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IBM Germany Leaving Vista for Linux
UltimaGuy writes "During a presentation on IBM's involvement with Open Source, Andreas Pleschek from IBM in Stuttgart, Germany, who heads open source and Linux technical sales across North East Europe for IBM made a very interesting statement..."Andreas Pleschek also told that IBM has cancelled their contract with Microsoft as of October this year. That means that IBM will not use Windows Vista for their desktops. Beginning from July, IBM employees will begin using IBM Workplace on their new, Red Hat-based platform. Not all at once - some will keep using their present Windows versions for a while. But none will upgrade to Vista." "
Why Redhat? Didn't IBM cooperate with SuSE so far, or has this changed when SuSE was taken over by Novell?
Georg
If I have to upgrade from win2k it will not be Vista. I will just have to find another way of playing games!
heise a german news site has just published an articles saying IBM denied the claims http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/70532
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Remember IBM sold its consumer PC division to Lenovo, so this will only be on their high end workstations. Good for IBM for doing it, but not such a big deal.
Either is compelling as a statement from Big Blue, but the latter of the two is much more devastating
as it means QUITE a bit of revenue on MS' part.
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I can't say I'm surprised. In conjuction with Microsoft's involvement with the Trusted Computing Group, and the TPM hardware appearing in new PCs, the next version of Windows (Vista) will solidify Microsoft's near total control over the desktop.
Having TPM hardware in the machine at all is bad enough... if you move to Vista there will (quite literally) be no escape. The computer you purchase will not belong to you and will be deliberately designed to be secure against you, rather than for you. Vista will be the software component of this lockdown.
Now look at IBM -- for them to base their business around Vista would make them *completely* under the control of Microsoft. Their desktops could be secretly backdoored, their data locked down and only accessible with the permission of Microsoft. 100% Bill's bitch. Why submit to that when you can (and are) pay off Red Hat to work on a Trusted Computing version of the Linux kernel (google for the project)... and have that kind of control yourself?
Smaller companies and normal consumers though... that's a different matter. They are going to be screwed royally with the introduction of Vista. They just don't realise it yet, and won't until they've paid over their cash to Dell or HP. DRM throughout the system (apps and data), and all under the control of Uncle Bill and his Rights Management Servers.
"Not all at once - some will keep using their present Windows versions for a while. But none will upgrade to Vista."
And why should they? What does Vista give IBM that their present solution doesn't?
All I can say is, it's about time!
s /product5.nsf/wdocs/workplaceoverview
http://www-142.ibm.com/software/workplace/product
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If IBM is not going to move to Windows Vista, does that mean that more people will see some more of the advantages of moving to Linux?
I encrypt all my files with Double XOR Encryption!
I believe this was said in terms of thier internal machines, not the deliverables.
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Won't somebody at IBM please think of the chairs?
Seeing as how IBM espouses the virtues of Linux, I'm surprised it took them this long.
I'll bet that this is not an idealistic change but a thrifty one. I certainly wouldn't want to upgrade all the workstations!
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We have seen that the open-document-format take hold, and now the big iron is pulling away from MS, shortly after. Given some more time, I think that we will see this trend continue. We will see more and more with ODF, taking MS's place. Even to the point of having document converters, to go from .docto .odf. This also the time to see the movement of the massess to a linux environment. I think you will see tax-programs, et al. moving because of the ODF as well.
I think that there will be a lot of script-style viri as well that will go throuigh everyones documents, ala the excell virus. The only reason that all this stuff didnt happen on larger scale, was because of the different formats.
But if every Joe-Linux Distro includeed a nice easy-top-use office, and all that, it would be easier to switch.
MS will become another smaller company.. It's innovations were in the 90s. Im ure that they will keep up for some time.. But this is a huge financial blow to them.
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You can't leave something you aren't already with. The only people currently using Vista are all beta testers, or software pirates.
Its BS to say that "no one will upgrade" to Vista. Are you telling me that software developers will not be using Vista at all? It's a ridiculous notion for a company that develops hundreds of products for the Windows OS.
Companies not ready for disclosure of things of this nature almost always flatly deny them occuring- just witness XGI being bought by ATI recently; both companies denied they were doing it- but they did it anyway. I've little doubts that they may have done this- they've been building up to it for several years now. Now whether it's actually going to happen, on the other hand, remains to be seen.
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Most IBM slavelings don't care about windows vis redhat vis suse, if only they would dump Lotus notes client everybody would be a lot happier.
Old COBOL programmers never die. They just code in C.
:)
BTW you can't leave what you haven't joined and MS Windows Vista isn't out yet. They're leaving Microsoft OS...
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Great news, it's about time that someone started rolling Linux out onto the Desktop in a large enterprise.
:)
Someone has to be the beta tester!
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They might just leave Windows support at the XP level (Not likely, mind, but there's nothing other than potential customer alienation to keep them from doing that...). They might require only the Windows product development teams to have Vista, etc. and require everyone else to use RedHat and Workplace (Which is very likely...)- if you're not doing Windows development, you may not get to upgrade to Vista (Which, in a company that size, is effectively "no one will upgrade"...).
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>Now look at IBM -- for them to base their business around Vista would make them *completely* under the control of Microsoft.
Note that this applies to All users of Vista, not just IBM.
Just in case you were thinking of upgrading.....
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Oh my, 24-hour-old news. Imagine if something -- anything -- happened somewhere in the world, and you didn't hear about it for a few hours. How would you get through the day?
I mean, sheesh, are the editors so out of touch that they don't spend every waking minute reading press releases so that they can whip up blog entries within milliseconds?
Not surprised that IBM rolls their own Linux, Cisco does as well though it's mainly for their servers.
This guy is way out there
IBM disclaims rumors around one complete-transferred to Linux sound reports over the LinuxForum in Denmark on Groklaw and Neoseeker a IBM coworker in a lecture explained there, IBM wants to use in the future Linux on the host computers. Contracts with Microsoft were already quit, which coming Windows version Vista will not be used at IBM. Announcement In a statement opposite heise open got IBM straight the role of open SOURCE often commodity and open standard in the enterprise. One began to change the PC jobs over to IBM Workplace Client which is based on the open SOURCE projects Eclipse and OpenOffice.org and both runs on Windows and on Linux. Also one supports the platform-independent open SOURCE Browser Firefox, and some employees would already use Linux on their PCS. However Microsoft Office on many jobs plays and also at most customers a large role, so that one does not plan to do without it. As open formats for data exchange set IBM on pdf and rtf, the open document format is not yet ripe for the general employment. Windows Vista is evaluated at present, a decision is not yet pleases. IBM co-operates closely with Microsoft and also in the future Windows solutions will offer. The rumor, the Ms Office contract with Microsoft ran out in the past year, did not want not to commentate one (odi/c't)
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My posts are definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate.
Did you RTFA? Or even TFS (the fucking summary)?
This is about INTERNAL desktops. i.e, IBM's employees will mostly be using Linux systems to do their day to day work. They can still recommend Windows to clients.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
Read bellow, sounds to me like they didn't really deny it, just said some jobs still needed *MS office*. MS Office is very different to Vista, as crossover and wine demonstrate. It hardly rains on the story or the planned massive migration, or constitutes a huge "denial".
"According to reports on the LinuxForum[1 ] in Denmark on Groklaw[2 ] and Neoseeker[3 ] explained there a IBM coworker in a lecture, IBM wants to use in the future Linux on the host computers. Contracts with Microsoft were already quit, which coming Windows version Vista will not be used at IBM. In a statement opposite heise open[4 ] got IBM straight the role of open SOURCE often commodity and open standard in the enterprise. One began to change the PC jobs over to IBM Workplace Client[5 ] which on the open SOURCE projects Eclipse[6 ] and OpenOffice.org[7 ] is based and both on Windows and on Linux runs. Also one supports the platform-independent open SOURCE Browser Firefox[8 ], and some employees would already use Linux on their PCS. However Microsoft Office on many jobs plays and also at most customers a large role, so that one does not plan to do without it. As open formats for data exchange set IBM on pdf and rtf, the OpenDocumentFormat[9 ] is not yet ripe for the general employment. Windows Vista is evaluated at present, a decision is not yet pleases. IBM co-operates closely with Microsoft and also in the future Windows solutions will offer. The rumor, the Ms Office contract with Microsoft ran out in the past year, did not want not to commentate one."
I realise the PC business is being sold, but I imagine IBM internally uses IBM-style PCs and I hazard that this might well continue on to Leveno PCs. If they're all moving to Linux, then the hardware must support that.
Cheers,
Ian
Making the switch is actually a lot easier than most people think, especially when you have a helpdesk/systems department maintaining all the machines. We have just over 1000 CentOS based workstations at my office in use by techinical and non-technical employees, even marketing types. There is a couple mailing lists that people can ask questions to for help and get instant answers. Rsh is even open on all the machines so us technical guys can commandeer other CPUs at night.
Anyplace with screen shots of this so called "IBM WORKPLACE"?
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The problem for any corporation updating to Vista is that you rather have to replace most of your hardware along the way as well.
And upgrade your memory. Over on The Inquirer they're reporting that Vista consumes 800MB of RAM while idling. This is absolutely insane to someone who first started using computers in the early 1970's. There just isn't that much stuff that an Operating System should be doing. And yes, that really is 3X XP's current requirements, the thought of which certainly is warming Intel's little heart.
Seems to me if MS wants to keep IBM in the fold they should be offering to buy them all new desktops.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Just because they have to support companys with messed-up infrastructure does not mean that they have to mess their own up as well. Why does a salesperson, or an executive secretary need to run any M$ stuff vs. IBM's workspace? Why would IBM want to run M$ DNS/DHCP/IIS/ISA for their infrastructure when they have superior products of their own?
Its global, and pervasive.
This has been coming for a long time. Remember that IBM has been one of the largest forces behind Eclipse. Not because its great as a development platform -- because its got potential as a great APPLICATION platform.
Roughly 50% of the large enterprise email market is using IBM Lotus Notes. You may not like it, but its true. Different studies wieght it differently by a few points to either side. Pick the study and you can find all kinds of results. The counts are close enough that the difference is accounted for by what you count as client use, who gives you the numbers, etc. For example, MS typically likes to count anyone who owns Office as an Outlook user which will skew the numbers quite a bit. Regardless, the market is split nearly in have between MS and IBM for that market with small shares going to a few other players (like Groupwise).
* Keep in mind, we're talking LARGE ENTERPRISE here. Annecdotes about companies under 500,000,000 in gross revenue don't count.
IBM has been pushing Linux at the desktop in their offices where possible for at least three years. One thing holding them back has been that their own platform, Notes, doesn't run easily on Linux natively. The reason isn't Notes -- which was built to be cross platform, resulting in some often critisized UI choices. The reason is the same as so many other companies don't support Linux for the workstation. Its difficult to make a generic installation and maintenance solution.
With Eclipse as the base, IBM has spent a few years on their new WORKPLACE products. The grand plan is pretty different from what they've ended up with, but they are very close to roll out of their "Hannover" product which is Lotus Notes (actual, real code - not rewritten or made compatible) with a UI done in Eclipse. On top of that, Eclipse becomes Workplace Rich Client when you add a few plug in layers which allow managment, server based rollout and maintenance, and other portal stuff they use.
It also handles off-line use and synchronization for out of office and traveling.
It works. I've seen it. I've played with it.
What that means is that their "killer apps" -- those applications critical to the success of people working in IBM offices don't even need to be "ported". They're in Lotus Notes applications already and keep working as they have. Also, their Email client works as it always has.
Add to this that Workplace has Open Office based applications built into it as well, and a new thing called an "Activity Explorer" (which IMO is going to be the most important NEW thing from them).
Tie it all together and they can do everything they need to do without a Windows based application. They've cut themselves free entirely.
What IBM has done is not just TALK about making a linux desktop workable -- they've created the missing pieces so that they can actually support their own massive workforce with such a rollout.
Bravo to them.
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Didn't IBM make a similar promise to move their desktops to Linux it couldn't keep years ago?
Point is, Ballmer needs some exercise.
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OMG, you mean it was posted somewhere else within 24 hours prior.... OMG it might as well be a year ago now.
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
The whole concept of Vista requiring new hardware is going to be a real challenge. If ever there should be a perfect time for a non-MS alternative to emerge and provide a smooth link with past/present/future hardware, this is that time.
IBM has little to gain by enriching Microsoft and accepting a DRM world. They have a great deal to gain by presenting a viable alternative. It will be very interesting to see Asian manufacturers gearing up to make non-DRM hardware that they KNOW will not play with Vista. If Lenovo leads, others will follow.
Microsoft's best alternative is to go the X-Box route. Subsidize the hell out of the fast-but-crippled new hardware so to drive acceptance of the software. Then the whole package acts like a cash register, where users, developers, and service providers can be made to pay to play.
The concept of "software as a service" aka the "Net PC" failed because the cost/benefit was simply not there. It still isn't, but the mircale of subsidized hardware can make it look that way long enough to get the customers to swallow the poisoned pill.
I'm glad to see other countries widely adopting Linux, but it seems a disporportionate number is coming from the rest of the world versus the US (with the occasional exception). Is this because the US is somehow more open-source-close-minded and anti free (and better tasting) lunches?
Why do people insist on using THAT format? There's actually BETTER formats out there that are supported
officially on more than just Windows.
Ah well, that's a different argument, and I'll keep working that one elsewhere...
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Why do I sense that this will spawn the mother of all BSA audits?
As I understand it, the next Notes client will be an Eclipse-platform rich client. Here's an article about it
Cheers,
Ian
I completely agree, it is kind of funny to see video in wmv format for a linux event.
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It would be nice if there were documented evidence of large enterprise migrations to Linux for the desktop. I work in an I.S. capacity for a very large health care organization, (7B/year, >10,000 employees), recently the head of Information Systems has been hitting up our group to find ways to reduce costs. I wanted to point to the obvious use of using alternative operating systems but at this point too much of our infrastructure depends on niche software, such as Remedy and PVCS Tracker for tracking large projects and I.S. requests.
Additionally there is a very heavy use of MS-Office, especially Word and Excel. It would be valuable to see what the large-scale effect of drop-replacing an alternative Office product such as OO.o has on an a large business -- especially with regards to training.
I think IBM's idea of migrating in piecemeal is a good one.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
The top level post was a clear enough question regarding business relationships, but one level down the argument already is about which distro is better.
It seems that the new IBM thing, Workplace has Notes running natively.
... big ass discount. It's almost like telling MS, give us a better price, or will switch. And of course MS will go as low as possible to prevent a switch. And IBM saves.
please excuse my apathy
I see this same trend among my own customers. There is real preperation going on for NOT moving to Vista. Some of them will probably role anyway, but lately the trend is to move business critical apps to web-based alternatives and move away from MSFT proprietary clients like Outlook and IE. Preparation that makes switching the desktop OS much easier.
I think many would merely use it for leverage to squeeze concessions out of MSFT, but based on the amount of interest and effort I'm seeing doesn't look like posing. It seems serious this time. MSFT will have to come up with better discounts. A few vouchers for training and support calls aren't going to cut it.
Exciting times to be in IT.
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It's because atleast 95% of all desktops have that codec already installed. Making users install other "non-standard" codecs in the default media player is a PITA.
Shouldn't this article be about IBM moving from Windows desktops to Linux desktops in general? I mean, Vista is still in beta form, why jump on the bandwagon about a company dissing Vista before it has even hit the store shelves. This is non-news. A company drops an as of yet unreleased product to use another product.
All this is is flame bait. I mean, your going to get all those guys in the Linux coffers going on about how great Linux is and how much Vista sucks, but they are complaining about a product that doesn't really exist yet (i.e. most of them don't know what the heck they are talking about).
Anyways, considering IBM has been working on lots of Linux pet projects, this isn't no shocker. Let us know when a company without a vested interest in Linux moves to the Linux platform over Windows, that is slightly more legitimate news.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
You know, IBM *does* like TPM
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Too bad the better OS is owned by one of their competitors (and partners), otherwise I'd give them 1 year before they switched to Solaris (much like Oracle did after flirting with linux).
You must be a few steps before the grave to make such a dumbass comment.
Yah, but even though I'm pretty much one of those "Speak English or Die!" types when on American soil, I still have no problem with getting content in German from a German server.
Just when I go to Mexico, I do my best to speak Spanish (It's very bad, I read Spanish much better than I speak it), and don't expect signs to be in English down there.
I just wish we got the same consideration when Mexicans come to the US. (There's a billboard a couple blocks from my house that is in 100% Spanish. Complete bullshit if you ask me. As you said "This is America!")
But, getting pissed because a German web server does not have English content is assine.
I thought that IBM sold their desktop unit, so who's machines are they putting Linux on?
Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
IBM is aiming for platform agnostic software client, side with anything new based on the the Eclipse RCP (Rich Client Platform) using Java as with IBM Workplace. The client side applications they produce will run on Linux, AIX, Mac OSX AND Windows
Take that, planned obsolescence!
(In this case, of course, obsolescence by fiat.)
I know there is no love lost between these two companies but thats alot of cash lost and bad publicity for Micro$oft!
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When they order new PCs, they will come with Vista pre-installed!
Close to 100% of desktops will play .mpgs, and they'll work on all major platforms with ease. You don't have to use "non-standard" codecs.
.wmv...It's like having an alternative browser site that won't render in Firefox unless you tweak thirty options.
The fact that it was a Linux-related event makes it even more ridiculous that they'd choose
Making users install other "non-standard" codecs in the default media player is a PITA.
Yeah, God forbid we inconvenience a fucking Windows user.
After reading what I've read about Vista, specifically the hardware requirements, there's no way our company will be doing it either. We've already got these super-zippy PCs that we bought 1.5 years ago. Our experience to date says the three year replacement cycle for workstations is really wasteful when you can relatively cheaply extend the warranty support on the systems. Against this backdrop, I can either "upgrade" to Vista by replacing 300 workstations at a cost of around $300,000 or I can extend those 300 warranties for around $50,000 and keep them an extra two years. For the 99% of my user community that just does MS Office, email, and web-ERP, this is a no-brainer.
And I don't think we (and IBM Europe) are the only ones thinking this way.
Bottom line: Microsoft is going to have to build a lot more value into its offerrings to maintain their install-base. They can't raise the price and add a zillion new doo-dads to the products--they're already at saturation point (and beyond, really.) The only other way to have more value is to lower the price... Or simplify licensing options for customesr so they have spend less on compliance. The problem for MS is that both of those routes lead directly to less revenue for Microsoft.
Who did what now?
The Lotus Notes 7 client for Linux is in beta.
(I'm mentioning this publically because Ed Brill has talked about it publically on his web site, so I'm not revealing any big secret.)
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
by a judge and everyone can compete on equal footing again. Also hurts the EU's argument that Microsoft has a monopoly in anything.
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Please mod down this FUD
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... someday soon you'll be able to find that their web ite lists machines that come with linux instead of (or in addition to) Windows Professional?
I just checked again, and couldn't find the char string "linux" in any of their product pages. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough?
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... one of the primary languages of Germany. Other than that minor point, I'd agree with you.
IBM could have been engaged to Vista (but not yet married) before deciding to leave Vista for another OS.
:)
Alternately, the headline could say that IBM leaves Vista for Linux, meaning let Linux deal with Vista, and IBM will gladly follow in line later.
"Leaving" can be multiply interpreted.
/delurk
/lurk
Didn't IBM announce something similar (way) back when they launched OS/2 Warp?
Sounds like history repeating itself.
Oh well, off to catch a good Bill Murray movie.
asta la vista, Vista!
IBM made Microsoft, and it would be amusing if this were to unmake them.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
SuSE is for Germans that like KDE.
That was SuSE original niche, and it's still about the only thing SuSE does best.
Other than that, SuSE is a very bass-ackwards UNIX (especially with the implementation of its init scripts, don't even get me started).
It makes complete sense for IBM to use a reliable, predictable (as in consistent), and quality assured distribution such as Red Hat.
If you like reading documentation in pathetically broken English (or Germenglish, as I call it), then, by all means, use SuSE. (SuSE documentation invents many new words, like "installproduct". The writing style is also inadequate for technical documentation and tends to ramble.)
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Close to 100% of desktops will play .mpgs, and they'll work on all major platforms with ease.
.wmv with an mpeg-4 codec will. Stand-alone (.mp4) MPEG4 decoders aren't widespread yet, and h.264 even less so. Then again, the target audience can get themselves an h.264 decoder without much trouble.
MPEG-1 doesn't get the nice compression that a
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Touched a raw nerve?
Video games are gay.
That is all.
Microsoft is actively waging a very ugly litigation war on IBM using SCO as a proxy.
Is anyone really surprised that IBM would stop sending license fees to Redmond???
Not wanting to feed the troll but
I thought that it was reported that they used Microsoft Flight Simulator
And wmv doesn't play on AMD64. I know you can install the Windows win32 codecs in x86 systems (even though it's *bad*) but not on 64 bit players.
Or you have to setup 32 bit players with attached 32bit libs and the whole thing just becomes a huge mess...
Well, I'll just trust them that some IBM guy said whatever they did he said. Or something.
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Is there any doubt that IBM has done its own internal Windows vs Linux TCO studies?
Last year IBM announced they were moving all 330,000 desktops from IE to Firefox. Why wouldn't they drop MS completely?
Aside from the hardware upgrades required, some ingenious bean counter discovered how to save $100M. 330,000 * $299 = $98,670,000. That's not chump change for anyone, even IBM. Cost wise, this is a no-brainer.
And with all those desktops running dogfood, IBM has created its own internal testing army, which can only lead to those products getting better.
At least he fucking spelled ridiculous correctly, in the subject no less. I'm fucking sick of seeing:
rediculous
your wrong
I could of
You're inferring
As the AC said, back a little while ago, when IBM was last making noises about dumping Windows, they either created or had created for them, a customized version of RHEL. I believe it was called the "IBM Linux Client for e-business" or something like that.
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Here's an old article that references it (this is from when they called off their previous internal 'switch' campaign):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/25/HNibmsi
So it sounds like they're dragging this out of the closet and are thinking of actually going ahead with the existing plan, at least in Germany.
I wonder if this means that they're actually going to port Lotus Notes to Linux, or if they're just going to have everybody run it under WINE.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
The AC flamewars always seem to have the most wit.
Having that as a video at all is a complete waste of bandwidth. They could have just taken the audio, saved it as an MP3 file, and not lost any information at all.
Most of the time you can't even see who's speaking, and there's some guy standing in front of the camera for a significant part of it anyway.
Does anyone know what the license on the video is? Can someone just rip the audio track and repost it as a MP3 file, so people who don't want or can't play a WMV can listen?
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Leave it to Germany...
I don't intend to start a flamewar. Wouldn't it be in their interewst to use a "source" based distro? Or do they think using a Fedora/Redhat is easier to justify interms of setup and maintence- Just wondering
I happen to like it as an IDE, but don't use it as you do so I can't really speak to your issues.
What IBM is using it for is as a framework to build applications in -- just as the JAVA IDE you're talking to is an application built on the framework. Eclipse gives them a stable place to build user applications from, that's got its own installation and management issues fairly well in hand.
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Announcement In a statement opposite heise open got IBM straight the role of open SOURCE often commodity and open standard in the enterprise.
Well, that clears things right up. Thanks, babelfish!
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
But, getting pissed because a German web server does not have English content is assine.
You know what else is "assine"? ur mom.
For the longest time Lotus had available a SmartSuite, a reasonably full featured office suite for Windows. While SmartSuite was never a leader in its field -- usually playing third behind Microsoft and WordPerfect -- it included notable components such as the venerable Lotus 1-2-3 and Freelance Graphics. If IBM and Lotus are indeed switching internal and client desktops to OpenOffice.org, is there any reason not to open source SmartSuite, giving OOo (and other) developers access to components and techniques that just might may have value to them?
That bitch!
CfeB has been IBM's internal distro for some time now. Its packaged with IBM-centric tools and apps. So this move by IBM Germany is just furthering the momentum that is already built on Redhat. IBM has support structures for staff that tend to assume CfeB, and I'm sure the German division would rather use something that IBMers all over the planet are already familiar with.
You can run other distros (plus OS X and Solaris) in some divisions and departments. But in that case its still easier to get help for Redhat and/or CfeB; If you run SuSE or Debian then people are much more likely to just say "gee that's interesting... i don't know the answer".
Sloppy, yes. Ugly? If it had any merit it would be ugly.
That which does not kill her only prolongs my agony.
Suprise that a European arm of IBM is switching to desktop Linux? The only suprise I'm registering is that it took this long for it to happen.
Think Deeply.
Here at my university people bend over backwards to try and practice their english with the visitors. So much that all the meetings and classes they attend are in english (including opening new groups for 3 or 4 persons in english).
In the north of Mexico (think Monterrey) english is like the second official language. People don't call a truck by its name in spanish ("camioneta"), but by an anglicism ("troca"=truck + a). Wherever you go and it is reasonable, you'll find someone that will willingly speak english with you. Reasonable means that s/he had enough of an education to include english.
The official school program starts with english at the fifth grade. Most of the people that do speak english do it because they HAVE to (private schools, work) and will usually not refuse the chance to practice.
It is just about where you try to speak english, in some places it is almost impossible for them to speak it (who taught them english in the first place?).
My own consulting company switched to Linux for all servers. I saved huge amounts of money and made our company more profitable.
I predict unless Windows license costs come WAY down, this Linux OS will be the dominant corporate operating system in the future. Especially at big business because all CEO's like to here LOW cost whether it is for IT or labor.
Good move IBM (I own shares)....Now instead of paying MS they can pay the shareholders in higher returns!
MPEG-1 doesn't get the nice compression that a .wmv with an mpeg-4 codec will. Stand-alone (.mp4) MPEG4 decoders aren't widespread yet, and h.264 even less so. Then again, the target audience can get themselves an h.264 decoder without much trouble.
No, but MPEG4 in AVI is much more widely supported.
It is using 800mb of page file, it is actually using about 350mb of physical ram...
It could be because of a lot of caching going on
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Is eclipse packaged as an IDE for Java that you download. What IBM's "workplace rich client" installs will that framework -- menus, ability to handle plug-ins, etc.. but instead of a Java IDE, it will have their workflow, messaging, etc.. toolkits layered on. There are still perspectives, plug in technology, all that stuff. Its just got different stuff plugged in -- including some stuff that is IBM specific and commercial that is what makes it their product.
They also provision it rather than making users go download bits and parts.
Eclipse is very tightly tied to IBM -- was from the beginning. If I recall, they actually were very heavily involved in making it open source from code they and others were doing. They've taken a branch of that and added their own stuff.
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I do wish Mr Coward would find other people to argue with. Flaming one's own posts always looks solipsistic to me. Perhaps he's just lonely though.
Ahem, Mr Coward, I consider you a ninny of the lowest sort.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
The title of this is a bit misleading. They apparently haven't upgraded to, or are actively using Vista for anything, so wouldn't this merely be that they're switching to Linux, rather than are dissatisfied with Vista somehow? It seems that any time anyone "switches to" Linux, it's highly publicized, but the way this is portrayed is more anti-MS hype than pro-Linux anything, let alone "reporting a news story fairly objectively". Someone cancels their Microsoft contract, without citing explicitly why, and somehow it turns into that they're hating on Vista and are switching from Vista to Linux.
Personally, I'll be more impressed when more companies start switching to FreeBSD instead of Linux or from Linux. Sure, random companies can buy the loyalties of Linux developers or project managers, but since when was strict quality control and release management considered 'a bad thing'? Perhaps someone could tell me, but I don't see it. If I had been promoted to head of IT for some big company, and we were going to open source operating systems, I'd see it as a better idea to switch to a more reliable operating system with strict QC/QA, an actual interest into what is in patches, the best way to fix something, etc, as well as releases being planned out and approved by more than one person.
In addition to the sheer fact that FreeBSD doesn't seem to be motivated by or the flagship of a company who wants to undercut and take over commercial/closed source software, by also undercutting and taking over all other open source.
Wouldn't those be common reasons why someone left Microsoft contracts and operating systems behind in the first place?
"A Goddess rarely smiles for she is forced by others to be an island unto herself." - Zephiris
IBM DOS is still running fine on my i386 box and I see no compelling reason to upgrade.
and hence the desperate plea for cheap software. Aging population, socialism..ouch
Their desktops could be secretly backdoored
Yes, their desktops could be secretly backdoored, their pants could spontaneously combust, and the aliens could be reading their minds. Let me know when the back door is found and i'll trade you a tinfoil hat to keep your mind safe.
I don't see how installing a backdoor would be in the interests of Microsoft because it would eventually be discovered. That would mean bad press for MS and less money.
Interesting. Germany was one of the hold-outs still using OS/2 more than many other places. So it's perhaps not surprising that German IBMers still harbour a stronger urge to avoid Windows than other parts of IBM.
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no vista http://www-old.ectaco.com/online/diction.php3?lang =17&word=vista&direction=2, go penguin !
and foxes are more known to kill vistas than penguins, anyway.
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There are two designer tools. Domino Designer is unchanged - though it is possible they'll reparent the windows into the framework. Like the Notes client, moving it into the Workplace Rich Client (the Eclipsed based tool) changes only the display input & output. The code itself in 99% of the libraries and executables is unchanged. The Notes products where designed from day 1 - 20 years ago -- with a "separation layer" which means that 90% of the code is cross platform C. Last I knew, there was a single dll for windows that had to be replaced with a comperable library for other operating systems to move the product from one platform to another. At one time, Solaris was supported. Apple has been (poorly) supported for a long time -- and is about to go back to being fully supported 100% with this release. The server side runs natively on Linux, Win32, iSeries (os400), etc. IMO, it runs best on Linux.
The Workpace designer is new. Its a Domino designer like tool, in that its target is the same skill level developers and the same development community. If you're making applications for Domino as a back end and traditional Notes applications -- or maintaining old ones -- there will be very little functional difference for you other than a little nicer environment. If you're making new applications for the Workplace back end -- which is more well suited to relational integration, and is natively more XML oriented, you'll use Workplace Designer.
The way the Eclipse framework combined with IBM's "Workplace" plug in layers supports wiring these design elements together is where the real advantage comes for existing developers. You can finally build something with a UI that is outside the traditional Notes client but is still fully integrated "on the glass" with your application as a whole. Right now, if you're an ISV, your add-on tools is either outside Notes and thus less beneficial or its inside Notes but then looks just like any other cheap Notes application which limits you on price and 'bling'.
The Reasons -- (and History)
The reasons for all this separation and options is the long standing policy IBM has about backward compatibility. You can still open a Notes 2.0 application (like a user's Mail file, which is an application) from 1991 in your current Notes 7.x client or designer and use it, upgrade it, add new capabilities to it, and work with its data. The 'law' for new versions of Notes has always been "NO RIP AND REPLACE" -- some of the developers go as far as the term "Bugward Compatible" which means that if something worked in a way that we'd now consider "Broken" in a former release, that way of working must still always be supported --as the default behavior when you upgrade.
Compare that policy with others and you see the benefits. The downsides are that when you have a changing IT world, it can be hard to keep moving the product forward and keep that old compatibility. Some things hang around that have little current relevance (like IPX and VINES network support, or the ability to do its own dialup networking protocol between servers and clients). The same is true for design elements.
Notes suffers from an aging UI design and many adminstration elements and new features that have been grafted on year after year to keep up. When Notes was new, TCPIP was expensive for most companies to implement. IPX was the most common protocol, along with Netbios/Netbui based networks and Ethertalk. Virtually all other mail systems (other than in the Unix world in which SMTP had been gaining popularity of course) for corporate users were single server islands -- with difficult methods for connecting those islands (remember CC:Mail post offices). Notes was the first mainstream application to make the daily use of public/private key encryption part of the routine office workers day (without them even realizing it) and offered a secure way to share ownership of documents and processes across enterprises both connected and disconnected. In 1991.
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Americans speak English? Heh! :)
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While I have issues with AVI files as well (mostly because it's an inferior format...), MPEG4/h.264 encoded AVI's are tolerable- it's supported pretty much everywhere, even on many of the newer DVD players.
WMV's are silly for a Linux event's video coverage- it's not really 100% supported and it's just as easy as not to GET video into the MPEG4 AVI file format even if you used a Windows machine to capture the video.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
You can put MPEG-2 into a transport- it's not QUITE as good as MPEG4, but it's better than MPEG-1. And better yet, MPEG4 decoders are VERY prevalent...
http://www.divx.com/
http://www.xvid.org/
http://www.3ivx.com/
Funny that, seems like we HAVE encoders/decoders out there for all the main platforms- and under almost all conditions, many of the mainline DVD players now have MPEG4 decode support (and EPIA motherboards, and...).
Oh, and about h.264...
Well, perhaps that's not prevalent yet (YET...), but there seems to be at least one FOSS implementation usable on all the main platforms:
http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
Hm... Seems to me you missed the point that I was trying to make- there's no good reason for someone to have
pushed out a video of a Linux event's speaking session in a format that isn't fully supported on at least Liunx.
Technically, WMV isn't one of those sorts of things- MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, MPEG-4/AVC are supported in at least a AVI transport wrapper- and it's supported pretty much everywhere else to boot.
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