section topic, in this case Interviews) that topic icons appear. It's just an artifact of the way icons are displayed that you see the Democrat icon on top; don't take it for more than what it is.

    Of course, Slashdot's [left-liberal / arch-conservative / phoney-progressive /
    anarcho-libertarian] slant is obvious to anyone with eyes ...

    Cheers,

    timothy

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  49. Corporate Monopolism. by crhylove · · Score: 1

    It's pretty clear that corporate monopolies run everything now, and to the detriment of humanity and all other living things. Which candidate is going to do something so that small business can replace the corporate behemoths that have already destroyed the economy, democracy, ruined freedom of the press, are actively destroying the environment, ruining public health, and also destroying education?

    Is either candidate going to fight against AOL/Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Bertelsmann, and News Corp to get REAL information, news, and education to the public?

    Are you finally going to eliminate the Federal Reserve and go back to the gold standard so we can eliminate inflation and have a vibrant healthy economy, or are you going to allow the large corporate banks to continue to fleece and enslave the populace?

    Are you going to finally allow individuals to broadcast and share information, or is the death grip the FCC has on the airwaves solely for corporate monopolist benefit going to continue?

    Are our elections going to continue to be rigged by Diebold, both major parties, and the corroboration of corporate media, or will American's votes be counted again?

    Why did both candidates pick unqualified pathological liars as running mates instead of Ron Paul, or Dennis Kucinich, or another candidate who might actually represent the will of the people?

    Who killed JFK? It's been 45 years, don't you think the American public have a right to know? /me waits patiently to be modded into oblivion by the corporate drones.

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    1. Re:Corporate Monopolism. by spazdor · · Score: 0

      Ron Paul [...] might actually represent the will of the people

      lol

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    2. Re:Corporate Monopolism. by crhylove · · Score: 1

      There's nothing funny about that. People want an economy without inflation and to restore the Bill of Rights and Constitution. I know I'm feeding the troll here, but seriously. It's not funny.

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    3. Re:Corporate Monopolism. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Are you finally going to eliminate the Federal Reserve and go back to the gold standard so we can eliminate inflation and have a vibrant healthy economy,

      We wouldn't have an economy on the gold standard, you lunatic.

      The M0 money supply, the amount of printed money that exists, is 750 billion. The price of gold is 600 dollars an ounce. Ergo, we'd need 1,250,000,000 ounces of gold to back our current supply.

      Only ~5,056,000,000 ounces of gold have ever been mined, and only about a tenth of that is in bullion. Moveover, we're already holding 6% of that.

      So, in other words, to back our economy in gold, we'd have to buy all existing gold bullion, and then track down and melt into bullion 40% of the gold in the entire world.

      Of course, I can't expect logic from people who think that inflation is a bug, not a feature. FYI, the amount of money we have must at least match the size of the economy, and that means we have to increasing it ahead of the size of economy, and that means we're always going to overguess and get it slightly larger, or underguess and cap the economy for a bit.

      This is a lot better than trying to fit the US economy inside of a few billion dollars.

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    4. Re:Corporate Monopolism. by crhylove · · Score: 1

      Gold could still be used to back currency. It's a ratio after all! The problem is that our current money is just play paper money, backed by nothing, and nobody has any faith in it, and as a result we have rampant inflation and poverty.

      I'm not suggesting we go back to the SAME gold standard as before with current money, CLEARLY that is impossible.

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    5. Re:Corporate Monopolism. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Sigh.

      If the government can just print money, how, exactly, would that differ from the existing setup?

      All you've done is stupidly tie our money to the price of gold, which fluctuates wildly. And, as the price of gold almost always, over times, goes up, would still cause inflation.

      Except this inflation would be random uncontrollable inflation.

      The size of the economy and the purchasing power of the money in the economy are always the same. If we did not keep printing money, as our economy grew, the same amount of money would be able to purchase more and more, aka, massive deflation. Or, alternately, if the money is pinned to some external good like gold, our economy would not grow in the first place.

      No, the amount of money must be kept slightly ahead of the economy so the economy can grow into it, which in turn means slight, constant inflation. Any system that does not allow this will cripple the economy.

      But like I said, people complaining about 'paper money' are a bunch of lunatics who don't understand that 'inflation' is not a failure of the system. Any economy that changes size will have inflation or deflation..it has to have that to change size. It is the job of the government to counteract this change by adding or removing currency.

      Now, you can certainly argue that it's a mistake to put this power in a third party like the Federal Reserve, and that's actually a valid point. It is not, however, a mistake to operate the economy this way.

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  50. I wouldn't expect a serious answer by jacquesm · · Score: 1

    Given that 'talking points' are very much in fashion and I've yet to see either candidate answer a question in a straightforward and to the point way.

    If they are going to answer questions without resorting to bullshit then this would be mine:

    "What are you going to do to ensure that the two party deadlock will be broken and would you be willing to do that anyway if you knew your party would eventually diminish in power because of this?"

    follow up:

    "Are you willing to swear that you will not break your campaign promises and vacate the office you will be elected to if you do break those promises?"

    It would be a sure way to identify the candidate that would put country before themselves.

    An election should be like a binding contract, instead it is more of a bait-and-switch.

    1. Re:I wouldn't expect a serious answer by ajmilton · · Score: 0

      "Are you willing to swear that you will not break your campaign promises and vacate the office you will be elected to if you do break those promises?"

      hell, i'd be happy with enforcement of the oath of office. forget campaign promises

      An election should be like a binding contract, instead it is more of a bait-and-switch.

      i wonder if there's a list of all the various campaign promises from both sides. we could contact some internet gambling sites and set up odds for how long the new president takes to break 10%/25%/50%/100% of their various campaign promises.

  51. How about ending the Insane War on Some Drugs? by timothy · · Score: 1

    I'm not a fan of either of these guys, or their parties. But I'd be much more interested (and possibly eager to vote for one of them) if McCain (ha!) or Obama (ha!) would say something about ending -- or at least mitigating -- the proudly silly ("zero tolerance") drug policies which result in crowded prisons, a bootlegger's market, intolerance for private property and decisions, and lowered respect for the law.

    So, John, Barry, do either of you even care to address the low-hanging fruit, by lopping off a corner (let's say, for now, growing and / or possessing small amounts of marijuana) of this giant cancer on the country? Or will you just bloviate as usual on the "scourge of drugs" despite the discretionary nature of many aspects of the so-called War on Drugs?

    I'll be waiting for your answer in my fortified bunker ...

    timothy

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    1. Re:How about ending the Insane War on Some Drugs? by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      Yep. Nader is the man for you. He's the only one who's honest enough to say what a waste it is to incarcerate hundreds of thousands of small-time pot dealers.

      That cell space would be better utilized if it were holding all the white-collar criminals who have screwed us out of trillions in the last decade.

    2. Re:How about ending the Insane War on Some Drugs? by timothy · · Score: 1

      "Yep. Nader is the man for you. He's the only one who's honest enough to say what a waste it is to incarcerate hundreds of thousands of small-time pot dealers."

      Well, except for all the [l/L]ibertarians ;)

      timothy

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  52. Electoral College by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Do you feel that the winner-take-all system of the Electoral College is fair to voters, especially minorities?

  53. Russia by Xordan · · Score: 1

    I believe that treating Russia like it's still the USSR is not the way to go about improving world security.

    I see the US provoking Russia in a lot of ways, from building missile defence systems on their doorstep (can Russia build one on Cuba?), to totally ignoring that Georgia starting shelling Russian citizens in South Ossetia *before* Russia entered Georgian territory and treating it like they 'invaded' with no reason.

    So based on that I ask, how will you go about improving relations with countries like Russia? Right now we're doing the opposite of that, so I'd like to see a plan of how to reverse this trend.

    1. Re:Russia by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      (can Russia build one on Cuba?)

      How would a missile defense system on Cuba protect Russia? I don't think many ICBMs aimed at Russia would launch from the Gulf and head south/southeast. Maybe in Canada, if Canada would allow it, but Cuba seems to be a ridiculous place for a defensive system.

    2. Re:Russia by Xordan · · Score: 1

      Well North Korea aren't going to shoot over Russia and Europe are they? :)
      As for the middle east.. could go either way. Most likely to not shoot anything and bring it in via ship in a suitcase, where security is rather lax.

      The point is that the whole system is ridiculous. All it does is make Russia edgy.

    3. Re:Russia by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Well North Korea aren't going to shoot over Russia and Europe are they? :)

      Russian missile defense system... in Cuba... to protect Russia from North Korea? I must be misunderstanding you.

      As for the middle east.. could go either way. Most likely to not shoot anything and bring it in via ship in a suitcase, where security is rather lax.

      The point is that the whole system is ridiculous. All it does is make Russia edgy.

      Again: Missile defense system in Cuba to protect Russia from the Middle East? I'm confused. :-(

    4. Re:Russia by Xordan · · Score: 1

      No no :D

      I mean that the system being put in place in former-Soviet countries (as well of others, but those ones on the border of Russia are the sticky ones) aren't going to be of any help. North Korea would shoot over the Pacific, and probably anything from the Middle East would also shoot that way or wouldn't shoot in the first place. So this provides no real protection.

      My comment about Cuba was to point out how little the US liked Soviet missiles being put on Cuba, yet the US is now putting missiles around Russia - and even if they are for defence they are still seen as a military threat to Russia.

    5. Re:Russia by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Missile defense systems are damn stupid.

      None of the countries with ICBMs are going to use them. The only countries with ICBMs are China and Russia. (And obviously the US.) They are not going to nuke us.

      All missile defense systems do is screw up MAD, which is the reason they won't nuke us and the reason we won't nuke them. I know it sounds stupid, but we don't want to disable MAD, as that means they can disable MAD and we can't complain.

      And, heck, they have a lot more excuse for missile defense than we do. They have to deal with North Korea possibly launching at them, for example. We don't.

      We would be much better off spending that money protecting our ports from having nukes snuck through.

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    6. Re:Russia by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      ...the system being put in place in former-Soviet countries (as well of others, but those ones on the border of Russia are the sticky ones) aren't going to be of any help. North Korea would shoot over the Pacific, and probably anything from the Middle East would also shoot that way or wouldn't shoot in the first place.

      I would bet that we have missile defense systems in Japan, Alaska, and Guam/Hawaii

  54. Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Senator Obama, why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts, insured and invested very conservatively, so that people can actually own the retirement funds they produce, instead of the current system in which workers are robbed to pay current retirees with the remaining surplus being spent by the government?

    Senator Obama, given that Medicare is an even bigger drain than Social Security and will go bust along with it as the Baby Boomers retire, why are you proposing to nationalize the health coverage of the entire country in a style similar to Medicare?

    Senator Obama, wouldn't your proposal to nationalize health coverage simply encourage people and companies to drop their current coverage and pile on to the government plan?

    Senator Obama, would your proposal to nationalize health coverage cover non-citizens and thereby represent an additional incentive for illegal immigration?

    Senator Obama, why are you opposed to Health Savings Account plans, which would protect people from catastrophic illness costs while giving them a monetary incentives to seek treatment early and stay healthier?

    Senator Obama, do you think that soaking the so-called "rich" alone will allow for the funding of your indulgent domestic spending agenda, and what makes you think that you won't be punishing incentive and encouraging the "rich" to work less and even hide more in order to avoid excessive taxation?

    Senator Obama, will you commit to balancing the federal budget?

    Senator Obama, you claim to want to give the "middle class" a tax cut, but at the same time you propose to raise capital gains taxes, the death tax and corporate taxes, among others. Wouldn't your tax scheme harm many small businesses and small investors, indeed much of the "middle class" you claim to want to help?

    Senator Obama, are you familiar with the Laffer Curve?

    Senator Obama, given your radical connections (Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Father Flager) and your past radical Chicago politics, as well as your younger days in which you gravitated to Marxism, why should voters believe you when you claim to be a moderate?

    Senator Obama, will you repudiate the leftist radicals represented by the sites like dailykos?

    Senator Obama, do you support coercing the Israeli government to make more suicidal concessions to its avowed enemies, thereby continuing the failed "Peace Process" initiated under President Bill Clinton?

    Senator Obama, if diplomacy fails with Iran, would you allow the country to produce nuclear weapons?

    Senator Obama, do you find it problematic that you have been endorsed by the Al Qaeda Arab terrorist network?

    Senator Obama, since the surge has worked and has led to the fulfillment of most of the benchmarks set by Congress for its success, is your reluctance to recognize that success based primarily on political expediency?

    Senator Obama, will you ever admit your party's culpability in the Sub-Prime crisis (i.e. Clinton's Community Reinvestment Act; Barney Frank declaring the GSEs sound in 2003; Democrats resisting reform of the GSEs in 2003 and 2005)?

    Senator Obama, what do the terms liberty and freedom mean to you in political and economic contexts?

    Let's see any of these get asked!

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    1. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      Some of them might -- if they are asked by someone who asks one question per post, as requested. :)

    2. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      What is that blue symbol I see next to your UID? Do you work for Slashdot's corporate overlord?

    3. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      Senator Obama, why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts, insured and invested very conservatively, so that people can actually own the retirement funds they produce, instead of the current system in which workers are robbed to pay current retirees with the remaining surplus being spent by the government?

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    4. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Senator Obama, given that Medicare is an even bigger drain than Social Security and will go bust along with it as the Baby Boomers retire, why are you proposing to nationalize the health coverage of the entire country in a style similar to Medicare?

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    5. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Senator Obama, you claim to want to give the "middle class" a tax cut, but at the same time you propose to raise capital gains taxes, the death tax and corporate taxes, among others. Wouldn't your tax scheme harm many small businesses and small investors, indeed much of the "middle class" you claim to want to help?

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    6. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      Senator Obama, since the surge has worked and has led to the fulfillment of most of the benchmarks set by Congress for its success, is your reluctance to recognize that success based primarily on political expediency?

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    7. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      Senator Obama, will you ever admit your party's culpability in the Sub-Prime crisis (i.e. Clinton's Community Reinvestment Act; Barney Frank declaring the GSEs sound in 2003; Democrats resisting reform of the GSEs in 2003 and 2005)?

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    8. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      Senator Obama, do you support coercing the Israeli government to make more suicidal concessions to its avowed enemies, thereby continuing the failed "Peace Process" initiated under President Bill Clinton?

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    9. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Senator Obama, why are you opposed to Health Savings Account plans, which would protect people from catastrophic illness costs while giving them a monetary incentives to seek treatment early and stay healthier?

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    10. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by alerante · · Score: 1

      Basically — the "O" stands for OSTG, which used to be the name of Slashdot's owner SourceForge, Inc. You'll also see "/." next to Slashdot staff usernames.

    11. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by slashqwerty · · Score: 1

      why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts, insured and invested very conservatively

      15% of your salary is barely enough to retire on. If you want a comfortable retirement you should already be investing in a private retirement account called a 401K.

      As to insurance, the only way to get insurance for investments on that scale is through the government. Any other form of insurance would cost more than the expected returns.

      The reality is that people would invest their social security money into a sham company that simply hands the funds over to the person who 'invested'. With no money on hand the company will later cry to the government and ask for a bailout--something you would undoubtedly oppose unless it was you who gambled away his life savings.

    12. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To only say "you must be new here" would not fully express just how stupid your question is.

    13. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Senator Obama, why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts, insured and invested very conservatively, so that people can actually own the retirement funds they produce, instead of the current system in which workers are robbed to pay current retirees with the remaining surplus being spent by the government?

      Mr. Apple Acolyte, are you aware that those who benefit from Social Security have been paying into the system over their lifetime? Are you also aware that the surplus is not merely spent by the government, but rather it is loaned to the government and repaid with interest. Are you also aware that the $2 trillion trust fund has been built up by the baby boomers who will drain it as they retire?

      Senator Obama, do you think that soaking the so-called "rich" alone will allow for the funding of your indulgent domestic spending agenda, and what makes you think that you won't be punishing incentive and encouraging the "rich" to work less and even hide more in order to avoid excessive taxation?

      Mr. Apple Acolyte, are you aware of any evidence that suggests that increased marginal tax rates have a significant effect on incentive to work?

      Senator Obama, are you familiar with the Laffer Curve?

      Mr. Apple Acolyte, are you familiar with the fact that the Laffer curve has both parts with a positive derivative and parts with a negative derivative? Are you aware of any compelling evidence that suggests that tax cuts will increase government revenue?

      Senator Obama, will you repudiate the leftist radicals represented by the sites like dailykos?

      Mr. Apple Acolyte, will you repudiate the rightist radicals who still cite failed ideas such as the Laffer Curve?

      Let's see any of these get asked!

      Let's see any of these get answered!

    14. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Because it's provides better care for less money than the insurance industry. Any other obvious questions?

    15. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1

      Since it has been proven that cutting taxes to the wealthy has increased tax revenue due to the wealthy stimulating the economy with more investments and creating more jobs, how does it benefit anyone to raise the taxes on the wealthy which reduces the tax revenue due to losses of jobs?

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    16. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Because single payer coverage provides better care for less money.

    17. Re:Hard Questions for Senator Obama by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Senator Obama, why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts, insured and invested very conservatively, so that people can actually own the retirement funds they produce,

      'Very conservatively', like in the mortgage-backed securities that various pension funds did?

      Please, pretending it is 1990, state exactly where funds should have been invested in that paid off, every year, for the past two decades, more than social security. (Or at least averaged more than social security and didn't have more than a 2% dip any specific year.)

      Also note if you say 'government bonds' I will bitch-slap you. Government bonds pay more because they cost the government more. We could trivially get the same effect of a higher payout just by raising social security payouts. (And someone's going to have to explain to me how social security can't be afforded by the government, but massive government bonds can be.)

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  55. UN Convention on the Rights of the Child by BungaDunga · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've submitted the following: The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child is a legally binding set of basic rights for minors (http://www.unicef.org/crc/). The only two countries which are not signatories to the CRC are Somalia and the United States. Somalia has not had a functioning government for some time. As President, would you seek the ratification the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child?

    1. Re:UN Convention on the Rights of the Child by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      And I quote.

      Article 2, Section 2, Paragraph 2

      He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

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    2. Re:UN Convention on the Rights of the Child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, there are so many UN thingies that the US is one of only a few non-signatories to... if they haven't cared yet, it'd doubtful they will in the future.

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  56. Question for both. by Sasayaki · · Score: 1

    As an Australian, there's a common feeling in our country (particularly amongst those old enough to remember World War II, but not exclusively) that Australia owes America a great debt for its assistance during that conflict. Specifically, the battle of the Coral Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea).

    Due to this debt, Australian forces have followed United States forces into military action in Korea, Vietnam, and both Gulf Wars. With our forces currently in both Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a growing feeling that we have repaid our debt and, given that the most populous Muslim nation is right outside our doorstep, that we should not further antagonize the Muslim world.

    What action would a McCain/Obama government take in regards to an ally such as Australia ending their commitment to the so-called War on Terrorism?

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  57. McCain, will you go for smaller govt. in taxes? by timothy · · Score: 1

    I'll address this one only to McCain, since Obama's made his confiscatory tendencies clearer:

    Mr. McCain: Would you strongly consider a flat national sales tax proposal (even one with "Fair Tax"-style exceptions and give-backs) as an alternative to payroll taxes and nesting layers of loopholes? If not, please explain your reasoning.

    timothy

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  58. Social Security by Matteo522 · · Score: 1

    As a professional in my mid-twenties, I pay a large portion of my paycheck to social security benefits for an ever-increasing elderly population. While I understand that I have a civic duty to assist those in need, I often wonder if tomorrow's youth and government will be able and willing to help me in forty-some years when I need it. Do you believe that Social Security, in its current form, will be available for my generation, and if not, what specifically do you see wrong with it and how will you address it?

  59. Maybe they can get a 5th grader to debate Palin by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 0, Troll

    If it was a smart 5th grader, Palin would still probably lose, but at least it would be a whole lot more fair and entertaining than the stuff we'll have to watch.

  60. Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would you have done to prevent the economic crash if you you had been President for the last 8 years?

  61. Malignant Melanoma History by Szechuan+Vanilla · · Score: 1

    Senator McCain: how many malignant melanoma lesions have you had removed, what was the thickness and stage of each malignant melanoma lesion you have had (including the biopsy taken in July of this year), and do you have any malignant melanoma now?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanoma

    The last section here is from a May 2008 New York Times; McCain had another biopsy done in July 2008 about which no information has been released. You'd think that if the biopsy were good news, they'd release the data, right? Note that the survival rate for metastatic malignant melanoma is between 9 and 60% over 5 years: if any of McCain's cancer lesions were metastatic, he'd be so sick before he died that during his presidency he'd be useless.

      = = =

    But buried in 1,173 pages of medical records that McCain's campaign released before the conference call was something not previously made public: Two pathologists at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology who examined the melanoma specimen from McCain's left temple in 2000 suggested there were two melanomas on his temple, not one, as his doctors had said publicly at the time.

    McCain's campaign and doctors did not respond Friday to a request for clarification of the Armed Forces pathology report and the classification of the melanoma.

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  62. Third Parties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you both believe in the free marketplace, why does that not apply to political ideas as well?

    If you both love America so much and celebrate its freedoms, why aren't you both willing to allow third parties into debates? Furthermore, why won't you ease up restrictions and groups that actively prevent third party candidates from appearing on ballots?

  63. Correct Answer: by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Obviously that's a loaded question, which is why you recieved your downward moderation. The bible doesn't say that non believers will go to hell. It does say that those that do God's work will, even if they don't know they are doing God's work. A lot of people will pretend to know what the bible says, and some Christians will pull out a single verse out of a book that sounds like what they want it to mean, but very few understand the whole thing. I think that would be an interesting question, just to see the pandering. Its quite Ironic really as there are many situations depicted in the Bible where the Pharisees try to trick Jesus in a similar fashion. I'm guessing the Politicians wouldn't be up to the task of formulating a response that turns the tables.

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    1. Re:Correct Answer: by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhh, read that again, I think you must have made a typo or something.

      The bible doesn't say that non believers will go to hell. It does say that those that do God's work will, even if they don't know they are doing God's work.

      Actually what the Bible says is, based solely on our actions, all of us, including Christians, deserve to go to Hell. We are all sinners, and there is nothing any of us can do to earn our way into Heaven. The punishment for sin is "death": separation from God, and we have all sinned. Sometimes Christians lose sight of this, and act as though they deserve to go to Heaven while the non-Christians around them do not.

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    2. Re:Correct Answer: by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Yeah,thats sort of a typo. The second sentence you quoted was obviously supposed to refer to Heaven. But even then its not 100% correct. You're right its not solely our works, nor solely our faith. Basically Jesus saves who ever He wants. All we can do is respond to him in Faith, Hope, and Love.

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    3. Re:Correct Answer: by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Which brings me to a better faith-related question:

      In light of the complex moral issues we face every day, which do you think is more Christian---nay, more Christ-like---legislating one's own moral values, thus forcing others to conform to them, or allowing others to choose for themselves to believe in and obey that moral code? Put another way, do you believe that moral acts performed only because one is compelled to perform them represent a true path to salvation, or do you believe that it only really counts if a person actively chooses to do good of their own free will?

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    4. Re:Correct Answer: by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The bible doesn't say that non believers will go to hell.

      The bible also doesn't say that the Earth is 6500 years old, but by interpreting certain parts of it a certain way, you can derive that conclusion from it. Most Christians I've come across similarly have come to the conclusion that non-believers will all go to hell, and are quite vocal about this.

      It doesn't really matter what the Bible really says (at least not according to your own, personal interpretation). What matters, when you're talking about Christians as a group, is what most Christians say about their religion. Religion isn't about some absolute truth, or some holy book; it's about a group of people and what they profess as their belief. If people actually knew some absolute truth, or really knew what the Bible said about anything at all, we wouldn't have countless different groups of people calling themselves "Christian" and disagreeing about everything written in that book.

    5. Re:Correct Answer: by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That depends on the version of the Bible that you read. The Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell. They translated their version a bit more accurately (they feel) and have come to the conclusion that death is a state of non-being so to speak and that they hope to arise and live on the Earth again with a limited number going to reside in heaven.

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    6. Re:Correct Answer: by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Actually what the Bible says is, based solely on our actions, all of us, including Christians, deserve to go to Hell. We are all sinners, and there is nothing any of us can do to earn our way into Heaven.

      Citation please?

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    7. Re:Correct Answer: by chaosmind · · Score: 1

      Mod parent brilliant.

      "People's Judean Front? PISS OFF! We're the People's Front of Judea!!"

    8. Re:Correct Answer: by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Citation please?

      Romans 3:21-28 (NIV):

      But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

      Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

      Romans 6:23 (NIV):

      For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

      Ephesians 2:1-10 (NIV):

      As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

      John 14:6 (NIV):

      Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

      Emphasis mine.

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  64. Genocide by ReadsMuchSaysLittle · · Score: 1

    During the Foreign Policy debate, I was saddened that Jim Lehrer did not bring up one of the most important issues of our time. Genocide or "ethnic cleansing" is occurring right now in Darfur, just as it has before in Rwanda and Yugoslavia. As President of the United States, what level of commitment are you willing to give to the world that the United States will intervene in the case of genocide to protect targeted ethnic groups?

    1. Re:Genocide by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why in the hell should we do anything?

      OUR money props up these African dictators.
      OUR food props up the African dictators.
      OUR clothing only warm up the African dictators.

      In a way, WE are blame. Let the Africans solve their problems. Once we stop funding them, they will do things right.

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  65. two questions for both candidates by omar.sahal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Was getting rid of Glass-Steagall act a good idea. This act meant banks and brokerages were separate entities. Banks could not deal in risky transactions (such as underwriting corporate or municipal securities), keeping private money safe.

  66. I'd like to weigh in by syousef · · Score: 1

    I'd like to weigh in and say that I'm AGAINST having youth in 2008. If we can't eliminate them I at least want them off my lawn!

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  67. Re:Couple of easy ones for the old guy by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

    3) given that on a clear day sarah palin has extraordinary vision ( ~ 60 miles), would she not be more use on the front line?

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  68. There really is a Walden University? by Animats · · Score: 1

    I always thought Walden College ("America's safety school") was something made up for Doonesbury.

  69. Immigration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To both Senators,

    The nation needs talented graduate professionals, in particular in the engineering and pharmaceutical industries. International students obtaining US degrees face tough immigration procedures, since some of the current policies focus on "demographical" immigration (i.e., filtering offers by nationality) as opposed to "skilled" immigration (i.e., filtering applicants by talent). International students currently in the US under visas pursuing degrees in key areas are being left out because of their country of origin (examples include Mexico, Russia, and Iran.) Notice that international grad students have probably benefited from US funds while pursuing their studies. It seems self defeating to train skilled people and then deny them immigration.

    What are your concrete observations concerning skilled immigration and retention of talent?

  70. extremely misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This compares civilian deaths in Chicago to US troop deaths in Baghdad. It ignores the deaths of Iraqi civilians (probably in the thousands), insurgents, Iraqi troops, Iraqi policeman, and citizens of other countries.

  71. Differences? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Given that both parties advocate government control over the airwaves, roads, medical industry, banking industry and housing industry, how can you say that there's any real difference between the parties ?

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  72. Mod parent up by spazdor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Additionally, which of the candidates believes that a well-informed and well-educated voter base constitutes a boost, rather than a threat, to your job security? How much money will you put where your mouth is?

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  73. For Both Candidates by Bunderfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that the US Military is already involved in IRAQ (Whether you agreed with it or not), and if we leave the country it could disintegrate into a full Civil War and millions could die, what is your plan for removing the troops without this occurring?

    1. Re:For Both Candidates by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      1) it's not an acronym
      2) they already have a civil war. Sunni vs Shiite, and Shiite militias vs different Shiite militias

  74. Military expenditures by spazdor · · Score: 1

    Let's make sure not to mention the elephant in the room...

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  75. Hahaha by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    You really believe that? If Congress is willing to try to pass restrictive legislation, then the President does indeed have more power in that regard than what you have stated, since the President has veto power.

  76. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by joelpt · · Score: 1

    Your post was so banal, it made me write this.

  77. Horribly slanted by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    While I like the subject matter of your question, the wording is hopelessly slanted. I even agree with your obvious free-market bias, but unfortunately that bias is all too apparent.

    1. Re:Horribly slanted by DragonTHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      how about this:

      Do you believe in legislating protections for failed business models, or do you believe the free market should determine success?

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  78. Debates by mqduck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you believe that including third party candidates - such as the Constitution, Green, Independent, Libertarian and Socialist parties - in the presidential debates would improve the debates and make our election more democratic?

    If no, why not? If yes, why have you not announced that you support the inclusion of third party candidates at any point in the primary or presidential campaigns?

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    1. Re:Debates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as they're given a psych evaluation and asked whether they believe in chemtrails and fluoridation-based mind-control, I personally don't see a problem with it.

    2. Re:Debates by mqduck · · Score: 1

      You're joking of course. But I must say, giving the government political reasons to administer psych exams isn't a very good idea.

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  79. The correct answer to the question... by halivar · · Score: 1

    The correct answer to the question, if you're an evangelical Christian, is to say, "yes, I believe that," (or risk being theologically dishonest, since both candidates profess adhering to evangelical protestantism), but then support with full force Jefferson's presupposition that all men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," chief among these being the absolute freedom of religion, and separation of church and state (for the foremost purpose of allowing people to worship [or not worship] as they see fit).

    Any other answer will no doubt please a minority of people and piss off everyone else. It's the reason why I don't like religion being a part of the election cycle.

  80. I can answer these. by copponex · · Score: 1, Informative

    Senator Obama, why are you opposed to restructuring Social Security into a system of private accounts...

    Social security is secure because it's not tied to the volatile open market.

    Senator Obama, given that Medicare is an even bigger drain than Social Security...

    Our system is horrible because it is run by lobbyists and big pharma, not because state socialized medicine is bad.

    Senator Obama, wouldn't your proposal to nationalize health coverage simply encourage people and companies to drop their current coverage and pile on to the government plan?

    They already do... Walmart purposefully pays their employees poorly and refuses to hire them as full time, while providing counselors who can tell them how to get welfare. Why aren't you asking to fine companies like Wal-Mart to actually address the problem instead of turning this issue into a political stunt?

    Senator Obama, would your proposal to nationalize health coverage cover non-citizens and thereby represent an additional incentive for illegal immigration?

    I'm sorry as hell that your grandfather got in.

    Senator Obama, why are you opposed to Health Savings Account plans...

    He's opposed to plans that are taxable.

    Senator Obama, do you think that soaking the so-called "rich" alone will allow for the funding of your indulgent domestic spending agenda, and what makes you think that you won't be punishing incentive and encouraging the "rich" to work less and even hide more in order to avoid excessive taxation?

    McCain is pro military. That's one trillion dollars per year. But it's not actually about the money, is it? And let me say, if you're upset because you'll be required to pay more tax than the less fortunate, and cause you to drive a 5 series instead of a 7 with the 18 inch rims, you're welcome to seek to run your business in another part of the world where the non-rich are the ones who are funding the infrastructure that allow you to live so comfortably.

    Taxing the rich more than the poor is fundamental to the health of a relatively open market, otherwise capital only flows upward until you have the type of situation that caused the French Revolution.

    Senator Obama, will you commit to balancing the federal budget?

    Has anyone done that since the Republicans pledged to, and failed, in the early 90s?

    Senator Obama, you claim to want to give the "middle class" a tax cut, but at the same time you propose to raise capital gains taxes, the death tax and corporate taxes...

    If major corporations had to pay the full amount of tax, instead of reaping billions of dollars in profit through loopholes, there could be more ways to help small business. The death tax is for assets over 2 million, if I remember correctly. Is that middle class in your book? Must be nice.

    Senator Obama, are you familiar with the Laffer Curve?

    Ask Palin... please! The comic world is begging you.

    Senator Obama, given your radical connections...

    Did Hannity shit in your brain? McCain has Falwell, Palin has herself, and Obama knows some black people who feel like they have been screwed by the system. If guilt by association works, why don't you have a problem with Bush holding hands with the King of Saudi Arabia?

    Senator Obama, will you repudiate the leftist radicals represented by the sites like dailykos?

    Will McCain repudiate Fox News?

    Senator Obama, do you support coercing the Israeli government to make more suicidal concessions to its avowed enemies...

    Coerce? Does that mean we can say, stop killing Palestinians, arresting them, torturing them, and taking their land with the guns, tanks, helicopters, and jets that we give you, accep

    1. Re:I can answer these. by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Your answers FAIL to persuade me whatsoever.

      Social security is secure because it's not tied to the volatile open market.

      Social(ist) (In)Security is not secure at all, but thanks for dodging the question. SS will go bust without substantial reform. As for it not being tied to the "volatile open market," that's why I explicitly said that private accounts could be very conservatively invested, in things like annuities or municipal bonds, and not the stock market. Private retirement plans that government employees have access to have been shown to give as much as twice the returns of that pathetic Socialist pyramid scheme. It's ridiculously outmoded and should be phased out; intellectually honest people can look at the situation objectively and very easily come to that conclusion.

      Our system is horrible because it is run by lobbyists and big pharma, not because state socialized medicine is bad.

      If you want to believe those are the sole causes, fine, but it still makes absolutely no sense to extend a system that is performing poorly currently and is due to go bust in a huge way in the next two decades to the entire population. Have you seen the Medicare liability data? I assume you haven't. But again with that response you're not answering the question; you're just making up excuses for the failed Social(ist) welfare state.

      And let me say, if you're upset because you'll be required to pay more tax than the less fortunate, and cause you to drive a 5 series instead of a 7 with the 18 inch rims. . .

      Once again you fail to address the question. I asked about punishing incentive through excessive taxation, and again you can't answer the question.

      Ask Palin... please! The comic world is begging you.

      I asked Obama for answer, and again you evade because you have no credible response. Besides, Palin isn't the one naively advocating sky high taxes for those making over $250,000 a year in revenue.

      Did Hannity shit in your brain? McCain has Falwell. . .

      Really quite mature. McCain has distanced himself from the Christian right to a greater extent than Obama has distanced himself from the "religious left." Indeed, it took Wright several direct jabs at Obama for the latter to flip-flop and pull out of the radical church he had belonged to for decades.

      Will McCain repudiate Fox News?

      You think Fox News and the DailyKOS are at all analogous? You are truly far gone, as is those who bothered to waste mod points on your stupidity.

      Coerce? Does that mean we can say, stop killing Palestinians, arresting them, torturing them, and taking their land with the guns, tanks, helicopters, and jets that we give you, accept UN resolution 242 and go back to your 1967 borders. . .

      Israel will stop killing so-called "Palestinians" when they stop making war and committing terrorism against Israel; when they give up their perennial dream of "driving the Jews to the Sea" and perpetrating a second Holocaust. As for "taking their land," it is Jewish land From Time Immemorial, and modern day Israel only holds a fraction of its historical land. As for 242, you should reread it because it doesn't say what you think it says (if you've ever read it at all), and as for "1967 border" it would indeed be great if Israel would return to its post-Six Day War 1967 borders, reclaiming the lands it threw away in the 1970s including the Sinai. (I realize that's not what you meant, but I can use your imprecise language in that fashion against you.) As for the so-called "Palestinians," they can go live in any one of 52 predominately Muslim countries in the world, 22 of which are ethnically Arab. If they stop occupying Jewish land and murdering Jews, they'll be able to live in peace with the one Jewish country on earth. But the purpose of my original ques

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    2. Re:I can answer these. by copponex · · Score: 2

      ...private accounts could be very conservatively invested, in things like annuities or municipal bonds...

      Which American municipalities? New Orleans? Wagers are wagers, no matter how conservative they seem to be.

      But again with that response you're not answering the question; you're just making up excuses for the failed Social(ist) welfare state.

      There are at least a dozen socialized medicine programs outperforming the private American system, and of course our (sad) attempt at taking care of our infirm and elderly.

      Once again you fail to address the question. I asked about punishing incentive through excessive taxation, and again you can't answer the question.

      Read a bit further. If you don't tax the wealthy, they use it to get more wealth, and there is only one piece of economic pie. When you take 10% out of a family of four living on $30k per year, it has a lot more impact than taking 10% more out the same family who is making 300k a year.

      As far as incentive goes, I don't think it's hard to find someone who wants to make 300k a year, even if they pay higher taxes. In fact, you could probably lose every CEO in America making more than 1 million per year, replace them with someone making half their salary, and not notice the difference.

      I asked Obama for answer, and again you evade because you have no credible response. Besides, Palin isn't the one naively advocating sky high taxes for those making over $250,000 a year in revenue.

      Yeah... I had to break up the monotony of your talking points with a laugh. My bad.

      Again, if you don't like the tax rate, you should move. Love it or leave it, right? Or does that only count when we're killing arabs...

      Really quite mature.

      And fucking hilarious!

      McCain has distanced himself from the Christian right to a greater extent than Obama has distanced himself from the "religious left."

      It's a subjective opinion. The problem is that McCain will be populating his cabinet with graduates from Liberty University, just as Bush did to thank the evangelicals for the election in 2000. That's why the executive is filled with inexperienced, uneducated, and frighteningly unable people, who literally believe that heaven and hell exist, and that Jesus is coming back to end the world real soon now.

      Obama doesn't seem like the same kind of shill, but I could be wrong.

      You think Fox News and the DailyKOS are at all analogous? You are truly far gone, as is those who bothered to waste mod points on your stupidity.

      Their both equally stupid in their own ways, but really... discussing the possibility of Fox News not existing entirely as a right-wing mouth piece isn't a serious topic to anyone not on board with "Hannity's America."

      Israel will stop killing so-called "Palestinians"

      They are "so-called" because the British encircled the ethnic group called "Palestinians" in a nation called "Palestine" in 1917 which, at the time of it's formation, had 500,000 "Palestinians", 70,000 Christians, and 60,000 Jews.

      when they stop making war and committing terrorism against Israel; when they give up their perennial dream of "driving the Jews to the Sea" and perpetrating a second Holocaust.

      It's true, there is one difference between Israeli actions and Palestinian threats. Israeli aggression is destroying and killing the Palestinian people actively, and with great success, taking more land from them every year since 1948. Some radical Israelis are demanding that the Palestinians be wiped out completely. Some radical Palestinians demand that Israel be wiped out completely. Any rational person can look at maps from 1948 to the present and see who's doing a better job.

      As for "taking their land," it

    3. Re:I can answer these. by zacronos · · Score: 1

      Coerce? Does that mean we can say, stop killing Palestinians, arresting them, torturing them, and taking their land with the guns, tanks, helicopters, and jets that we give you, accept UN resolution 242 and go back to your 1967 borders. . .

      Israel will stop killing so-called "Palestinians" when they stop making war and committing terrorism against Israel. [...]

      (Note that I am not the poster you were responding to, and thus I don't necessary agree with any of the things that poster said.)

      You know, you illustrate very well the reason it's so hard to get a working peace negotiation over there. Both sides say "You stop killing me, then I'll stop killing you." Guess what? That never, never, never works. There are quite a few Israelis who will tell you the same thing, if you bother to listen to them. In fact, recently-resigned-but-still-in-power Israeli Prime Minister Olmert is now saying exactly that (emphasis mine):

      "We have to reach an agreement with the Palestinians, the meaning of which is that in practice we will withdraw from almost all the territories, if not all the territories," said Olmert, who now heads an interim government following his September 21 resignation. "We will leave a percentage of these territories in our hands, but will have to give the Palestinians a similar percentage, because without that there will be no peace," he told the mass-circulation Yediot Aharonot newspaper. "Including in Jerusalem," he said in reference to the predominently Arab eastern part of the Holy City which Israel occupied and annexed after the 1967 war and which Palestinians want as the capital of their future state. His comments are expected to stir deep controversy. Israel officially considers Jerusalem its "eternal, undivided" capital, a view Olmert -- a former mayor of the city -- said he shared for many years. "I am not trying to justify retroactively what I did for 35 years. For a large portion of these years, I was unwilling to look at reality in all its depth," said Olmert.

      From the sound of things, I think Olmert would say that your statements above are also a result of being "unwilling to look at reality in all its depth".

    4. Re:I can answer these. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice comment.

    5. Re:I can answer these. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      As for it not being tied to the "volatile open market," that's why I explicitly said that private accounts could be very conservatively invested, in things like annuities or municipal bonds, and not the stock market.

      Right now they are by law invested in US Treasury bonds. That's about as conservative an investment as you can get.

      Also, your original question stated that teh accounts would be insured. What mechanism do you propose for that.

      I asked about punishing incentive through excessive taxation,

      Okay, the people being taxed have already succeeded, so that they no longer need incentive (see arguments about retroactive extentions of copyrights). Those that are dreaming big are not likely to be detered because they A) have not yet been hit by the tax, so the impact is theoretical. Studies have shown that theoretical future costs are discounted far more than theoretical future benefits. B) It's still a huge increase over what they are making now. C) That money can be used to help small business owners become big enough to have to give back. D) It will cause people to get paid more for their current work (EX. A business can give its CEO $1 million more, and have each Sr. VP who thinks they will become CEO get 25% of the incentive. Or it can give a smaller bonus to each Sr. VP. If the $1 million is more taxed, then it becomes cheaper to give many small bonuses lower on the food chain). E) See the Laffer curve. There is no indication that it would not incentivize people more, because they want to hit some level of income after taxes. After all, the Laffer curve says that 0% and 100% don't work, and that somewhere in the middle does.

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    6. Re:I can answer these. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess you are a Jewish Republican making over 250k a year lol! Most likely an O'Reilly fan as well, no?

    7. Re:I can answer these. by brkello · · Score: 1

      Oh lord...you have to show how juvenile you are by stating his middle name. I don't even know John McCain or Sarah Palin's middle name. But you are just doing the same sort of fear monger crap as a majority of the moral bankrupt Republicans (there are good ones still, just harder to fine). You are either 1) racist 2) trying to scare people because he has a middle name that many people in the middle east have or 3) just being a tool. Probably all of them.

      I am not going to address all your points but very simply state something you are missing. Republicans have been spending more than Democrats. They have been putting more power in the federal government. The economy and job numbers have been worse under republicans. Time and again it has been shown that wealth is better distributed rather than concentrated. Trickle down economics is a failure. Economies are so complex and you try to simplify it by saying rich people that are richer will make more jobs. History shows this is untrue. When people are too poor to buy the crap that companies produce, the economy suffers (see, I can do it right back at you). Social Security privatized would be such a disaster. How many people would be suffering now if that was the case? All the older people in society would be rushing back to work causing unemployment to sky rocket. Private medical insurance has allowed companies to make profit off of us instead of offering us better service. I mean, seriously, think about it. These guys make more money the less they have to pay out so they do whatever they can to screw people out of medical care. There needs to be regulations in place to protect consumer....and yes, they can't be overly regulated, but there needs to be a balance. The Republicans have de-regulated everything as much as they can and it is destroying this country. Seriously, look around now and see how things are crumbling. Please tell me how you can't see that this falls squarely in the court of Republican actions? The typical response from people who don't care to use their brain is that Dems have had the majority in congress for the past two years. Well guess what? They need 60% to over-ride President Bush's veto so even if they wanted to, they can't do anything done. The Republicans have had all three branches the 6 years before that and it has destroyed the nation. And instead of paying attention to this you want to focus on someone's middle name. Shame on you. And I hope I don't have to deal with 4 more years of the same party that either hates America or is too incompetent to do what is right.

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  81. Mandatory National Service by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To both candiates:

    At times both of you have expressed support for the idea, and organizations promoting the idea, of Mandatory National Service, whereby all adult citizens under a certain age would be forced to work for government agencies or government-approved entities for a certain period of time. Senator McCain, you've stated your agreement with the idea that we should re-institute a draft to go after Osama bin Laden.

    Could you both please clarify, for the record, the conditions under which you believe a government has the right to conscript its citizens, and the degree to which your administration would do so?

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  82. How to handle a disaster of unprecedented scale? by FrenchSilk · · Score: 1

    This question examines how you would handle a national disaster of such magnitude and scope that there is no precedent on which to rely. This question tests many important qualities of a leader, including the ability to make difficult choices of great consequence and how to rapidly organize a large scale response to a problem.

    For this theoretical question, let us assume that bird flu, which currently has a 65% mortality rate, suddenly acquires the ability to transmit efficiently among humans. Let us further assume that it is extremely contagious, as new strains of human influenza invariably are, capable of circulating through entire communities within a few days of the first incident of infection.

    In the hypothetical situation, some normally reliable sources report a rapidly spreading disease tearing through a remote region of China, with accounts of huge numbers of people becoming sick and dying. The director of CDC calls you and warns that the worst fears about bird flu may be coming true. Without totally sealing off our borders, the disease is expected to arrive in the United States within days, if it hasn't in fact already arrived on a transcontinental flight.

    If you immediately cancel all international flights and bar all ships from entering our harbors, the economy will undergo massive shock and thousands of citizens will be stranded outside of the country. But if you don't, you risk seeing at least half the population of the United States become deathly ill and probably die in short order.

    What do you do and how long do you wait to be certain that the reports are true before doing it, keeping in mind that even a short delay could result in the disease reaching US soil?

    Finally, if isolation fails or is initiated too late, what do you as president do once it is discovered that an infected traveler has arrived in a major metropolitan area and now a dozen of his family and friends have come down the disease?

  83. How about fiscal responsibility by el_munkie · · Score: 2

    I watched the debate, and neither candidate seems to want to scale down government spending: Obama wouldn't admit to wanting to cut anything, and McCain paid some very unconvincing lip service to the idea. Why are we stuck with choosing between two candidates that both want to increase the scope and cost of the federal government?

    1. Re:How about fiscal responsibility by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Why are we stuck with choosing between two candidates that both want to increase the scope and cost of the federal government?

      As for why you are struck choosing between just two candidates: that's how a winner-take-all electoral system works. If you want more than two viable candidates in an election, you'll need to convince the country to use a more robust electoral system.

      As for why both of them want to increase the scope and cost of the federal government: it's likely that promising people more and better government services is a winning political strategy. (whether it's also a viable way to run the country, I leave as an exercise for the reader)

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  84. Lets see if they say "tubes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senators, what is the internet?

  85. Independent voting by mmalove · · Score: 1

    Here's my question:

    As an independent (not affiliated with either major political party), I'm often told that by not voting for one of the two candidates from the two major parties, I'm throwing away my vote. At the same time, it is often the thin margin of independent and undecided voters that turn a presidential election. Do you think the current political system is fair to independents? If not, what would you do, and have you done, to change it?

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    1. Re:Independent voting by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points to mod this up.

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  86. Economics by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

    What economists do you most closely align yourself with, what school of economics do you adhere to, and do you believe that there is a link between freedom and liberty, and the type of economic system in place, presently or hypothetically? What economic system would be ideal to you?

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    1. Re:Economics by shummer_mc · · Score: 1

      Perhaps more clearly: Which economic philosophy is closer to your own: Alfred Keynes' or Milton Freidman's? How does this relate to your economic policy?

      Ok, if that's not your question, it's mine :)

    2. Re:Economics by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

      Keynes/Friedman, or Mises, I'd prefer.

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  87. Define "youth" by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    And is the slashdot demographic really youthful?

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  88. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Khakionion · · Score: 1

    You are voting for a candidate who believes that Sarah Palin is qualified to fill his shoes. Just sayin'.

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  89. Energy Solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senators,

    I live in the Atlanta area and, recently, have been forced to deal with a gas shortage. This has prompted me to consider the question: what happens when we run out of oil? Given how dependent our country is on a limited resource that is held mostly by countries that hate us, what is your realistic solution to this problem? Drilling will only delay the problem, ethanol is horribly inefficient when derived from corn, battery capacity is too limited for electric cars to attain the necessary range, and hydrogen power is not yet viable. Boone Pickens has recently suggested Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) as a bridge fuel until a technology such as hydrogen power is fully developed. What solutions do you have for a bridge fuel and, ultimately, a gasoline replacement?

  90. FISA by WiiVault · · Score: 1

    Senators Obama and McCain, How can you defend your support for the recently passed telecom immunity bill which provides cover for the illegal actions of companies who are incorporated (as all companies are) by the will of the PEOPLE of the United States?

  91. Re:It was important to know with Clinton... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's even more important to know with Palin.

  92. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by jcnnghm · · Score: 1, Informative

    You are voting for a candidate that has less executive experience than Sarah Palin. Just sayin'

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  93. Since when to SMALL investors worry about cg tax!? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > Senator Obama, you claim to want to give the "middle class" a tax cut, but at the same time you propose to raise capital gains taxes, the death tax and corporate taxes, among others.

    For starters, that tax cut refers specifically to his income tax plan. Here, read this comparison.

    You have a very strange idea of what "small businesses and small investors" are if you think we're affected much by those taxes. All of those taxes affect primarily the rich. I have some decent investments but those taxes are nothing compared to income tax.

    But that's probably because I work, rather than living off investments...

  94. Executive Power by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    One distinguishing feature of the Bush presidency has been an increase in claimed power for the executive branch from signing statements to bypass legislative decisions to NSA surveillance of Americans without judicial approval. How do you view the role of the executive branch in relation to the legislative and judicial branches? Are there specific ways in which you think executive power should be decreased or increased?

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    1. Re:Executive Power by shanen · · Score: 1

      Here, here. My form of the same question would be:

      Do you feel that the presidency (and legislative branch) has become too powerful relative to the other branches of government? If so, what would you do to weaken the presidency? If not, what would do to strengthen it?

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    2. Re:Executive Power by shanen · · Score: 1

      I must be tired.

      Obviously, I meant the parenthetic comment to be "(and executive branch)", but my fingers were doing their things again. The legislative branch has mostly run away from their designated powers, and the judicial branch has been subverted by the deliberate executive nomination of extremists, preferably young extremists.

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    3. Re:Executive Power by shanen · · Score: 1

      I must be more tired. Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear"?

      Okay, that gives me the excuse for the old joke:

      "I don't worry about talking to myself. I don't even mind it when I argue with myself. However, when I start losing those arguments, then I worry."

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  95. Touché by Orne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Barack Obama, for four years in the 1990s, you were on the executive board of an education foundation named the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, founded by ex-Weather Underground Organization leader William Ayers. In a spring debate, you claimed he was "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis", and just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood". Given that you launched your presidential campaign from Mr. Ayers home, how do you explain this discrepancy?

    Barack Obama, records show that you have received the second largest amount of monetary donations from the now bankrup Fannie Mae mortgage lender. In 2005, you were praised by Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd because of your work in congress on Fannie's behalf. Was the praise because of your vote against the Housing Reform Act of 2005 that would have prevented the 2008 collapse of the lending institutions?

    Barack Obama, you have often touted your experience as a community organizer in the streets of Chicago as evidence of your qualifications to lead. You have worked extensively with one such group, ACORN, which recently endorsed you for president, where you acknowledged your work with ACORN in Project Vote in 2004. Given that ACORN members are frequently convicted of committing voter fraud, can you please explain your relation to this organization?

    1. Re:Touché by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Those aren't really questions, dude. Those are political attacks that are disguised as questions. Nice try.

    2. Re:Touché by brkello · · Score: 1

      Republicans are frequently convicted of voter fraud. Can you explain your relation to this organization?

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  96. Questionable Time in America For Non-Christians by cup0spam · · Score: 0

    As a non-Christian, the last 8 years have been quite worrisome for me. As President, how will your faith play a role in leading America?

  97. Electronic voting by Veggiesama · · Score: 1

    To both:

    The state of electronic voting in the last eight years has been a state of uncertainty. Amidst accusations of scandal and neglect, the American people have lost faith in the idea that their votes are being handled properly. The current administration has done little to ease these tensions, and current prospects are disappointing.

    As president, what will you do to restore voters' confidence in the integrity, privacy, and accuracy of their votes?

  98. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Khakionion · · Score: 1

    lol

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  99. Flamebait backfires by Quila · · Score: 1

    Senator Obama, you know full well that the failed policies of a Democratic-run Congress created the sub-prime environment that led to the current financial crisis. You know that you and Chris Dodd are the two highest recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac money in Congress since 1989, and you achieved that second place spot in only a few years in the Senate. You know that Barney Frank was a few years ago saying there is no problem with FM/FM, while Senator McCain said there was a problem and cosponsored legislation to prevent the current crisis. You also know that legislation was killed by the Democrats.

    With all that in mind, how hypocritical do you feel when you blame the current crisis on the Republicans?

    1. Re:Flamebait backfires by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Problem: you are full of shit. FM/FM are symptoms of the disease, not the cause. That would be deregulation.

    2. Re:Flamebait backfires by Quila · · Score: 1

      FM/FM are symptoms of the disease

      You weren't reading. The initial cause was the government practically ordering financial institutions to loan money to bad credit risks, see the Community Reinvestment Act. That, coupled with HUD policies led to FM/FM getting neck-deep in these securities in order to stay within regulation.

      It is these bad loans, forced by the government, that we're about to pay for. Deregulation did make things worse, but it couldn't have done anything had a well-intentioned Democratic congress not laid the foundation for the eventual collapse. The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes them again, but they will never learn because it's only our money they're playing with.

    3. Re:Flamebait backfires by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You weren't reading.

      No, I did, you're just wrong on all counts. "Forcing FM/FM to lend to poor minorities" did not cause this mess, deregulation allowing banks and investment banks to merge (removing economic firewalls) and allowing predatory lending is what caused it. Oh, and letting Wall Street "invest" more money in "retail products" based on credit swaps than the GDP of the entire planet.

      The collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the effect not the cause of this financial meltdown.

    4. Re:Flamebait backfires by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Informative

      The initial cause was the government deciding that fucking with the money supply was a good idea. Inflation of the money supply creates a market boom that is artificial (not created by demand), and must be followed by a bust. The Community Reinvestment Act certainly had a big role to play in this particular cycle, and I'm glad you pointed it out. But the CRA is another example of how regulation just messes things up. If there was no government mandate for banks to take on these risky loans, and there wasn't an artificially low interest rate on Fed loans making them look more profitable than they really were, these banks would never have gotten into such a mess in the first place. The deregulation that made things worse (by enabling banks to hide their bad debt) would not have had such a negative effect if the banks hand't been coerced and tricked into making bad loans!

      This is not a defense of the banks' behavior, merely a description of how their actions relate to the landscape they inhabit. The worst thing we can do right now is to pump more money (that we don't have) into the system. If we leave it alone and get rid of the Fed, or at least greatly reduce its power, we will have a short, sharp year-long recession followed by a full recovery. This could be the last boom/bust cycle if we the people decide to act. If the bailout passes, we're looking at a lingering 10-year recession, further devaluation of the dollar, and a socialist market in all but name.

      You're absolutely right about the Law of Unintended Consequences and government's failure to learn, which is why government needs to keep their hands off the markets.

    5. Re:Flamebait backfires by Underfoot · · Score: 1

      Wow...

      I knew that people might not understand where we stand economically, but to look at the long chain of events that caused this mess and think that there should be more deregulation is really impressively blind.

      This was not caused by regulation "forcing the banks to take on risky loans" (While I understand your qualms with the CRA. The regulation it imposes was necessary due to "geographic profiling" that certain banks were using to deny credit or impose loan-shark rates to certain demographic groups [read racial discrimination]. The CRA in fact contains language stating that all loans issued should be consistent with safe and sound banking operations, negating your argument.)

      The current credit market failure was caused by unscrupulous loan officers / mortgage brokers who were only looking to receive their quick percentage on the loan, and had no concern with the subsequent risk. The loan officers would do what it took to get the loan through an underwriting process (including lying or omitting key facts - both to the underwriter, and to the loan applicant), and once "approved", immediately turn around and sell the loan to a large bank / mortgage lender.

      The large bank / mortgage lender would then run a group of these (poorly documented) loans through a rating process to determine their relative worth, and package groups of like-rated loans into securities; once again immediately selling them to investment banks / firms / managers.

      We are now three steps removed from the holder of the loan, with the person who actually cares about the risk (the investor) receiving information on risk from parties who are financially motivated to make the loan look as good as possible. Given that these packaged mortgage loans stood for real houses (physical assets), the investment banks / firms / managers used these "assets" to increase their "book value", thus increasing the amount of debt they were able to obtain in the form of credit or margin (at this point we are backing one kind of debt with another).

      The problem started when the housing market collapsed, and the value of the house was indeterminate. The investment groups had used the full value of the house (or underlying mortgage) when inserting the security into their "asset" column and taking out debt. But the value of that house (and thus the security) was now an unknown, with the market setting a value anywhere from 70%-0% (the 0% is really unreasonable, but considering the bundled securities were now unable to sell at any price on the open market, their value short term was, in fact, $0).

      Again the problem was that these backed additional loans. If your debt/asset ratio reaches certain set limits, your credit is revoked or you are held to a margin-call. The cascade started when the assets were marked down (even to the 70% number), throwing off the debt/asset ratio, initiating a margin call. The securities could not be valued, and thus could not be sold to pay off the margin calls, so any asset (including good assets) had to be sold at fire sale prices to make sure the debt was paid off. If the debt couldn't be paid off, Boom, no more investment bank / firm / etc.

      How does this impact you if you are not an investment firm? The credit market tightened when the housing market slide began its downturn, as the value of mortgage backed assets could not be determined. As these unknown values continued to slide in the market, and as more and more of these types of securities were discovered on more and more businesses' investment books, credit continued to tighten as no one knew who was affected. When margin call ratios were not being met, and banks could not cover their debt, the credit market completely halted; not only does no one know if a company is holding these "toxic" assets, but they do not know if your company will exist next week to pay back the loan.

      While there are several companies that operate with cash-on-hand,

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    6. Re:Flamebait backfires by Quila · · Score: 1

      Exactly what is the debt that FM is saddled with currently that is bringing it down? Could it be people who met pre-1977 lending criteria? Or is it the sub-primes that Congress created? People are realizing that you don't lend money to bad credit risks for damn good reason, but that's exactly what the law and regulatory scheme mandated.

  100. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

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  101. end riaa bs? by dark+whole · · Score: 1

    Would you push for laws that block frivolous lawsuits, such as those brought forth by the Recording Industry of America?

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  102. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Stradivarius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am the first to admit that conservatives tend to hyperventilate about media bias more than they should (in many cases, the bias of the mainstream media has been only mildly left, no worse than Fox's bias rightwards). But even a broken clock is right twice a day, and this is one of those times.

    Take, for example, the Fannie/Freddie debacle. Consider that Obama had 2 corrupt former CEOs of Fannie as economic advisors, one of which was the head of his VP search committee. We didn't hear about that until McCain ran ads about it. And then, did the media focus on the story? No - they attacked McCain for supposedly running a racist ad (apparently you can't mention close associations with corrupt CEOs if they happen to be black).

    You could also consider the media's attacks on some of McCain's more dubious ads (e.g. sketchy claims about Obama's sex ed bill). The media went on for days about how McCain was such a scoundrel. And hyperbole notwithstanding, he deserved some serious criticism for those ads. But then when Obama played equally dirty (e.g. scaring Florida seniors with falsehoods about McCain's Social Security plans) you barely hear a peep from those same folks (with the notable exception of Ruth Marcus at the Washington Post).

    I don't doubt many in the media are trying to be fair, because they are aware that they and their colleagues are overwhelmingly liberal. A handful succeed in being neutral. But for the rest, the prospect of an eloquent, black, highly liberal senator (the anti-Bush as it were) becoming President is such a seductive dream that they can't help but look more critically at his opponent. Love really is blind.

  103. Signing orders by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To both:

    The Constitution says that a President shall sign or veto a bill (or not sign it, and it will become law after ten days). Since it says nothing about "signing orders", do you promise to comply with the Constitution by either signing, vetoing, or refusing to sign all bills that come before you and nothing more? Will you refuse to issue "signing orders" since they are not a power specifically given to the President by the Constitution?

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    1. Re:Signing orders by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Try asking your congresscritter why they dont impeach ANY president who attempts to do such?

      That's a legislative issue, not executive one.

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  104. My question by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0, Troll

    If "when does life begin" is "above your pay grade", how can we trust your judgement on anything else?

    LK

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  105. bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article headline: "125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer - Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq"

    Never mind the sub-human Iraqis eh? - It's just sickening to read such jingoistic crap in the media. Most of the troops sit in their bunkers or hang around in the green zone precisely because the current administration want to prevent any number of casualties on their side. Of course starting the civil war there is no reason for them to get involved.

    Just take your stupid question and shove it up your ass.

  106. still a waste of time by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Just showing up at a debate is not a sign that you'll get support - just ask Richardson, Dodd and Kucinich. It would make as much sense to have Hillary join the debates, since she got far more votes than all the independents will combined.

  107. Question for Obama by Drakin020 · · Score: 1

    Obama,

    Why did you vote in favor of the FISA bull which gives retro active immunity to the telco's even though it goes against the constitution?

    Do you feel the violation of the constitution is necessary in times when the nation seeks protection?

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  108. Excuses by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    What's your excuse for being two of the most corrupt candidates ever to run for president of the United States of America?

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  109. question: just how racist are you? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Harping on Freddie Mac and Fannie May is a gigantic red herring. The problems were:

    1) banks were allowed to push loans on people who couldn't afford them
    2) deregulation allowed too many mergers and destroyed old firewalls that limited economic damage
    3) banks took way to many liabilities on the amount of assets they had - 30:1, 40:1
    4) banks sold insurance on bad mortgages to each other
    5) the amount of this insurance/credit swap market was more than the GDP of the ENTIRE WORLD

    Freddie and Fanny weren't the cause of the problem, they were the result. Blaming the collapse on minorities is straight up racist bullshit, as those loans were a fraction of a drop in the bucket.

  110. Question for Sen. McCain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a two part question for Sen. McCain.

    Sen. McCain,

    In the 60 minutes show that aired on Sept 21, you said that we would go into Iran if they developed nuclear weapons and certain conditions are met. What are these certain conditions and what steps will you take to ensure that false intelligence reports will not influence your final decision.

    I am dreaming if I get a response to this question.

  111. A question about terrorism... by stevejsmith · · Score: 1

    What do YOU think Ayman al-Zawahiri was doing in Russia in 1996-97?

  112. Tax Cuts by LunaML · · Score: 1

    I assert that taxes are a necessary part of our political system; especially in this time when our government needs to act to actively stabilize the economic system. Cutting them at this time would be a mistake. Do you agree? If not what alternative do you propose to garner funding for economic stabilization?

  113. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by TehZorroness · · Score: 1

    I don't think palin is fit enough to be doing her current job. Just listen to her speak. It's instant facepalm.

  114. bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Informative

    Given that you launched your presidential campaign from Mr. Ayers home, how do you explain this discrepancy?

    That talking point is crap, but lets go ahead and play the associations game, jackass. John McCain is good friends with G. Gordon Liddy, who has hosted fundraisers for McCain that McCain has attended. Liddy said this in response to the fiasco at Waco:

    Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.

    Now, imagine for a second that Obama attended fundraisers hosted by a Black Panther who advised people to shoot federal agents in the head. That's right, the world would blow up. Or how Hannity, who can't talk about Ayers enough, it good buddies with the white supremacist Hal Turner.

    Barack Obama, records show that you have received the second largest amount of monetary donations from the now bankrup Fannie Mae mortgage lender.

    Liar. He didn't receive donations from Fannie Mae, he received them from employees of Fannie Mae. Big difference.

    You have worked extensively with one such group, ACORN, which recently endorsed you for president,

    Ah, the associations game again. You forgot Rev. Wright! How can you post a bunch of pathetic smears and leave out Jeremiah Wright? Bad wingnut, no cookie.

    1. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but Liddy was right. ATF agents deserve to be shot in the head. The RKBA is sacrosanct, which is why it has a whole Amendment devoted to it. As long as a group of people isn't committing some actual crimes (the Davidians weren't, that I know of), then the Federal government needs to leave them alone.

      Similarly, I see nothing wrong with Black Panthers keeping weapons, and advising people to shoot federal agents in the head, as long as those members aren't felons or committing actual crimes. Free association, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms are all part of the Bill of Rights in this country, and they apply to all Citizens, as long as they aren't felons or in prison.

      Now I'm not sure I'd want to vote for someone who associated with the Black Panthers, just as I wouldn't want to vote for someone who associated with a white supremacist organization, but unless they're convicted felons, they have the right to own guns, and even if they're convicted felons, they have the right to free speech, no matter how offensive it may be.

      As for Rev. Wright, anyone who goes to his church for 20 years has no business being President, in this voter's opinion. The guy is a nut; some of the things he said may be true, but the crap about the government inventing AIDS to kill black people completely overshadows that. So there's no way I'm voting for Obama. As for McCain, anyone who graduates at the bottom of his class at the Naval academy, and only got in because of his father, and then proceeds to wreck several jets and is such a bad pilot he gets shot down and taken prisoner, and then, after all that, comes home and kicks his crippled wife out so he can marry a rich, politically connected, younger woman, is a despicable disgrace of a human being, and has no business being President either. Add in his involvement in the Keating 5, and the fact that he's said he doesn't know anything about economics, and just recently said the economy is doing great, just before everyone suddenly needed bailing out. There's no way I'm voting for him.

    2. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Similarly, I see nothing wrong with Black Panthers keeping weapons, and advising people to shoot federal agents in the head

      Wonderbar. But even if you are Gordon Kahl, Jr., you can't deny that there's an enormous double standard here.

      As for Rev. Wright, anyone who goes to his church for 20 years has no business being President, in this voter's opinion. The guy is a nut; some of the things he said may be true, but the crap about the government inventing AIDS to kill black people completely overshadows that.

      Naturally, because you're an ignorant troglodyte. Wright made his comments with regards to how the U.S. government has shat all over blacks and American indians - he grew up during Jim Crow and the Tuskegee Experiments, where the government secretly tested poor black men with syphilis.

      But chances are that Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a far better American than you. He voluntarily gave up his student deferment to serve two tours of duty in Vietnam as a United States Marine. And when he completed that service, he re-enlisted in the Navy as a medical corpsman and was good enough to be on the team for LBJ's surgery in 1966.

    3. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Periodically, the tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants." So is Thomas Jefferson a terrorist now? If the BATF is coming to disarm you, they are acting against natural human rights and the Constitution.

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    4. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by operagost · · Score: 1

      Hey, Benedict Arnold was an excellent officer until he betrayed his brothers.

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    5. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by lupis42 · · Score: 1

      ATF agents deserve to be shot in the head. The RKBA is sacrosanct, which is why it has a whole Amendment devoted to it. As long as a group of people isn't committing some actual crimes (the Davidians weren't, that I know of), then the Federal government needs to leave them alone.

      Similarly, I see nothing wrong with Black Panthers keeping weapons, and advising people to shoot federal agents in the head, as long as those members aren't felons or committing actual crimes. Free association, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms are all part of the Bill of Rights in this country, and they apply to all Citizens, as long as they aren't felons or in prison.

      The only problem I have with this paragraph is the word "Federal." It needs to be removed.

    6. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      True. But in the case of the Branch Davidians, it was the Federal government (mainly BATFE) who was intent on starting a war with them for no reason. Many of our problems are caused by having an overbearing Federal government. In California, the people have voted to legalize medical marijuana. But whenever people try to exercise their rights under the state law, Federal agents come in and bust them. Things would be a lot better in this country if the Federal government were a tiny fraction of its current size, and had very little power other than operating the military.

    7. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by lupis42 · · Score: 1

      As a resident of a state that has it's own very overbearing government, I don't think that Federal power is the problem, I think that overbearing government in general is the problem. Federal or state, there is too much power in the hand of unaccountable people right now.
      That said, I also think there are many services that are and must be run at a federal level, and the federal government does many good things (and many bad ones) handling everything from consumer safety to national infrastructure. Some of those things could, maybe, be privatized, but that doesn't always mean that they should either.
      Federal or State, though, gun control is bullshit.

    8. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The problem with Federal power vs. state power is that the bigger the government, the harder it is to change it, or for your vote to matter. It's a lot easier to complain to your state legislators and get something done than it is to get Congress to do something the way you want. Additionally, the people in your state are more likely to share your political beliefs, whereas the country as a whole is much more diverse (which means it's harder to get a consensus and get things done to peoples' general satisfaction). For instance, how hard is it to legalize marijuana in California? Apparently, not too hard. Just put up a ballot measure and it'll probably get passed. You could probably do the same in some other select states, such as Oregon. But how hard is it to legalize marijuana at the Federal level? Good luck with that. Even if they had Federal ballot measures like they do in California (where people vote directly on bills, for those who don't live in Western states where this is common), there's no way a majority of American voters would vote for that. There's simply too many conservative anti-drug voters in midwestern and southern states.

      You're right, some services should be run at the Federal level, such as defense. Some things theoretically would do better at the Federal level, like disaster relief, but as we're seeing right now, that certainly isn't the case, since FEMA couldn't competently handle a drizzle, much less a hurricane. But this doesn't mean the Federal government should be able to dictate laws to states. Unless the state is trying to do something unconstitutional (like limit free speech, impose a religion, ban guns, quarter soldiers in peoples' homes, etc.), the state should be able to do what it wants within its borders, without worrying about Federal agents telling them they can't.

    9. Re:bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Another point I'd like to add: if you're a resident of a state with a government you don't agree with, it's easy to pack up and move to another state (especially if you live in the Northeast where states are smaller than some cities). But if you don't agree with the Federal government, you'll have to move to another country, which is a much more difficult and costly proposition. So overbearing state governments may be annoying, but at least you can escape them by moving to Wyoming or Montana.

  115. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by philspear · · Score: 1

    Well, I think it's impossible to argue that the media is anything near perfect. I also don't think that liberals in the media is the cause of that. They've been over-covering Sarah Palin. She probably has more name recognition at this point than McCain. And while a lot is negative, it's certainly taken attention away from Obama and any meaningful debate. And no press is bad press.

  116. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (in many cases, the bias of the mainstream media has been only mildly left, no worse than Fox's bias rightwards).

    nice, trying to sneak this by.

    MSM has a bias toward corporations, but is otherwise neutral.
    If you think the MSM has a liberal bias, I refer you to the colbert quip about reality having a well-known liberal bias.

    Fox deliberately distorts, and often times fabricates, the stories they present. The obama muslim kick, the deliberate mischaracterization of palin's crusade against the library as false, simply because she didn't do it as mayor (but as city councilwoman), the oreilly factor's invented statistics, the "balance" of the dingbat-right hannity and the cowed, confrontation fearing moderate, colmes.

    The list goes on and on.

    Fox news is a propaganda arm of the extreme right, it is NOT to be compared with the MSM, which is center-right because it's neutral on social issues and parrots corporate and political press releases whenever it can to avoid actual investigative reporting.

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  117. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    let's see, time in the US senate vs time as mayor of a town of only 6000 people.

    I could probably install my dog in that mayoral office and get the same result, plus some free fertilizer for the farmers!

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  118. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by infonography · · Score: 2, Interesting

    so a former CEO is automatically corrupt? how very leftist of you.

    Loan Titans Paid McCain Adviser Nearly $2 Million
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html

    Hi Mr Pot, meet Ms Kettle.

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  119. Why? by plasmacutter · · Score: 0

    I absolutely hate to say this, but the gun is to OUR heads as tax payers.

    we HAVE to pay this, or the economy will collapse in the same way it did when the banks went bust in 29.

    It took 3 decades to recover from that, and I consider anything, including a trillion dollar government bail-out, preferable to that.

    What I will not stand for though, is a return to reaganomic policies of supply side tax cuts and a refusal to regulate after this mess.

    They need to impose tight regulations again, and abandon the neo-liberalism which led to this mess, and many others.

    Stiglitz declared reaganomics dead, for the second time, earlier this year. (the first time it was declared dead was the end of the bush administration, yet democrats still acquiesced to and even helped republicans in their bull-headed efforts to continue)

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    1. Re:Why? by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      we HAVE to pay this, or the economy will collapse in the same way it did when the banks went bust in 29.

      What, and no one has thought of *any* viable alternatives?

      They need to impose tight regulations again

      As I understand it, regulation was one of the causes of this trouble in that in the books they had to value the mortgage securities at a fraction of the actual value and later couldn't sell it for any more than that.

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  120. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

    Mayor > "Community Organizer"
    Governor > Senator

    McCain's Experience >>> Obama's Experience

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  121. Mod parent up. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    I'm getting really tired of right-wing media deliberately fabricating crap for those incapable of thought to spew.

    What, they think reporting deliberate lies is the same as the normal, moderate MSM simply forgetting a few questions?

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  122. Be Part of the 2008 Presidential Youth Debate by infonography · · Score: 1

    the topic was a Debate for Real Children

    Having the mind of a child does not count.

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  123. Re:Flamebait backfires: stop lying by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1994.. the congress wasn't.. you know.. republican controlled, and shutting down the government over petty political disputes.

    Maybe the democrats put the republican heads of senate and house under the imperus curse?

    I mean.. damn those democrats, who had no control over congress, and who could not even so much as requisition new styrofoam coffee cups at that time because of the revenge republicans were dishing out for actually pursuing nixon for real criminal actions.

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  124. Re:It was important to know with Clinton... by infonography · · Score: 1

    Cue the Brittney jokes,

    it's gonna happen you know it in your heart. Even if it doesn't it's going to be in people imagination.

    Funny that she showed up about the time McCain brought up Paris and Brittney. This is not a coincidence.

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  125. Mod parent up, much more concise and pointed. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    how about this:

    Do you believe in legislating protections for failed business models, or do you believe the free market should determine success?

    This is particularly pointed and relevant, it evokes the current financial crisis and bail-out.

    It draws particular attention to the inequities of laws which continually give more and more power to content cartels not only to persecute the defenseless, but to regulate and smother new technology which could have been developed to produce real jobs.

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  126. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Mayor > "Community Organizer"
    Governor > Senator

    McCain's Experience >>> Obama's Experience

    wow, how subjective and wrong.

    Governor Senator.

    One person governed a state with a very low population, a massive influx of money from the oil trade, and the least divisive population in the US. Governorship of Alaska is a sinecure.

    The other was on the floor of the most important legislative house in the country, debating affairs which affected the entire nation from mundane budgetary concerns to whether or not we send troops into another nation and kill other human beings.

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  127. Great question by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1
    IMHO

    If the political community is not to be torn apart while everyone follows his own opinion, there must be an authority to direct the energies of all citizens toward the common good, not in a mechanical or despotic fashion, but by acting above all as a moral force which appeals to each one's freedom and sense of responsibility.

    .....

    The complex circumstances of our day make it necessary for public authority to intervene more often in social, economic and cultural matters in order to bring about favorable conditions which will give more effective help to citizens and groups in their free pursuit of man's total well-being. The relations, however, between socialization and the autonomy and development of the person can be understood in different ways according to various regions and the evolution of peoples.

    Basically, there is some room to debate the role of legislating morality but the natural law should always be obeyed. So Murder and Theft should still be illegal, not just from our beliefs but also because they are against natural law. Basically you should have other reasons for making things illegal, other than " its in the Bible ",but just because some things are considered Sins in the Bible doesn't mean they can't be legislated.

    Ok, I'm not that smart. Exceprt from Gadieum et Spes

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    1. Re:Great question by lupis42 · · Score: 1
      While I agree with your conclusion,

      ...you should have other reasons for making things illegal, other than " its in the Bible ",but just because some things are considered Sins in the Bible doesn't mean they can't be legislated.

      , I question the nature of "Natural Law". I don't believe that there can be a "Natural Law", as it shares a problem with everything else that's called natural: the meaning of natural is non-specific, and has no relation to the meaning of law. I submit that there is no "natural law", and that the core purpose of society is to impose law on the natural state.
      From this I would conclude that the core principals of law should relate to defining the rights individuals have, and determining to what extent they apply when in conflict. For example, my right to property means you cannot steal, and Bob's right to life means I cannot kill him.

    2. Re:Great question by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      How do you determine the rights individuals have? Why do you have a right to your property? Why don't I have a right to your property?

      In the end I think we are saying the same thing two different ways. Natural Law essentially is the same as figuring out what rights we have that are by our societal needs.

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    3. Re:Great question by lupis42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you determine the rights individuals have? Why do you have a right to your property? Why don't I have a right to your property?

      Because, and only because, people have agreed to that. Changing those rights is nothing more than a matter of changing those agreements. After all, changing the nature of property rights was at the core of most of the Communist revolutions.

      In the end I think we are saying the same thing two different ways. Natural Law essentially is the same as figuring out what rights we have that are by our societal needs.

      Maybe. I still have a problem with the phrase "Natural Law" though. As I see it, there is no law in nature. Rights, laws, property, these are things which we create, which having no meaning or existence but that we imagine them, create them, and go to great lengths to protect and enforce them upon those who would disagree.

    4. Re:Great question by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      I think there are certain universal rules that must exist in order for a society to exist, that need not have a supernatural basis. Sort of like there are some meteorological conditions that must be met in order for it to snow.

      There are then other conditions that are required for it to be a blizzard.

      And then there are conditions that over time will lead to major disruptions in the global weather pattern leading to mass extinctions ( ie global warming). The first two are obvious and short term in nature, the real disagreement is over the last on as it foretells long term effects. In order for us to stop global warming it will require individual sacrifice of liberty for the betterment of all. And the effects of the phenomenon will be felt regardless of your individual beliefs.

      The arguments about natural law that are going on now are more similar to the third example of global warming. It would be wise of us to pay more attention to sociologists examination of failed societies to reach more agreement on these long term effects.

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    5. Re:Great question by lupis42 · · Score: 1

      What rules? Name one rule without which there cannot be a society.
      And I don't mean without which you would not like the society, I mean there cannot be a society.

    6. Re:Great question by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      I think the phrase you are focusing on is better rendered as 'natural rights'. Saying "I don't believe there can be a natural law..." sounds more like you have a problem with Newton or something than with the Bible, or any other set of social rules.
            But there are places where natural rights, natural law, and such make great sense. For example, where does the US Constitution's copyright law come from? If it starts as a restriction on a natural right to copy, then the original 'for a limited time' clause makes sense. People only have a limited time to exercise a natural right to copy - that is while they are actually alive. No one can naturally copy anything even a second after they die. If instituted copyright is an abridgment and reassignment of a natural right, then when man made copyright ends, the remaining right automatically reverts to the individual person. So, people who frequently used phrases such as "Nature and Nature's God", wrote a rule where the result was originally a limited time, much less than a typical lifespan, and didn't spell out what needed to happen afterwards, suggesting they thought it was pretty obvious. (And it is pretty damned obvious if the Right in question starts with a 'Natural Right', less so if it doesn't).
            Look what getting rid of the concept of someting originating in natural rights does there. First, 'a limited time' becomes 'possibly just one second short of forever', not 'less than an average human lifetime', so a period such as 'life+70' years, looks just as limited under the modern interpretation as the original 14 or 28 years once did, at least to the Supreme Court we have now. Second, copyright becomes a right created by government fiat, rather than one transferred, so retroactively extending copyright on an already existing body of work stops counting as even possibly 'taking without compensation'.
            I'm sure that plenty of people could pick this or some other area of law and show how Natural Rights either help explain it or make no sense at all there. I picked copyright because it's been a popular topic on Slashdot. I'm not a lawyer, and the explanation I've suggested here most assuredly isn't one the high court accepts, so please don't anyone expect this argument to work if they are involved in a legal case regarding copyright. On the other hand, there was a time I could have written the last few sentences about the Dred Scott decision with only minor changes.

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    7. Re:Great question by vux984 · · Score: 1

      And I don't mean without which you would not like the society. I mean there cannot be a society.

      Define "society" first.

      Because by my definition a society is a community of people living together for the purpose of mutual benefit, including mutual protection and security. If it were to permit maliciously killing each other -- that would fail the test of being a society.

  128. The need to educate yourself by Quila · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1994.. the congress wasn't.. you know.. republican controlled

    Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1977 the Congress was Democrat controlled and it was signed by a Democrat president. In 1995 President Clinton made regulatory changes (no need for the consent of the Republican Congress) that put the program on steroids, paving the way straight to our current crisis. It was after this that FM/FM started taking on the risky loans to comply with the heightened standards.

    Bush tried to fix this in 2003, but the Democrats killed it. "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis." -- Barney Frank D-MA, while opposing stricter oversight.

    1. Re:The need to educate yourself by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Seriously. How does the minority party in Congress and the Senate kill anything?

      Unless I'm mistaken, you would need bi-partisan opposition to kill it.

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    2. Re:The need to educate yourself by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1994.. the congress wasn't.. you know.. republican controlled

      Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1977 the Congress was Democrat controlled and it was signed by a Democrat president. In 1995 President Clinton made regulatory changes (no need for the consent of the Republican Congress) that put the program on steroids, paving the way straight to our current crisis. It was after this that FM/FM started taking on the risky loans to comply with the heightened standards.

      Bush tried to fix this in 2003, but the Democrats killed it. "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis." -- Barney Frank D-MA, while opposing stricter oversight.

      way to spew fox news as "hot air" propaganda.

      prove it with minutes or it didn't happen.

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    3. Re:The need to educate yourself by Quila · · Score: 1

      You sound like a standard partisan: If you don't like it then it is "propaganda."

      I know, the truth hurts when you're trying to get Obama elected by blaming only the Republicans. You must distract from the left's blame on this, you must distract from the fact that Democrats received the most protection money from FM/FM, you must distract from the fact that Democrat race-baiting policies created this mess.

    4. Re:The need to educate yourself by Copid · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. because..you know.. when the seeds for this were sown in 1977 the Congress was Democrat controlled and it was signed by a Democrat president. In 1995 President Clinton made regulatory changes (no need for the consent of the Republican Congress) that put the program on steroids, paving the way straight to our current crisis.

      So, you're suggesting that a law that:

      1) was passed 31 years ago
      2) applies only to federally-insured banks and thrifts and not to the non-bank mortgage companies that made the majority of the sub-prime loans
      3) George Bush weakened in 2004 with no apparent decrease in subprime activity
      4) does not appear to lead to unprofitable lending

      caused the sharp upward trend in unprofitable loans that did not coincide with either 1977 or 1995? Oh, and of course, the banks making these bad loans (knowing full well that they were bad--they were under duress, you know), decided to borrow huge sums of money to make huge numbers of them in order to massively leverage their losses (which they expected to be losses--you know, the CRA made them make those loans against their will). Well done indeed.

      It was after this that FM/FM started taking on the risky loans to comply with the heightened standards.

      I'm not going to claim that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac enacted wise regulations during the run-up, but for God's sake, they lost significant market share to asset-backed securities issuers starting in about 1999. You're suggesting that organizations that don't originate mortgages and have been declining in significances (especially in the sub-prime market) are responsible for a huge up-tick in sub-prime mortgages? I salute you.
      Notably absent from this discussion is the fact that the types of derivatives that made these securities as attractive as they were happened to become deregulated at just about the same time the asset backed securities market started to eat away at Fannie and Freddie's mortgage holdings.

      Bottom line: Let's see your numbers. From what I can see, this is an example of a spectacular lack of oversight in a new and "innovative" market that got out of control. The economic theory bears it out well, the time line works, and the numbers seem to favor that explanation. There's no reason to appeal to things like the CRA or FM/FM to explain the sudden run-up in available credit to low-quality borrowers. I'm willing to hear a detailed explanation, if it makes economic sense and has some data behind it, though.

      Bush tried to fix this in 2003, but the Democrats killed it.

      Of course, I'm sure that Mr. Responsible governance and regulation tried everything he could to get a tighter grip around those guys, but it was 2003, and his party only controlled both houses of the legislature. Sure, he got whatever he wanted in those days, but woe to those who cross Barney Frank, especially when he's in a minority party that couldn't seem to do shit when it came to pushing its agenda.

      Frankly, any argument that's being pushed by Kevin "Dow 36000" Hasset needs a little bit of hard data backing it up before I buy into it, especially when it appears to run counter to the facts and expert opinion. Basically, I'm thinking, Kevin Hasset vs Janet Yellen. Who gets the benefit of the doubt on data-driven matters of economic policy?

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  129. Verified Voting, anyone? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Electronic voting machines have, time and time again, been shown to be inaccurate, insecure, and untrustworthy. In particular, those from Premiere Election Solutions (formerly Diebold) do not leave a verifiable paper trail, making a recount impossible.

    What will you do to ensure that my vote will be counted in this election, or the next?

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  130. GI Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senator McCain.

    In your last debate you said you would take care of Vets. What were your specific reasons for voting against the last GI Bill? Would you commit to increased educational benefits for Vets that are amputees that might be unable to work traditional physical labor intensive jobs?

  131. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bias annoys me too... But if you read Slashdot or Reddit you won't get that impression at all, due to the biased story selection and editing.

    Who mandated Slashdot or Reddit to be neutral?

  132. Article a troll by Maguscrowley · · Score: 1

    After reviewing the comments, I began to wonder: Is it possible that the article itself here is a troll with the purpose of generating a deluge of opinionated argument?

    Then I went back to trying to level on http://www.overthewire.org/wargames/vortex/

  133. us exports by sleepdev · · Score: 1

    As a nation dependent on imports to sustain our lifestyles and livelihood it is important to keep in mind our role in the global economy. Name a major US export of your choice and explain why this industry would fare best under your administration. Preferably choose an export that accounts for a net profit: i.e. though we do produce oil we consume far more.

  134. Propping up "free" markets by copponex · · Score: 1

    Frannie and Freddie are only part of the problem. The real issue is that we removed the firewalls put in place after the Great Depression, and forgot some basic rules about the market.

    1. Self-regulation works as well in Wall Street as it does in the Mafia.
    2. Loaning to people who are unqualified is only a problem if the originator is liable in some way.
    3. In an unwatched open market, heads of corporations are not geniuses worth their hundred million dollar bonuses. They are white collar thieves with friends on the board and in high places.

    Hopefully the next generation will be smarter than us and stick with the basics. Make the loan originators responsible for the loan. Keep the heat on corporate America so they know they will be in jail if they break the law.

    Maybe they'll get even smarter and remove the corporate veil for any publicly traded company. That should keep good corporations honest and dishonest corporations small.

  135. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with the Fannie/Freddie CEO? There was no fraud... just insolvency (maybe not 100% honest but who is). They were big lobbyists, as you might expect from a trillion dollar government-sponsored corporation, but to both dems and repubs.

  136. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't say that there's a corporate bias... per-se. I'd say that there's a bias towards people paying bills but they're not untouchable, and there's a lazy bias. Why bother writing an article or putting a piece together if you can just crib right from a press release?

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  137. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by KGIII · · Score: 1

    One of the reasons that I never use my /. mod points is that I'm not sure if I'm able to moderate in a biased manner. I do my "help" via metamoderation and that seems to be easier for me. I'm pretty sure that it is impossible for a human to be completely without bias even when striving to remain completely objective. As a liberal (not Democrat) the bias upsets me to some extent but I figure it is perfectly normal and as this is a site for communication more than unbiased news I really don't mind it that much.

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  138. Metric System Conversion by rdytorave · · Score: 1

    When, if ever, do you foresee the U.S. converting to the Metric System?

  139. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by EatHam · · Score: 1

    Reality has no bias. But I do, and I think Stephen Colbert is overly worried about bear threats.

  140. Liar. by gr8scot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You lie:

    Take, for example, the Fannie/Freddie debacle. Consider that Obama had 2 corrupt former CEOs of Fannie as economic advisors, one of which was the head of his VP search committee.

    The truth is that although Jim Johnson was a CEO at Fannie Mae before becoming a leader of Barack Obama's VP search committee, he has not been convicted of any crime, but Obama accepted Johnson's resignation from the Presidential campaign anyway. In June, you hypocrite. Jim Johnson has also not been even accused of any crimes, just smeared for being associated with a corporation which operated in the lawless environment introduced by Gramm-Leach-Biley. Compare to Carly Fiorina, who was personally responsible for making a mess out of Hewlett-Packard. Johnson didn't sign Gramm-Leach-Biley into law. Measured by stock price, Fiorina was, in the eyes of the investors with enough previous financial success to determine stock prices, personally responsible for Hewlett-Packard's problems. If we're going to spend $700 Billion bailing out the country's wealthiest investors, we had better trust their judgment enough to uphold their verdict on Carleton S. Fiorina: as toxic as a portfolio full of foreclosed mortgages.

    Former Fannie Mae executive Jim Johnson, who was a leader of the vice presidential search committee for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, resigned from that unpaid position today amid criticisms that Johnson represented a world of influence and special interests that stood in stark contrast with what Obama's campaign purports to stand for.
    ...
    "We don't need any lectures from a campaign that waited fifteen months to purge the lobbyists from their staff, and only did so because they said it was a 'perception problem,'" said Obama campaign spokesperson Bill Burton.

    And Franklin Raines was never any kind of adviser to Obama at all.

    The Obama campaign issued a statement by Raines on Thursday night insisting, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters." Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, saying in an e-mail that the campaign had "neither sought nor received" advice from Raines "on any matter."

    [If Raines offered Obama advice that was not sought, a lying sack of excrement might argue that Obama nevertheless "received" that advice, but unless that advice was the basis of subsequent action, we use the colloquialism that the advice was not "taken," thus anybody describing Raines as an advisor to Obama is a lying sack of excrement.]

    Unless you have proof that Raines' statement above is a lie, you committed libel by asserting that he had ever been one of Barack Obama's "economic advisors."

    So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth.

    99% cloth, but not completely whole cloth. The "supposed Obama-Raines connection" is not quite pure fabrication by the same standard that the statement "you are a violin" has a basis in fact, when addressed to a person calling itself "Stradivarius." The only connection to fact is extremely tenuous, and we all know that the statement "you are a violin" is a falsehood. Your accusation is no more honest, just less humorous.

    McCain spokesman Brian Rogers points to three items in the Washington Post in July and August. It turns out that

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    1. Re:Liar. by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

      Let's take a deep breath here. No need to go name-calling without cause.

      We can argue over how bad/close the association with Franklin Raines is. But note that the Washington Post stood by their reporting, and even Raines is not denying, that Raines took calls from the Obama campaign to give advice on "general housing, economy issues".

      Once the furor erupted, they were quick to distance themselves from each other, and say he was never an official advisor. I couldn't care less whether he had an official status. If they're asking for the opinions of a shady character like Raines, that says something about their judgment.

      Re: James Johnson, it's true he wasn't fined millions like Raines. But neither is he a paragon of virtue. The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight found that when he was CEO, Fannie improperly deferred millions of expenses, allowing Johnson to reap a 1.9 million dollar bonus he otherwise would not have received. Either he knew about that (in which case "corrupt" is apt) or didn't, in which case he was simply asleep at the helm. Take your pick.

    2. Re:Liar. by gr8scot · · Score: 1

      Re: James Johnson, it's true he wasn't fined millions like Raines. But neither is he a paragon of virtue.

      Neither is that required to contribute to political campaigns. But to treat a person as "guilty," proof is required. Although this is not a court of law, good manners still require telling the truth about people, if you say anything about them at all.

      Let's take a deep breath here. No need to go name-calling without cause.

      I'm perfectly calm and rational, and I call you "liar" with good cause. You are a liar, as I've explained, and may explain again until you tell the truth or stop speaking. Take your pick.

      "If you don't stop lying about me, I may have to start telling the truth about you." ~Abraham Lincoln

      We can argue over how bad/close the association with Franklin Raines is.

      Anybody may contribute to a political campaign, either money or labor. Receiving a call "from the Obama campaign" by itself implies no closer connection than that Raines first offered his resources or self-described "expertise." No credible evidence has yet been published of any "association" beyond returning a phone call. Another plausible explanation is that, having tarnished his own reputation, Raines sought to improve the public perception of him by seeming to have some "association" with Barack Obama, who among non-bigots is known for his strong character. These scenarios I've concocted are of course no more supported by fact than your sinister assumptions -- but more importantly, no less so, either. The liberal bias of which you whine is a fabrication of corrupt corporatist/fascists and bigots, who pursue a culture in which Liberal values, especially universal individual rights, are replaced by your own biases and insider pull-peddling. Credible journalists let this story rest when they could not find a credible source.

      McCain's ties to the fiend Phil Gramm, of Gramm-Leach-Biley infamy, are documented and proven. I do not gladly suffer fools who slander the best man in this contest, for associating with local campaign personnel who have the decency to return a phone call. You have no proof nor reasonable suspicion of any more relationship with Raines than that, so the unequal treatment of Obama's alleged "association" with corrupt lobbyists compared to McCain's proven, continuing employment of corrupt lobbyists is not a matter of media bias, but of truly unequal moral stature, as proven by the actions of the two candidates. McCain has earned all the bad press he's gotten, and Obama has certainly gotten at least as much scrutiny of his "associations" as warranted by the facts.

      Crybaby.

      But note that the Washington Post stood by their reporting,

      ...of Raines' uncorroborated statements. That publication is responsible enough to note the lack of corroboration, and to pursue additional sources for that purpose, and then to drop the story when no corroboration could be found. Fox News does not have nearly such an honest policy.

      ... and even Raines is not denying,

      Given your characterization of Raines as a "shady character," his reputation stands to be improved by any association, or perceived association, with Barack Obama. What motive he might have to definitively and unambiguously disclaim such an association is unclear, even if no association ever existed. The air of ambiguity he has allowed to remain is optimal for keeping his name in the news, and scrutiny about him not directly on him.

      that Raines took calls from the Obama campaign to give advice on "general housing, economy issues".

      Funny, though, that he won't or can't name an individual who placed phone calls to him, allegedly "from the Obama campaign." As my mother says of 3-ring phone hangups and blank answering machine messages, "It must no

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    3. Re:Liar. by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

      I'm perfectly calm and rational, and I call you "liar" with good cause. You are a liar, as I've explained, and may explain again until you tell the truth or stop speaking. Take your pick.

      If you think I'm mistaken, that's one thing. If you think I'm deliberately misleading people, that would be a case of lying. You have demonstrated absolutely no evidence to back up your assertion that I'm lying. Which leads me to believe that your goal is simply to make those with whom you disagree "stop speaking". Very illiberal of you.

      McCain's ties to the fiend Phil Gramm, of Gramm-Leach-Biley infamy

      Ah yes, the Gramm-Leach-Biley law, signed into law by Bill Clinton. Innuendo on your part does not prove any misdeeds on the part of either Gramm or McCain.

      McCain's proven, continuing employment of corrupt lobbyists

      For someone concerned with slandering "the best man in this contest", you seem willing to do so with abandon. There is no evidence that the folks McCain employed were ever engaged in any corrupt activity.

      If you want to go into guilt-by-association, Obama's far more vulnerable than McCain. Just look at Jeremiah Wright, after whose sermons Obama named his book. Or his real estate dealings with Tony Rezko. Those might be a little harder to explain away.

    4. Re:Liar. by gr8scot · · Score: 1

      If you want to go into guilt-by-association

      Nice try, but the association of the candidates with "corrupt former CEOs" of federally-subsidized lobbying/lending institutions was the first topic you opened as an example of liberal media bias. I only disproved what you said about that topic, with a few pertinent counterexamples.

      Ah yes, the Gramm-Leach-Biley law, signed into law by Bill Clinton. Innuendo on your part does not prove any misdeeds on the part of either Gramm or McCain.

      I will not take your "Bill Clinton" bait. Gramm-Leach-Biley was a bad bill, and everybody who supported it was wrong to do so, including the self-described "social liberal & fiscal conservative" who was too little of both for my liking. Now, back on-topic, what "innuendo"? Once you introduced the subject of associations of candidates for President with "corrupt former CEOs" of federally-subsidized lobbying/lending institutions the cause of the current financial crisis is 100% apropos. If you have honestly had trouble understanding why my references to Gramm are rebuttal, not diversion, you are an utter moron. The press is right to highlight that scumbag's track record of prioritizing corporatist gluttony over citizens' liberty and the general welfare.

      If you think I'm mistaken, that's one thing. If you think I'm deliberately misleading people, that would be a case of lying. You have demonstrated absolutely no evidence to back up your assertion that I'm lying.

      Incorrect. You first asserted that the relatively brief press scrutiny of Barack Obama's associations with the two peripheral [to the Obama campaign] supporters, former adviser Johnson, and supporter-of-no-proven-status-whatsoever-in-the-campaign Raines, demonstrate the tired old GOP gripe of a "liberal media bias" in comparison to the relatively long intervals of press scrutiny of McCain's ongoing employment of Rick Davis as his campaign manager while "Davis's lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, also received monthly payments of $15,000 from Freddie Mac as recently as August." Unequal treatment of similar cases would indicate bias, but as I have already explained, and you have not disputed, the unequal scrutiny of the two candidates' associations with "corrupt former CEOs" of federally-subsidized lobbying/lending institutions is due to dissimilarity, not to bias. Now pay attention. I did not waste my time on your tangents about media commentary about racism in McCain's ad about Raines nor about the sex ed program to include "age appropriate" instruction in avoiding pedophilic predators. I went straight to the crux of your whining, "that Obama had 2 corrupt former CEOs of Fannie as economic advisors, one of which was [briefly] the head of his VP search committee. We didn't hear about that until McCain ran ads about it. And then, did the media focus on the story?" Obama promptly severed those two ties, to Raines and Johnson, as I have already explained. McCain was more scrutinized, true, but not because of media bias. He continues to be suspect as a result of his continuing employment of Rick Davis, as vivid summary of McCain's 26-year-long record of unwavering support of voodoo economics: the superstition that in high finance, rule of law equals government abuse of the rights of the wealthy, when in fact it is the valid purpose of the United States government as set forth in its charter documents, protection of the rights of the individual against tyranny, whether by government itself or powerful private parties. To Gramm and McCain and their ilk, "unregulated free markets" are the euphemism for anarchy, dominance by the powerful and lazy, financially elite

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  141. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

    wow, how subjective and wrong.

    Governor Senator.

    One person governed a state with a very low population, a massive influx of money from the oil trade, and the least divisive population in the US. Governorship of Alaska is a sinecure.

    The other was on the floor of the most important legislative house in the country, debating affairs which affected the entire nation from mundane budgetary concerns to whether or not we send troops into another nation and kill other human beings.

    And managed to a do a fine job of avoiding voting on controversial issues. In an executive position, you can't vote present. You actually have to make a decision. One is a leader, and the other is a follower.

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  142. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Sj0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you honestly think another Republican president is what we need, you don't know shit about Republican presidents. Ford, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, for longer than most slashdotters have been alive, Republican presidents have meant massive budget defecits and massive debt increases. Now, under a Republican president, we're looking at another 700 billion dollars ON TOP OF budgets which make the current president the biggest spender in American history -- a Republican!

    They say reality has a well-known liberal bias. I disagree with this. Reality has a well-known anti-Republican bias. Conservatives have been crying for decades that these spendaholics are going around redefining conservative as "reckless and irresponsible to the point of bankrupting the nation".

    And if you think it'll be any different because it's John McCain, you're an idiot. McCain is running on a platform that's substantially similar to the platform that the spendaholic Bush 2 ran on in 2000. He's ducked his tail between his legs on many positions in order to get the nomination, and once he's behind the desk, he's going to continue to be a weak leader.

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  143. Strange selection by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

    You've inadvertently brought to surface the contradictory nature of beliefs on this site. People like government control when it is convenient for them and will not impact their existing services that are the result of government control, and people hate government control when it inconveniences them. You'll see this in any forum. Here, people are for net neutrality, public science funding, etc, but are also for reducing the power of the FCC, space flight privatization, etc.

    What you've got to realize is that any government control of economic markets like this is going to be detrimental in the long run, regardless of how convenient it is right now. What you also must realize is that if people merely demand better service, they will get it, completely without government control (provided that government restrictions don't exist to prevent those better services from coming about). Net neutrality should be inevitable, however it is not going to happen under the current system, whereby government restriction maintains draconian monopolies.

  144. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Sj0 · · Score: 1

    Hey, don't blame me. I voted for [Guy who has no chance of winning]. If only [Guy who has no chance of winning] got in, things would change, but America is [prejorative], and will never have a leader like [Guy who has no chance of winning], and arguably doesn't deserve one.

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  145. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Sj0 · · Score: 1

    It's not so bad! I know she like cookies and hates terrorism and Barack Obama!

    I know this because that's her response to every question.

    Q:"Please tell us about what you did as governor of Alaska."

    A:"I hate terrorism, and Barack Obama, who isn't experienced enough to be president!"

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  146. Prison vs. Drug Treatment--the economics. by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It costs about half a million dollars to put a single drug user in prison, which includes $150,000 for arrest and prosecution, about $150,000 for a new prison cell, and about $30,000 per year times at least five years. For the same cost we can provide treatment or education for more than one hundred people. Which do you think is the better deal?

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  147. Torture & warrantless spying policies are trea by gr8scot · · Score: 1

    The White House has committed egregious violations of the Constitution and democratic principles vital to the republic including wiretaps without warrants, withholding classified documents attached to those directives from House Congressional representatives including those on the Homeland Security Committee [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ByoqZqDGaA&feature=related], and approval of torture in violation of the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit torture even of terrorists. [http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-interrogate25-2008sep25,0,1828234.story] The Bush Administration's instructions to commit torture are violations of any participating Executive Branch officials' oaths to uphold the Constitution.

    What will you commit to doing to hold Condoleezza Rice, Alberto Gonzales, John Ashcroft, David Addington, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and any other participants accountable for this crime? Will you consider charging any or all with treason?

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  148. Re:Flamebait? Really? by Cowmonaut · · Score: 1
    Glad they modded you out of flamebait. The Bible really does say that.

    If it were me the answer would be simple: The Bible may or may not be the 'Word of God' but either way it was written by man.

    Note also that only Peter out of the Apostles wanted an organized Church with central power. None of the rest thought that Jesus would of wanted that.

    I don't care if your Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever. Everyone can appreciate what Jesus Christ allegedly came down to Earth to teach:

    Everyone love each other, and care for each other.

    The world would be a *far* better place if they did that rather than kill each other over how he said it or kill each other because some paragraph could possibly be twisted into saying "homosexuals must die" or something.

    I'm not particularly religious anymore, but I used to be. Some sorrows are too deep for a bit of Atheism to wipe out, and just because someone believes a story to be fact when it might not be doesn't mean the moral of the story isn't a good one.

  149. Showstopper questions on drug policy... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/ACTIVIST/showstop.htm

    I have here a list of every major study of drug policy in the last fifty years. Every one of them recommended decriminalization. Do you agree that the overwhelming weight of the scholarly evidence on drug policy supports decriminalization?

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    1. Re:Showstopper questions on drug policy... by brkello · · Score: 1

      Umm, that is a horrible question because they could answer yes and still be against drug legalization. Just because they agree that most of the scholarly evidence says it should be legal doesn't say anything on their position. Maybe you would have figured that out if you didn't smoke so much weed ;)

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    2. Re:Showstopper questions on drug policy... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Depending on what line of BS they try to use, you go right into one of the followup questions from the linked website:

      The first possible answer is yes, you agree.

      The second possible answer is no, you do not agree, in which case you should be able to provide a list of studies of drug policy comparable in quality and quantity to the list I have provided.

      The third possible answer is that you don't have a clue what the scholarly evidence says because you have never read the most basic research on the subject.
      Their Answer

      The answers that I have gotten to this question include:

      The scholarly evidence is not important. (From Bob Martinez, former Drug Czar)

      Is the scholarly evidence not important in science, medicine, and every other field of law? Or is it not important only when it comes to drug policy?

      I don't think anyone really knows the answer.

      Can you name any major study of drug policy which supported what we are currently doing? (They probably can't.) So we have ten major studies, including the largest studies ever conducted by the governments of the United States, Britain, and Canada, which supported decriminalization and none that supported the current policy. Wouldn't you say that is the overwhelming weight of the evidence?

      Everyone has their list of studies which they can make up to show anything they want.

      OK, so show me any comparable list of studies that you have in support of the drug war. (So far, in more than six years of debates, no opponent has ever mentioned a single major study of drug policy which supports the current drug war.)

      I don't have a clue.

      That is precisely the problem. You want to tell us what drug policy should be when you have not even bothered to read the most basic research on the subject.

      Here is a list of studies . . . .

      A few people have tried to bluff their way through by citing studies about organized crime, alcohol, or something else. They may also cite magazine articles, books by particular authors, editorials or other opinion pieces, etc. Examine each one carefully. Is it really a comprehensive study of the history and facts relating to these drug laws, or is it just one person's view? Did it consider all evidence and all views? Was it comprehensive, or was it a simple magazine article of a few pages? Did the author have an axe to grind or something to gain from the opinion expressed? Does the work contain a complete discussion of the history of the laws? Does it consider the laws in the context of similar facts about tobacco and alcohol?

      People have mentioned a lot of different things in response to this question, but none of them have met the criteria of a serious study of drug policy.
      Smokescreen

      Excuse me for interrupting, but that was not an essay question. That was multiple choice. What is your answer; yes, no, or don't have a clue?

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  150. How many millions of Americans... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    do you think we ought to put prison for drugs in order to have the best results?

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  151. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am the first to admit that conservatives tend to hyperventilate about media bias more than they should (in many cases, the bias of the mainstream media has been only mildly left, no worse than Fox's bias rightwards). But even a broken clock is right twice a day, and this is one of those times.

    Ah ha. Ah ha. Ha. After the last decade, still claiming that the media has a liberal bias is as laughable as Nader continuing to say that there really wouldn't have been a difference between a Bush presidency and a Gore presidency. As laughable as a Miramax exec still thinking passing up on Lord of the Rings was a good decision, after Peter Jackson brought New Line eleven oscars and a few billion dollars.

    If the media has such a liberal bias, why did they hate Al Gore's guts back in 2000, while giving Bush a free pass on his business failures, especially Harken Energy (a mountain next to the molehill of Whitewater)? They were so busy inventing Gore "fib factor" stories they didn't pay any attention to when Bush took credit for passing HMO legislation that he actually vetoed as governor of Texas:

    Touting his support for a patients' bill of rights in the third debate (10/17/00), Bush said: "As a matter of fact, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to do just that in the state of Texas, to get a patients' bill of rights through." In fact, Governor Bush vetoed the Patients' Bill of Rights the Texas State Legislature passed in 1995. When it was passed again in 1997, the bill's support was strong enough to withstand his threatened veto (New York Times, 10/18/00).

    If the media has such a liberal bias, why was it so gung ho on the Iraq war? In 2002-2003, the media conversation was dominated by neocons and pro-war hawks. What has changed since then, long after the public has turned against the war? Now the conversation is dominated by pro-war hawks, some of whom now think "mistakes were made" in the occupation, not that invading was a mistake in the first place. Those who were right that the war would be a disaster are as excluded from the media narrative today as they were in 2003.

    And finally, just to put this turd to bed once and for all, compare representatives Gary Condit and Joe Scarborough. In May 2001, Gary Condit's aide, Chandra Levy, went missing. For months, the press obsessed over it, the allegations that he was having an affair and that he might have had something to do with her disappearance. Her body turned up in a park, and while no connection to Condit was found, he eventually admitted to having an affair with her.

    In July 2001, Joe Scarborough's aide Lori Klausutis turned up dead, in his office, of blunt force trauma to the head. Dead. In his office. OF BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA TO THE HEAD. No scandal, no media obsession.

    Now, try and tell us again with a straight face that the media has a liberal bias.

    No - they attacked McCain for supposedly running a racist ad (apparently you can't mention close associations with corrupt CEOs if they happen to be black).

    Um, because it was? The CEO in the ad has no connection whatsoever to Obama, but is black. The CEO that did actually have a connection to Obama is white, but was not in the ad. So do, please, explain how that ad was not racist. McCain's ads are littered with code and dog whistles. Watch his "The One" ad and pay attention to the subtext of Obama being a false prophet - aka the anti-Christ. No, I'm not kidding. Or his celebrity ad, which juxtaposes footage of Obama, two pretty white girls (Britney Spears and Paris Hilton) and phallic symbols like the Washington Monument and the Tower of Piza. Now, you might be able to make a case for the Washingto

  152. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Sj0 · · Score: 1

    At least Barack Obama knows what "Bush Doctrine" is.

    For Sarah Palin NOT to know what it is, she must've skipped her own party's debates! Is the sort of person who would skip the presidental primaries for her OWN PARTY really the sort of person we want running the country?

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  153. Senator Obama,

    I am a middle class American taxpayer. I believe I spend my money more intelligently than a Government, so I'm voting for the candidate who will really lower my taxes. Both yourself and your opponent pledge to do so.

    My question is, how can you lower taxes while drastically increasing funding into socialized health care?

    1. Re:Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually believe a democrat will lower taxes you should seek treatment. Democrats are socialists wrapped in the flag to prevent you from seeing who they really are. They are about "redistribution" which to them will "level the playing field" and promote "diversity".

      What it really begets is adversity for those who "dont fit the description".

      WHEN HAVE DEMOCRATS EVER LOWERED TAXES???

      Never Never Never

  154. FISA culpability by 0p7imu5_P2im3 · · Score: 1

    More importantly, why did you vote for the FISA bill when you clearly and explicitly stated that you would not vote for any bill that gave telecom companies the possibility of immunity from repercussions for their illegal actions?

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  155. How do we know you won't abuse the office? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering the abuses of power that George W. Bush has committed during his time in office, why should I believe that either Obama or McCain won't abuse the office as Bush got away with doing? Why should I trust either of you?

  156. Why FISA, Obama? Lies, lies, and more lies? by 0p7imu5_P2im3 · · Score: 1

    Why did you vote for the FISA bill when you clearly and explicitly stated that you would not vote for any bill that gave telecom companies the possibility of immunity from repercussions for their illegal actions?

    I was actually convinced that Obama was for change in government. I thought he wanted to hold all politicians accountable for their actions. But then he showed that he was just saying these things with no intentions of actually following through by voting for a FISA bill for which he expressly denied he would ever vote. I'm not stupid enough to think that McCain is a better pick, but clearly Obama is just more of the same politician-type: Say whatever they want to hear, and then do whatever you want.

    I want to hear his response to my question, because it may get him my vote back.

    Until then, I'll probably write in Ralph Nader.

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  157. Re:Since when to SMALL investors worry about cg ta by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    But that's probably because I work, rather than living off investments.

    As John Edwards said, Republicans believe in taxing work, not wealth.

  158. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

    Please mod this as funny.

    I don't think Palin is qualified for her job as Governor of Alaska.

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  159. Re:Flamebait? Really? by operagost · · Score: 1

    Note also that only Peter out of the Apostles wanted an organized Church with central power.

    Proof text?

    I don't care if your Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever. Everyone can appreciate what Jesus Christ allegedly came down to Earth to teach:

    Everyone love each other, and care for each other.

    Lev 19:18 "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."
    Matt 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

    The world would be a *far* better place if they did that rather than kill each other over how he said it or kill each other because some paragraph could possibly be twisted into saying "homosexuals must die" or something.

    Lev 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    The idea of capital punishment for homosexuality is definitely subject to debate considering what Jesus said about the coming Kingdom, but no "twisting" of the text is required.
    I'm just reproducing the text; no flames please. In the USA, we're still allowed (for now) to post excerpts from the Bible without being prosecuted for committing thought crimes... er, I mean hate crimes.

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  160. Gas "Blends" by s31523 · · Score: 1

    Do you feel that the 20 or so different gasoline blends is partially to blame for our high gas prices?

  161. How to get more smart people into government? by altoz · · Score: 1

    Senators, both of you have advocated getting more people to serve and to reform government of waste. I would like to know how you plan to get the smart people into government? What incentives are you going to put there in order to make government jobs not just for people that can't do anything else?

  162. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Except that intelligence people know that Fannie and Freddie didn't have anything to do with our current problems.

    They were just in trouble because their assets (aka, all the home loans they own) declined in value.

    They aren't even having a high level of foreclosures, because all their guaranteed loans are prime. They were just unable to back all their promises to repay the securities if their loans fail, and this fact was screwing up the market.

    They are not the causes of the current problems, they are not even major players in it. They're basically victims of the housing bubble...we created them to hold good mortgages, and apparently didn't realize that they'd be SOL if housing prices ever decreased rapidly, that they'd end up in a legally untenable position where they couldn't cover their guarantees.

    There's certainly no malfeasance on their part. (Actually, one of the former Freddie CEOs is under investigation, IIRC, but it's unrelated to anything that's going on, it's for minor corruption like not reporting gifts or something.)

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  163. Is anyone else sick and tired of the spin? by bledri · · Score: 1

    Attention mud slingers of the world:

    You know that really intense feeling you get when someone says something that is obviously a pile of bullshit? You know that other feeling you get when someone points out how stupid someone else is? Guess what, your pre-frontal cortex is not involved in either feeling. It's just a feeling, not the TRUTH that you are mystically plugged into.

    The world is not black and white (nor is it red and blue). These "questions" don't deserve answers and if you would open your mind and investigate these claims honestly you would discover plenty of culpability to go around.

    I have a suggestion that I suspect would actually make the world a better place, but requires work. Everyone should hold their own party to the standards they accuse the "other" party of violating. I'm serious.

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  164. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

    Former CEOs are not automatically corrupt. Read up on Franklin Raines before you accuse me of knee-jerk leftism.

    When federal regulators take you to court for accounting irregularities, including the shifting of Fannie Mae's losses so that you and other executives could "earn" large bonuses, and as a result you pay millions in fines and forfeit millions of your previous compensation... I think it's safe to call that a case of corruption.

    Regarding your NY Times article - sure, McCain has a lobbyist working for him who also worked for Fannie/Freddie. But it's one thing to be a hired advocate for a firm - that's what lawyers and lobbyists do. It's another thing to be running the company.

  165. Student Credit Issues by tbannist · · Score: 1

    To both Senators.

    Many students just entering college are presented with easy access to credit and credit cards, in fact, lending institutions are usually present on campus and offering prizes to anyone who signs up with them. The may be an understatement, but often students don't understand the serious consequences of the debts accrued with credit. Should anything that should be done about these practices or should we hold students entering college to be responsible for mistakes made out of ignorance?

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  166. Keep educating by Quila · · Score: 1

    Seriously. How does the minority party in Congress and the Senate kill anything?

    Nothing happens in an approximate 50/50 Senate unless one of the following situations exists: Both parties want it to happen, or approximately 1/3 of one party defects to the other side to create the supermajority needed for cloture.

    Unless I'm mistaken, you would need bi-partisan opposition to kill it.

    You only need one out of 100 senators to set the stage for the kill, then only 2/3 of his own party to go along in order to kill it. A filibuster isn't necessary, just threaten. None of this even counts committees. After the Democrats took over in 2006 they killed a McCain attempt to reform in committee.

    It's irritating especial when this is blamed on Bush. The Bush administration has pressed Congress for reform of this system every year he's been in office except 2006, over a dozen pleas to Congress ignored.

    1. Re:Keep educating by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      yeah.. that unitary government through bush's first term really opposed him.

      You're full of it!

      I'll say it again, minutes or it didn't happen!

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  167. Re:Flamebait? Really? by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

    Lev 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    The idea of capital punishment for homosexuality is definitely subject to debate considering what Jesus said about the coming Kingdom, but no "twisting" of the text is required.

    No twisting of the text is required but twisting of the context definately is.

  168. The questions they never ask: by mmalove · · Score: 1

    As the President of the United States, do you anticipate difficulty making ends meet on a 400,000 dollar salary?

    or

    How do you reconcile Congress's 25% approval rating with their yearly self appointed pay raise?
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-09-Raise-me_N.htm
    Do you expect a similar adjustment to their pay in the coming year?

    here's one:

    In the light of the current credit crisis, it is often stated that we have to bail out our financial market, or terrible things will happen. Can you help us understand, in terms of human lives lost per dollar saved, the decisions behind Katrina, universal health care, Iraq, immigration reform, and the bailout of the financial sector?

    Yea yea, I violated the one question per post rule, but I doubt they'd post these anyways.

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  169. Disenfranchised Americans by Cu · · Score: 1

    Please describe any objections you have to the citizens of Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico having no voting representation in Congress and any remedies you propose for those objections.

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  170. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Stradivarius · · Score: 1

    I don't recall the media hating Gore's guts. But they were certainly skeptical of many of his claims, and not completely without justification, given his involvement with Clinton's scandals. Though in hindsight we might wish they gave Bush a harder time.

    If the media has such a liberal bias, why was it so gung ho on the Iraq war?

    Because whatever biases it has, the press also tends to be gullible about any sensational claims about risks to public safety. They don't tend to question the "authorities" when said authorities are providing a good story. This will generally override any liberal leaning they have - which IMO is why news stories about "warrantless wiretapping" quickly morphed into stories about the "terrorist surveillance program", and from there into obscurity.

    So do, please, explain how that ad was not racist

    Because taking note of Obama's celebrity is not racist. It is traditional for Republicans to paint Democrats as elitists. Obama's own words and actions have played right into that elitist stereotype. There's nothing wrong with highlighting that in an ad, and certainly nothing racial. Showing him in places like Washington and foreign countries is meant to reinforce this "out of touch" image.

    Taking Obama's campaign to task for their "disrespectful" treatment of Palin is not racist. It was a response to Obama's belittling a Governor as being just a "small-town mayor". These ads were not racial in character - if anything, it was an attempt to connect with women who saw Obama's primary campaign against Hillary Clinton as sexist.

    I think we need to be very careful about throwing charges of racism or sexism around. I had hoped that the ugliness of the Democratic primary would have shown everyone that. It was almost comical, except that it was so sad, to see Hillary and Obama's partisans throwing accusations of racism and sexism back and forth, with very little basis in reality. I really don't think either one of them was trying to be racist or sexist, but their partisans seemed to think so. Which makes me think these ads are somewhat of a Rorschach test - how folks view the ad is more a function of their personal sensitivities than of the ad itself.

  171. Re:Baking by daemonenwind · · Score: 1

    Just one problem.

    In 1995, the Congress changed the Community Reinvestment Act, requiring bakers to make a certain percentage of their bread to sell to people who couldn't otherwise afford it. We'll call it waybread. Congress said, don't worry about the risk, we'll buy whatever waybread doesn't go, but we have to do it through a shell game, so we'll get our friends Fanny and Freddy to buy it all.

    But that's not all. If Bakers wanted to merge, or open a new storefront, or just buy more yeast, they had to meet that percentage, or the Regulators of Baking wouldn't let them.

    Now, you could sell this waybread on a market. So if you made more then you needed to meet the percentage the Regulators of Baking demanded, you could sell it.

    Some bakers didn't operate in areas where people bought waybread at all. So they bought big lots of this waybread, which drove demand for it up and made it more valuable then it should have been. Even foreign Bakers bought it up, knowing they could resell it for more than they bought it for.

    But then, the waybread started going bad. Really bad. So everyone looked for Fanny and Freddy to buy it. But they couldn't afford to, the Congress had demanded too much be made.

    The lesson is, when you want your Congress to make an industry behave by Communist central planning, be ready for it to flop like a centrally-planned economy. It's kind of hard to blame the Bakers for doing what they were required to do by Congress. Especially since they've been fighting it all along, and were criticized by the nut-gathering group Acorn, and others, for fighting the standards. The Bakers, you see, understood the risk involved.

    It's not the cookies and loaves of bread that are rotting, it's just the waybread. And now we're stuck with a whole lot of rotten waybread.

  172. ONE question by chaosmind · · Score: 1

    What do you plan to do about global poverty?

  173. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1

    The Fannie Mae CEO in the ad that McCain linked to Obama was not associated with Obama's campaign. They had like one conversation before Obama even started running. He was black though. And since James Johnson the (white) head of Obama's VP Vetting committee had closer ties to Fannie Mae, it made no sense for them to try to pursue this tenuous connection when there was a much closer one there. Some people saw this is racism, but Obama never said as much.

    McCain's campaign has Fannie Mae's former head lobbyist (Aquiles Suarez) and many others with much more direct connections, so his charges against Obama are pretty lame and he's lucky that he didn't get called out more so be careful what you wish for.

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  174. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1

    Too bad Raines has nothing to do with Obama's campaign.

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  175. Abortion by cynagh0st · · Score: 1

    Dear Presidential Candidate McCain,

    If a bill making abortion not associated with incest or rape a federal crime were to come across your desk as president, would you sign it into law?

  176. How is this a Youth Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when (I'd assume) the average age of Slashdotters is well above any idea of "youth"? Or are we talking about mental ages (sorry, cheap shot =)

    Isn't online involvement seen as spanning most ages? Or has Slashdot claimed itself as some kind of nerdy teen haven, just to get some questions into the debates?

  177. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by infonography · · Score: 1

    this isn't just some lobbyist, this guy is his campaign manager. Bit of a difference.

    This guy is a lot closer then just an employee

    Thick as thieves is an apt description.

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  178. Cabinet by DrWho520 · · Score: 1

    Will you form a non-partisan cabinet? Will you cabinet have members not only from the Republican and Democratic parties, but also from the Green, Independent or Libertarian parties?

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  179. Re:Flamebait? Really? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Lev 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    The idea of capital punishment for homosexuality is definitely subject to debate considering what Jesus said about the coming Kingdom, but no "twisting" of the text is required.

    Yah, just take it out of context.

    Hint: the Law (Leviticus, the Old Testament in general) is binding on Jews, it is NOT binding on Christianity. Christians got a new deal with God. Hence the phrase "New Testament".

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  180. You're both right by Quila · · Score: 1

    I knew that people might not understand where we stand economically, but to look at the long chain of events that caused this mess and think that there should be more deregulation is really impressively blind.

    The deregulation we need is to stop regulating finance with political correctness. There's a reason why you charge a higher interest rate to a poor family living on the wrong side of the tracks -- they are a higher risk. Seriously, duh. But Clinton put the CRA on steroids, highly pressuring banks to make loans in very risky areas just because they had black demographics.

    But we do need more, or at least much better, regulation to prevent fraud and dangerously insufficient assets.

    1. Re:You're both right by Underfoot · · Score: 1

      I completely agree that a "poor family" is higher risk and should be treated as such. However, the problem that forced the CRA was not that underwriting guidelines were being based on income (which is entirely reasonable); the problem was that underwriting was being based on location. So that family on "the wrong side of the tracks" can work hard, save money, but still can not move to the "right side of the tracks" without the undo-burden of additional interest points on the loan. Likewise, urban renewal projects that pass underwriting guidelines based on ROI projections etc., and attempt to make "the wrong side of the tracks" more palatable and productive were being turned down or charged uncalled for rate points based on the location of the development.

      The CRA was put in place to make sure the same underwriting guidelines apply to the guy in a McMansion making $X a year with $Y assets on hand, and the guy in the neighborhood he grew up in (that might now be on the seedy side) making $X a year with $Y assets on hand.

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  181. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Artifakt · · Score: 1

    Eisenhower was the one who coined the phrase "military-industrial complex".
    Richard Nixon was for at least some price controls, and a guarenteed minimum income.
    Ronald Reagan once said that persuit of higher profits was much more likely to really screw up the economy than persuit of higher wages.
    The pendulum has swung very far to the right already, that all of those individuals now seem positioned to the left of it.

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  182. YBCsteve by YBCsteve · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    Great thread - it's refreshing to read so many insightful and/or amusing posts!!

    I realise this is a little bit off-topic, but I need some help.

    I'm with an online business TV network called yourBusinessChannel, and we're looking to collect opinion on Obama and McCain's performances as persuasive communicators during the debate on Friday.

    Ask yourself - politics aside, who would you buy a used car off?

    yourBusinessChannel produces short internet business TV shows providing advice to business people and entrepreneurs on all aspects of business.

    We are currently producing a series which focuses on how to be really persuasive when making business and sales presentations.

    I've been reading the comments thread on this blog and have been impressed with the level of discussion here - so I'd love any or all of you to reply to this post with your views and opinions...

    I want to know - in your opinion - which candidate:
    - Had the most persuasive tone of voice?
    - Made best use of body language?
    - Seemed genuinely passionate about their message?
    - Used humour to good effect?
    - Showed total mastery of policy details?
    - Rebutted his opponent most convincingly, and dealt best with criticism?
    - Was relaxed and confident in making off the cuff comments?
    - Avoided major faux pas and screw-ups?
    - Came across as a real human being, not a robot regurgitating talking points?

    ...why do you think so?

    cheers,

    Steve Kerr

  183. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    I don't recall the media hating Gore's guts.

    So you are either very young or didn't pay attention to the media's coverage of the 2000 election. At all. And yet you were convinced that there was a liberal bias in the media. Huh, interesting.

    But they were certainly skeptical of many of his claims, and not completely without justification

    Their justification was: they didn't like him personally. And we've suffered enormously because of their high school click mentality.

    given his involvement with Clinton's scandals

    Such as.

    They don't tend to question the "authorities" when said authorities are providing a good story.

    They manage to question Democrats just fine. And if there aren't questions to be asked, they'll invent them from whole cloth, as they did with the Gore "invented the Internet" story, the "Love Canal" story, the "Love Story" story, and so on.

    Because taking note of Obama's celebrity is not racist.

    Straw man. No one was saying McCain's attacks on Obama's "celebrity" is racist, but it is massively hypocritical given McCain's popularity with the press and making cameos for 24 on Fox.

    Obama's own words and actions have played right into that elitist stereotype.

    [Citation needed]

    Taking Obama's campaign to task for their "disrespectful" treatment of Palin is not racist.

    It absolutely was, ask a southerner about it some time. More so since they were flat-out lying when they said Obama's "lipstick" comment was in reference to Palin.

    It was almost comical, except that it was so sad, to see Hillary and Obama's partisans throwing accusations of racism and sexism back and forth, with very little basis in reality.

    Racism, yes, sexism no. Hillary attacked Obama for not "winning white, blue collar workers" when he cleaned her clock in overwhelmingly white states like Iowa, Utah and North Dakota. They also joined with the rest of the hack media and Republicans in obsessing over the Rev. Wright nontroversy. Whereas I haven't yet met a Hillbot that's been able to point out a single media meme attacking Hillary's candidacy based on her gender.

  184. Re:Very telling Slashdot editor by brkello · · Score: 1

    Right, because all Obama brings to the table is "cool". Seriously, I know it is easier to not think and just vote along party lines...but I am really tired of seeing someone I didn't vote for ruin this country. McCain is just a continuation of the neo-cons failed philosophy. Bring back the old Republican party :(

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  185. A way to pay for the mess on Wall Street: by glarbl_blarbl · · Score: 1
    Last year we spent about $10 billion locking up nearly 900,000 people for cannabis-related crimes.

    Instead of enriching criminal enterprises and failing to keep drugs away from children, why don't we abolish the Federal Controlled Substances Act? It would (at least) halve the murder rate, and generate billions of dollars in tax revenue -- not to mention alleviating the most racist policy failure since slavery.

    Tax and regulate drugs -- for the children!

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  186. For Senator Obama by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Let's skip all of the nonsense...

    If "when does life begin" is "above your pay grade", how can we trust your judgement on anything else?

    LK

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  187. What will they do? by flipperdoo · · Score: 1

    What are the key objectives for the first 6 months in office, that's my question.