You're answering to flaming anonymous cowards. Don't even bother, it's not worth it... I hadn't seen that because I normally only watch +2 posts (when replying I check at 0, so even then it didn't show up).
If Gentoo is completely "about choice", then gentoo isn't unstable or stable. It's the user that's a good chooser.
When you have Mandriva, Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Slackware and many other distros, both stable and older than Gentoo, you wonder what exactly does "historically more stable and secure" means, and compared to what. I use Mandriva, which by all accounts isn't the most stable of the lot, though with your reasoning, it could be too... After all, I just have to choose the right package to keep it chugging along.
Second, lighten up. Nobody but you talked about "ghey", bashed, or insulted Gentoo in any way. And please don't assume whether I or anyone else is trying to use Linux for the first time. I've been using Mandrake and other distros since 1999.
Perhaps you weren't talking about my particular post, but since it's the one you replied to...
"Clickety". The "click" is done by the other hand.
Re:To hack or not to hack, that is the question!
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Most certainly, people like Edison and George Washington Carver and Eli Whitney were hackers.
Hah. So when people calls crackers "hackers" we get upset because they stretch and break the definition, but we get to call everyone we like "hacker" just to make ourselves feel proud and smug? It either goes both ways, or none. I prefer none.
"For many people (though not all), Ubuntu *just works* out of the box. That's something else that few distros can claim." "Every other distro I've tried--including SuSe, Red Hat, Mandrake and Knoppix--were somehow broken out of the box (usually, a key piece of hardware wasn't recognized), and I could never find an easy solution."
Well, for many people (though not all), $distro *just works* out of the box. Maybe not for you. I've tried Ubuntu and found it not bad, but... meh. Some tools could be easier to use (net connection in particular), and Mandriva beats Ubuntu hands down in that. Plus I haven't had any problems with mandriva. Plus it supports mp3 and other media file formats out of the box, something Ubuntu doesn't.
Well, if you don't want a graphical desktop, then just use debian. The config tools Ubuntu incorporates are nothing you won't find in Debian, apart from some graphical interfaces you just said you didn't want.
I doubt Ubuntu would drop the CLI config utilities, especially since most of the graphical config apps are just wrappers around them (this might change, but you'll still be an apt-get away from what you want, won't you?).
On the other hand, if you don't want the pain of testing-unstable (especially right now, with C++ ABI update problems) just use Ubuntu.
Bottom line: it's just one CD. Create an extra partition and try it for yourself.
There are plenty of apps that work with MS Office formats. They've all paid the license fees, and are presumably covered under NDAs or similar things. Wordperfect; the wordprocessor from Apple, and others. They "just" can't be open.
Without wanting to defend one system or the other, this sounds awful close to many of the criticisms of communism: the corruption, human rights abuses and such weren't inherent in the communistic ideas but they were (and are) blamed for them, in addition to the dislike of the ideas in themselves.
On the other hand, I haven't seen much capitalism of another sort, and it's been in practice for a bit more than communism. So maybe this ideal capitalism people like to think about is just not viable and fails because it underestimated the greedy nature of people. Much as communism did.
First it was nations conquering colonies, now it's the multinationals and monopolies doing the same stuff but burying under PC vests. And people own stock in them, so ultimately nobody does a thing because it hurts their own interests.
Having thus ranted, I'm nobody, and possibly wrong. Such is/.
Maybe you're talking exclusively about IT. Otherwise, I don't see how cheap 3rd world labour could be something new. Countries and "capitalistic" corporations have been doing it since at least the 16th century. It was called colonialism then, it's not named now.
The moment ID can be tested by repeatable experiments will be the moment that the ID claims will start to be science. Until then, evolutionists have every right and duty to say "there's no intelligent design - I'm not listening to you".
Or, to put it better "that kind of pseudoscience is still a load of untested, speculative crap distracting people from serious, testable work".
As another poster said, not only the VNC version they used is GPLd, they are also giving back all the modifications they made to it. So why not shut up and avoid this kind of egg-in-da-face?
You know, increasingly we do have hard disks, even on consoles, for that kind of stuff you want. They're called "updates". No need to gouge someone for them, if all they want is an updated roster. Sure, charge them a bit to recoup the investment in licensing the player's names and stuff, and make a buck, but $50 (yes, I know they use new graphic engines)?
This is very much censorship: you don't want them watching something you don't approve of. It might be thought of as "positive censorship", or not, it depends.
I think it's good to guide your kids in your opinions, even if I don't like them. To answer another poster: how else should my children learn that not everything is right? Should I be always assenting because it might be good? Fuck it. On the other hand, I'd like my kids to form their own opinions, even when they're not mine (disclaimer, I'm youngish and I don't have kids)
I think that's a small (I don't really remember the English term for it) shovel used to mix cement. It's indeed a stretched metaphor. I might be wrong, since my menu has the mandriva icons, which do not feature that. I'm quoting from memory.
Re:Gnome offers nothing for efficiency-freaks
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Tried setting "Default zoom level" to 25 for list view? It makes for tiny icons, you see, hardly higher than a 12pt font. Font I need to actually see and read what's on my screen.
If you want efficiency drilling for files, use find or the console. If you want something in the middle, then understand that your particular favorite shade of gray is not the same for everyone. I find my gnome desktop incredibly useful as is.
Re:Nice work... shame about those icons
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The question is not about "who actually thinks of a typewriter when looking for 'office'?" but "who doesn't think of wordprocessing or text editing when he sees a typewriter icon?".
I don't think Gnome needs a new icon set, I think you do. I like the current one.
Re:Did they fix the Gnome Settings Daemon?
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nautilus --no-desktop As it says if you do nautilus --help But I don't really know about the correct icon for file types. Nautilus has done this for at least a year, and quite possibly more.
What the Open source community doesn't have are Art Directors. We have very capable coders, some good testing courtesy of Sun, but no Johnathan Ive. For reasons explained better elsewhere, without people like him it's very hard to transcend the "cool tech gizmo" and achieve the "great usable interface". Beagle might be a great tool, but if the usable interface is not there (and it might be, I don't know) it won't succeed.
The second point I will make, the most repeated one, is that Apple and MS do things for a reason, and spend a lot of money on usability tests. Sometimes it pays off to wander into the unknown, other times it pays off to offer a new user exactly what he's expecting.
The third point I'll make has also been stated by others: KDE and GNOME aren't the whole thing on Open Source Desktops. Multiple alternatives are there, exploring many things. Check enlightenment (yes, they could do a release before hell froze over), check Croquet before thinking "open source doesn't innovate".
The home and trash icons are the ones of Mac OS X. The rest seems "heavily inspired by it". The "brushed metal" windows do nothing to appease that impression.
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You're answering to flaming anonymous cowards. Don't even bother, it's not worth it... I hadn't seen that because I normally only watch +2 posts (when replying I check at 0, so even then it didn't show up).
If Gentoo is completely "about choice", then gentoo isn't unstable or stable. It's the user that's a good chooser.
When you have Mandriva, Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Slackware and many other distros, both stable and older than Gentoo, you wonder what exactly does "historically more stable and secure" means, and compared to what. I use Mandriva, which by all accounts isn't the most stable of the lot, though with your reasoning, it could be too... After all, I just have to choose the right package to keep it chugging along.
Second, lighten up. Nobody but you talked about "ghey", bashed, or insulted Gentoo in any way. And please don't assume whether I or anyone else is trying to use Linux for the first time. I've been using Mandrake and other distros since 1999.
Perhaps you weren't talking about my particular post, but since it's the one you replied to...
Yeah, not to mention the "Hystorically" bit... It's one of the newest distros around, for chrissakes!
"Clickety". The "click" is done by the other hand.
Most certainly, people like Edison and George Washington Carver and Eli Whitney were hackers.
Hah. So when people calls crackers "hackers" we get upset because they stretch and break the definition, but we get to call everyone we like "hacker" just to make ourselves feel proud and smug? It either goes both ways, or none. I prefer none.
"For many people (though not all), Ubuntu *just works* out of the box. That's something else that few distros can claim."
"Every other distro I've tried--including SuSe, Red Hat, Mandrake and Knoppix--were somehow broken out of the box (usually, a key piece of hardware wasn't recognized), and I could never find an easy solution."
Well, for many people (though not all), $distro *just works* out of the box. Maybe not for you. I've tried Ubuntu and found it not bad, but... meh. Some tools could be easier to use (net connection in particular), and Mandriva beats Ubuntu hands down in that. Plus I haven't had any problems with mandriva. Plus it supports mp3 and other media file formats out of the box, something Ubuntu doesn't.
Well, if you don't want a graphical desktop, then just use debian. The config tools Ubuntu incorporates are nothing you won't find in Debian, apart from some graphical interfaces you just said you didn't want.
I doubt Ubuntu would drop the CLI config utilities, especially since most of the graphical config apps are just wrappers around them (this might change, but you'll still be an apt-get away from what you want, won't you?).
On the other hand, if you don't want the pain of testing-unstable (especially right now, with C++ ABI update problems) just use Ubuntu.
Bottom line: it's just one CD. Create an extra partition and try it for yourself.
There are plenty of apps that work with MS Office formats. They've all paid the license fees, and are presumably covered under NDAs or similar things. Wordperfect; the wordprocessor from Apple, and others. They "just" can't be open.
Yes, because the Linux distros aren't made by the same company.
Ah! Sendmail!
Without wanting to defend one system or the other, this sounds awful close to many of the criticisms of communism: the corruption, human rights abuses and such weren't inherent in the communistic ideas but they were (and are) blamed for them, in addition to the dislike of the ideas in themselves.
/.
On the other hand, I haven't seen much capitalism of another sort, and it's been in practice for a bit more than communism. So maybe this ideal capitalism people like to think about is just not viable and fails because it underestimated the greedy nature of people. Much as communism did.
First it was nations conquering colonies, now it's the multinationals and monopolies doing the same stuff but burying under PC vests. And people own stock in them, so ultimately nobody does a thing because it hurts their own interests.
Having thus ranted, I'm nobody, and possibly wrong. Such is
Maybe you're talking exclusively about IT. Otherwise, I don't see how cheap 3rd world labour could be something new. Countries and "capitalistic" corporations have been doing it since at least the 16th century. It was called colonialism then, it's not named now.
I thought the Monad shell wouldn't be available on Vista's release, and that it would also be available as an addon to win XP...
Do you have many of these sources you can't mention to back up other theories or ideas you happen to agree with?
I'm NOT interested at all in things you might mention to back up what you say until you do provide some verifiable sources.
The moment ID can be tested by repeatable experiments will be the moment that the ID claims will start to be science. Until then, evolutionists have every right and duty to say "there's no intelligent design - I'm not listening to you".
Or, to put it better "that kind of pseudoscience is still a load of untested, speculative crap distracting people from serious, testable work".
As another poster said, not only the VNC version they used is GPLd, they are also giving back all the modifications they made to it. So why not shut up and avoid this kind of egg-in-da-face?
You know, increasingly we do have hard disks, even on consoles, for that kind of stuff you want. They're called "updates". No need to gouge someone for them, if all they want is an updated roster. Sure, charge them a bit to recoup the investment in licensing the player's names and stuff, and make a buck, but $50 (yes, I know they use new graphic engines)?
This is very much censorship: you don't want them watching something you don't approve of. It might be thought of as "positive censorship", or not, it depends.
I think it's good to guide your kids in your opinions, even if I don't like them. To answer another poster: how else should my children learn that not everything is right? Should I be always assenting because it might be good? Fuck it. On the other hand, I'd like my kids to form their own opinions, even when they're not mine (disclaimer, I'm youngish and I don't have kids)
Well, the tsunami in indonesia could be construed as that. By someone particularly perverted.
I think that's a small (I don't really remember the English term for it) shovel used to mix cement. It's indeed a stretched metaphor. I might be wrong, since my menu has the mandriva icons, which do not feature that. I'm quoting from memory.
Tried setting "Default zoom level" to 25 for list view? It makes for tiny icons, you see, hardly higher than a 12pt font. Font I need to actually see and read what's on my screen.
If you want efficiency drilling for files, use find or the console. If you want something in the middle, then understand that your particular favorite shade of gray is not the same for everyone. I find my gnome desktop incredibly useful as is.
The question is not about "who actually thinks of a typewriter when looking for 'office'?" but "who doesn't think of wordprocessing or text editing when he sees a typewriter icon?".
I don't think Gnome needs a new icon set, I think you do. I like the current one.
nautilus --no-desktop
As it says if you do
nautilus --help
But I don't really know about the correct icon for file types. Nautilus has done this for at least a year, and quite possibly more.
What the Open source community doesn't have are Art Directors. We have very capable coders, some good testing courtesy of Sun, but no Johnathan Ive. For reasons explained better elsewhere, without people like him it's very hard to transcend the "cool tech gizmo" and achieve the "great usable interface". Beagle might be a great tool, but if the usable interface is not there (and it might be, I don't know) it won't succeed.
The second point I will make, the most repeated one, is that Apple and MS do things for a reason, and spend a lot of money on usability tests. Sometimes it pays off to wander into the unknown, other times it pays off to offer a new user exactly what he's expecting.
The third point I'll make has also been stated by others: KDE and GNOME aren't the whole thing on Open Source Desktops. Multiple alternatives are there, exploring many things. Check enlightenment (yes, they could do a release before hell froze over), check Croquet before thinking "open source doesn't innovate".
The home and trash icons are the ones of Mac OS X. The rest seems "heavily inspired by it". The "brushed metal" windows do nothing to appease that impression.