But in todays world where consumers either don't research or have access to good research the idea of having a huge performance diffrence being any diffrent from a small one?
Intel and Amd have fallen into a game of releasing microscopic advancements to pass each other. It's easier and it offers the long term potential of selling chips.
There aren't many doublings in power left before people just don't need anymore power.
For the average user who doesn't need to compile code there is already way too much power for basic apps.
Well pirated movies will probably get higher possible resolution out of this.
And maybe they'll start being consistently encoded to fit 1 on a 4.7 Gig DVD or 2 in 4.7 or somehting like this and motivate them to stop encoding for the 700 mb traditional pirate format.
Look dude if your country wants to embrace socialism fine do it the rest of the world is in awe of your stupid war spending. But if the U.S. government thinks that it can spend more on warfare and the world will make up for it's lacks it's got another thing coming.
The people who are doing this while they might be American want to change the world and primarily that means giving people options other than working for rich foreign investors whether that is selling crops, buying technology, getting health care or anything else.
Wait wait, I know where he's coming from. I'm in the market for a beat up sedan to grow pot in but none of the review sites show what frequencies the roof lights put out.
DirectX X will drop a lot of legacy concepts perhaps the Linux community will be able to emulate this one better and we really will see an end of MS this time.
Amd has recently gotten into some shenanigans releasing it's X2 line at $400+ while Intel kept releasing $250 chips.
Conroe is going into Dells Dell doesn't want to put 4800+s in he wants 3800s (equivalent)
AMD just managed to scrape out a few successful quarters selling these chips but the prices they are charging are absurd.
Mostly it's for marketting and new Fab plants... Fabs are understandable but AMD's increased spending on marketing is a huge turn off...
Last few systems AMD but Conroe does look promising, if you dig around you can find some benchmarks from overclocked Pentium-M chips... those offer pretty absurd performance compared to Pentium D chips and Conroe is based off of these with a higher thermal envelope.
Designing off a mobile chip 65 watts isn't too unreasonable and looking at the performance of old Pentium-M chips the performance is in line with p1-p2 levels of performance increase.
Launching a new socket with identical speed CPUs? Ouch ouch ouch... 5000+ my ass.
wooo 5.... no one cares about that. AMD has basically said that they aren't doing ANYTHING new in terms of performance this year, now old reports said that it would take Intel approximately 4-5 years to recover from not adopting HyperTransport (Doesn't matter how fast you run if your cpu is starved for bandwidth) but AMD should have been moving in that period.
Their prices aren't coming down the way they used to so they need to find some way to replace their product line while keeping high margins going to be tough to pull off without about 1.5 - 2x more performance.
But when Dell (A Hardware salesman) talks about Linux standardization maybe he's not talking about the OS (Though implied seems like a mistake hence the outrage)
More likely he is saying that Linux should standardize on a single hardware configuration as a basis for future driver development.
Windows support has made many technologies standard yet Linux hasn't laid out a base system to get it working.
All they need to do is say we like how Linksys structures their software drivers, if you follow this model we will support your hardware out of the box.
First time Linux users here is the machine you should buy, it's cheap it'll run everything and it's simple.
It sounds constrictive but it's what Mac did and it's something that Linux with an even smaller marketshare should consider.
Dell would of course LOVE it if the Linux community chose one of his lines of computers to support.
If Linux said "Allright let's do some certification, if your distro has total hardware support for the Inspiron XXXX then you get a Shiney Star (OoooOOOooo)" it wouldn't mean anything to the distro but it would be very useful for trying to sell Linux hardware AS SUCH. Computers are very much overspecced, heck just offering total support for an P2 Intel Motherboard and a couple of networking devices and printers would be a good start.
Even Slashdotters are complaining that they don't know when they pull their machine out of the box whether there will be Linux support for the hardware... Linux is approaching it as "Let the hardware come then we'll support it" but it would be more productive to support some commodity hardware and let people simply purchase it from wherever they want, imagine for a second Linux with the hardware support of a Mac OOOooooOOO0000 (Zeros added for emphasis).
If we do produce them all and let them try and reproduce in cities aren't we sort of helping their evolution.
We don't know what will be successful but mutants are mutants...
I'm not really concerned about them taking over the world but I'm a little disturbed they may evolve to the same level as say monnkies where you have to think twice before killing them:(
A few months ago released a press release saying that they were going to cut power inefficiency in their chips to 1 millionth their previous levels. We've already seen the chips they produced with this breakthrough.
Net power loss less than 5%...
Intel is not wrht gambling on anymore, too many false rumours... Wait for some real results before believing ANYTHING from them.
No they haven't, if AMD had continued it's tradition of excellence by releasing a $250 4200 and a $200 3800+ then yes it would have been all over for a few years (Those prices might seem unreasonable except Intel pulled them off).
Dual cores should have been a huge generation, but they ended up being only a half generation:(
Um, using the right hand for the Gear Shift? Frikkin Genius!
Though the Brittish way does make it easier for right handed people to, look over their shoulder and keep their dominant hand on the wheel.
However there can't be a truly right way because these conventions weren't developed in the time of automobiles (Brits with first cars vs Americans with first mass production cars) but rather in horse and buggey or before.
It's currently about 50/50 and we're more likely to reach a road system on which it doesn't matter (automagical cars:P) than we are to agree.
Isn't human nature grand!
P.S. I'm a Canadian - bridging the gap between Americans and Brits since the 18th century.
Concern, Open source allows companies to hire up all the talented developers before they can really contribute anything and stuffs them into closed source positions.
Reality, they produce a tiny little useful thing, that's all there is anymore there simply aren't a lot of one person projects beyond initial ideas in OSS anymore.
Reality 2, while it is possible for big companies with billions to hire the cream of the crop from the OSS community they will quickly find these developers expecting better deals either through being allowed more freedom in development (direction, openness) or higher pay until only a few are getting hired.
Once again large business's own competitive nature makes them a nn-threat to OSS.
You are wrong. Apple officially said that it has no objections to running anything you like on hardware you bought from them. Apple isn't fancy about Mac OS X being run on something else - but otherwise hardware is yours. And when you buy Apple's hardware, you get the OS for "free".
They did mention they wouldn't mind, but somehow they got chips for software/hardware exclusivity put on their motherboards.
Anyway, you always have choices. Unlike M$, Apple doesn't try to force everyone along its line. In other words, when M$ would make DRM mandatory part of their OS, rest assured nobody would be able to "refuse" such "offer".
Um DRM? Like iTunes? Everyone along their line, like they are trying to do with AAC? Didn't Apple choose Intel over AMD partially because of some of the trusted computing initiatives the former was involved in?
Apple is here for more choices for you. Not less. As well as Linux. Are you sure they aren't just trying to distinguish themselves until they gain marketshare?
Normally when I see such posts as yours, I can only guess that you are (as many other people, me in part too) are confined to Dell/M$ stuff. People who have learned about available choices and their price are more balanced in their view of situation.
Granted the Macbook pro is fairly priced, because the only alternative is sold directly from Dell. But saying that Macs are offering decent pricing ignores the ENTIRE retail sector of computing (vs OEM's such as Apple) by mandating certain prices for their hardware Apple is able to control their retail stores but those stores still try and gouge the consumer with third party accessories and ridiculous prices for commodity components, such as RAM, HD's etc. IOW, for the first [CENSORED] time in decade you have real choice of operational system / platform you like to have at home. Go and learn them. That would be my advice to you. You are suffering from Fanboyitis, (A Strange disease in that it inspires others to mod you up?) Apple is a choice but it's a choice pretty much in the same vein as Microsoft, a lot of their better security, compatibility, and OS design are compromises that Microsoft has chosen not to take but don't really make up huge diffrences in philosophy, the only real diffrence between the two is Microsoft has compromised to offer a service to everyone Macs are trying to create and insulate it's own market.
Apologizing for Canadian socialism, yes you are being taxed for CD's you buy and likely aren't using to make music CDs (Most hardcore pirates have Mp3 players anyway)
The money is being sent primarily to the recording industry (The Enemy)
Mitigating Factors, there is a system in place to analyse piracy and try and determine how much of each artist is being downloaded and dividing the funds accordingly, a not insignificant portion goes to artists sponsored by the Canadian government (Making sure that this money gets spent wisely will become more of an issue as there is more funding).
So basically the Canadian government has resolved the problem of the recording industry and created a system to replace the current music model... not without it's own problems of course but with promise.
The best part is the statements that Google is helping Analysts by asking what they want to hear...
That doesn't sound Enroney.
Now I think Google is doing many excellent things, but the possibility of another.com crash or Enron isn't particularly appealing as an IT skillset worker.
I hope everyone investing remembers that the current Google stock price is based on their UPCOMMING inventions and businesses when those inventions and businesses start the price shouldn't change.
Most Universities in Canada, Offer cheap tuition for the children of prof's that's pretty much a guarantee of a good job and in our society a good life.
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I was watching the naked News with 5-6 other guys.
We watched for 10 minutes and someone said This is Great.
Then I asked if anyone could remember a SINGLE peice of information from the show.
Silence.
But in todays world where consumers either don't research or have access to good research the idea of having a huge performance diffrence being any diffrent from a small one?
Intel and Amd have fallen into a game of releasing microscopic advancements to pass each other. It's easier and it offers the long term potential of selling chips.
There aren't many doublings in power left before people just don't need anymore power.
For the average user who doesn't need to compile code there is already way too much power for basic apps.
Well pirated movies will probably get higher possible resolution out of this.
And maybe they'll start being consistently encoded to fit 1 on a 4.7 Gig DVD or 2 in 4.7 or somehting like this and motivate them to stop encoding for the 700 mb traditional pirate format.
Where are the political movies and social commentaries of earlier generations!
Hollywood has been sissified.
If you could convert magnetic energy into heat then you could turn gravity into heat.
That's even more absurd than a perpetual motion machine as it offers the possibility of gravity manipulation.
Look dude if your country wants to embrace socialism fine do it the rest of the world is in awe of your stupid war spending. But if the U.S. government thinks that it can spend more on warfare and the world will make up for it's lacks it's got another thing coming.
The people who are doing this while they might be American want to change the world and primarily that means giving people options other than working for rich foreign investors whether that is selling crops, buying technology, getting health care or anything else.
Wait wait, I know where he's coming from. I'm in the market for a beat up sedan to grow pot in but none of the review sites show what frequencies the roof lights put out.
Lousy auto industry.
DirectX X will drop a lot of legacy concepts perhaps the Linux community will be able to emulate this one better and we really will see an end of MS this time.
Amd has recently gotten into some shenanigans releasing it's X2 line at $400+ while Intel kept releasing $250 chips.
Conroe is going into Dells Dell doesn't want to put 4800+s in he wants 3800s (equivalent)
AMD just managed to scrape out a few successful quarters selling these chips but the prices they are charging are absurd.
Mostly it's for marketting and new Fab plants... Fabs are understandable but AMD's increased spending on marketing is a huge turn off...
Last few systems AMD but Conroe does look promising, if you dig around you can find some benchmarks from overclocked Pentium-M chips... those offer pretty absurd performance compared to Pentium D chips and Conroe is based off of these with a higher thermal envelope.
Designing off a mobile chip 65 watts isn't too unreasonable and looking at the performance of old Pentium-M chips the performance is in line with p1-p2 levels of performance increase.
Looks like Intel may have pulled a Coppermine.
Launching a new socket with identical speed CPUs? Ouch ouch ouch... 5000+ my ass.
wooo 5.... no one cares about that. AMD has basically said that they aren't doing ANYTHING new in terms of performance this year, now old reports said that it would take Intel approximately 4-5 years to recover from not adopting HyperTransport (Doesn't matter how fast you run if your cpu is starved for bandwidth) but AMD should have been moving in that period.
Their prices aren't coming down the way they used to so they need to find some way to replace their product line while keeping high margins going to be tough to pull off without about 1.5 - 2x more performance.
But when Dell (A Hardware salesman) talks about Linux standardization maybe he's not talking about the OS (Though implied seems like a mistake hence the outrage)
More likely he is saying that Linux should standardize on a single hardware configuration as a basis for future driver development.
Windows support has made many technologies standard yet Linux hasn't laid out a base system to get it working.
All they need to do is say we like how Linksys structures their software drivers, if you follow this model we will support your hardware out of the box.
First time Linux users here is the machine you should buy, it's cheap it'll run everything and it's simple.
It sounds constrictive but it's what Mac did and it's something that Linux with an even smaller marketshare should consider.
Dell would of course LOVE it if the Linux community chose one of his lines of computers to support.
If Linux said "Allright let's do some certification, if your distro has total hardware support for the Inspiron XXXX then you get a Shiney Star (OoooOOOooo)" it wouldn't mean anything to the distro but it would be very useful for trying to sell Linux hardware AS SUCH. Computers are very much overspecced, heck just offering total support for an P2 Intel Motherboard and a couple of networking devices and printers would be a good start.
Even Slashdotters are complaining that they don't know when they pull their machine out of the box whether there will be Linux support for the hardware... Linux is approaching it as "Let the hardware come then we'll support it" but it would be more productive to support some commodity hardware and let people simply purchase it from wherever they want, imagine for a second Linux with the hardware support of a Mac OOOooooOOO0000 (Zeros added for emphasis).
Most of the comments are funny or insightful.
Just commenting about the thing, it's a fun article not a "Holy Crap" article.
If we do produce them all and let them try and reproduce in cities aren't we sort of helping their evolution.
:(
We don't know what will be successful but mutants are mutants...
I'm not really concerned about them taking over the world but I'm a little disturbed they may evolve to the same level as say monnkies where you have to think twice before killing them
Pests are pests.
A few months ago released a press release saying that they were going to cut power inefficiency in their chips to 1 millionth their previous levels. We've already seen the chips they produced with this breakthrough.
Net power loss less than 5%...
Intel is not wrht gambling on anymore, too many false rumours... Wait for some real results before believing ANYTHING from them.
No they haven't, if AMD had continued it's tradition of excellence by releasing a $250 4200 and a $200 3800+ then yes it would have been all over for a few years (Those prices might seem unreasonable except Intel pulled them off).
:(
Dual cores should have been a huge generation, but they ended up being only a half generation
Been to Nicaragua, much much easier than the U.S. pretty sane customs proceedures, metal check Visa check. Simple.
In the U.S. they try and take your picture and stuff, even if you're just transfering through.
That country sucks.
You must have done something wrong! You're planning to run!
Um, using the right hand for the Gear Shift? Frikkin Genius!
:P) than we are to agree.
Though the Brittish way does make it easier for right handed people to, look over their shoulder and keep their dominant hand on the wheel.
However there can't be a truly right way because these conventions weren't developed in the time of automobiles (Brits with first cars vs Americans with first mass production cars) but rather in horse and buggey or before.
It's currently about 50/50 and we're more likely to reach a road system on which it doesn't matter (automagical cars
Isn't human nature grand!
P.S. I'm a Canadian - bridging the gap between Americans and Brits since the 18th century.
Concern, Open source allows companies to hire up all the talented developers before they can really contribute anything and stuffs them into closed source positions.
Reality, they produce a tiny little useful thing, that's all there is anymore there simply aren't a lot of one person projects beyond initial ideas in OSS anymore.
Reality 2, while it is possible for big companies with billions to hire the cream of the crop from the OSS community they will quickly find these developers expecting better deals either through being allowed more freedom in development (direction, openness) or higher pay until only a few are getting hired.
Once again large business's own competitive nature makes them a nn-threat to OSS.
You are wrong. Apple officially said that it has no objections to running anything you like on hardware you bought from them. Apple isn't fancy about Mac OS X being run on something else - but otherwise hardware is yours. And when you buy Apple's hardware, you get the OS for "free".
They did mention they wouldn't mind, but somehow they got chips for software/hardware exclusivity put on their motherboards.
Anyway, you always have choices. Unlike M$, Apple doesn't try to force everyone along its line. In other words, when M$ would make DRM mandatory part of their OS, rest assured nobody would be able to "refuse" such "offer".
Um DRM? Like iTunes? Everyone along their line, like they are trying to do with AAC?
Didn't Apple choose Intel over AMD partially because of some of the trusted computing initiatives the former was involved in?
Apple is here for more choices for you. Not less. As well as Linux.
Are you sure they aren't just trying to distinguish themselves until they gain marketshare?
Normally when I see such posts as yours, I can only guess that you are (as many other people, me in part too) are confined to Dell/M$ stuff. People who have learned about available choices and their price are more balanced in their view of situation.
Granted the Macbook pro is fairly priced, because the only alternative is sold directly from Dell. But saying that Macs are offering decent pricing ignores the ENTIRE retail sector of computing (vs OEM's such as Apple) by mandating certain prices for their hardware Apple is able to control their retail stores but those stores still try and gouge the consumer with third party accessories and ridiculous prices for commodity components, such as RAM, HD's etc.
IOW, for the first [CENSORED] time in decade you have real choice of operational system / platform you like to have at home. Go and learn them. That would be my advice to you.
You are suffering from Fanboyitis, (A Strange disease in that it inspires others to mod you up?) Apple is a choice but it's a choice pretty much in the same vein as Microsoft, a lot of their better security, compatibility, and OS design are compromises that Microsoft has chosen not to take but don't really make up huge diffrences in philosophy, the only real diffrence between the two is Microsoft has compromised to offer a service to everyone Macs are trying to create and insulate it's own market.
Apologizing for Canadian socialism, yes you are being taxed for CD's you buy and likely aren't using to make music CDs (Most hardcore pirates have Mp3 players anyway)
The money is being sent primarily to the recording industry (The Enemy)
Mitigating Factors, there is a system in place to analyse piracy and try and determine how much of each artist is being downloaded and dividing the funds accordingly, a not insignificant portion goes to artists sponsored by the Canadian government (Making sure that this money gets spent wisely will become more of an issue as there is more funding).
So basically the Canadian government has resolved the problem of the recording industry and created a system to replace the current music model... not without it's own problems of course but with promise.
Cheap Storage + Cheap Controller + Fairly Cheap Battery = MASSIVE EXPENSIVE THINGIE!
Can someone explain to me why Mp3 players are so frikkin expensive?
Is Mp3 like 10 bln. to liscence?
Enron fears again!
.com crash or Enron isn't particularly appealing as an IT skillset worker.
The best part is the statements that Google is helping Analysts by asking what they want to hear...
That doesn't sound Enroney.
Now I think Google is doing many excellent things, but the possibility of another
I hope everyone investing remembers that the current Google stock price is based on their UPCOMMING inventions and businesses when those inventions and businesses start the price shouldn't change.
Most Universities in Canada, Offer cheap tuition for the children of prof's that's pretty much a guarantee of a good job and in our society a good life.
Wait I need iTunes to burn Cd's of Appple songs?