Can you provide an instance of an FCC vote where the commissioners broke from a official party platform position held by the President, congressional leaders, and the DNC/RNC?
I'd be genuinely interested if you could but I doubt it, especially in modern times. They're tools of their party for both good and bad; there's no actual independence. Party leaders set the agenda, the FCC doesn't independently determine it, if it's a political issue.
Any congressman that knows being a hero to the small part of your constituency that even knows what NN isnt good if it pisses off the ones giving them money?
Which is funny, given that's exactly what you are. You think you know better than all the experts who have looked at this? Somehow I'm confident you don't have any kind of physics education, nor the ability to follow Miguel's math.
If the experts think their incomplete theories are the final say for all time, they're simply arrogant. Here you are telling me a society that's 100 years past GR, can't reconcile that with QM, doesn't say it's strictly impossible (even if the method proposed by Alcubierre wouldn't be possible to construct, and while I'm not an expert, the people who are can't rule it out 100%, it doesn't change the fundamental principle that spacetime itself is not constrained to c, only motion through it)... any expert that would conclude anything about what absolutely, beyond doubt, is or is not possible in the distant future with unified theories and unimaginable technology, is a fool. I doubt you'd find one single true expert who'd disagree with this point and be absolutely 100% certain; I don't have to be such an expert myself to know what they say about this.
We know, and no, it isn't possible. This isn't like saying the sound barrier can't be broken, this is a fundamental property of our universe that is backed up by piles of experimental confirmation with absolutely nothing indicating the possibility of being wrong about it and everything indicating that if FTL were possible, pretty much everything else in solidly understood physics would have to be wrong.
Either you think I'm talking about FTL through conventional spacetime or you're completely off base here. I said effective FTL; do you not know what that was referring to? I'm not suggesting you could accelerate a mass beyond c through normal space.
It's a damn thought experiment and a math exercise, that's it.
Yes, that shows effective FTL doesn't inherently violate relativity. I cited it as an example of that principle, not as a practical method to construct such a device. It shows that everything we know to be true doesn't have to be entirely wrong for there to be some possible way to move spacetime itself rather than go through it.
We don't know. End of story. Our theories of physics are incomplete. A complete theory might rule out any possible way it could be achieved. But we don't have one. There's just no way we can say conclusively; it's the height of arrogance. You're making the same damn mistake. Taking knowledge you know to be incomplete, and talking about what is and is not possible *as we understand things*, and fundamentally, we still have no clue about so many aspects of our universe, how it works, where it came from, what the nature of it is, what the nature of other dimensions might be, if they exist at all... and you're going to tell me we can definitively rule out all possibility of traveling outside conventional spacetime? Bull. Shit. We are absolutely primitive in our knowledge. But no, you know it all, all the answers of the universe, because that's what it would actually take to rule out every conceivable way to get around c.
It never stops amusing me how arrogant most humans are, assuming that our current level of understanding of physics, which can't even reconcile QM and relativity, is so absolutely correct that no exceptions could possibly exist we're not aware of that would allow any technology better than what we'll have in the next couple decades. Ruling out all effective FTL methods for societies millions or billions of years more advanced than ours is just delusional, especially given it's not even strictly impossible under our current laws (e.g. an Alcubierre drive.. it may be impossible, or it may not, we don't know, we just figured out simple electricity a couple centuries ago, let's see what our understanding of physics says in million or so years).
Who's to say they haven't filled the galaxy? We couldn't detect it one way or the other. The only possible way we'd know right now (and for the foreseeable future) is if they purposefully announced themselves to us, and there could be any number of reasons why they haven't. Not to mention the silliness in presuming colonizing the galaxy would be a goal pursued by a society advanced enough to do it, especially if it could only be done at sub-light- who's gonna bother expending resources to colonize somewhere you can't even communicate with or get resources back from in 100 lifetimes?
Sounds like you haven't been to the parts of the country where people use racial slurs and sexism in casual conversation and everyone else just nods in agreement or laughs at the funny n*r jokes. Welcome to dark red america.
Well really they're just telling the truth. They decided to kill NN and fuck what the public thought. It won't matter if 100% of the anti-NN comments are fraudulent, because their minds are made up already. It's like Pai's "it's funny because it's true" I'm-a-shill joke.
I don't even know what to say to people like you. You're obviously not fundamentally stupid, so what am I left to conclude? That you're being ignorant out of malice? What is it?
"They" never asked for government's protection of the monopoly. Your beloved FDR forced it upon "them". We've been paying for that evil Statist's misgovernment for decades.
Whether they asked for it a century ago is completely irrelevant. They have it now and actively fight any attempt to even slightly weaken it.
Fortunately, the communication monopolies are shattering somewhat. Unfortunately, that process is slow and remains reversible â" thanks to government.
No, it's not shattering. Mobile is not a suitable replacement, and Google Fiber and municipal fiber represent a statistically insignificant percent of service.
Does it? Well, then it also gets to detach them. Suck it up, cupcake. Live by the government, die by the government, so to speak.
Of course they can. We're talking about if they *should*. That's the point we're disagreeing on.
But, hey, thank you for admitting, that in your opinion the FCC is there to help protect the big business monopolies â" you don't seem to mind it at all.
Thinking that NN protects entrenched monopolies is just delusional. It only effects ISPs, and prevents their monopoly from engaging in certain (but not all) abuses.
Bullshit. There is no fairness in "Net Neutrality" â" it is not about that in the least.
It has its issues but that statement reveals you're just talking out your ass. Like not allowing dominant players to pay to further entrench their position and lock out competitors with fast lanes and paid access doesn't increase the level of fairness. Seriously? The only concept of "fairness" you seem to have is that it's unfair to place consumer protection measures on monopolies.
But if you take away their misinformation, they'll have nothing left! Then how will they defend the poor helpless megacorps just trying to make an extra million bucks?? Don't forget the trickle down benefits of that; the CEO might use $1-2 of that extra million to tip their yacht attendant before parking the bonus in an offshore tax haven.
Can't have it both ways. If they get to keep their government-protected monopoly and benefit from taxpayer subsidies, the government gets to attach strings like enforcing basic fairness. I often hear arguments like yours from the free market types that don't fully understand the issue, who seem to have forgotten that monopolies aren't a free market and prevent fair market competition and allowing them to expand horizontally with unfair competition, and allow other large providers to pay them to abuse their own dominant positions, is the very antithesis of the free market.
Ajit Pai doesn't care about what you have to say no matter what. He is bought and paid for by Verizon and nothing will ever convince him to relent on his crusade to maximize how hard big telecom companies can fuck consumers and fuck the internet. Well; I suppose someone sufficiently rich could simply buy Verizon then order him to change his stance, but short of that it's not happening.
Format shifting is fair use no matter how hard the RIAA/MPAA tries to complain about it and interfere with it, especially on the moral principle side. The posters bigger problem seems to be that his son is unable to recognize that concept, where the letter of the law is manifestly unjust.
Yeah well so is the entire war on drugs, half our military actions, and a good part of the government itself. Unfortunately being obviously against the constitution doesn't actually mean anything when the court lacks the integrity to say so.
You have an awfully high opinion of the sophistication of criminals. Everything you describe could only possibly be undertaken by the most elite organized crime orgs in the world. For the other 99.99% of criminals, they'll just continue carrying on over plain old SMS and cell phones just like they do now, even in the face of secure alternatives. There's a small subset that are slightly more sophisticated that laws on built in encryption matter; but let's face it, this really has nothing to do with criminals at all.
The problem is the CIA/NSA will forward information to domestic law enforcement like the DEA and FBI, or those agencies can request help, and they then use parallel construction to conceal the source. This isn't a "they could" thing, it's a "this is already business as usual" thing. From there it's shockingly easy to find yourself on the wrong end of a raid even if you're innocent, just for talking to the wrong person and saying the wrong thing then having it interpreted wrong.
If people detect your post as an argument going against the groupthink, it now gets modded troll/flamebait regardless of being factually accurate and logically consistent. Good debate used to get modded up even in disagreement; not anymore. And if you think it's bad here you should see what the moderation is like on ArsTechnica these days.
theweatherelectic is diversifying his (her? never saw a reference either way) comments after I called them out for posting exclusively pro-FF57 posts for many many months yet always responding in minutes to FF stories. Not surprised he's getting called out on those too.
Since when does Facebook even allow deleting posts? Last time I tried it was either not there or so well hidden the only option appeared to be to just restrict visibility to 'only me'.
And you never let people take pictures of you? You sound like a fun guy. How long does that policy last before there's no one there to try?
My Comcast service was far below what I was paying for. They sent a tech out several times, who after checking the line asserted there was no problem and left. Eventually I found the problem myself, the modem had been reprovisioned to a lower bandwidth cap. I called tech support and tried to explain this, of course they had precisely zero clue what I was talking about and wanted to keep forcing me through all the stupid reboots and Windows troubleshooting. Eventually I demanded to be put through to tier 2 support, and they were obviously extremely familiar with this tactic because as soon as I said 'my modem is provisioned to the wrong tier' they put me on hold for 20 seconds and immediately came back with "Sorry about that, it's fixed." This happened monthly for a year, and probably would have continued but I moved out of their stranglehold. Had I not been a technically sophisticated user, this would never have gotten resolved. I place the odds of this being an innocent mistake instead of something purposefully neglected to keep people on lower tiers around my odds of winning powerball, and I don't play powerball.
If the government put cameras on every corner, then paired that with working facial recognition, then made the database searchable by person for anyone with a badge, that too is a totally unreasonable invasion of privacy. Like the court ruling that disallowed sticking a GPS on your car without a warrant; sure it would be ok for a cop to follow you, but the level of invasiveness that comes with automated technology gives rise to valid privacy concerns.
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Can you provide an instance of an FCC vote where the commissioners broke from a official party platform position held by the President, congressional leaders, and the DNC/RNC?
I'd be genuinely interested if you could but I doubt it, especially in modern times. They're tools of their party for both good and bad; there's no actual independence. Party leaders set the agenda, the FCC doesn't independently determine it, if it's a political issue.
Any congressman that knows being a hero to the small part of your constituency that even knows what NN isnt good if it pisses off the ones giving them money?
So your response to Petty crimes is a death sentence? Has it occurred to you that maybe you're part of why society is so fucked up in the first place?
Shocker.
Which is funny, given that's exactly what you are. You think you know better than all the experts who have looked at this? Somehow I'm confident you don't have any kind of physics education, nor the ability to follow Miguel's math.
If the experts think their incomplete theories are the final say for all time, they're simply arrogant. Here you are telling me a society that's 100 years past GR, can't reconcile that with QM, doesn't say it's strictly impossible (even if the method proposed by Alcubierre wouldn't be possible to construct, and while I'm not an expert, the people who are can't rule it out 100%, it doesn't change the fundamental principle that spacetime itself is not constrained to c, only motion through it)... any expert that would conclude anything about what absolutely, beyond doubt, is or is not possible in the distant future with unified theories and unimaginable technology, is a fool. I doubt you'd find one single true expert who'd disagree with this point and be absolutely 100% certain; I don't have to be such an expert myself to know what they say about this.
We know, and no, it isn't possible. This isn't like saying the sound barrier can't be broken, this is a fundamental property of our universe that is backed up by piles of experimental confirmation with absolutely nothing indicating the possibility of being wrong about it and everything indicating that if FTL were possible, pretty much everything else in solidly understood physics would have to be wrong.
Either you think I'm talking about FTL through conventional spacetime or you're completely off base here. I said effective FTL; do you not know what that was referring to? I'm not suggesting you could accelerate a mass beyond c through normal space.
It's a damn thought experiment and a math exercise, that's it.
Yes, that shows effective FTL doesn't inherently violate relativity. I cited it as an example of that principle, not as a practical method to construct such a device. It shows that everything we know to be true doesn't have to be entirely wrong for there to be some possible way to move spacetime itself rather than go through it.
We don't know. End of story. Our theories of physics are incomplete. A complete theory might rule out any possible way it could be achieved. But we don't have one. There's just no way we can say conclusively; it's the height of arrogance. You're making the same damn mistake. Taking knowledge you know to be incomplete, and talking about what is and is not possible *as we understand things*, and fundamentally, we still have no clue about so many aspects of our universe, how it works, where it came from, what the nature of it is, what the nature of other dimensions might be, if they exist at all... and you're going to tell me we can definitively rule out all possibility of traveling outside conventional spacetime? Bull. Shit. We are absolutely primitive in our knowledge. But no, you know it all, all the answers of the universe, because that's what it would actually take to rule out every conceivable way to get around c.
It never stops amusing me how arrogant most humans are, assuming that our current level of understanding of physics, which can't even reconcile QM and relativity, is so absolutely correct that no exceptions could possibly exist we're not aware of that would allow any technology better than what we'll have in the next couple decades. Ruling out all effective FTL methods for societies millions or billions of years more advanced than ours is just delusional, especially given it's not even strictly impossible under our current laws (e.g. an Alcubierre drive.. it may be impossible, or it may not, we don't know, we just figured out simple electricity a couple centuries ago, let's see what our understanding of physics says in million or so years).
Like those crazy conspiracy theorists that thought the NSA was watching everything you do online?
Who's to say they haven't filled the galaxy? We couldn't detect it one way or the other. The only possible way we'd know right now (and for the foreseeable future) is if they purposefully announced themselves to us, and there could be any number of reasons why they haven't. Not to mention the silliness in presuming colonizing the galaxy would be a goal pursued by a society advanced enough to do it, especially if it could only be done at sub-light- who's gonna bother expending resources to colonize somewhere you can't even communicate with or get resources back from in 100 lifetimes?
Sounds like you haven't been to the parts of the country where people use racial slurs and sexism in casual conversation and everyone else just nods in agreement or laughs at the funny n*r jokes. Welcome to dark red america.
The public comment period was seeking novel legal arguments.
Yeah, so they could formulate arguments against them to defend their predetermined position, not so they could actually consider them.
Well really they're just telling the truth. They decided to kill NN and fuck what the public thought. It won't matter if 100% of the anti-NN comments are fraudulent, because their minds are made up already. It's like Pai's "it's funny because it's true" I'm-a-shill joke.
"They" never asked for government's protection of the monopoly. Your beloved FDR forced it upon "them". We've been paying for that evil Statist's misgovernment for decades.
Whether they asked for it a century ago is completely irrelevant. They have it now and actively fight any attempt to even slightly weaken it.
Fortunately, the communication monopolies are shattering somewhat. Unfortunately, that process is slow and remains reversible â" thanks to government.
No, it's not shattering. Mobile is not a suitable replacement, and Google Fiber and municipal fiber represent a statistically insignificant percent of service.
Does it? Well, then it also gets to detach them. Suck it up, cupcake. Live by the government, die by the government, so to speak.
Of course they can. We're talking about if they *should*. That's the point we're disagreeing on.
But, hey, thank you for admitting, that in your opinion the FCC is there to help protect the big business monopolies â" you don't seem to mind it at all.
Thinking that NN protects entrenched monopolies is just delusional. It only effects ISPs, and prevents their monopoly from engaging in certain (but not all) abuses.
Bullshit. There is no fairness in "Net Neutrality" â" it is not about that in the least.
It has its issues but that statement reveals you're just talking out your ass. Like not allowing dominant players to pay to further entrench their position and lock out competitors with fast lanes and paid access doesn't increase the level of fairness. Seriously? The only concept of "fairness" you seem to have is that it's unfair to place consumer protection measures on monopolies.
But if you take away their misinformation, they'll have nothing left! Then how will they defend the poor helpless megacorps just trying to make an extra million bucks?? Don't forget the trickle down benefits of that; the CEO might use $1-2 of that extra million to tip their yacht attendant before parking the bonus in an offshore tax haven.
Can't have it both ways. If they get to keep their government-protected monopoly and benefit from taxpayer subsidies, the government gets to attach strings like enforcing basic fairness. I often hear arguments like yours from the free market types that don't fully understand the issue, who seem to have forgotten that monopolies aren't a free market and prevent fair market competition and allowing them to expand horizontally with unfair competition, and allow other large providers to pay them to abuse their own dominant positions, is the very antithesis of the free market.
Ajit Pai doesn't care about what you have to say no matter what. He is bought and paid for by Verizon and nothing will ever convince him to relent on his crusade to maximize how hard big telecom companies can fuck consumers and fuck the internet. Well; I suppose someone sufficiently rich could simply buy Verizon then order him to change his stance, but short of that it's not happening.
Format shifting is fair use no matter how hard the RIAA/MPAA tries to complain about it and interfere with it, especially on the moral principle side. The posters bigger problem seems to be that his son is unable to recognize that concept, where the letter of the law is manifestly unjust.
Yeah well so is the entire war on drugs, half our military actions, and a good part of the government itself. Unfortunately being obviously against the constitution doesn't actually mean anything when the court lacks the integrity to say so.
Supreme Court makes obviously awful ruling to protect the interests of the powerful, news at 11.
You have an awfully high opinion of the sophistication of criminals. Everything you describe could only possibly be undertaken by the most elite organized crime orgs in the world. For the other 99.99% of criminals, they'll just continue carrying on over plain old SMS and cell phones just like they do now, even in the face of secure alternatives. There's a small subset that are slightly more sophisticated that laws on built in encryption matter; but let's face it, this really has nothing to do with criminals at all.
The problem is the CIA/NSA will forward information to domestic law enforcement like the DEA and FBI, or those agencies can request help, and they then use parallel construction to conceal the source. This isn't a "they could" thing, it's a "this is already business as usual" thing. From there it's shockingly easy to find yourself on the wrong end of a raid even if you're innocent, just for talking to the wrong person and saying the wrong thing then having it interpreted wrong.
If people detect your post as an argument going against the groupthink, it now gets modded troll/flamebait regardless of being factually accurate and logically consistent. Good debate used to get modded up even in disagreement; not anymore. And if you think it's bad here you should see what the moderation is like on ArsTechnica these days.
theweatherelectic is diversifying his (her? never saw a reference either way) comments after I called them out for posting exclusively pro-FF57 posts for many many months yet always responding in minutes to FF stories. Not surprised he's getting called out on those too.
Since when does Facebook even allow deleting posts? Last time I tried it was either not there or so well hidden the only option appeared to be to just restrict visibility to 'only me'.
And you never let people take pictures of you? You sound like a fun guy. How long does that policy last before there's no one there to try?
My Comcast service was far below what I was paying for. They sent a tech out several times, who after checking the line asserted there was no problem and left. Eventually I found the problem myself, the modem had been reprovisioned to a lower bandwidth cap. I called tech support and tried to explain this, of course they had precisely zero clue what I was talking about and wanted to keep forcing me through all the stupid reboots and Windows troubleshooting. Eventually I demanded to be put through to tier 2 support, and they were obviously extremely familiar with this tactic because as soon as I said 'my modem is provisioned to the wrong tier' they put me on hold for 20 seconds and immediately came back with "Sorry about that, it's fixed." This happened monthly for a year, and probably would have continued but I moved out of their stranglehold. Had I not been a technically sophisticated user, this would never have gotten resolved. I place the odds of this being an innocent mistake instead of something purposefully neglected to keep people on lower tiers around my odds of winning powerball, and I don't play powerball.
If the government put cameras on every corner, then paired that with working facial recognition, then made the database searchable by person for anyone with a badge, that too is a totally unreasonable invasion of privacy. Like the court ruling that disallowed sticking a GPS on your car without a warrant; sure it would be ok for a cop to follow you, but the level of invasiveness that comes with automated technology gives rise to valid privacy concerns.