You assume that normally, users have access to the bug tracking interface, which is only generally true of FOSS software, not of commercial software in general.
Don't get me wrong, there are many things to be improved in Bugzilla's interface. Still, the normal public of bugzilla is either motivated enough (as I am) to work with it, or is not, in which case they tend to use IRC channels, email or other tools to submit their reports (as I sometimes do: I don't always want to register on a bug tracker database just to report one single bug.
Making the interface easier to use also has drawbacks: for example, developers complain about duplicate bugs as it is. Imagine if an easier to use program allowed many more people to submit their bugs with just a cursory glance at previous submissions.
You shouldn't be using his drivers directly, if possible. Most major distros already package them (at the very least, Mandriva and Ubuntu do, with the dkms-spca5xx and spca5xx packages, respectively). He has done an outstanding job already.
You just lost an excellent opportunity to keep your mouth shut. "He didn't even make the deb pkg files"... What else, do you want mr. Xhaard a hot cup of latte in bed with those? Most distros I've used, including Mandriva and Ubuntu, already package his drivers. I know it because I've used them for months now: If you've ever used an spcaxxx-based webcam, the driver was written by him.
That would be correct if the only language used by Google programmers was Python. However, they use a mix of C++, Java, Python and (obviously) Javascript (I'll leave the "But Javascript isn't a real programming language!" to others).
Basically, I'd bet that what we now see is a lot of _public_ beta testing, brought forth as a practice by none others than open source and extreme coding programmers. Unless we count Windows 1, 2 and 3.0, Windows 95, Windows 98 (1st ed.) and XP (before SP2), and the lot of other fine programs that have been "stable" and "finished" only in their names.
I do agree that the meanings of "alpha", "beta" and "RC" have been completely warped.
Two small details: First: to the eyes of the public, you're _already_ a child molester, nevermind the outcome of the case. So going to jail will only mark you as "the _convicted_ child molester". Maybe someone will make a movie out of your misery, though, a few years later. Woo hoo.
Man, you don't live in Italy. Everyone phones everywhere they are. Especially on bus, train, car, bike (no shit, I've seen them). I once had the pleasure to listen to a lady organize a party for 13 people during a whole 40 minutes of trip, at the top of her voice. She only stopped when an old man said to her "Don't you realize you're breaking everyone's balls?" (the invective sounds better in Italian). Grand old man, showed all of us not to take it lying down. Plus, she got up and left.
tlfka = "the library formerly known as..." . The rest of the post is not so clever (it's actually bullshit), I just meant that adium devs don't have many problems using libpurple on OS X, without seeing that you had already mentioned them. Sorry
Considering all the software that runs on MS and figuring in things like tax software, accounting, games, hardware that doesn't have linux drivers, etc. it would be more expensive to go to Linux for me then if I bought Vista.
Sorry, I don't understand: Vista makes the price of other software to somehow magically disappear?I accept that some software people use doesn't yet exist on Linux, but this isn't what you said.
Proving yourself that the software you installed didn't cause the hardware problem is a wee bit different from "we won't honor the warranty if you run Linux"
It doesn't depend so much on the MUA (although if that's the only option on the software you're certainly shit outta luck): mbox is a common format for mail. It does get unwieldy if there's a lot of mail in the file, of course, but it's easier to search by hand than a plethora of directories. I think.
Right you are. What I should have said is: RMS "heartily suggests" the use of the GPL only, even to the point of saying not to use the LGPL for libraries. So I doubt a positive stance on non-GPL software represents him or his opinions.
That _still_ doesn't equate what the Fedora distro people do with what RMS does. I know they share many objectives, but I believe Fedora is an _open source_ only distro: Python is not free software, it's open source. It's an important difference, at least to RMS. RMS doesn't answer for the Fedora foundation, he doesn't even recommend Fedora as far as I know. Neither can be said on the opposite about Fedora.
I do agree with your view on the fanatism of RMS, but attributing ideas to him or associating him with people he has nothing to do with isn't the way to make the point come across.
I also view ESR as an opinionated bastard: it's either his own way or you are wrong and "it's a damn, damn shame". It never occurred to him that maybe, just maybe, he could be wrong. The Fedora leaders told him months ago "If you look for proprietary software it's OK, but this distro has as a core principle the use of non-proprietary software, so no can do". It was clear enough then, and ESR threw a hissy fit about how they wouldn't accept change. Being there several other distros that do incorporate what he wants, I don't understand him.
Now we'll enjoy his enlightened commentary on the Ubuntu MLs. How many variations on the theme "you don't subscribe my opinion, therefore you're a bumbling fool" will we have to suffer before he jumps ship again? ESR, LFS is over there ->!
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You assume that normally, users have access to the bug tracking interface, which is only generally true of FOSS software, not of commercial software in general.
Don't get me wrong, there are many things to be improved in Bugzilla's interface. Still, the normal public of bugzilla is either motivated enough (as I am) to work with it, or is not, in which case they tend to use IRC channels, email or other tools to submit their reports (as I sometimes do: I don't always want to register on a bug tracker database just to report one single bug.
Making the interface easier to use also has drawbacks: for example, developers complain about duplicate bugs as it is. Imagine if an easier to use program allowed many more people to submit their bugs with just a cursory glance at previous submissions.
Normally, users "evolved" enough to even know what is a bug tracker and how to follow the instructions.
Sorry, but something that is obvious to you (and that you asked rethorically) isn't to me.
Ahem. The normal userbase of a bug tracking program is not composed of coders and engineers?
The site is not slashdotted, nor digged. It was down before the news got to both sites.
It might be a preemptive shutdown? Servers now cower before the slashdotting comes? Not fair!
You shouldn't be using his drivers directly, if possible. Most major distros already package them (at the very least, Mandriva and Ubuntu do, with the dkms-spca5xx and spca5xx packages, respectively). He has done an outstanding job already.
You just lost an excellent opportunity to keep your mouth shut. "He didn't even make the deb pkg files"... What else, do you want mr. Xhaard a hot cup of latte in bed with those? Most distros I've used, including Mandriva and Ubuntu, already package his drivers. I know it because I've used them for months now: If you've ever used an spcaxxx-based webcam, the driver was written by him.
God, I shouldn't need to write this.
Cue the references to the "lickable" interface. Excuse me, I'll just go gouge my eyes for a bit, be right back.
That would be correct if the only language used by Google programmers was Python. However, they use a mix of C++, Java, Python and (obviously) Javascript (I'll leave the "But Javascript isn't a real programming language!" to others).
Basically, I'd bet that what we now see is a lot of _public_ beta testing, brought forth as a practice by none others than open source and extreme coding programmers. Unless we count Windows 1, 2 and 3.0, Windows 95, Windows 98 (1st ed.) and XP (before SP2), and the lot of other fine programs that have been "stable" and "finished" only in their names.
I do agree that the meanings of "alpha", "beta" and "RC" have been completely warped.
Two small details:
First: to the eyes of the public, you're _already_ a child molester, nevermind the outcome of the case. So going to jail will only mark you as "the _convicted_ child molester". Maybe someone will make a movie out of your misery, though, a few years later. Woo hoo.
Second: learn to spell "Kaiser".
Help alleviate the load: use the torrents.
Good God, thanks nobody invented a network protocol and called it "I pee". We'd never see the end of it.
You could always get this, you know.
Man, you don't live in Italy. Everyone phones everywhere they are. Especially on bus, train, car, bike (no shit, I've seen them). I once had the pleasure to listen to a lady organize a party for 13 people during a whole 40 minutes of trip, at the top of her voice. She only stopped when an old man said to her "Don't you realize you're breaking everyone's balls?" (the invective sounds better in Italian). Grand old man, showed all of us not to take it lying down. Plus, she got up and left.
libpurple is the new name for libgaim.
tlfka = "the library formerly known as ..." . The rest of the post is not so clever (it's actually bullshit), I just meant that adium devs don't have many problems using libpurple on OS X, without seeing that you had already mentioned them.
Sorry
Funny, the Adium developers don't seem to have a particular problem with this. Perhaps nobody told them when they scarted using TLFKA libgaim?
Sorry, I don't understand: Vista makes the price of other software to somehow magically disappear?I accept that some software people use doesn't yet exist on Linux, but this isn't what you said.
The robotic overlord link was present at least yesterday. I clicked on the link to listen to (I think) the "ribena has no vitamin C" story.
Proving yourself that the software you installed didn't cause the hardware problem is a wee bit different from "we won't honor the warranty if you run Linux"
Kilohectare? Is it supposed to be teh funnies? The hectare is not a measure of weight, and multiplying it by one thousand won't help that.
It doesn't depend so much on the MUA (although if that's the only option on the software you're certainly shit outta luck): mbox is a common format for mail. It does get unwieldy if there's a lot of mail in the file, of course, but it's easier to search by hand than a plethora of directories. I think.
Right you are. What I should have said is: RMS "heartily suggests" the use of the GPL only, even to the point of saying not to use the LGPL for libraries. So I doubt a positive stance on non-GPL software represents him or his opinions.
That _still_ doesn't equate what the Fedora distro people do with what RMS does. I know they share many objectives, but I believe Fedora is an _open source_ only distro: Python is not free software, it's open source. It's an important difference, at least to RMS. RMS doesn't answer for the Fedora foundation, he doesn't even recommend Fedora as far as I know. Neither can be said on the opposite about Fedora.
I do agree with your view on the fanatism of RMS, but attributing ideas to him or associating him with people he has nothing to do with isn't the way to make the point come across.
I also view ESR as an opinionated bastard: it's either his own way or you are wrong and "it's a damn, damn shame". It never occurred to him that maybe, just maybe, he could be wrong. The Fedora leaders told him months ago "If you look for proprietary software it's OK, but this distro has as a core principle the use of non-proprietary software, so no can do". It was clear enough then, and ESR threw a hissy fit about how they wouldn't accept change. Being there several other distros that do incorporate what he wants, I don't understand him.
Now we'll enjoy his enlightened commentary on the Ubuntu MLs. How many variations on the theme "you don't subscribe my opinion, therefore you're a bumbling fool" will we have to suffer before he jumps ship again? ESR, LFS is over there ->!
I don't follow your reasoning: RMS has nothing to do with Fedora...