Actually, I am a fan of wind. The problem is that it is not a 24x7 solution, and without storage, it suffers the same problem as Solar PV. I am a fan of allowing a real open market with, subsidies/breaks/etc ONLY for issues that need to be solved i.e. any energy that does not emit a certain amount of pollution gets a time-limited and time decreasing subsidies; Likewise, another subsidy for any of the above that are baseload capable (geo-thermal, nukes, etc); And another subsidy for storage of energy that can be called up upon demand.
Solar PV STILL has not been able to pay for itself within 20 years. ANd in the 70's, the costs of cells were much higher (lower yields, lower efficiency, etc) and competing against much lower costs energy. Solar THERMAL, OTH, pays for itself. In fact, it has a cost below Nukes, and natural gas, though still higher than Coal. In fact, one of the smartest things to do is to add solar thermal
And then there is geo-thermal. Much lower cost than Coal. And much cleaner. Geysers has had issues, but that is because it is an open system. They and Iceland are one of the few that run an open system. Most have moved to closed systems, which solves all of those issues. And right now, America and the world needs LOADS of geo-thermal.
Actually, each state combined with EPA decides how and what to enforce. It is up to WV to take the needed actions
Now, as to seperating the minerals, that is already being looked at. Today, it is expensive, but in the geysers, they are working on making this cheap. In addition, that same approach is used in Canada and here in the west to extract uranium from the soil.
Short answer, it may be expensive today, but will be cheaper with time.
Hairy,
I live here in COlorado. Believe me, we have loads of mine and loads of wells. A coal mine IS dirty. Gold, Uranium, etc are even dirtier. We have loads of issues with irresponsible companies that have been here and the fact that they do not restore the land.
BUT, a MINE is not a well. Wells biggest issues are those that are fracking and having taken shortcuts. Those shortcuts save a few bucks, but typically allow leaks (think of the recent gulf oil spill). But geo-thermal is different. Compared to mining (and compared to solar PV/wind/etc), it is clean.
I have spent some time teaching there. Believe me, if you have geo-thermal close to the top, rather than deep, then you will see money chasing it. 200C on a binary system is pretty good.
Actually, drilling is far more environmentally cleaner than is mining. Mining normally involves tailings, except for Coal. With coal, they simply strip mine it as you have pointed out. Geo-thermal, is a fairly clean operation. Yeah, it has its issues, but they are SOOO much less than Coal. In fact, it is around the same as Solar PV, and even less than Wind. Solar PV involves some pretty wicked chemicals. Likewise, Wind requires loads of Rare Earth Elements, iron, etc. In the end, you have to pick your poison on where you are going to get your energy. Myself? I will take geo-thermal. Ideally, we would allow all energy to compete on a level field, rather than allowing politicians to pick it by who lines their pockets.
There are LOADS of hot springs in which the water is 100F, but underneath it, the water remains relatively low temp (say 150F). The reason is that you can have relatively porous ground that allows the heat up there. Out here in the west, we have loads of hot springs, with the heat being down at 20-30K and even then, it is only at 160F. Basically, there is no real correlation of a hot spring at 100F and temps below.
The pompous remark was the original poster calling researcher idiots. Since they had only 4 data points for the state throughout history, nobody had looked at the state. Yet, the poster either did not read the article (could not read it?), or just decided to put down others without a single intelligent thought. I am guessing that you were the original poster.
OTH, somebody like Google will have no issue with putting in their OWN system, setting up a data center, and shipping bits/bytes out. What would that do to WV? It would lead to a massive influx of money seeking to do the same. And that would lead to the high tension lines as well. For WV, this is the best thing possible.
Yup, 200C is quite close to 100F.
Personally, I think that postings like the parent makes a good case that America really needs to invest and increase the spending on education. Without it, we will continue to churn out ppl like this. Of course, s?he is from West Virgina (the land of dueling banjos in far too many places).
Yeah, it would never dawn on a mining state to be interested in obtaining lithium, Rare Earths, etc. Nor would they or the EPA know how to handle this correctly.
Skipping the sarcasm, the drilling will likely be a binary system, and would be a good way to obtain minerals, elements since it is a by-product. Then what is left can be re-injected back in. Basically, it turns a well from a energy producer into a energy and mineral producer.
Oil Well drillers want to put a hole in the ground and get money out of it. Simple as that. Most oil wells last about 20 years (if lucky). A binary geo-thermal well will last 50+ years assuming that you do not pump it too fast.
Dems run around throwing money at Wind (meh) and Solar PV (a waste of money). Yet, the simple answer here is to not just support geothermal, but do it in a smart way. Most dry wells are ran down to about 10'K feet. Yet most heat is in the 10-20'K feet arena. So who not offer up a tax break for dry wellers to drill down to that region to locate heat. This would not occur everywhere, but it would occur where ever heat is generally known to exist. With this approach, drilling companies bear the first half of the risk while gov. then helps in the second half.
This is stupid. It is just a gadfly and nothing more. They will simply swat it away.
Instead, it makes far more sense to run through their various servers and locate evidence of illegal actions taken on the part or in behalf of the publishing companies. The simple fact is, that crackers could do a real service by locating evidence of how many illegal actions these companies have taken (and yes, they ALL have ). Then get lawyers to sue these companies AND INDIVIDUALS. Once a few of them go to prison, I suspect that attitudes will change.
Totally agree with EVERYTHING that you said, with the exception that you are defending USA. USA will not likely pick up anything WRT cst, UNLESS they form a space line. Now, that is a possibility. Otherwise, Boeing is going to take the same attitude as SpaceX and hire their own (yeah, I know that USA is owned in part by Boeing, BUT, the answer is IN PART). However, if Boeing can see the same model in space as aviation, they will jump on it. In fact, they may be more willing to, since CST will only last for about 10 flights. For the next decade, rockets will rule all human launch, though after that, Skylon as well as Scaled composites COULD take hold.
But USA will have to consider being the next virgin galaxy. My suggestion to them:
1) contact Armadillo and Blue Origin and find out how soon somebody has a sub orbital ready. They COULD be ready in the next 2 years. Competing against Scaled would not be that hard.
2) Try to develop new markets for CST, and even cargo. Then take on the other companies.
3) Ideally, try to get into a private space station.
They were hiking in Northern Iraq IN A TOURIST AREA. They disappeared. Right now, your thought is that they were CIA, even though they all have peace corp under their belts and degree that are not sought by the CIA. Likewise, from the photos that I have seen, I would not call them professional. They looked like.... peacecorp type. Personally, I would guess that these guys did not think about hiking in areas, and may have been on the border and nabbed by the Iranians. Always keep in mind that eastern Iraq, even northeastern Iraq, is actually dominated by those with Iranian loyalties, not to Iraq.
Quant,
I have seen multiple new statements DIRECTLY FROM CNSA, as well as CPLA (their bosses), around 2004-5. Griffin went to CHina because of those. I am not going to bother to google for them, since I KNOW that they were there. The problem is, that neo-cons started saying that we were in a space race with CHina, so Chinese buried their statements and stopped saying them.
I know. Thankfully, we killed constellation and have pushed harder to get multiple archs. going via private fixed costs space, rather than cost plus space, which leads to huge prices. Once we start having low cost launches combined with multiple destinations (say several PRIVATE space stations), then we will see private fixed costs companies going to the moon. Yes, times are looking up for NASA.
It has already happened. The USA sent a number of men to the moon. And they regularly share not just the experience, but we brought back so much rock, that we have shared some with just about every nation on this planet. In addition, you can pick up a DVD of it. Heck, new footage was just released in Australia and will be coming here soon.
What bugs me about this, is that NASA laid off NOBODY. Absolutely NOBODY.
It was United Space Alliance that did the layoff. They have known since 2004 that the jobs would be going away. What did U.S.A. do about it? Nothing.
Yet, without reading the postings here, I will put money down that many have blamed Obama, Dems, etc. Basically, EVERYBODY except those that deserved the blame: THE EXECUTIVES OF United Space A.
But, I would think that tech has changed in 50 years. Personally, I think that making the turbine spin the tires is a mistake. Just have 1-2 small turbines/generator sets for creating electricity, and then focus on getting electric motors to being better. Otherwise, you have to focus on a transmission for the rear.
While we may have national speed limits, some areas are allowed to go past it. That is just like driving. We have a national speed limit of 75, but a number of western states ignore that, and allow 85-95 depending on conditions. For example, in Wyoming, on I-80, you can do 90 if others are not around, which happens frequently. As to the trains, well, I have driven next to one train that was heading east, around the byers, Colorado area. I slowed down to 70 so that my son could watch it. So, that one certainly exceeded the limits. I suspect that western states allow it in particular areas.
Actually, much of the cargo that travels via plane, would be just fine travelling via high speed express. Best example is Mail. It could easily go via a high-speed train that runs across the nation in under 15 hours. Likewise, our vegis, fruits, even fresh meat, etc could go that way. All of this depends on a high speed system that is fast (few stops) and inexpensive. And it does not have to be on the lines as the slow ones. Out here in the west, we can normally get more tracks in easily enough, as we have plenty of space here to avoid traveling through towns. That has the advantage of allowing both slow and high speed rails to run at the same time.
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Actually, I am a fan of wind. The problem is that it is not a 24x7 solution, and without storage, it suffers the same problem as Solar PV. I am a fan of allowing a real open market with, subsidies/breaks/etc ONLY for issues that need to be solved i.e. any energy that does not emit a certain amount of pollution gets a time-limited and time decreasing subsidies; Likewise, another subsidy for any of the above that are baseload capable (geo-thermal, nukes, etc); And another subsidy for storage of energy that can be called up upon demand.
Solar PV STILL has not been able to pay for itself within 20 years. ANd in the 70's, the costs of cells were much higher (lower yields, lower efficiency, etc) and competing against much lower costs energy. Solar THERMAL, OTH, pays for itself. In fact, it has a cost below Nukes, and natural gas, though still higher than Coal. In fact, one of the smartest things to do is to add solar thermal
And then there is geo-thermal. Much lower cost than Coal. And much cleaner. Geysers has had issues, but that is because it is an open system. They and Iceland are one of the few that run an open system. Most have moved to closed systems, which solves all of those issues. And right now, America and the world needs LOADS of geo-thermal.
Oh, on a side note; arsenic is non-mutagenic. If you have cattle with 2 heads, then you have an issue. But it is not arsenic.
Actually, each state combined with EPA decides how and what to enforce. It is up to WV to take the needed actions
Now, as to seperating the minerals, that is already being looked at. Today, it is expensive, but in the geysers, they are working on making this cheap. In addition, that same approach is used in Canada and here in the west to extract uranium from the soil.
Short answer, it may be expensive today, but will be cheaper with time.
Hairy,
I live here in COlorado. Believe me, we have loads of mine and loads of wells. A coal mine IS dirty. Gold, Uranium, etc are even dirtier. We have loads of issues with irresponsible companies that have been here and the fact that they do not restore the land.
BUT, a MINE is not a well. Wells biggest issues are those that are fracking and having taken shortcuts. Those shortcuts save a few bucks, but typically allow leaks (think of the recent gulf oil spill). But geo-thermal is different. Compared to mining (and compared to solar PV/wind/etc), it is clean.
I have spent some time teaching there. Believe me, if you have geo-thermal close to the top, rather than deep, then you will see money chasing it. 200C on a binary system is pretty good.
Actually, drilling is far more environmentally cleaner than is mining. Mining normally involves tailings, except for Coal. With coal, they simply strip mine it as you have pointed out. Geo-thermal, is a fairly clean operation. Yeah, it has its issues, but they are SOOO much less than Coal. In fact, it is around the same as Solar PV, and even less than Wind. Solar PV involves some pretty wicked chemicals. Likewise, Wind requires loads of Rare Earth Elements, iron, etc. In the end, you have to pick your poison on where you are going to get your energy. Myself? I will take geo-thermal. Ideally, we would allow all energy to compete on a level field, rather than allowing politicians to pick it by who lines their pockets.
Just because somebody does not offer up a full explanation of the issue or thoughts on it does not mean that it was not considered.
There are LOADS of hot springs in which the water is 100F, but underneath it, the water remains relatively low temp (say 150F). The reason is that you can have relatively porous ground that allows the heat up there. Out here in the west, we have loads of hot springs, with the heat being down at 20-30K and even then, it is only at 160F. Basically, there is no real correlation of a hot spring at 100F and temps below.
The pompous remark was the original poster calling researcher idiots. Since they had only 4 data points for the state throughout history, nobody had looked at the state. Yet, the poster either did not read the article (could not read it?), or just decided to put down others without a single intelligent thought. I am guessing that you were the original poster.
OTH, somebody like Google will have no issue with putting in their OWN system, setting up a data center, and shipping bits/bytes out. What would that do to WV? It would lead to a massive influx of money seeking to do the same. And that would lead to the high tension lines as well. For WV, this is the best thing possible.
Yup, 200C is quite close to 100F.
Personally, I think that postings like the parent makes a good case that America really needs to invest and increase the spending on education. Without it, we will continue to churn out ppl like this. Of course, s?he is from West Virgina (the land of dueling banjos in far too many places).
Yeah, it would never dawn on a mining state to be interested in obtaining lithium, Rare Earths, etc. Nor would they or the EPA know how to handle this correctly.
Skipping the sarcasm, the drilling will likely be a binary system, and would be a good way to obtain minerals, elements since it is a by-product. Then what is left can be re-injected back in. Basically, it turns a well from a energy producer into a energy and mineral producer.
Oil Well drillers want to put a hole in the ground and get money out of it. Simple as that. Most oil wells last about 20 years (if lucky). A binary geo-thermal well will last 50+ years assuming that you do not pump it too fast.
Dems run around throwing money at Wind (meh) and Solar PV (a waste of money). Yet, the simple answer here is to not just support geothermal, but do it in a smart way. Most dry wells are ran down to about 10'K feet. Yet most heat is in the 10-20'K feet arena. So who not offer up a tax break for dry wellers to drill down to that region to locate heat. This would not occur everywhere, but it would occur where ever heat is generally known to exist. With this approach, drilling companies bear the first half of the risk while gov. then helps in the second half.
This is stupid. It is just a gadfly and nothing more. They will simply swat it away.
Instead, it makes far more sense to run through their various servers and locate evidence of illegal actions taken on the part or in behalf of the publishing companies. The simple fact is, that crackers could do a real service by locating evidence of how many illegal actions these companies have taken (and yes, they ALL have ). Then get lawyers to sue these companies AND INDIVIDUALS. Once a few of them go to prison, I suspect that attitudes will change.
Totally agree with EVERYTHING that you said, with the exception that you are defending USA. USA will not likely pick up anything WRT cst, UNLESS they form a space line. Now, that is a possibility. Otherwise, Boeing is going to take the same attitude as SpaceX and hire their own (yeah, I know that USA is owned in part by Boeing, BUT, the answer is IN PART). However, if Boeing can see the same model in space as aviation, they will jump on it. In fact, they may be more willing to, since CST will only last for about 10 flights. For the next decade, rockets will rule all human launch, though after that, Skylon as well as Scaled composites COULD take hold. But USA will have to consider being the next virgin galaxy. My suggestion to them: 1) contact Armadillo and Blue Origin and find out how soon somebody has a sub orbital ready. They COULD be ready in the next 2 years. Competing against Scaled would not be that hard. 2) Try to develop new markets for CST, and even cargo. Then take on the other companies. 3) Ideally, try to get into a private space station.
but ALL electric vehicles are plug-in. It is only hybrids that have or do not have plug-ins.
They were hiking in Northern Iraq IN A TOURIST AREA. They disappeared. Right now, your thought is that they were CIA, even though they all have peace corp under their belts and degree that are not sought by the CIA. Likewise, from the photos that I have seen, I would not call them professional. They looked like .... peacecorp type. Personally, I would guess that these guys did not think about hiking in areas, and may have been on the border and nabbed by the Iranians. Always keep in mind that eastern Iraq, even northeastern Iraq, is actually dominated by those with Iranian loyalties, not to Iraq.
Quant, I have seen multiple new statements DIRECTLY FROM CNSA, as well as CPLA (their bosses), around 2004-5. Griffin went to CHina because of those. I am not going to bother to google for them, since I KNOW that they were there. The problem is, that neo-cons started saying that we were in a space race with CHina, so Chinese buried their statements and stopped saying them.
I hope that they do, and show it on TV. As it is, the US is headed into a trade war with China.
I know. Thankfully, we killed constellation and have pushed harder to get multiple archs. going via private fixed costs space, rather than cost plus space, which leads to huge prices. Once we start having low cost launches combined with multiple destinations (say several PRIVATE space stations), then we will see private fixed costs companies going to the moon. Yes, times are looking up for NASA.
It has already happened. The USA sent a number of men to the moon. And they regularly share not just the experience, but we brought back so much rock, that we have shared some with just about every nation on this planet. In addition, you can pick up a DVD of it. Heck, new footage was just released in Australia and will be coming here soon.
What bugs me about this, is that NASA laid off NOBODY. Absolutely NOBODY.
It was United Space Alliance that did the layoff. They have known since 2004 that the jobs would be going away. What did U.S.A. do about it? Nothing.
Yet, without reading the postings here, I will put money down that many have blamed Obama, Dems, etc. Basically, EVERYBODY except those that deserved the blame: THE EXECUTIVES OF United Space A.
I am tired of this. Israel, tell the controllers to blow up the plant. If it exists, then lets get rid of it.
That is exactly what killed Chryslers car from early 60's
But, I would think that tech has changed in 50 years. Personally, I think that making the turbine spin the tires is a mistake. Just have 1-2 small turbines/generator sets for creating electricity, and then focus on getting electric motors to being better. Otherwise, you have to focus on a transmission for the rear.
While we may have national speed limits, some areas are allowed to go past it. That is just like driving. We have a national speed limit of 75, but a number of western states ignore that, and allow 85-95 depending on conditions. For example, in Wyoming, on I-80, you can do 90 if others are not around, which happens frequently. As to the trains, well, I have driven next to one train that was heading east, around the byers, Colorado area. I slowed down to 70 so that my son could watch it. So, that one certainly exceeded the limits. I suspect that western states allow it in particular areas.
Actually, much of the cargo that travels via plane, would be just fine travelling via high speed express. Best example is Mail. It could easily go via a high-speed train that runs across the nation in under 15 hours. Likewise, our vegis, fruits, even fresh meat, etc could go that way. All of this depends on a high speed system that is fast (few stops) and inexpensive. And it does not have to be on the lines as the slow ones. Out here in the west, we can normally get more tracks in easily enough, as we have plenty of space here to avoid traveling through towns. That has the advantage of allowing both slow and high speed rails to run at the same time.