Declaring that this is bad is a joke. These are tags in the uniforms of CHILDREN. It is as orwellian as putting RFID in my dogs. I would love to know if my teens cut school. And I am just fine with using a tag in their clothes.
Now, if they want to do this to an adult, or forced embed it in a human, that is a DIFFERENT issue.
is that they will do political things. As such, they have LOADS of windows. And yes, they are LOADED with spies (and the DOD knew it). However, I differ with the expert. NSA should step in and help DOD upgrade everything to a decent set-up. Secure Unix or Linux (with SEL). NO MORE WINDOWS. In addition, restore the security that we used to have back in the 80's. We have slacked so much that many of the contractors are spies. Hell, I have dealt with a probable Chinese spy that was married to a USAF officer.
The USS reagan should be refitted with secured systems, or we should simply send it in the middle east and allow Iran to blow it up (better iran than china).
What amazes me is that EU, Russia, and China are all brighter than so many of the idiots in the DOD and at American companies.
Nope. It suffered because of compromises made. The original shuttle that NASA wanted would have used a system similar to what Scaled is doing. They were going to use valkarye (B-70) to launch a shuttle to space. It was to cost more up-front, but be REAL CHEAP to launch. Then Nixon got involved and made this be cheaper to develop as well as upgraded cargo capacity for RETURN trip. That changed the dynamics. They went with solid rocket boosters, and we know where we are at now.
There is a reason for that. He and Zubrin are pushing this. It is not just Musk, but Bob that wants this. So far, the ONLY thing wrong is that both are pushing for 2-way missions. Big mistake. The other difference is that Musk is pushing for NASA to finish NERVA development and start production of it. With that, THEN we can talk 2-way missions. But until that time, it is actually cheaper and less harmful to send ppl on one-way missions.
At a cost of 60 Billion and 2-3 billion PER launch (and more likely would be a great deal more expensive than that). OTH, the FH costs America nothing to develop, and it will take up the same amount total for under.5B.
Space WRT to the moon and Mars is NOT about capability. It is now all about economics. Constellation was a nightmare designed by neo-cons and dems alike to provide JOBS for their districts. It has NOTHING to do with NASA, America, or Space. Sadly, the same is true of the SLS.
Not a problem. Talk to your fairy godmother about doing these. They can do it in no time flat. In the mean time, the rest of us will work with current physics and economics reality.
I wish that I had mod points. You are 100% correct. The shuttle was the bastard from hell designed by CONgress and Nixon. What I find amazing is that the ONLY way to cheap launches is by building equipment that can be re-used. Yet, so many claim that it can not be done. Of course, if you never try, it will never happen. Just like Musk said 10 years ago, that he wanted the cheapest launch system in the world and he was told that it was impossible. And now he has it.
Interestingly, many said the same thing about sending men to the moon. And yet, we did it.
You would be surprised how effective H2O is for shielding.
The one place that I believe that Musk has wrong, is that the first couple of missions will NOT be 2 ways. They will be one-way. These ppl MIGHT come back later, but not for a decade or more. And likely, by then, they will not want to.
10 years ago, Musk said that he wanted to make multiple rockets that were cheap to launch. His point was that launch was not about capability, but about economics. He now has the cheapest launch system with the F9 and shortly, the worlds currently largest rocket, the Falcon Heavy. Both of these will beat any launch system unless nations like China and Russia simply subsidize even further, and dump on the global market. As such, more than 2/3 of his flights are Commercial, with many more expected once the FH flies. When he announced this 10 years ago, everybody, including those in gov. backed systems, said that it could not be done.
6 years ago, he won COTS. He said then that he wanted to build a system to provide cargo as well as human launch. His rocket is already human rated, just his capsule is not. However, it was designed with human launch in mind. Even now, all that is missing is an escape system, full life support, an upgrade in software and a change from berthing to docking. His cargo system is within 2 months of final approval for cargo launch. Then he will fly 2-3 launches / year for the next several years, while he focuses on finishing up the human rating of the capsule. Back when COTS started, everybody screamed that Musk could not do cargo for so cheap. Even now, loads of other companies claim that Musk is lying about doing 100 million launches for cargo when others can not even build a capsule for 300 million. Yet, he has a massive contract for NASA. Likewise, Bigelow Aerospace will use him right away once he has human launch capability (which is why Bigelow is re-hiring).
Now, Musk says that he is going to mars in 15 years and you and others scream that he can not do this.
Well, first off, nothing stopped LA->melbourne. In fact, other than a few routes overland (i.e. LA->NYC), there are very few routes passing over land that required supersonic speeds for major savings.
you need to finish reading the whole thing. The stanford/MIT version is what is being talked about. The japenese version simply was a reconfirmation of work done earlier that backed the dual wing. Nothing more. The stanford/MIT modification gave it lift via static configuration, while the japanese version would have to change wing shape dynamically ( read expensive).
BTW Derek, with Masten hard at work on Xeus and backed by NASA, it is a certainty that all of this is targeting the moon and mars. Xeus is a cargo VTVL. Once this is flown and tested here on earth, then it will be able to work on the moon.
Basically, the parts are flowing together, regardless of what CONgress does.
And I will stick with it. By 2020, if not sooner.
nearly EVERYTHING that you put down there, could be said of antarctica. Yet, today, there is a rush going on for it. Why? Because nations have realized that they were short sighted. So, now, nations are desperate to change boundaries and get their own piece of the pie. In particular, China is trying hard to muscle in, even though they just went only in recent history. But their reason for going there is to mine, pillage the oceans, etc.
Now, as to the moon, when putting up a base, the idea situation is to locate a base undergound where it will not get so much radiation, get hit by micrometories, and has a fairly constant temp. In addition, you want access to CHEAP energy. The easiest is the near 100% energy from the sun. Only a few places have them. Likewise, the other biggy is being close to water. Yes, the moon has water. And interestingly, it is actually CHEAPER to send water to LEO from the moon then from earth. The reason is 1/6 G and no atmosphere. The hard part is mining it. But it appears that there is a number of ice places there.
Multiple companies are looking to mine the moon for water. According to the new numbers, this is profitable. Any other element, mineral is just pure gravy. That includes U, Pu, Th, He3, Steel, Al, Ti, etc.
They can not. That is the point of this. The idea is to put enough pressure on this gov. that they collapse. A very nice theory. Sadly, nations like zimbabwae, Iraq, and Libya have shown over and over that other nations will happily cheat.
I know you to be a decent guy, however, I will say that you are wrong about this.
Both Iran and North Korea has been at this for since early 90's. North Korea got loads of help from China, while Iran has gotten loads of help from Pakistan. The real problem is that both North Korea and Pakistan have proved that by holding a nuke, you can stave off any strong nation. W./neo-cons have delivered a number of foolish speeches. However, in each case, they backed it up with NOTHING. Heck, even reagan did the same. He went into lebanon and when we got a bloody nose, he show the yellow spine that he was composed of. Those actions have been disasters.
O is probably doing the right action. There is a lot of speak softly/carry a big stick from him. Smart move.
There will be a land grab on the moon. And yes, there are VERY desirable places there, with the majority NOT being so. Point is, that once private space has a station in LEO, then there will be a push for the moon. Upon the first landing every nation with money will want to go there to build a base. That will mean at the poles. The closer that you are to the poles, the more sun that you get. The more sun, the more cheap cheap energy.
Make no mistake about it. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Australia, Canada, Swede, etc. will want a base there.
The reason is that once private space is properly funded, then it will go to the moon around 2020. That will push Russia to join them. It will be as another ship (probable) or as a buyer of service (not at 100%), or more likely, a combination of these. I suspect that once bigelow puts a base on the moon, then every nation will want to go there, even if it means contracting to bigelow/IDC Dover for lunar base, and one of several up/down services (armadillo, masten, blue origin, etc). Once you are on the lunar surface, then you can set up your own base. IOW, contract with these companies to create your own services.
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So, underage kids in the UK have the right to skip school and not have parents know about it?
Declaring that this is bad is a joke. These are tags in the uniforms of CHILDREN. It is as orwellian as putting RFID in my dogs. I would love to know if my teens cut school. And I am just fine with using a tag in their clothes.
Now, if they want to do this to an adult, or forced embed it in a human, that is a DIFFERENT issue.
Stupid or Greedy? I am not sure which.
is that they will do political things. As such, they have LOADS of windows. And yes, they are LOADED with spies (and the DOD knew it). However, I differ with the expert. NSA should step in and help DOD upgrade everything to a decent set-up. Secure Unix or Linux (with SEL). NO MORE WINDOWS. In addition, restore the security that we used to have back in the 80's. We have slacked so much that many of the contractors are spies. Hell, I have dealt with a probable Chinese spy that was married to a USAF officer.
The USS reagan should be refitted with secured systems, or we should simply send it in the middle east and allow Iran to blow it up (better iran than china).
What amazes me is that EU, Russia, and China are all brighter than so many of the idiots in the DOD and at American companies.
Nope. It suffered because of compromises made. The original shuttle that NASA wanted would have used a system similar to what Scaled is doing. They were going to use valkarye (B-70) to launch a shuttle to space. It was to cost more up-front, but be REAL CHEAP to launch. Then Nixon got involved and made this be cheaper to develop as well as upgraded cargo capacity for RETURN trip. That changed the dynamics. They went with solid rocket boosters, and we know where we are at now.
There is a reason for that. He and Zubrin are pushing this. It is not just Musk, but Bob that wants this. So far, the ONLY thing wrong is that both are pushing for 2-way missions. Big mistake. The other difference is that Musk is pushing for NASA to finish NERVA development and start production of it. With that, THEN we can talk 2-way missions. But until that time, it is actually cheaper and less harmful to send ppl on one-way missions.
Yeah. It is much better to buy from Russia, China, and EU, then to do it here in America for a fraction of the costs.
At a cost of 60 Billion and 2-3 billion PER launch (and more likely would be a great deal more expensive than that). OTH, the FH costs America nothing to develop, and it will take up the same amount total for under .5B.
Space WRT to the moon and Mars is NOT about capability. It is now all about economics. Constellation was a nightmare designed by neo-cons and dems alike to provide JOBS for their districts. It has NOTHING to do with NASA, America, or Space. Sadly, the same is true of the SLS.
Not a problem. Talk to your fairy godmother about doing these. They can do it in no time flat. In the mean time, the rest of us will work with current physics and economics reality.
I wish that I had mod points. You are 100% correct. The shuttle was the bastard from hell designed by CONgress and Nixon. What I find amazing is that the ONLY way to cheap launches is by building equipment that can be re-used. Yet, so many claim that it can not be done. Of course, if you never try, it will never happen. Just like Musk said 10 years ago, that he wanted the cheapest launch system in the world and he was told that it was impossible. And now he has it.
Interestingly, many said the same thing about sending men to the moon. And yet, we did it.
You would be surprised how effective H2O is for shielding.
The one place that I believe that Musk has wrong, is that the first couple of missions will NOT be 2 ways. They will be one-way. These ppl MIGHT come back later, but not for a decade or more. And likely, by then, they will not want to.
10 years ago, Musk said that he wanted to make multiple rockets that were cheap to launch. His point was that launch was not about capability, but about economics. He now has the cheapest launch system with the F9 and shortly, the worlds currently largest rocket, the Falcon Heavy. Both of these will beat any launch system unless nations like China and Russia simply subsidize even further, and dump on the global market. As such, more than 2/3 of his flights are Commercial, with many more expected once the FH flies. When he announced this 10 years ago, everybody, including those in gov. backed systems, said that it could not be done.
6 years ago, he won COTS. He said then that he wanted to build a system to provide cargo as well as human launch. His rocket is already human rated, just his capsule is not. However, it was designed with human launch in mind. Even now, all that is missing is an escape system, full life support, an upgrade in software and a change from berthing to docking. His cargo system is within 2 months of final approval for cargo launch. Then he will fly 2-3 launches / year for the next several years, while he focuses on finishing up the human rating of the capsule. Back when COTS started, everybody screamed that Musk could not do cargo for so cheap. Even now, loads of other companies claim that Musk is lying about doing 100 million launches for cargo when others can not even build a capsule for 300 million. Yet, he has a massive contract for NASA. Likewise, Bigelow Aerospace will use him right away once he has human launch capability (which is why Bigelow is re-hiring).
Now, Musk says that he is going to mars in 15 years and you and others scream that he can not do this.
Do you see a pattern here? I do.
That was only a recent item. Just 10 years ago, I would have said that NYC/LA or NYC/europe were far more useful routes.
Sure. But so is the B-52 as well as KC-135 (military version of B-707). Think that those are good models to follow?
Well, first off, nothing stopped LA->melbourne. In fact, other than a few routes overland (i.e. LA->NYC), there are very few routes passing over land that required supersonic speeds for major savings.
The B-1 is from carter's time. IOW, it is an OLD bomber. Not as old as B-52, but old in design nevertheless.
you need to finish reading the whole thing. The stanford/MIT version is what is being talked about. The japenese version simply was a reconfirmation of work done earlier that backed the dual wing. Nothing more. The stanford/MIT modification gave it lift via static configuration, while the japanese version would have to change wing shape dynamically ( read expensive).
BTW Derek, with Masten hard at work on Xeus and backed by NASA, it is a certainty that all of this is targeting the moon and mars. Xeus is a cargo VTVL. Once this is flown and tested here on earth, then it will be able to work on the moon.
Basically, the parts are flowing together, regardless of what CONgress does.
And I will stick with it. By 2020, if not sooner.
nearly EVERYTHING that you put down there, could be said of antarctica. Yet, today, there is a rush going on for it. Why? Because nations have realized that they were short sighted. So, now, nations are desperate to change boundaries and get their own piece of the pie. In particular, China is trying hard to muscle in, even though they just went only in recent history. But their reason for going there is to mine, pillage the oceans, etc.
Now, as to the moon, when putting up a base, the idea situation is to locate a base undergound where it will not get so much radiation, get hit by micrometories, and has a fairly constant temp. In addition, you want access to CHEAP energy. The easiest is the near 100% energy from the sun. Only a few places have them. Likewise, the other biggy is being close to water. Yes, the moon has water. And interestingly, it is actually CHEAPER to send water to LEO from the moon then from earth. The reason is 1/6 G and no atmosphere. The hard part is mining it. But it appears that there is a number of ice places there.
Multiple companies are looking to mine the moon for water. According to the new numbers, this is profitable. Any other element, mineral is just pure gravy. That includes U, Pu, Th, He3, Steel, Al, Ti, etc.
And most ppl miss the fact that Von Braun got his architecture from an American: robert Goddard
They can not. That is the point of this. The idea is to put enough pressure on this gov. that they collapse. A very nice theory. Sadly, nations like zimbabwae, Iraq, and Libya have shown over and over that other nations will happily cheat.
I know you to be a decent guy, however, I will say that you are wrong about this.
Both Iran and North Korea has been at this for since early 90's. North Korea got loads of help from China, while Iran has gotten loads of help from Pakistan. The real problem is that both North Korea and Pakistan have proved that by holding a nuke, you can stave off any strong nation. W./neo-cons have delivered a number of foolish speeches. However, in each case, they backed it up with NOTHING. Heck, even reagan did the same. He went into lebanon and when we got a bloody nose, he show the yellow spine that he was composed of. Those actions have been disasters.
O is probably doing the right action. There is a lot of speak softly/carry a big stick from him. Smart move.
I will ignore your insult and tell you just one word: Antarctica.
There will be a land grab on the moon. And yes, there are VERY desirable places there, with the majority NOT being so. Point is, that once private space has a station in LEO, then there will be a push for the moon. Upon the first landing every nation with money will want to go there to build a base. That will mean at the poles. The closer that you are to the poles, the more sun that you get. The more sun, the more cheap cheap energy.
Make no mistake about it. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Australia, Canada, Swede, etc. will want a base there.
The reason is that once private space is properly funded, then it will go to the moon around 2020. That will push Russia to join them. It will be as another ship (probable) or as a buyer of service (not at 100%), or more likely, a combination of these. I suspect that once bigelow puts a base on the moon, then every nation will want to go there, even if it means contracting to bigelow/IDC Dover for lunar base, and one of several up/down services (armadillo, masten, blue origin, etc). Once you are on the lunar surface, then you can set up your own base. IOW, contract with these companies to create your own services.