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Novell Makes More Open Source Moves
Roger Foss writes "Novell has announced it will release its cross platform iFolder file synchronization software as open source. This is pretty cool: far more transparent and easier to use than Unison or some of those friendly Rsync variants. iFolder does multi-master delta synchronization and is user friendly. The source software will be available at Novell's own Forge site and release under the GPL. This sure beats Novell's earlier open source efforts, when they released their proprietary IPX protocol stuff years ago. For those who want to try it, there's a live demo site that I doubt would withstand slashdotting."
Finally, mj01nir writes "According to Miguel de Icaza's web log, Chris Stone just announced that Novell will be moving the whole company to OpenOffice by the end of the year, and to Linux on the desktop a year after.
funny how things change, a few years ago I thought I had it made cause i had a CNE and now it's not worth crap....
"...saying that the community owned the Linux source code"
sounds like they got the right idea! Take that SCO;)
Oh man, Linux and OpenOffice in a big US company!
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It just makes me so happy
In other news, SCO does something dispicable to ruin my good mood.
I have to admit I'm surprised its taken Novell this long to announce their move to Linux + OpenOffice.org given how long they've now had Ximian in the fold. I would've expected them to have announced their intention to do so a lot sooner.
:-)
This is a huge coup. Not only are IBM doing the same thing with their desktops (although they're porting MSOffice instead of using a Free office suite) but with Novell, one of the oldest Networking platform companies still surviving, announcing this on top of all their other efforts, people are really going to start taking notice and realising that maybe Linux truly is Prime Time for businesses now.
Then again... So far its only been companies that have a lot to do with Linux and Linux based services that have announced this. Would be very nice if someone like HP, Dell, or Gateway came out and got on the bandwagon. That would hold a lot more weight with the average IT manager or C-level management.
Still, slow small steps turn to huge gallops rather quickly in the IT world
A couple of years from now, all the RHCEs will be bummed because the latest OpenBEOS certification will be the new hotness... More serously though, certifications such as these are just another product for OS vendors to sell.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Novell claims to have learned from past experience (which is admirable), yet they still want "very tight integration"? Isn't this what got Microsoft in trouble in the first place?
Millions of Linux geeks across the globe orgasm in unison.
I was laughed at by some "consultants" that had formerly worked in my school district, when I started converting their Novell systems over to Linux. Now that it's done, and things work better than ever, Novell decides to convert itself over to Linux wholesale...who's laughing now?
Gessh...
that earlier article about the comming boom of open source? here it is. many of the major players are behind tux, and the list and girth only grows.
Novell to Drop Standalone NetWare
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Novell Makes More Open Source Moves
I think that is the crux of the story. I feel this is a damage limitation excercise on the part of Novell.
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Did anyone else notice that the iFolder project page only mentions GNOME?
iFolder: integrated file sharing in the GNOME, Windows, and OS X desktops.
Also, iFolder is written in C#. I guess that comes with the territory.
Development Status: 2 - Pre-Alpha
Environment: Win32 (MS Windows), Gnome
Intended Audience: Developers, End Users/Desktop, System Administrators
License: GNU General Public License (GPL)
Operating System: MacOS, Windows, Linux
Programming Language: C#
Topic: File Sharing, Gnome, Filesystems
Putting the romance back into necromancer.
...but I'm not sure what...
Novell has announced NetWare will cease to exist as a standalone product
Um, "cease to exist" means a lot more than "cease to exist as a standalone product" in fact, they are opposite meanings. The highlighting emphasises the negative...I think this is a great announcement that sends a confused message. Hey they are adopting Linux more strongly, thats good right? They are not dropping NetWare, thats good for current NetWare users.
The glass is half full...
-- Sig meltdown immine...
A brave move, but a welcomed one at that. It's going to be interesting next 12 months to see if Novell has made the right move.
Netware is a solid platform and proven its stability, where Windows has failed. On the other hand Novells 1st generation software hasn't always been the best.
Will the Netware zealots adopt the linux based services quick enough for Novell to cover its investment? Lets hope....Time will tell.
Area51 - We are watching...
How is this news? This has nothing to do with either Microsoft or Windows... I don't understand how this is newsworthy at all.
Oh, purleeze, it's obviously a game: six degrees of separation from Kevin Bac^H^H^H^H^H^H^H SCO. This one's pretty easy.
Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
Novell:Mormons::TheEnquirer:Scientologists:FreeMas ons:Illuminati
I don't really know what this comment is supposed to mean, but I saw "scientologists" in there. FYI- Scientology is a made up phony religon. It was started in the 1950's by a sci-fi author. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to "advance" through the levels of scientology, only to find out at the end that it is about extra-terestrial worship. what kind of wackos worship aliens??
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Why does something have to relate to M$ or Windows to be news? The story has a big fat penguin next to it.
Netware has had its heyday. When customers found out they needed TCP/IP to internetwork, the days of a strictly local area network, as NetWare were numbered.
With their purchases of Ximian and SuSE last year, it was pretty clear that Novell managment saw the need to take their company in a new direction. Novell chooses to embrace the new world. SCO tries to fight against it.
I just got a position as the IT director at my company. They've been using Netware for years. Just before the SuSE/Novell news, I was planning to switch to SuSE for all server applications. Even bought some hardware to try it out. Now, I'm thinking about using those Netware licenses a little while longer....
Hey, think I can trade one or two of those in for a boxed copy of 9.1 pro??? We can all dream, I suppose...
Sorry, but I don't know much about netware. The article talks about a netware "kernel" version.
How do they "integrate" this with Linux, exactly? (or am I missing something.)
home, enterprise, small business?
i think that is what it will take to beat the great satan.
From the article:
But if Microsoft open-sourced Windows, which Messman said he did not think would happen as this was a huge cash cow for the Redmond, Wash., software company, Novell would help its customers use open-source Windows if this happened and they wanted it, he added.
If DeBeers starts giving away diamonds for free, we'll be sure to make sure our clients get some. In the event that a magic fairy inserts $50 billion into our bank account, we'll share that with our clients.
Sure. Whatever.
Jedidiah.
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with all the corporate support for OSS related projects, it is becoming a real contender on the server side against Microsoft. I wonder how much this eats into Microsoft's server sales they were counting on. Looks like all the "unix conversions" MS was counting on to continue their grow isn't going to happen. In fact looks they're gonna get hurt. The only real cash cow left for MS will be windows and office. Feel like the writing is on the way for the gradual and slow shift from world leader to just another player. MS won't die, but it will become less important as time goes on.
It will be nice when the NetWare server gets full Linux compatiblity. Really, it will be a Linux server that supports NetWare services - but the distinction won't matter.
Personally, I would like to see the NetWare editor ported to Linux. I can't stand vi, and there really isn't a simple console (text-mode) editor geared for DOS/Windows users available on Linux. The NetWare EDIT program still fits the bill as arcane enough to not be yet-another-DOS-Edit clone, but does simple editing very easily. Cut-and-pastes between files, too. Its just a matter liking what you know.
"The most sensible request of government we make is not, "Do something!" But "Quit it!"
I have gone from not caring about a single thing Novell has done to them being one of my favorite companies, ever.
Buying Suse and Ximian, moving to Linux as a desktop, with OpenOffice.org? Then cancelling their most popular product for Linux? They seem very, very committed to F/OSS.
This has got to be the first time I've ever said this about a company's reaction to Linux on slashdot, but they just, somehow, gained a customer, and a recommendation to friends.
Congrats Novell, you've won my support, and the support of the entire Linux community.
Not only that, but in a single post modded as flamebait the poster managed to touch such flammable topics as:
- ousourcing (don't get me started)
- viability of open source business models
- Bush's controversial tax cut (corporate dividends hint)
- negative attitude towards Microsoft (r) Corp.
If SCO had somehow been involved, I'd vote for this to be the best flamebait piece ever, as it's got something close to home for everyone.
I like Novell. In fact the rights and permissions are just like Unix or Linux: You have nothing until someone gives it to you.
Isn't M$ major flaw in that area? You have everything until someone takes it away.
A secure system or network is based on a sound philosophy. Notice the difference!
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
...other that moving applications from NLM to ELF, I don't see any giant advantages to this on the server end. We already have apache, tomcat, ssh, etc, etc for Netware.
And on the desktop, I have memories of Novell trying to take on MS once before and failing horribly. I'm skeptical. I can't see how any "synergy" with Linux will make Netware a better product than it already is--aside from the PR buzz it's getting and the goodwill from the Linux community.
Scientology is a made up phony religon
And scientology is different than other religions, how?
"It has always been this way and it won't change, god bless the fucked up USA" The Briefs
I haven't (and this is totally honest) used Netware in about a million years. I guess it is a good thing that they are hopping on the linux bandwagon, in one of those "Follow or be forgotten" sort of moves. All the power to them if they can make a place for themselves in the future.
That really is my homepage, no kidding.
as Ransom Love once said...
I wonder where this will end?
-- Free software on every PC on every desk
Since Novell *owns* Unix, it sounds like the *nix direction is Linux.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
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I can't stand vi, and there really isn't a simple console (text-mode) editor geared for DOS/Windows users available on Linux.
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I am sure you will get a hundred replies pointing you to simple editors for linux. But I would just like to point out my favorite simple text editor nano
It is actually becoming pretty standard on linux distributions (gentoo and debian)
It is similar to the old DOS edit and is a clone of a text editor called pico.
well this is pretty amazing. last year it looked like we linux advocates were just going to be keeping up the tired mantra of "unix is dead, long live linux... any day now, unix is gonna die... any day now..." who'd have guessed we'd now be saying "netware is dead, long live linux"? and who'd have guessed we'd be right?
While you're at it -- check out this Lord of the Rings-based Novell commercial!
Blog Ho
In the same article.
Keep your eyes to the sky.
It apparently has a very enthusiastic fanbase among Slashdotters as well.
oh, and it's shaped like a Yoda doll.
ah yes those were the days...
When micrsoft started to delve into advanced concepts such as networking they started to program in hidden api's and incompatabilities to stymie the competition (way before antitrust) in fact the the MS's behind the scenes mantra was "the job's not done until Novell won't run".
i'm guessing what you've read was anti-mormon. it's amazing how much nonsense people talk about mormons. once you really understand what they believe it's not 'crazy' at all, but everyone thinks they're crazy because of the propaganda against them.
iFolder is a major gift to the Linux community and is an excellent sign to me that Novell is committed to Open Source Model not just the "we're on the Linux boat" fad. Until you've used iFolder and seen your files move from desktop to desktop with little to no effort on your part, you just can't understand. It's seamless, it's secure and it's reliable. I encourage all of you to give it a try! Thanks for a great product and thanks for believing in the OSS community Novell!
If you knew anything about religions you'd know that Scientology was the only religion written with the express purpose of making money.
To paraphrase: "Writing books doesn't make any money. If I wanted to make money, I'd start a religion." -- L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology. And he did just that.
Most of the rest of the major religions don't have making money as their primary purpose.
Quite frankly, I suspect L. Ron Hubbard had to start a religion to support his acid habits. Certainly sales of Mission: Earth and his other "novels" aren't worth the paper they are printed on...
It's all really just a metaphysical Ponzi scheme.
I'm guessing you haven't read much... well, much of anything true... the mormon religion makes the most sense of any christian religion (that's even what my anti-christ european history teacher (Dr. Corbett, used to be a journalist... went everywhere... he knows everything about everything politics/religion/government) says). he says "if you insist on being christian, mormonism is your best bet".
Rubbish! We must all bow down to...SPACE JESUS!
Actually I think this temporary. With KDE having been adopted for SUSE 9.1 Personal (Professional still has GNOME), it's only a matter of time before they adopt KDE/Qt# which has recently been checked into CVS BTW.
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Novell has got a great position.
1) They got tried and tested file, print, directory, and groupware services (including mail, calendar and secure IM services) - that's probably 50% of the windows server market right there
2) They got good security and infrastructure management offerings. Microsoft can't even compete in this category.
3) They got an enterprise class J2EE / Web Services platform from their SilverStream acquisition. (that's the other 50% of the windows market)
4) They have their own linux distro now from SUSE
5) They have a Linux on the desktop offering from Ximian
6) They have a world class distribution, partners program and support organization with over a decade of experience.
7) They've got a good core system integration group from CTP
8) And they are trying to replicate the success of the Certified Netware Enginneer with the new Certified Linux Engineer program. (MSCE was a complete rip off of the NE program)
Only one problem, they have managed to screw up every acquisition they did in the 90's.
Please Novell, don't screw this one up. We're counting on you.
I think I still have a copy of Netware 3.11 for Redhat Linux laying around somewhere. It was pretty cool, booting Netware on top of linux, but Novell canned the effort for some reason, and then mars-nwe was born, then died.
This will be interesting...
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
You know, there's probably some truth to that, and my comment was quite flippant. But the fact remains that the whole religion is based on historical events that no non-Mormon historian has ever seen evidence of. This is not true for every other major religion where you can find diverse historical sources for things like events in the Bible, or people like Jesus or Mohammed.
The only question I have about the Mormon religion is that if it is so enlightened and make so much sense, why is it secret? Why has the Mormon church been compared to the Soviet bureaucracy? If this is based on the word of God, why does it need to be hidden?
I know exactly why.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Yes, well, you can find similar endorsements of communism, devil worship, pedophilia and top 40 music if you look hard enough.
Being a "journalist" and "going everywhere" are hardly credentials.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
And all this must have been fully conceived and typed in about 20-30 seconds
Or one of the loser trolls that actually subscribes to this retarded site got a 15 minute head start.
... The ones who care about security.
I work for a comapny that makes a network monitoring product so my sample may be skewed. Regardless, a lot of people would probably be surprised how many networks still use Novell to handle their network logins, file sharing, etc. becuase its more secure than Windows. Some of this may be security through obscurity but the answer we consistently get when we ask people why they still run Netware is that its more secure.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
Unison?
I'm definitely not going anywhere near that stuff then
My other computer is your Windows box
And thanks to everyone else who actually responded. Guess I'll just make a new user every time I want to ask something.
You're nuts. Mormonism is a made up religion by a crazy cheat. Read Beyond Mormonism and other books at mazeministry.com, and maybe you'll see the light.
do you understand that those books present false facts and distorted truths? for some reason i doubt you've read the book of mormon... which would probably make the most sense if you want to know anything about mormons...
Book of Mormon was changed by the church in thousands of places. Book of Mormon was "translated" from a non-existant "reformed egyptian". There is no archeological evidence of anything described in the Book of Mormon in North America (other things are taken directly from the Bible - Isaiah). Other "translations" by Joseph Smith were disproven by real Egyptologists. Why in the world does one of the books in the Book of Mormon end in French "Adieu"???
O, BTW, you can all become Gods if you're good mormons (which requires giving 10% of income to the church).
It's nothing but a money making machine based on lies, lies, and more damned lies.
But the fact remains that the whole religion is based on historical events that no non-Mormon historian has ever seen evidence of.
that's not true. see here for several... in fact read that whole thing.
The only question I have about the Mormon religion is that if it is so enlightened and make so much sense, why is it secret? Why has the Mormon church been compared to the Soviet bureaucracy? If this is based on the word of God, why does it need to be hidden?
i don't understand what you mean by 'secret'. there's nothing secret about it. it's not hidden! and since it's "based on the word of God" we have missionaries going out trying to tell everyone about it.
Hell Director: (on a stage near the entrance. on a microphone.) Hello, new-commers! Welcome! Can everybody hear me?! Hello! (taps his mic.) Can everybo...okay! Uh, I'm the Hell Director! Uh, It looks like we have about eight-thousand, six-hundred, and fifteen of you newbees today, and for those of you who were a little confused, uh, you ARE dead and this is Hell! So, abandon all hope and, uh, yadayadayada! Uh, we're now going to start the orientation process which will last about...
New Hellion #5: Hey, wait a minute! I shouldn't be here! I was a totally strict and devout Protestant! I thought we went to Heaven!
Hell Director: Yes, well, I'm afraid you were wrong!
New Hellion #6: I was a practicing Jehova's Witness!
Hell Director: Uh, you picked the wrong religion as well!
New Hellion #7: Well, who was right?! Who gets into Heaven?!
Hell Director: I'm afraid it was the Mormons! Yes! The Mormons were the correct answer!
Yes I have. It's bullshit. Half of it is from the King James Bible (even some things are italicized in the same way), and half of it is based on other fictional works. Yes, I have been close to the LDS church before realizing the *facts*. It takes a while. Take your time, do research, open your eyes.
They had a great episode in season 7 that gives you a musical version of the mormon myth...
a classic.
another example of someone who's been fed lie after lie.
Book of Mormon was changed by the church in thousands of places
the content was not changed, only some wording to "get with the times"... i'm sure you can think of some examples where the a word from an earlier time may not mean the same thing anymore.... an example - 'gay'. as for your evidence... go here.... http://www.calcgames.org/site/pub/evidence.pdf
O, BTW, you can all become Gods if you're good mormons (which requires giving 10% of income to the church).
It's nothing but a money making machine based on lies, lies, and more damned lies.
Tithing has been around forever, and there is NO church leader who gets rich off of it. NOT ONE. We are a church of volunteers and this comment demonstrates your idiocy towards FACTS. Tithing goes towards building churches and temples. We also pay fast offerings which go to humanitarian aid and some forms of welfare for people who can't afford food. I cannot believe you call it a money making machine - this church has to be one of the most giving in the world, and not one of the leaders benefits financially from it.
really? What goes on in a Temple. You can't tell me. You've been sworn to secrecy. I hope your undies are comfortable.
i can most certainly tell you a lot about what goes on in temples.
-Baptisms
-Marriages
-Other ordinances (none are secret, but i don't want to list them, you can look them up at mormon.org if you want)
these "secrets" we are sworn to are random tidbits of information that have no significant doctrinal....... um.... significance.
See for yourself. These are not wording changes:
http://www.mazeministry.com/machine/index.htm
all creations myths are a hoot,
hell, if people had more guts and less fear of being sued theyd have a field day with the old testament (make fun of the new one all you want but say anything about the 'chosen people' and you'll get S.Spielberg on your doorstep.
But the mormon sect has some of the best stories...right up there with the best of Ronnie Hubbard.
Then again, Joe wasnt bloodthirsty like Mohammed, so we got to give him that.
zac
I know people don't bother reding the articles but, pleeeease, at least read the whole sentence.
"cease to exist as a standalone product"
Exactly. Be that as it may, while the Mormons have (some) really good ideas regarding their morals and emphasis on family life, the religion bears only a superficial similarity to Christianity and is not considered as such by the true Christian denominations (who rarely agree on anything). It has all the same terminologies, but the words all mean different things, and ultimately is is based on ideas that were made up by people, much like Scientology.
Of course, we all deserve to be modded to negative umpteen for being egregiously Off-Topic.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Truely, one of the best trolls ever. Normally, I don't encourage trolling, but damn! That was perfect. It's really too bad that people are getting so discriminating about trolls. In the good old days, that would have generated pages of angry, frothing, over-the-top rants. Good times, good times.
If no one bites at a troll like this, the trolls have well and truely lost the game for good. YHT. YHL. HAND.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
From the letter of St. Paul to the Galatians:
GAL 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
GAL 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
OK, so now can Novell get their own topic? Please? I mean, Corel still has their own topic.
Throw us old Novell guys a bone willya?
the no
It is not Christian because:
They believe in more than one God (oh, on many planets though), which contradicts the FIRST commandment. And you too can be a God and have a planet to populate with your spiritual children.
First pay up though, because without tithing you can't get into the celestial heaven. It is a privilege.
They also believe that Lucifer is Jesus' brother.
And many many many more strange things. It's not the BoM that people have problems with because that's mostly the Bible + some ridiculus fairy tales bolted on top of it, but the doctrines preached by their "prophets" over the years.
Scientology has been convicted of barratry?
(In layman's terms, harassing people with lawyers. I should also note that it wasn't the religion itself, but one of their organizations. They play so many shell games with the orgs that I'm sure they would find some way to disavow that, however, and I don't have references handy. Try xenu.net?)
evidence
Ho, ho, don't get all up in arms you guys. Very likely the people here claiming the mormon religion is "crazy" would, when pressed, also claim any of a great number of other religions to be "crazy". To people for whom critical evaluation of fallible hypotheses is more the "obvious" thing to do then to accept a certain amount of dogma as completely impervious to reason, any religion that embodies arbitrary certainties is suspect.
Now try to imagine your self in such a sceptical frame of reference, and then compare the Latter Day Saints to the Catholics. And now imagine your trying to imagine how anyone could believe in either religion. Then you may find that the more recent a religion is, and hence the more insight we have into its origins, the harder it gets to understand that its associated group of believers don't "see it's a fraud".
None of this has anything to do with how far your religion's (perceived) social and cultural norms -- as opposed to theological doctrine -- deviate from those present in the general community. I don't think it's fair to say that anyone who doesn't like the mormon religion is just the victim of some FUD about polygamy.
/usr/share/morlock
As endorsed by the Space Pope!
Me? I'd rather stick to something mainstream like Oprahism or Voodoo.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
If that's truly a South Park episode, then they ripped it off of Rowan Atkinson, the British comedian known for his Mr. Bean show. Except in his version, the jews were right: Atkinson's "Hell" sketch
/usr/share/morlock
I had to rescue data from a Novell fileserver that had become corrupt, and NWFS was invaluable in doing so. But, I had to compile an ancient kernel specifically for that purpose.
If Novell really is committed to Linux, perhaps they can shed some light on this murky topic.
Andre Hedrick's concerns
Netware Utils
Kernel patches for 2.4.15
LRC, the best-read libertarian site on the web
What are they doing? The wording is so vague and keywords like "stand alone" are thrown in there. Reading it, it seems they've taken product a (Netware) and product b (Suse linux) and made product c (Open Enterprise Server). Open Enterprise Server btw sounds about as original as the name of Homer Simpsons internet company (mega-compu-global-hyper-net or something like that).
Seriously though, what are they doing? From the wording of it, it seems Open Enterprise Server will be more Netware code than Linux code and Suse included with tools to make the two work together.
There are only a couple of things that Netware really needs. One is a decent Xwindows system. The packaged Xwindows is a Java implementation of X11R6 that is horribly slow and problematic. The other is a decent C-compiler. Neither of these should be difficult, but they never seem to get done either.
So were we misinformed? Or maybe it never occurred to our IT people to dispense with IPX.
So how do you choose? It's not clear to me how ones choice of kernel will affect things at the user level -- if at all. Quite well. Considered tech writing?Is it as similar as my perusal of the site seems? That would be pretty useful.
> there really isn't a simple console (text-mode)
> editor geared for DOS/Windows users available on > Linux.
Here is a new arrival for Windows
refugees who wish to work in the Linux
console:
www.geocities.com/single_user_editor/
In response to:
;-)
(EG. Novell shops could turn servers into such things as SQL database servers as well as just file/print servers, without resorting to purchasing additional boxes to do it.)
I currently work at an education institute running a Netware network. We have a Citrix Farm running 2003 server, but thats it. On our NetWare boxes we run such services as file, iPrint, Zenworks for Dekstops, Centura SQL server, GroupWise, GW WebAccess, Cluster Services, workstation policies, Extend Director Portal, ichain proxy servers plus others. All with five 9's up time, serving 10,00 users, spread over 7 campuses over 150km with tiny frame relay links. All from my desk
Whats not to like about that? Why do I need Linux?
What if...
:P)
What if the Linux will be more and more used in the "big companies" and more and more business will rely on it, and not on M$ bloatware; 'cause this day seems to get closer and closer and maybe it's not just a dream to realy get rid of the evil software..
But when all the cash flow will rely on a open kernel, will anyone continue to develop the kernel with an open heart? Or we will end up with hackers' "strikes" and protests and slogans like "we will not develop for the rich to get richer!" stuff? Will this be possible? Will it be a good thing for the software comunity and for the world? (dern, I sound like camaiging for somebody
But I'm just curious.. 'cause every action in this workd is driven by something.. Open source is driven by many wills, but one of them is to make software "free as in freedom". But I wonder what will happen' when this will collide with creating software to help the administration control us, etc.
It was just a thought..
Most churches want you to become a Member, of which one of the benefits is a neat box of 52 or so offering envelopes. So the Mormons are a bit more unambiguous about it, but most christian churches do pimp the concept to their flock about every offering sermon or so.
While church members/pastors/fathers/whatever may not get rich, my eyes were opened one day walking through O'Hare, and seeing a couple of Catholic bishop types and their Louis Vuitton luggage waiting for a limo...
All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Ah the good times...this troll really brought me back. I was almost ready to start pounding away an angry response, but his form wasn't quite there. His arguments are of the highest troll pedigree, but come one -- couldn't he have been a little more insulting, profane, or condescending?
Good effort though, 8/10. Keep it up, young apprentice. The Force is strong with you.
(beside comitment to their traditionnal line of proprietary products) is to indulge itself to Linux and Open Source.
That is, if they want to bring value to their Suse and Ximian Component...
So, I think we can expect more and more public moves towards Linux/Open source from Novell in the near future (they are trying their best to bring more companies to linux, aren't they ?).
and there really isn't a simple console (text-mode) editor geared for DOS/Windows users available on Linux.
;)). I've also found the simpler dtach to be useful at times.
I assume you are looking for an interface with the basic CUA (Windows) keybindings? Unfortunately, AFAIK, full support for CUA seems to be virtually impossible in the generic case of remote terminals (due to ESCaping keycodes and the ancient keyboard limitations kept alive by terminal emulators -- e.g. this is the reason you have to hit ESC twice in mc to register a single ESC), but in the specific case of the Linux Console (which has direct access to hardware), this is possible.
Many editors have CUA bindings, though to varying degrees of success. e.g. Emacs or Jed. Unfortunately, some of the time it feels like a hack and a few might even require manually modifying Linux's keymappings.
Perhaps the closest I've found is SetEdit, which is based on a port of the TurboVision text-mode windowing library, which is very comfortable for me since I used to use the old DOS Borland IDE, which also happens to have an OSS Linux version called Rhide.
I love text-mode and I think a lot could be done to improve it in Linux; particularly, "fixing" the ancient terminal system and providing for modular non-linear behavior. Sometimes I don't want to deal with the 100MB+ required for X (not to mention GNOME & KDE for apps that are dependent upon them), but I'd like a non-linear interface.
Screen is a step in the right direction, though it is not (initially) very user-friendly (not using Windows/CUA keybindings
I don't know why more non-linear text mode applications aren't created. I've found a few that are made as independent ncurses apps, but, ideally, I think they should all use some standard text windowing environment. Recently, I noticed Twin which looks familiar (tvision?), but doesn't seem to be very actively used... and I don't know if it supports CUA keybindings.
Hope this helps.
Oh come on mods, it was meant to be taking the piss out of all the "XYZ is dying" comments lately! Given that I admin a sizeable number of Netware boxen it's hardly on its way out!
Its funny how companies work. I went to a little day long seminar thing hosted by companies included Novell & HP about Linux in Education.
They had a Novell rep who was so insistent about them NOT killing off Netware, he got quite offended whenever anyone made even the slightest quip about it.
Ho hum.
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
Does anyone know if iFolder can give me a portable Home Directory.
NFS can't do this, Coda has its own authentication and requires you to pretty much manually say which files to cache locally, Intermezzo looks awsome but isn't ready yet. I may be prepared to deal with the pain from Intermezzo or Coda if LDAP authentication could be cached on the local machine, not being able to log on makes all of this nonsense anyway.
Watching the demo iFolder had LDAP (Active Directory or the Novell LDAP server) which could probably be bent to OpenLDAP and it sync's files, but how will it deal with dot files? will it preserve unix permissions, will the automatic sync's be quick enough?
The nice thing about open source is that they cannot take it away from us. If some company take some OS code in a direction you do not like, you fork the code. If I develop some open source code, I get the better code, and at the same time companies get better code they can use and evolve. If companies develops/evolves OS code, I can use it for my benefit, or I can choose not to, and stick with the old code. You have the freedom to choose yourself. So I dont think we'll ever see strikes and the like, since people choose themselves which code to use/evolve and what license to release under.
There will always be community developed code. Like debian on the distribution side, you will always have non-commercial code that will preserve our (consumer/little guy) interest. This will spur competition for the commercial companies and improve the overall offer.
-TN
i'm an atheist...but i checked out your link.
i see no serious changes..perhaps semantics
like:
"mother of god" vs. "mother of the son of god"
don't christians believe that Christ is God?
while I'll never buy into what the other guy is selling, I'd be interested in listening to his viewpoint.
but you, AC, you and your mazeministry links...there's something fishy...
something not quite right...
>>something not quite right...
no joke. like when you meet two people in the street...one is honest and good, but mistakenly believes in something.
while the other (AC's maze ministry) gives you that eerie feeling...you have an instant distrust.
a sense of wrong.
Well, it is very good and most people DO have an idea what it is - although most people underestimate its capabilities and benefits. I work extensivly in both the Novell and MS environment. Without fail, I can acheive more with less on the Novell side.
Only big ligs use sigs.
If there was any doubt about novells intentions, and its place in the future of open source, i feel that this quote sums it up nicely....
[""We're giving them software and services, but we don't set the direction for open source, we only contribute to that discussion and make suggestions. The open source community is driving where competition will occur and we are a member of that community," he said."]
Its important to note that its clear they feel a member of the community, and not a self appointed figure head. Theres a reason "open source" and "community" are seen so often side by side in print, because this selfless "community" spirit is what gave open source its true value, and will continue to make GNU/Linux and its components a threat to anyone who attempts to market inferior software.
IBM has 15K Linux desktops now,
increasing to 40K in the next 9 months.
That's still only 12% of the total but it's getting there.
So do more research on your own. Please. mazeministry.com is one of the more comprehensive resources, but there are *tons* of others. Note that he never denied any of my factual statements.
Mormons believe in more than one God
(ours is Elohim, living on planet Kolob, but there are many more like him). Mormons believe that anyone can become a God with his own planet to rule (Doctrine of Eternal Progression).
Having said that, Mormons are very good people. Just terribly misguided.
Novell make the NetWare source code free.
NetWare is a sexy OS, I think.
It will be better if I can run GNOME and __Ximian__ Evolution on NetWare.
BTW: Today I compiled GNU/Hurd on my PC. It is not sexy at all.
Did anyone else pick up that the programming language for iFolder is going to be: c#???
This will be very interesting.
In case of Slashdotting:
# Development Status: 2 - Pre-Alpha
# Environment: Win32 (MS Windows), Gnome
# Intended Audience: Developers, End Users/Desktop, System Administrators
# License: GNU General Public License (GPL)
# Operating System: MacOS, Windows, Linux
# Programming Language: C#
# Topic: File Sharing, Gnome, Filesystems
Sig it.
Great troller, A++++++++++
Bleh! Where's Simoniker?
One of the reasons IBM is porting office [rather than simply using the Lotus SmartSuite applications] is their aquisition of Rational, and all of Rational's project management / analysis / design tools.
Some of the current tools depend on MS Office templates & run Office applications. IBM would need the capability to read, edit or create documents with with full file format compatability for all the interum stages of conversion to platform agnostic tools. [have to be able to exchange files with folks still stuck in Windows]
Caution: Do not stare into laser with remaining eye.
The real-life example I give is the group "President of the United States of America", which is by definition a Group of One. When Bush was sworn in, rather than having whether to reassign all kinds of rights that Clinton had (nuke-you-lur launch codes [equal time: Carter, who was a nuclear engineer, pronounced it 'nuke-ee-ahh'] vs. ownership of NY home that qualified Hillary to run for Senate) it would just be a matter of adding Bush to the group and taking Clinton out of it, while leaving his other group memberships ("Husband of Hillary", "Member of Democratic Party",...) alone.
[100% ISO 646 Compliant]
SVM, ERGO MONSTRO.
Everybody's learning how...
Joseph Smith was gay? That explains a few things but what's with the liquor stores?
Novell's Client32 never has and never will transmit the password without encryption by default. The password stored in eDir is encrypted and so is the one used to compare sent by the client. cat
Sun's Java is deading because of its closed source, not GNOME-Java, HAHAHAHA.
open4free
They are also porting their nss filesystem to linux (according to some of their guys here at Brainshare). This means salvage/undelete, trustees, and "higher resolution" file permissions on a file system that does not fragment. I do not know if it is journaled or not. This sounds like great news to me...
It is official; Netcraft confirms: Netware is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Netware community when IDC confirmed that Netware market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Netware has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Netware is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Netware's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Netware faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Netware because Netware is dying. Things are looking very bad for Netware. As many of us are already aware, Netware continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeNetware is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeNetware developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeNetware is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenNetware leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenNetware. How many users of NetNetware are there? Let's see. The number of OpenNetware versus NetNetware posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetNetware users. Netware/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetNetware posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Netware/OS. A recent article put FreeNetware at about 80 percent of the Netware market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeNetware users. This is consistent with the number of FreeNetware Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeNetware went out of business and was taken over by NetwareI who sell another troubled OS. Now NetwareI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that Netware has steadily declined in market share. Netware is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Netware is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. Netware continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Netware is dead.
Fact: Netware is dying
I have read the Book of Mormon and their doctrine and all I have to say is they are smoking even more crack than the Jehovah's witnesses. Brigham Young was just a megolamaniac sexual addict and Joseph Smith was a greedy crackpot who claimed people lived on the moon. They also believe we are "spirit children" who will be gods on day. For those that haven't read the doctrine books outside the Book of Mormon and believe it you need to read the others. They contain some very interesting information.
I have a political situation that prevents me from implementing NDPS. But you are correct - NDPS would be the way to go, to get to an IPX-free network.
"The most sensible request of government we make is not, "Do something!" But "Quit it!"
Thanks for the tip - I did miss that one. What is kind of funny is that I use the word 'complement' far more often than 'compliment'.
Since I never get a compliment on the proper usage of complement, I guess I'll just have to strive to complement my compliments with better grammar in the future. ;-)
"The most sensible request of government we make is not, "Do something!" But "Quit it!"
Novell's Client32 never has and never will transmit the password without encryption by default.
Longtime CNI/CNE here [although I'm not part of the team that wrote the code itself, so understand that what follows is the standard Novell sermon that we'll all just have to accept as a matter of faith].
For years, bordering on decades, Novell has insisted that PASSWORDS NEVER TRAVEL THE WIRE!!! In the Novell-verse, only HASHES of passwords are allowed to travel the wire. When you say
you mean to say [and never transmits "passwords" period - no ifs ands or buts allowed].That's one of the reasons Novell gave up on NDS/eDirectory synchronization with NetBT/CIFS, LanManager, and NT Domain Controllers - to make the thing seamless to the end user, they would have had to follow Microsoft's lead and send encrypted passwords over the wire, rather than encrypted hashes of passwords. It's certainly the reason that Native File Sharing in NetWare 6 is such a bitch as to be useless - the end user has to remember both a NetBT/CIFS/LanManager password AND an NDS/eDirectory password precisely because Novell is scared to death that if they were to integrate a NetBT/CDFS/LanManager infrastructure [where passwords travel the wire] into the NDS/eDirectory infrastructure [where only hashes of passwords travel the wire], then they'd lose all their Red Book/Blue Book/Green Eggs & Ham Book certifications. In fact, it's also the reason that, in many scenarios, when you upgrade a server across the wire [e.g. replace an old NetWare 3.x box on 80386 hardware with a newer NetWare box on newer hardware], the user accounts created on the new box have no passwords - to get the passwords from the old box to the new box, Novell would have send passwords, rather than hashes of passwords, across the wire, and, as we've seen, the former is forbidden.
As for the grandparent's assertion that Novell stores "clear text passwords in RAM" - that might have been true circa 1987 and NetWare 2.x, but I can't imagine it's been that way in the last ten or fifteen years. Like some other posters, I'd ask for some documentation on that one.
Yep - I never meant to imply that this was a bad way of thinking... Only that Novell realizes the validity of the argument, so they're not being too quick to phase out the traditional Netware kernel code.
Of course, when you're talking about Microsoft products, you see the tendency for enterprises to upgrade with each new version, primarily because they *pre-paid* for those upgrades when they purchased "software assurance". IMHO, that's one of the biggest scams in software sales today. Pressure the consumer with the threat of paying "far more for the same product if you buy it later", so they pay for non-existant updates in advance. Then, they feel compelled to use all the updates that come out - because not doing so is "wasting the money spent on software assurance".
I can find your other messages too.
Oh, right. Dipshit.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
do you understand that those books present false facts and distorted truths?
Perhaps, but people say that about The Book of Mormon, too.
While church members/pastors/fathers/whatever may not get rich, my eyes were opened one day walking through O'Hare, and seeing a couple of Catholic bishop types and their Louis Vuitton luggage waiting for a limo...
/insert young boy joke here
Dude, they can't have sex, cut 'em a little slack. *g*