hey, sorry about not mentioning Orbz... I looked for the Linux logo on Garage Games, but the only ones that it turned up on were Marble Blast, Torque Engine, and Think Tanks.
I'll spread the word about this game.
Unfortunate that the demo is on fileplanet only... That site sucks.;)
So then we should reject every FPS game, since we've already got Quake 3 Arena, and every sports game because we've got Stoned, and every racing game because we've got TuxRacer?
Get a grip. Do you want more games for Linux or not? Why is choice bad? Why can we have 80 desktop environments and window managers, but we can only have one RTS game?
I agree. If you want to play all the games that you think you *need* to play so badly, use Windows or Mac or Xbox or whatever it is that they are coming out for. The article wasn't one of these "Linux is everything" and "you must run Linux because it has these games" but rather it was pointing out what is out there, and what will be out there in the future.
I have a Playstation and three Linux computers. I like to know what games will come out for Linux, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, and hence I wrote the article.
The article was about Linux games, not Windows games.
The chances that Transgaming has had to produce native ports have gone to shit. The Sims and Kohan are WineX-based crap. I've compared their Kohan against Loki's Kohan, and Loki's doesn't crash, it's faster, smoother, and the sound doesn't ever get messed up. Not to mention that the Linux version is an actual Linux version, and doesn't require that I connect to the Internet to install or run the game.
Sorry, but I use Linux and Linux software, not Linux and Windows software. If I wanted to run Windows software, I'd just install Windows because it runs a hell of a lot better than Wine and WineX do.
I used to be a subscriber, and I tested over 70 of my Windows games in it. Guess how many actually ran? Seven. Guess how many locked up and forced me to reset my system? The majority. It's not worth it. I don't agree with subscription-based software, for one thing, and I don't agree with Transgaming, for another. They are bad open-source citizens, and they blatantly lied to me when they said that after a certain number of subscribers, they would release their source code to Wine. I don't care what excuses anyone makes for Transgaming; the fact is that they said it, and now they don't.
They also lied when they said that they won't be testing games that are being ported natively... Medal of Honor is being ported to Linux right now, just as my article says, and yet Transgaming brags about how it runs in WineX. I can't count the number of people that run Quake 3 Arena in WineX... I've talked to them myself, so I KNOW that it's true. I just don't understand this.
Furthermore, WineX hurts Linux's chances of getting native ports. Aside from the Sacrifice port which they killed, they are creating a Linux gaming community that relies on Windows and Windows software... Transgaming is always a few steps behind Windows, and always will be. What happens in a few years from now, when WineX is good enough that it can run a lot of games, and then Microsoft sues Transgaming? They aren't loyal to Linux at all - look at Gav's track record. Does Corel support Linux anymore? No. Will Transgaming? No. They simply saw a potential for cash, and they stepped in. That's all this is. What if Microsoft changes their architecture so much that Wine and WineX are rendered useless with new software? They have to start all over... And what will become of those "hardcore gamer" Linux users? They'll crawl back to Windows on their knees. And if you don't agree that one of these scenarios will happen, then you can't deny that it will hurt or kill LGP. Linux users are NOT loyal to Linux - ask what was Tribsoft or someone from Hyperion, two companies who stopped porting to Linux because so-called Linux users are too fucking cheap to buy native games, and they'd rather buy the 20-discount bin Windows versions and then use WineX or dual-boot. At least Amiga and Mac users are loyal to their operating system. They don't buy Windows software at all. They buy software for their platform. Hell, the majority of Linux users don't even pay for their distro. Hyperion has a deal now, but if they will port to Linux remains to be seen.
The future of Linux gaming is NOT bright when you keep getting bombarded with emails and comments about WineX and playing Windows games in Linux.
When we can run Windows games on Linux, there is no need for native ports. It's a sad, sad day. I'm very glad I bought a Playstation, because I can't see Linux gaming surviving much longer.
For one thing, Germany is not France, and two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about politics, it's about a fucking Linux distro.
For another thing, Mandrake can do what they want with their product. It's pretty sad that you want to be a freeloading bastard with no respect to the people who worked to produce the software that YOU use. Your post raised only the point that people are cheap, pathetic, and ungrateful. Congratulations.
I still disagree. You can learn Linux on any distro, so long as you WANT to learn. It's a personal choice. If someone doesn't want to learn, they won't.
How are you going to learn how to use Debian if you can't get it installed? Most Linux users don't have any friends, never mind friends that can come over to their place and teach them how to install a distro.
That said, it is worth noting that you CAN learn a hell of a lot using Mandrake. I used it for just under a year as my primary OS before ditching Windows, and just over a year before switching to Debian. The install was fine, but trying to get my devices working, bootloader booting, and things like that would have forced me to reinstall Windows had I not learned such things under Mandrake.
If you think that Mandrake is without problems, then you surely haven't used it. And even if it did everything perfectly, it wouldn't matter since most people would rather install their OS and be using it an hour later, not recompiling crap or trying to make their mouse work.
It is a sad day when people put down an operating system because it "just works."
And to not purchase it, you are stabbing one of the major Linux distro makers in the back. Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government, just as I have no control over my government. I voted for the Alliance party, but they didn't get in because of the other people in my country... Mandrake has nothing to do with politics, and to draw that relationship is very immature and stupid.
They've claimed that they like BSD, just not Linux's GPL... Soooo... why don't they just use the BSD License?
Oh, because it would be detrimental to their business.
This is really stupid, and their ways are going to fool people - and they already have. It's too bad that we don't really have any powerful marketing pusher for Linux that can expose the truth... Oh well. Some day.
Obviously games isn't factored into the usage equation, am I right?
Take the only known stats, and look them over. Compare them to Windows...
Rune: 0.37%, if that, were Linux sales. UT2003: less than 1% of people to ever play online were in Linux
And so on...
Most people know that Linux is used extensively on the server side of things, but how is Linux doing on the desktop side? And more specifically, games?
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Both games were mentioned in the article. I liked Space Tripper better, but that's just me.
Both are great games, and yeah, they are worth the money.
hey, sorry about not mentioning Orbz... I looked for the Linux logo on Garage Games, but the only ones that it turned up on were Marble Blast, Torque Engine, and Think Tanks.
;)
I'll spread the word about this game.
Unfortunate that the demo is on fileplanet only... That site sucks.
What about it? I don't see the significance of that....
So then we should reject every FPS game, since we've already got Quake 3 Arena, and every sports game because we've got Stoned, and every racing game because we've got TuxRacer?
Get a grip. Do you want more games for Linux or not? Why is choice bad? Why can we have 80 desktop environments and window managers, but we can only have one RTS game?
I agree. If you want to play all the games that you think you *need* to play so badly, use Windows or Mac or Xbox or whatever it is that they are coming out for. The article wasn't one of these "Linux is everything" and "you must run Linux because it has these games" but rather it was pointing out what is out there, and what will be out there in the future.
I have a Playstation and three Linux computers. I like to know what games will come out for Linux, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, and hence I wrote the article.
> Thanks for the warning. I just used the X on my browser window on your article. No sense keeping the article opened after you're done reading it.
Cold War is one, and I have no clue about the stuff that LGP is porting.
The real example is Sacrifice. It was going to be ported, but then WineX was sorta almost running it so they cancelled it.
You don't think so? I guess we'll find out, won't we? They broke DOS, and they'll break everything else eventually.
The article was about Linux games, not Windows games.
The chances that Transgaming has had to produce native ports have gone to shit. The Sims and Kohan are WineX-based crap. I've compared their Kohan against Loki's Kohan, and Loki's doesn't crash, it's faster, smoother, and the sound doesn't ever get messed up. Not to mention that the Linux version is an actual Linux version, and doesn't require that I connect to the Internet to install or run the game.
Sorry, but I use Linux and Linux software, not Linux and Windows software. If I wanted to run Windows software, I'd just install Windows because it runs a hell of a lot better than Wine and WineX do.
I used to be a subscriber, and I tested over 70 of my Windows games in it. Guess how many actually ran? Seven. Guess how many locked up and forced me to reset my system? The majority. It's not worth it. I don't agree with subscription-based software, for one thing, and I don't agree with Transgaming, for another. They are bad open-source citizens, and they blatantly lied to me when they said that after a certain number of subscribers, they would release their source code to Wine. I don't care what excuses anyone makes for Transgaming; the fact is that they said it, and now they don't.
They also lied when they said that they won't be testing games that are being ported natively... Medal of Honor is being ported to Linux right now, just as my article says, and yet Transgaming brags about how it runs in WineX. I can't count the number of people that run Quake 3 Arena in WineX... I've talked to them myself, so I KNOW that it's true. I just don't understand this.
Furthermore, WineX hurts Linux's chances of getting native ports. Aside from the Sacrifice port which they killed, they are creating a Linux gaming community that relies on Windows and Windows software... Transgaming is always a few steps behind Windows, and always will be. What happens in a few years from now, when WineX is good enough that it can run a lot of games, and then Microsoft sues Transgaming? They aren't loyal to Linux at all - look at Gav's track record. Does Corel support Linux anymore? No. Will Transgaming? No. They simply saw a potential for cash, and they stepped in. That's all this is. What if Microsoft changes their architecture so much that Wine and WineX are rendered useless with new software? They have to start all over... And what will become of those "hardcore gamer" Linux users? They'll crawl back to Windows on their knees. And if you don't agree that one of these scenarios will happen, then you can't deny that it will hurt or kill LGP. Linux users are NOT loyal to Linux - ask what was Tribsoft or someone from Hyperion, two companies who stopped porting to Linux because so-called Linux users are too fucking cheap to buy native games, and they'd rather buy the 20-discount bin Windows versions and then use WineX or dual-boot. At least Amiga and Mac users are loyal to their operating system. They don't buy Windows software at all. They buy software for their platform. Hell, the majority of Linux users don't even pay for their distro. Hyperion has a deal now, but if they will port to Linux remains to be seen.
The future of Linux gaming is NOT bright when you keep getting bombarded with emails and comments about WineX and playing Windows games in Linux.
When we can run Windows games on Linux, there is no need for native ports. It's a sad, sad day. I'm very glad I bought a Playstation, because I can't see Linux gaming surviving much longer.
because Mac users have been playing Neverwinter Nights and UT2003 for months and us Linux users have been waiting for so long... Oh, wait...
Let's hear all the complaints about how I didn't list any free games or WineX or anything.
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I have my mouse over the X of my browser window so I can close it any second now.
Oh yeah, and I forgot RTCW, my favorite Linux game, don't know how I did that.
"This could have fit in with yesterday's April Fool's stories..."
No it couldn't have. This is believable.
For one thing, Germany is not France, and two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about politics, it's about a fucking Linux distro.
For another thing, Mandrake can do what they want with their product. It's pretty sad that you want to be a freeloading bastard with no respect to the people who worked to produce the software that YOU use. Your post raised only the point that people are cheap, pathetic, and ungrateful. Congratulations.
I still disagree. You can learn Linux on any distro, so long as you WANT to learn. It's a personal choice. If someone doesn't want to learn, they won't.
How are you going to learn how to use Debian if you can't get it installed? Most Linux users don't have any friends, never mind friends that can come over to their place and teach them how to install a distro.
That said, it is worth noting that you CAN learn a hell of a lot using Mandrake. I used it for just under a year as my primary OS before ditching Windows, and just over a year before switching to Debian. The install was fine, but trying to get my devices working, bootloader booting, and things like that would have forced me to reinstall Windows had I not learned such things under Mandrake.
If you think that Mandrake is without problems, then you surely haven't used it. And even if it did everything perfectly, it wouldn't matter since most people would rather install their OS and be using it an hour later, not recompiling crap or trying to make their mouse work.
It is a sad day when people put down an operating system because it "just works."
And to not purchase it, you are stabbing one of the major Linux distro makers in the back. Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government, just as I have no control over my government. I voted for the Alliance party, but they didn't get in because of the other people in my country... Mandrake has nothing to do with politics, and to draw that relationship is very immature and stupid.
It's not difficult, but it's less portable.
Or something.
Don't ask me, I know about as much as you do about game development.
wget ftp://alienhazard:isgay@punkrocker.servehttp.com/n wn-linux-patch1.29.zip
PLEASE MIRROR THAT FILE... I would if I could.
wget http://icculus.org/~dolson/files/patch.key
Dunno why they left patch.key out of the zip file.
They've claimed that they like BSD, just not Linux's GPL... Soooo... why don't they just use the BSD License?
Oh, because it would be detrimental to their business.
This is really stupid, and their ways are going to fool people - and they already have. It's too bad that we don't really have any powerful marketing pusher for Linux that can expose the truth... Oh well. Some day.
Obviously games isn't factored into the usage equation, am I right?
Take the only known stats, and look them over. Compare them to Windows...
Rune: 0.37%, if that, were Linux sales.
UT2003: less than 1% of people to ever play online were in Linux
And so on...
Most people know that Linux is used extensively on the server side of things, but how is Linux doing on the desktop side? And more specifically, games?
Uh, excuse me?
You are the United States of America, and we are the Canadian States of America.
We aren't one State, we are many.
Copied? or bought?
nah, that's ok. I'll stick with Debian. I've got a slightly dated CVS version of XFree86 installed, and that's fine for now.
;)
I'm not complaining. I like Debian's policy as far as how new software gets introduced. Actually, I'm surprised at how quickly KDE 3.1 got into Sid.
No Gentoo here. I decided long ago that it's only for elitist jerks. Debian is way different.
in the file ~/.Xresources, put a line like this:
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/
Xcursor.theme: bleu_rainn
where bleu_rainn is the name of your cursor set you want to use.
Cursor sets are in