Hmm, last article was Robots without a Cause (products without a real purpose), and this article is about a game without a real purpose, that after spending $15 a month and wasting countless hours playing the game, you still feel unfufilled.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with playing games now and then, but I'm sure that plenty of game addicts (myself included) can talk about what a life sucker these games can be.
A hundred years ago something called "indoor plumbing" was a pointless gadget.
From what I know, indoor plumbing was a pretty pointful gadget 100 years ago. Most people wanted it, the benefits were obvious (clean, it's indoors, didn't need to empty the outhouse, you can wash your hands in cleaner water and cut down on disease) but alot of people couldn't afford the installation costs.
I know that in San Francisco 100 years ago, many, many people were installing indoor plumbing.
Looks like bytemonsoon is getting DDoS'd into oblivion.
And then a healthy dose of Slashdotting on top of that.
Read their news blurb at the bottom, if you can get to the site:
http://www.bytemonsoon.com/
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4) Unplug computer 5) Smash, Smash, Smash computer with sledgehammer 6) Set computer on fire 7) Destroy remains with industrial strength acid: pH 2.0 or better.
I do alot of research online, but I can take my paper book and a highlighter to the cafe and learn more without the "internet procrastinator". Simple, easy, cheap, effective, can spill coffee on the book and it's still usable.
You, on the other hand, never had to learn linux, it was all preprogrammed inside you.
You were reading strace output while still in the womb, and were you compiling high performance kernels for linux clusters between breatfeeding sessions.
Could you elaborate? What's so horrible about the packaging? If anything, his sytem is typical of a geek home network.
What's so horrible about his setup?
I wouldn't put any of those computers "online" without something else between them and the internet.
Most "Speedstream Router/Switch" have NAT and a firewall to control access to IPs and ports. Hopefully he also keeps his sytems up to date and has updated anti-virus software running on his Windows boxes. Hopefully he uses tripwire.
Like a linux box running a BSD, Slackware, or Debian.
Many people would disagree with you here. Just installing Linux on a computer isn't some magic pill that will solve your firewall nightmare.
Running a dedicated SlipStream router has many advantages over a linux router: It's simple, easy to maintain, and is (hopefully) effective out of the box.
Running a firewall on top of a full fledged OS can add alot of overhead and unnecessary packaging, and can be very (human) error prone. For instance, his SlipStream box does not have CVS or CC installed, so there's no chance of a hacker compiling odd tools on his router.
You're right you know "enough to be dangerous" as in getting some worm and unknowingly using your computer as the host of a DDoS attack.
Your "You suck, you should use Linux"-solution isn't any better. How will your suggestion stop him from getting a worm or from DDOSing someone?
(2) the (unofficial) packages hadn't been subjected to Debian's usual quality-control process.
Right, and to be fair, most of the criticisms for RPM come from people who are installing RPMs from someone other then RedHat:)
And then there are the legitimate gripes about RedHat not having a good tool to automatically download files to resolve dependancy issues (but red-carpet does that pretty well).
I don't want to evangelize or flame yer ass,
Go ahead, evangelize, educate:) You make smart posts...
Yes, its nearest competitor on a RedHat based system is apt, which works just fine with debs and rpms
It's a great attempt, but it still has problems.
50% of the time when I try to install Gstreamer (Per their instructions at http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/), apt-rpm freezes (after installing the last package?) and locks the RPM database.
Same thing happens when I download RPMs from freshrpms.net, so I assume the problem is with apt for rpm, not with some wierd package from gstreamer or freshrpms.
Still trying to track down info to enter a bug...
This has not happened yet with up2date or red-carpet so far.
Wtf are you on about? How can Debian users be on their high horses? Are you talking about Debian developers?
Sorry, that should be "some Debian users". Not all Debian users are on a high horse.
I frequently hear things like "I just use apt-get, it does all the work for me" or "Apt just works" or "You should just use Debian" when I describe an rpm/RedHat install problem. Apt may be superior to anything on a RedHat system (And is much better then up2date), but Apt doesn't always "just work". Somtime it fails miserably, just like any solution on RedHat (I've tried up2date, apt-rpm, and RedCarpet). Debs can be mispackaged, just like rpms.
Not too long ago, I tried to install Gnome on a Debian Woody system via these instructions. I don't remember the details, but I had to fix at least a dozen problems by hand before apt would download and install everything automatically. Most of the problems involved an old package on the sytem preventing a new package from being installed. It didn't automatically remove the old package like I expected. Sometimes, I had to fiddle with the sources list and download alternative packages.
describe there suggests that your sources.list or something were faulty.
So how is that different then my RedHat rpm's requiring the wrong dependancy?
Look, Debian is a great distro. Apt/dpkg is a good packaging system. I'm going to install it on my second system here when I get the chance.
If you don't know debian, why bother criticzing apt/dpkg?
Sorry if I don't know all the details. Guess I'm not an expert like you. I approach these things as a regular user would, which means I never type or see 'dpkg' anywhere.
I've used apt/dpkg a couple of times on a Debian system. During half of these occasions, I would type 'apt-get install foopackage', and the install would fail due to wierd depandancy problems.
To resolve it, I would need to remove files from my system, change my apt sources install new packages from a different site, change the apt sources again, and finally, download the first package.
In my view, this isn't much better then running up2date or red-carpet on a RedHat system, or the SuSE package manager.
From my view, all package managers run into similar dependancy problems.
I wish more Debian users would get off their high horse and quit saying "Your package manger sucks, you should use Debian. Apt fixes all the problems for me", because it's more bull from the other side of the fence.
And, I imagine any redhat based distro would also do the same (along with Mandrake and SuSe).
Can't speak for Debian (but come on, apt often still leads to dependancy hell, which means that things don't get installed). I'm using RedHat 9, and I had to install Java, Flash, etc by hand in order to get them to work with the default install of Mozilla.
My experience with Mandrake (9) and SuSE (8) has been similar.
I don't understand it when people pretend that the dependancy problems don't exist.
There are many levels to these dependancy issues: Your system could be customized, the people who provided the packages messed up or didn't test fully, etc.
Right now, I can't install the updated foomatic ("Perl x.y.z is already installed") or ghostscript ("something is already installed") because of wierd dependancy problems.
I haven't tried XD2 yet, but in the past Ximian 1.4 solved many many dependancy problems vs. vanilla Gnome. I'm assuming that XD2 does the same.
First, a really lame and pathetic review gets posted to/., while countless other, more complete and competent reviews do not.
That's hardly new. Pathetic and lame reviews are common.
Then, the same guy that submitted the story makes a lame comment about the review, and gets modded up instantly.
Oh no, he posted at a 2 and got modded to a 4 right away. Again, that happens all the time. It's the "groupthink" mod feature. Don't like it? Try metamodding.
Also, he's right. I agree with him, and and some of the mods also agree with him.
In the past, I have made almost the exact same comments regarding Ximian's advantage over Vanilla Gnome, and got modded up quickly.
I think this means that there are many people/mods who agree with these statements: Gnome's packaging is lacking, Ximian's packaging is better (for some people).
Intelligent adults are supposed to be able to know how to temper thier actions. Blaming the TV by claming they are mimicing the TV donest say much for ones opinion of the people themselvs.
Maybe he's right, and there aren't many intelligent adults...
They have a goal to collect 1 million CDs. Once they reach their goal (or some subset therof), they're going to pile the CDs on some trucks, drive them across the nation in a big media spectacle, and give them back to AOL.
Im in charge of keeping production servers up to date. Im using a 2.4.20-rc7. should I go up tp 2.4.21
If stability is important to you, you should only use proven, stable kernels on a production server.
Unless there is some new feature that you absolutely need RIGHT NOW and cannot wait, it is very bad to use 2.4.20-rc7 on a production server. The "rc" stands for "release candidate", which means that the kernel is almost ready to be used by the public, but needs people to test it first.
If you care about system stability, you should not be testing the kernel on a production machine. If you do want to test the kernel, do so on a test machine that is not a mission critical machine.
On several occasions in the past, a release-candidate kernel introduced new code which would crash or corrupt systems that used the kernel.
However, if 2.4.20-rc7 is not crashing on you, you don't need to upgrade to 2.4.21 right away. Review the kernel changelog, and see if any of the changes apply to you. Wait a few days (or weeks), and upgrade to 2.4.21 when it's convenient to you.
Personally, unless there is some urgent fix that I need in the new kernel, I always wait a few weeks or months before upgrading the kernel, just in case some wierd bug was introduced into the new kernel version. During those weeks or months, I usually test the new kernel on a test machine and see if anything wierd happens.
The the cost would be price of repeater, communication device, and electricity.
You'll also need a service to tell my message how to get from San Francisco to London and devices to route large amounts of data when millions of people use the service.
When I mention "OpenOffice" to my computer educated friends (Mostly Java developers), they rarely recognize the name. If I say "StarOffice is the commercial version of OpenOffice", they might recognize it as in "Oh yeah, I tried that (StarOffice 5.2) 2 years ago and it sucked".
Education requires constant vigilance...
And plus, that 'dotorg' as in 'OpenOffice dotorg' is bad marketing While I understand the naming dispute, it sounds bad and a bit pretentious to non-believers.
I don't say "Microsoft Office dotcom" or "Photoshop dotcom", or even "Gimp dotorg".
People don't take me seriously when I say "I use Guhnew/Deb-eean with Guhnome and OpenOffice dot org".
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You don't want hotels.com .
You want hotels.ru
Sheesh, amateurs....
Hmm, last article was Robots without a Cause (products without a real purpose), and this article is about a game without a real purpose, that after spending $15 a month and wasting countless hours playing the game, you still feel unfufilled.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with playing games now and then, but I'm sure that plenty of game addicts (myself included) can talk about what a life sucker these games can be.
On the other hand, I tend to think that leaving these tasks to robots and going to the gym instead might be more effective...
Unfortunately, more people will head to the TV or computer instead.
A hundred years ago something called "indoor plumbing" was a pointless gadget.
From what I know, indoor plumbing was a pretty pointful gadget 100 years ago. Most people wanted it, the benefits were obvious (clean, it's indoors, didn't need to empty the outhouse, you can wash your hands in cleaner water and cut down on disease) but alot of people couldn't afford the installation costs.
I know that in San Francisco 100 years ago, many, many people were installing indoor plumbing.
Looks like bytemonsoon is getting DDoS'd into oblivion.
And then a healthy dose of Slashdotting on top of that.
Read their news blurb at the bottom, if you can get to the site:
http://www.bytemonsoon.com/
4) Unplug computer
5) Smash, Smash, Smash computer with sledgehammer
6) Set computer on fire
7) Destroy remains with industrial strength acid: pH 2.0 or better.
Track down the independants who sell CDs off their websites
Great idea, but this won't always work. Many independants who sell CDs off their websites distribute their CD through a label who is an RIAA member.
What I want is a list of music organizations and labels who aren't members of the RIAA.
Anyone know of such a resource?
Leave your box online 24x7 with a default isntall of RedHat and do it on a common IP Block (like those of home broadband).
Along with a Windows Machine.
And then try it like the Article author has it set up: with a SpeedStream firewall between your computers and the Internet, and then get back to us.
Not perfect, but solves the most common issues.
I do alot of research online, but I can take my paper book and a highlighter to the cafe and learn more without the "internet procrastinator". Simple, easy, cheap, effective, can spill coffee on the book and it's still usable.
Downside: No indexing. Can't grep the damn book.
Laptop? Feh.
You, on the other hand, never had to learn linux, it was all preprogrammed inside you.
You were reading strace output while still in the womb, and were you compiling high performance kernels for linux clusters between breatfeeding sessions.
Could you elaborate? What's so horrible about the packaging? If anything, his sytem is typical of a
geek home network.
What's so horrible about his setup?
I wouldn't put any of those computers "online" without something else between them and the internet.
Most "Speedstream Router/Switch" have NAT and a firewall to control access to IPs and ports. Hopefully he also keeps his sytems up to date and has updated anti-virus software running on his Windows boxes. Hopefully he uses tripwire.
Like a linux box running a BSD, Slackware, or Debian.
Many people would disagree with you here. Just installing Linux on a computer isn't some magic pill that will solve your firewall nightmare.
Running a dedicated SlipStream router has many advantages over a linux router: It's simple, easy to maintain, and is (hopefully) effective out of the box.
Running a firewall on top of a full fledged OS can add alot of overhead and unnecessary packaging, and can be very (human) error prone. For instance, his SlipStream box does not have CVS or CC installed, so there's no chance of a hacker compiling odd tools on his router.
You're right you know "enough to be dangerous" as in getting some worm and unknowingly using your computer as the host of a DDoS attack.
Your "You suck, you should use Linux"-solution isn't any better. How will your suggestion stop him from getting a worm or from DDOSing someone?
The guy was on the Simpsons AND Star Wars!
What could be more geeky then that?
(2) the (unofficial) packages hadn't been subjected to Debian's usual quality-control process.
:)
:) You make smart posts...
Right, and to be fair, most of the criticisms for RPM come from people who are installing RPMs from someone other then RedHat
And then there are the legitimate gripes about RedHat not having a good tool to automatically download files to resolve dependancy issues (but red-carpet does that pretty well).
I don't want to evangelize or flame yer ass,
Go ahead, evangelize, educate
Yes, its nearest competitor on a RedHat based system is apt, which works just fine with debs and rpms
It's a great attempt, but it still has problems.
50% of the time when I try to install Gstreamer (Per their instructions at http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/), apt-rpm freezes (after installing the last package?) and locks the RPM database.
Same thing happens when I download RPMs from freshrpms.net, so I assume the problem is with apt for rpm, not with some wierd package from gstreamer or freshrpms.
Still trying to track down info to enter a bug...
This has not happened yet with up2date or red-carpet so far.
Wtf are you on about? How can Debian users be on their high horses? Are you talking about Debian developers?
Sorry, that should be "some Debian users". Not all Debian users are on a high horse.
I frequently hear things like "I just use apt-get, it does all the work for me" or "Apt just works" or "You should just use Debian" when I describe an rpm/RedHat install problem. Apt may be superior to anything on a RedHat system (And is much better then up2date), but Apt doesn't always "just work". Somtime it fails miserably, just like any solution on RedHat (I've tried up2date, apt-rpm, and RedCarpet). Debs can be mispackaged, just like rpms.
Not too long ago, I tried to install Gnome on a Debian Woody system via these instructions. I don't remember the details, but I had to fix at least a dozen problems by hand before apt would download and install everything automatically. Most of the problems involved an old package on the sytem preventing a new package from being installed. It didn't automatically remove the old package like I expected. Sometimes, I had to fiddle with the sources list and download alternative packages.
describe there suggests that your sources.list or something were faulty.
So how is that different then my RedHat rpm's requiring the wrong dependancy?
Look, Debian is a great distro. Apt/dpkg is a good packaging system. I'm going to install it on my second system here when I get the chance.
But apt is not without it's own problems.
If you don't know debian, why bother criticzing apt/dpkg?
Sorry if I don't know all the details. Guess I'm not an expert like you. I approach these things as a regular user would, which means I never type or see 'dpkg' anywhere.
I've used apt/dpkg a couple of times on a Debian system. During half of these occasions, I would type 'apt-get install foopackage', and the install would fail due to wierd depandancy problems.
To resolve it, I would need to remove files from my system, change my apt sources install new packages from a different site, change the apt sources again, and finally, download the first package.
In my view, this isn't much better then running up2date or red-carpet on a RedHat system, or the SuSE package manager.
From my view, all package managers run into similar dependancy problems.
I wish more Debian users would get off their high horse and quit saying "Your package manger sucks, you should use Debian. Apt fixes all the problems for me", because it's more bull from the other side of the fence.
And, I imagine any redhat based distro would also do the same (along with Mandrake and SuSe).
Can't speak for Debian (but come on, apt often still leads to dependancy hell, which means that things don't get installed). I'm using RedHat 9, and I had to install Java, Flash, etc by hand in order to get them to work with the default install of Mozilla.
My experience with Mandrake (9) and SuSE (8) has been similar.
I don't understand it when people pretend that the dependancy problems don't exist.
There are many levels to these dependancy issues: Your system could be customized, the people who provided the packages messed up or didn't test fully, etc.
Right now, I can't install the updated foomatic ("Perl x.y.z is already installed") or ghostscript ("something is already installed") because of wierd dependancy problems.
I haven't tried XD2 yet, but in the past Ximian 1.4 solved many many dependancy problems vs. vanilla Gnome. I'm assuming that XD2 does the same.
First, a really lame and pathetic review gets posted to /., while countless other, more complete and competent reviews do not.
That's hardly new. Pathetic and lame reviews are common.
Then, the same guy that submitted the story makes a lame comment about the review, and gets modded up instantly.
Oh no, he posted at a 2 and got modded to a 4 right away. Again, that happens all the time. It's the "groupthink" mod feature. Don't like it? Try metamodding.
Also, he's right. I agree with him, and and some of the mods also agree with him.
In the past, I have made almost the exact same comments regarding Ximian's advantage over Vanilla Gnome, and got modded up quickly.
I think this means that there are many people/mods who agree with these statements: Gnome's packaging is lacking, Ximian's packaging is better (for some people).
There is no conspiracy here folks, move along.
Intelligent adults are supposed to be able to know how to temper thier actions. Blaming the TV by claming they are mimicing the TV donest say much for ones opinion of the people themselvs.
Maybe he's right, and there aren't many intelligent adults...
I mean what the heck do we do with them.
Send 'em to the guys at nomoreaolcds.com.
They have a goal to collect 1 million CDs. Once they reach their goal (or some subset therof), they're going to pile the CDs on some trucks, drive them across the nation in a big media spectacle, and give them back to AOL.
I think it was a typo anyways, since there is no 2.4.20-rc7.
Im in charge of keeping production servers up to date. Im using a 2.4.20-rc7.
should I go up tp 2.4.21
If stability is important to you, you should only use proven, stable kernels on a production server.
Unless there is some new feature that you absolutely need RIGHT NOW and cannot wait, it is very bad to use 2.4.20-rc7 on a production server. The "rc" stands for "release candidate", which means that the kernel is almost ready to be used by the public, but needs people to test it first.
If you care about system stability, you should not be testing the kernel on a production machine. If you do want to test the kernel, do so on a test machine that is not a mission critical machine.
On several occasions in the past, a release-candidate kernel introduced new code which would crash or corrupt systems that used the kernel.
However, if 2.4.20-rc7 is not crashing on you, you don't need to upgrade to 2.4.21 right away. Review the kernel changelog, and see if any of the changes apply to you. Wait a few days (or weeks), and upgrade to 2.4.21 when it's convenient to you.
Personally, unless there is some urgent fix that I need in the new kernel, I always wait a few weeks or months before upgrading the kernel, just in case some wierd bug was introduced into the new kernel version. During those weeks or months, I usually test the new kernel on a test machine and see if anything wierd happens.
Dude, it's eXtreem Deathmatch 2, a new multiplayer mod for Halflife 2.
Why aren't you playing it right now!?
The the cost would be price of repeater, communication device, and electricity.
You'll also need a service to tell my message how to get from San Francisco to London and devices to route large amounts of data when millions of people use the service.
When I mention "OpenOffice" to my computer educated friends (Mostly Java developers), they rarely recognize the name. If I say "StarOffice is the commercial version of OpenOffice", they might recognize it as in "Oh yeah, I tried that (StarOffice 5.2) 2 years ago and it sucked".
Education requires constant vigilance...
And plus, that 'dotorg' as in 'OpenOffice dotorg' is bad marketing While I understand the naming dispute, it sounds bad and a bit pretentious to non-believers.
I don't say "Microsoft Office dotcom" or "Photoshop dotcom", or even "Gimp dotorg".
People don't take me seriously when I say "I use Guhnew/Deb-eean with Guhnome and OpenOffice dot org".