I really want an email client that can work well on a dual-boot Windows/Linux machine, using the same set of files for email.
At home, I keep my email on a FAT32 partition, and read the email with Mozilla Mail on both Windows and Linux. It works, but Mozilla Mail is really slow and lacking in some features.
I'm considering setting up a second box to serve as an IMAP server, but I'm lacking time and money.
2) John Romero's magazine ad that ran pre-Daikatana that said "John Romero's going to make you his bitch." (I can't find the image, but I know it's kicking around somewhere on the net)
Ha ha. And like most men who say "I'll make you my bitch", Romero just goes to show that he's another whiny man with a big ego.
Seriously, I know what you are trying to say, but isn't that what all distro's do? and if Ximian is doing the same, does that make Ximian a distro? Isn't that the *definition* of a distro?
It's a 'Gnome Distro', in the same way that you have 'Sun Gnome', RedHat Gnome or the vanilla Gnome available from gnome.org.
"Linux distro" is a vague term. In my mind, a distro includes the Kernel, tools that support the kernel, libraries to support the kernel, and basic level tools to manipulate the OS (ls, cp, odprobe). Ximian includes none of these.
The best way to maintain a stable 200 packages *from Ximians perspective* is to roll your own, and give those to your customers.
Well, we're talking about Ximian the business, so of course it's the best thing from Ximian's perspective. However, it is also beneficial for home users and administrators of a Linux office environment.
Ximian's target consumer is mostly large offices who are looking to run a centrally managed Linux desktop. From an administrators perspective, it makes sense to let Ximian manage the packages.
The best way from the end users perspective is to use something that doesn't screw up your exisiting distro.
RedHat's Gnome and Woody's Gnome are already partially screwed up, in my eyes. Even with the current Redhat Gnome or Gnome on Debian Woody, I still get stuck in dependancy hell.
Personally, I like offloading some of the work to Ximian even for my home system. It makes less work for me.
They only support three releases of Red Hat and SuSe 8.2. Not supporting even *the* desktop distribution, Mandrake.
Mandrake is a find distro, but I'm not sure if it's *the* destktop distro any longer. May be a location thing, but I don't know anyone who uses Mandrake. Plus, Mandrake Corp. is bankrupt, and may not survive.
I know many places that use RedHat or SuSE, and a few that use Debian (But not at the enterprise desktop level. Debian users are usually some people daring to be different in a Windows office).
If you were a strugling business trying to sell Linux desktops to the corporate environment, the most profitable path is to support the distro's with the biggest user base and the best corporate support. Today, that's SuSE and RedHat.
200 packages is a very difficult thing to maintain. You have up to 200 different versions, and only very few are guarenteed to be completely compatable with the other packages. Otherwise, you're just aiming for a moving target (Developers of GTK1.2 and Gnome2 complained about the specs and packages changing frequently).
The best way to maintain a stable release of a project that uses all 200 packages is to maintain your own version of all these packages: freeze their version number (feature freeze), and have your release & QA team verify each package (which is what the *ximian.rpm means).
As a consumer, I'm happy that Ximian does this. It means I don't have to decend into depencency hell just to maintain a stable desktop environment.
On the downside, it means I don't get all the latest and greatest features with all of the Ximian packages. For certain products, like Gaim and Mozilla, I use my own packages because I'm willing to maintain my own packages, and don't want to wait for Ximian's release team.
Since the horrific attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the federal Transportation Security Administration has, without any public announcement, created a two-tiered list of names...
"without any public announcement"
Where has this guy been? These name lists have been hotly debated for 1.5 years.
Debate the effectiveness of a name list all you want, an author starts off with such a poor argument, it really makes me doubt the rest of the story.
A PeopleSoft employee, and I can tell you that we aren't selling to Oracle.
Unfortunately, it's out of your control. Even Craig Conway has limited control over what will happen, the choice belongs to the stockholders. If Oracle can buy > 50% of the stock, Conway is gone.
I don't know Oracle that much, but I thought they basically sold a sequel database on steroid,
And Microsoft, Sun and Apple basically sell operating systems.
A relational databases on steroids can be very valuable. Almost every large profitable computer company uses a relational database on their back end.
It is not uncommon for a small business to pay $50,000 for an Oracle setup.
There are many mid-to-large organizations who have Oracle setups that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, running on large disk arrays that cost over $1 million.
And yes, one of my coworkers almost dropped one of these babies on my foot! My boss made a crack like "It's cheaper to fix your foot then it is to fix this big computer". But he was just joking... I think.
How would the Oracle purchase of Peoplesoft affect Linux? Oracle has been pushing Linux for a while. Peoplesoft is mostly installed on Windows (apparently Peoplesoft has pretty spotty support for Linux & Solaris).
A number of large businesses and private and public universities in the SF Bay Area have been installing Peoplesoft. The name "Peoplesoft" keeps coming up in discussions, and is usually accompanied by some cussing by the people who use it.
IIRC, UC Berkeley and Cal State Hayward are both moving from their inhouse solutions to Peoplesoft for the student record database (Causing many headaches among the students and staff). I've talked to some Unix admins at both places who griping about having to learn Windows and Peoplesoft.
These Universities are cutting budgets, but are still spending money on hardware, Windows licences, staff, training, training, and more training to accomodate the new Peoplesoft solution. The HR dept says this will save them lots of money.
But if Oracle takes ownership of Peoplesoft, will we see more Linux support in the future?
Microsoft wrote this vulnerability even longer ago. Why did they not stop to think "do we really, really want to automatically run any EXE files which are emailed to us?
MS made a horrible decision, I agree. However, all software has bugs, all designs have flaws. At least MS fixed the problem, to bad so many people never applied this fix.
Just imagine all the exploits that exist on Linux system that has remained unpatched for over 2 years.
Native Saudi Arabians are on average much richer than Americans.
There are many rich people in Saudi Arabia, but most of the money is concentrated within a very small minority of the people who do business with American and European oil compnaies. The average Saudi Arabian is quite poor. This inequitable distribution of income only feeds the anti-Western sentiment.
it might be more restorative to find a recreation that doesn't involve looking at a screen.
I completely agree with you. Personally, I like to go bicycling to to the climbing gym.
But sometimes, when I'm too physically tired to go for a good ride, or if the weather is not cooperating, a computer game is a good way to get away for a while.
If it's a game, I think it's not productive by definition:)
This is fine. Not everything in life has to be productive. If you're trying to be 'productive' 100% of the time, you're going to end up as a miserable shriveled heap hiding under the sheets all day.
I'm 30, and many people I know are starting to break down and have midlife crises' because their work is their life.
We all need to take a break and have fun.
So go play. Don't worry about being 'productive'.
But if you REALLY want to document Lan-parties, you need to include "Smell-o-vision" (TM)!!!
Personally, 3.0 is very slow and memory intensive on my machine, and the new UI leaves alot to be desired.
I just downgraded from 3.0c to 2.92 today. I forgot how speedy 2.92 is.
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I tried it for RH 8 and 9, and it works great.
I've been using it for RH9 for a month now. The program freezes on my 50% of the time. If I kill it, the RPM database remains locked, so I can't run any another programs that need the RPM database...
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for crying out loud I can't send my OpenOffice document to my friend who uses AbiWord
At LinuxWorld/SF in August 2002, Abiword and the OpenOffice people announced that they would use a common file format.
Unfortunately, I can't find the link.
Anyone out there know of the status of the agreement?
Difficult (c) to Read (c).
It may be difficult to read, but it sure is easy to FEAD© !!!
Yes, and the next major versions might be using alot of C# code.
I'd love to have Evolution on Windows.
I really want an email client that can work well on a dual-boot Windows/Linux machine, using the same set of files for email.
At home, I keep my email on a FAT32 partition, and read the email with Mozilla Mail on both Windows and Linux. It works, but Mozilla Mail is really slow and lacking in some features.
I'm considering setting up a second box to serve as an IMAP server, but I'm lacking time and money.
2) John Romero's magazine ad that ran pre-Daikatana that said "John Romero's going to make you his bitch." (I can't find the image, but I know it's kicking around somewhere on the net)
Ha ha. And like most men who say "I'll make you my bitch", Romero just goes to show that he's another whiny man with a big ego.
Grow up Romero.
Seriously, I know what you are trying to say, but isn't that what all distro's do? and if Ximian is doing the same, does that make Ximian a distro? Isn't that the *definition* of a distro?
It's a 'Gnome Distro', in the same way that you have 'Sun Gnome', RedHat Gnome or the vanilla Gnome available from gnome.org.
"Linux distro" is a vague term. In my mind, a distro includes the Kernel, tools that support the kernel, libraries to support the kernel, and basic level tools to manipulate the OS (ls, cp, odprobe). Ximian includes none of these.
The best way to maintain a stable 200 packages *from Ximians perspective* is to roll your own, and give those to your customers.
Well, we're talking about Ximian the business, so of course it's the best thing from Ximian's perspective. However, it is also beneficial for home users and administrators of a Linux office environment.
Ximian's target consumer is mostly large offices who are looking to run a centrally managed Linux desktop. From an administrators perspective, it makes sense to let Ximian manage the packages.
The best way from the end users perspective is to use something that doesn't screw up your exisiting distro.
RedHat's Gnome and Woody's Gnome are already partially screwed up, in my eyes. Even with the current Redhat Gnome or Gnome on Debian Woody, I still get stuck in dependancy hell.
Personally, I like offloading some of the work to Ximian even for my home system. It makes less work for me.
They only support three releases of Red Hat and SuSe 8.2. Not supporting even *the* desktop distribution, Mandrake.
Mandrake is a find distro, but I'm not sure if it's *the* destktop distro any longer. May be a location thing, but I don't know anyone who uses Mandrake. Plus, Mandrake Corp. is bankrupt, and may not survive.
I know many places that use RedHat or SuSE, and a few that use Debian (But not at the enterprise desktop level. Debian users are usually some people daring to be different in a Windows office).
If you were a strugling business trying to sell Linux desktops to the corporate environment, the most profitable path is to support the distro's with the biggest user base and the best corporate support. Today, that's SuSE and RedHat.
200 packages is a very difficult thing to maintain. You have up to 200 different versions, and only very few are guarenteed to be completely compatable with the other packages. Otherwise, you're just aiming for a moving target (Developers of GTK1.2 and Gnome2 complained about the specs and packages changing frequently).
The best way to maintain a stable release of a project that uses all 200 packages is to maintain your own version of all these packages: freeze their version number (feature freeze), and have your release & QA team verify each package (which is what the *ximian.rpm means).
As a consumer, I'm happy that Ximian does this. It means I don't have to decend into depencency hell just to maintain a stable desktop environment.
On the downside, it means I don't get all the latest and greatest features with all of the Ximian packages. For certain products, like Gaim and Mozilla, I use my own packages because I'm willing to maintain my own packages, and don't want to wait for Ximian's release team.
i couldnt get more than 15 feet from the phone.
:)
The headsets are small and low power. Doesn't suprise me that it couldn't reach more then 15 feet.
My guess is that your phone could reach your headset, but not visa versa.
Of course, you could always redesign the headset and attach a 4AA battery pack to provide enough power for a boosted signal
Anyone else turned off by the third paragraph?
Since the horrific attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the federal Transportation Security Administration has, without any public announcement, created a two-tiered list of names...
"without any public announcement"
Where has this guy been? These name lists have been hotly debated for 1.5 years.
Debate the effectiveness of a name list all you want, an author starts off with such a poor argument, it really makes me doubt the rest of the story.
A PeopleSoft employee, and I can tell you that we aren't selling to Oracle.
Unfortunately, it's out of your control. Even Craig Conway has limited control over what will happen, the choice belongs to the stockholders. If Oracle can buy > 50% of the stock, Conway is gone.
But good luck to you.
I don't know Oracle that much, but I thought they basically sold a sequel database on steroid,
And Microsoft, Sun and Apple basically sell operating systems.
A relational databases on steroids can be very valuable. Almost every large profitable computer company uses a relational database on their back end.
It is not uncommon for a small business to pay $50,000 for an Oracle setup.
There are many mid-to-large organizations who have Oracle setups that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, running on large disk arrays that cost over $1 million.
And yes, one of my coworkers almost dropped one of these babies on my foot! My boss made a crack like "It's cheaper to fix your foot then it is to fix this big computer". But he was just joking... I think.
How would the Oracle purchase of Peoplesoft affect Linux? Oracle has been pushing Linux for a while. Peoplesoft is mostly installed on Windows (apparently Peoplesoft has pretty spotty support for Linux & Solaris).
A number of large businesses and private and public universities in the SF Bay Area have been installing Peoplesoft. The name "Peoplesoft" keeps coming up in discussions, and is usually accompanied by some cussing by the people who use it.
IIRC, UC Berkeley and Cal State Hayward are both moving from their inhouse solutions to Peoplesoft for the student record database (Causing many headaches among the students and staff). I've talked to some Unix admins at both places who griping about having to learn Windows and Peoplesoft.
These Universities are cutting budgets, but are still spending money on hardware, Windows licences, staff, training, training, and more training to accomodate the new Peoplesoft solution. The HR dept says this will save them lots of money.
But if Oracle takes ownership of Peoplesoft, will we see more Linux support in the future?
Yes, but plugging a computer chip into a slot on the motherboard isn't very educational.
It's The Tick's secret headquarters!
Microsoft wrote this vulnerability even longer ago. Why did they not stop to think "do we really, really want to automatically run any EXE files which are emailed to us?
MS made a horrible decision, I agree. However, all software has bugs, all designs have flaws. At least MS fixed the problem, to bad so many people never applied this fix.
Just imagine all the exploits that exist on Linux system that has remained unpatched for over 2 years.
Chairface (From "The Tick" comics and cartoon) wrote his name on the moon, but apparently The Tick made it all the way to Venus
Native Saudi Arabians are on average much richer than Americans.
There are many rich people in Saudi Arabia, but most of the money is concentrated within a very small minority of the people who do business with American and European oil compnaies. The average Saudi Arabian is quite poor. This inequitable distribution of income only feeds the anti-Western sentiment.
From the CIA World Factbook, GDP - per capita.
Saudi Arabia: purchasing power parity - $10,600 (2001 est.)
USA: purchasing power parity - $36,300 (2001 est
Hey, I'm open other ideas.
But if you're going to dispute me, at least provide some links.
Patch for what? ... It exploits a user vulnerability (stupidity), not an OS one.
Patch, for the exploit in IE.
According to Symantec and McAfee, Bugbear.B uses an IE exploit that was fixed over 2 years ago : "Outgoing messages look to make use of the Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail Attachment vulnerability (MS01-020)".
You can fix the OS, but you can't fix the users. People who get hit by this have nobody to blame but themselves (or their Windows administrator).
Microsoft fixed this vulnerability more then 2 years ago. Why do people not update their software?
According to Symantec, Bugbear.B "uses the Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail Attachment vulnerability".
it might be more restorative to find a recreation that doesn't involve looking at a screen.
I completely agree with you. Personally, I like to go bicycling to to the climbing gym.
But sometimes, when I'm too physically tired to go for a good ride, or if the weather is not cooperating, a computer game is a good way to get away for a while.
is it a non-productive use of time?
:)
If it's a game, I think it's not productive by definition
This is fine. Not everything in life has to be productive. If you're trying to be 'productive' 100% of the time, you're going to end up as a miserable shriveled heap hiding under the sheets all day.
I'm 30, and many people I know are starting to break down and have midlife crises' because their work is their life.
We all need to take a break and have fun.
So go play. Don't worry about being 'productive'.
But if you REALLY want to document Lan-parties, you need to include "Smell-o-vision" (TM)!!!
Many people still run Winamp2.92.
Personally, 3.0 is very slow and memory intensive on my machine, and the new UI leaves alot to be desired.
I just downgraded from 3.0c to 2.92 today. I forgot how speedy 2.92 is.
I tried it for RH 8 and 9, and it works great.
I've been using it for RH9 for a month now. The program freezes on my 50% of the time. If I kill it, the RPM database remains locked, so I can't run any another programs that need the RPM database...