Novell no longer has to spend time creating a netware kernel, they can get all of the advantages that Linux gives as it gets better without Novell being the only ones doing the work.
Sure, Netware has apache, tomcat, ssh, and whilst I don't know about the timing of those examples, it was ages after Linux had it that netware had MySQL as an app and I'd imagine there are a heap of other examples of apps that run on linux that don't have netware versions.
We use Netware, and it has some really great features which I wouldn't want to live without, but I work with Linux also and there's a stack of stuff that I'd love to see available on a server running netware.
Given that more of these viruses (especially the ones that have expiry dates) seem to be being linked to spammers who use backdoors put on the computers to send their spam, I wouldn't be that suprised if it was spammers who wrote it and are just using the whole sco thing as a nice diversion.
I'm not sure the war ended yet, I thought it did, but then W said a few months later that he never said the war was over, just the end of major conflict. I don't keep a real close eye on the news, and I'm sure that the second ending of the war wouldn't make as bigger fuss in the media as the first one (which turned out to only be an end to major combat operations), but did W really declare the war over? Can anyone claim victory?
most of which will be put back into the OSS community.
I'd like to think this was true, but I often see companies who switch to using Linux internally and yet still won't give any support externally. The best connection software for telstra broadband (at least satelite but I think others) is found on sourceforge and not written or supported at all by telstra.
Now I know that supporting linux with all the different distros isn't always simple, but even if they offered a couple of the major ones would be a start.
If they give back to the OSS community that's great, but if they were really interested in OSS then they might take it a step further.
I agree and the ability to drag a tab outside of the window to make it the first tab of a new window would also be fantastic (and being able to drag a window back into another so that it becomes a tab would also be great).
I think people misunderstand what releasing code under a license is all about. Just because you release code under one license does _not_ necessarily mean you cannot release it under another. MySQL releases under the GPL, but also under a license that allows people to do things that the GPL does not allow.
If in you scenario the employee had taken some code from RedHat's GPLed product and used it in your code base then you might have a problem, but just because some code makes it's way into a GPL product doesn't mean that every product with that code suddenly becomes GPL.
The MS argument (which is often blurred or generalised) is really about if you use GPL libaries that your GPL compiler has, does that mean that all software compiled with these Libaries needs to be GPL (ie using GPL tools forces your product to be GPL).
This is a completely different situation, SCO owns the IP rights and can license their code under however many licenses they choose. It's only if they had taken patches from the GLPed version and put them back into their own without getting the rights under a license other than the GPL that they'd have a problem. This is why you have to sign away your rights when submitting patches to projects like MySQL, OpenOffice etc, so that MySQL AB and Sun can use the code in their non GPLed products.
If Microsoft lets one app be ported others apps will follow.
or are you saying:
If Microsoft can get their program to be the main (pseudo standard) interface on embeded devices then the embeded market will follow wherever that app goes?
So is the body of the camel the other MS apps, or the embeded market?
I know which way I'm betting Microsoft is trying to take this.
We've had our linux box (RedHat) running chroot jails since version 6.0 (could be longer, I wasn't in the organisation then). I don't know all the details of linux chroot jails vs freeBSD ones but it sounds like the same thing as you describe here on your FreeBSD box is what we have running.
They are a bit of a pain to set up and maintain, but I'll agree with you, it is nice to know that your whole box won't get hosed because of an issue with one of the services.
And if they had a set of these fonts for Linux/Windows/Mac then that would be fantastic and make going from one system to another much smoother.
I know that it might mean people having to install them, but it wouldn't be hard on all these systems to make that process reasonably simple.
Then if I used these fonts I could easily get others install them to view my files as I wrote them (which would be great in sending stuff to the printers etc).
As one who doesn't infringe copyright I don't see why I should have to be the one who is put out to get a rebate.
This'd just end up like so many of these things where people can't be bothered getting a rebate because they have to fill out a form everytime they buy a few cds, and then wait to get a cheque back from the company (as if it would be that easy) and then bank the cheque (which will probably be only a couple of dollars) all because they're not the the wrong.
I'd rather see it go the other way and have APRA provide a way for people to pay a levy that allows them to copy music rather than forcing the people not doing the copying to do all the extra work.
I know you're talking alternate OSes, but I think it would be wise to look at some cross platform stuff.
When you show them OSS Apps that run on multiple OSes (Perl, Apache, Open Office, etc), tell them that they'll run on windows or whatever (if they will), and point out the differences there are between (them if that is important to the stuff you show them).
I'm not saying show them all the OSS that runs on Windows so they feel they don't need to change OS, but if you let them use some of the great stuff you show them on *nix on windows, they may be able to install it easier (on their computers at home or at camp if they have windows on them already any no way of putting *nix on them), and it'll show them that there are many great OSS apps that don't depend on being on one OS.
This could also help ease a transition from one OS to another - one of the big problems I see with changing OS for some people is that eveything changes at once - a few things that stay the same can be a great comfort (both for software developers as well as word processor users).
The other thing I would include is accessing a *nix box from a different OS and doing things. Using a good terminal emulator (like Putty) in windows to do CLI stuff like change config files, move files around, stop and start services etc - something that's not that easy (or even possible) to do in some OSes. Show them VNC, both from windows to *nix, and from *nix to windows and see the differences of them. Talk about CLI being ok over a modem, VNC not really that great etc (so yes there is a reason for CLI, it's not just about having to remember a lot of commands or looking smart in view of others). You could probably also throw in an application running on one linux box but with its display etc being remote (compare with what VNC does??).
In my experience whilst some of us end up in *nix only environments, a heap of us end up mixed environments where we need to be able to do stuff on a *nix box from a windows box (or another OS) so this is useful stuff.
Don't spend your entire week on it, but I think a look at it is good and shows some of the cross platform apps, working across OSes etc. It could also help show some of the major conceptual differences between windows and *nixs (client/server, multiuser etc) which are terms bandied around and misused at times but not oftened explained properly.
Anyway, sounds like a great idea, good luck and hope my ramblings make some sense and are of some use.
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Novell no longer has to spend time creating a netware kernel, they can get all of the advantages that Linux gives as it gets better without Novell being the only ones doing the work.
Sure, Netware has apache, tomcat, ssh, and whilst I don't know about the timing of those examples, it was ages after Linux had it that netware had MySQL as an app and I'd imagine there are a heap of other examples of apps that run on linux that don't have netware versions.
We use Netware, and it has some really great features which I wouldn't want to live without, but I work with Linux also and there's a stack of stuff that I'd love to see available on a server running netware.
Given that more of these viruses (especially the ones that have expiry dates) seem to be being linked to spammers who use backdoors put on the computers to send their spam, I wouldn't be that suprised if it was spammers who wrote it and are just using the whole sco thing as a nice diversion.
C) We won the war
I'm not sure the war ended yet, I thought it did, but then W said a few months later that he never said the war was over, just the end of major conflict. I don't keep a real close eye on the news, and I'm sure that the second ending of the war wouldn't make as bigger fuss in the media as the first one (which turned out to only be an end to major combat operations), but did W really declare the war over? Can anyone claim victory?
I'd like to think this was true, but I often see companies who switch to using Linux internally and yet still won't give any support externally. The best connection software for telstra broadband (at least satelite but I think others) is found on sourceforge and not written or supported at all by telstra.
Now I know that supporting linux with all the different distros isn't always simple, but even if they offered a couple of the major ones would be a start.
If they give back to the OSS community that's great, but if they were really interested in OSS then they might take it a step further.
I agree and the ability to drag a tab outside of the window to make it the first tab of a new window would also be fantastic (and being able to drag a window back into another so that it becomes a tab would also be great).
I think people misunderstand what releasing code under a license is all about. Just because you release code under one license does _not_ necessarily mean you cannot release it under another. MySQL releases under the GPL, but also under a license that allows people to do things that the GPL does not allow.
If in you scenario the employee had taken some code from RedHat's GPLed product and used it in your code base then you might have a problem, but just because some code makes it's way into a GPL product doesn't mean that every product with that code suddenly becomes GPL.
The MS argument (which is often blurred or generalised) is really about if you use GPL libaries that your GPL compiler has, does that mean that all software compiled with these Libaries needs to be GPL (ie using GPL tools forces your product to be GPL).
This is a completely different situation, SCO owns the IP rights and can license their code under however many licenses they choose. It's only if they had taken patches from the GLPed version and put them back into their own without getting the rights under a license other than the GPL that they'd have a problem. This is why you have to sign away your rights when submitting patches to projects like MySQL, OpenOffice etc, so that MySQL AB and Sun can use the code in their non GPLed products.
Yes but I wonder which way the camel is going.
Are you saying:
If Microsoft lets one app be ported others apps will follow.
or are you saying:
If Microsoft can get their program to be the main (pseudo standard) interface on embeded devices then the embeded market will follow wherever that app goes?
So is the body of the camel the other MS apps, or the embeded market?
I know which way I'm betting Microsoft is trying to take this.
We've had our linux box (RedHat) running chroot jails since version 6.0 (could be longer, I wasn't in the organisation then). I don't know all the details of linux chroot jails vs freeBSD ones but it sounds like the same thing as you describe here on your FreeBSD box is what we have running.
They are a bit of a pain to set up and maintain, but I'll agree with you, it is nice to know that your whole box won't get hosed because of an issue with one of the services.
And if they had a set of these fonts for Linux/Windows/Mac then that would be fantastic and make going from one system to another much smoother.
I know that it might mean people having to install them, but it wouldn't be hard on all these systems to make that process reasonably simple.
Then if I used these fonts I could easily get others install them to view my files as I wrote them (which would be great in sending stuff to the printers etc).
As one who doesn't infringe copyright I don't see why I should have to be the one who is put out to get a rebate.
This'd just end up like so many of these things where people can't be bothered getting a rebate because they have to fill out a form everytime they buy a few cds, and then wait to get a cheque back from the company (as if it would be that easy) and then bank the cheque (which will probably be only a couple of dollars) all because they're not the the wrong.
I'd rather see it go the other way and have APRA provide a way for people to pay a levy that allows them to copy music rather than forcing the people not doing the copying to do all the extra work.
I know you're talking alternate OSes, but I think it would be wise to look at some cross platform stuff.
When you show them OSS Apps that run on multiple OSes (Perl, Apache, Open Office, etc), tell them that they'll run on windows or whatever (if they will), and point out the differences there are between (them if that is important to the stuff you show them).
I'm not saying show them all the OSS that runs on Windows so they feel they don't need to change OS, but if you let them use some of the great stuff you show them on *nix on windows, they may be able to install it easier (on their computers at home or at camp if they have windows on them already any no way of putting *nix on them), and it'll show them that there are many great OSS apps that don't depend on being on one OS.
This could also help ease a transition from one OS to another - one of the big problems I see with changing OS for some people is that eveything changes at once - a few things that stay the same can be a great comfort (both for software developers as well as word processor users).
The other thing I would include is accessing a *nix box from a different OS and doing things. Using a good terminal emulator (like Putty) in windows to do CLI stuff like change config files, move files around, stop and start services etc - something that's not that easy (or even possible) to do in some OSes. Show them VNC, both from windows to *nix, and from *nix to windows and see the differences of them. Talk about CLI being ok over a modem, VNC not really that great etc (so yes there is a reason for CLI, it's not just about having to remember a lot of commands or looking smart in view of others). You could probably also throw in an application running on one linux box but with its display etc being remote (compare with what VNC does??).
In my experience whilst some of us end up in *nix only environments, a heap of us end up mixed environments where we need to be able to do stuff on a *nix box from a windows box (or another OS) so this is useful stuff.
Don't spend your entire week on it, but I think a look at it is good and shows some of the cross platform apps, working across OSes etc. It could also help show some of the major conceptual differences between windows and *nixs (client/server, multiuser etc) which are terms bandied around and misused at times but not oftened explained properly.
Anyway, sounds like a great idea, good luck and hope my ramblings make some sense and are of some use.