This is by far the most egregious intentional hobbling of a standard by retarded people (the W3C). Ever since they deprecated the elements (and to a lesser extent: ) in a Markup Language, I have lost faith in their ability to properly evolve a standard.
See the HTML 4.0 recommendation. I literally hit something when I first read this back in '97 (yes, I sometimes read standards documents and RFC's for fun:^). It's also referenced in the original ('97) release.
The DIR element was designed to be used for creating multicolumn directory lists. The MENU element was designed to be used for single column menu lists. Both elements have the same structure as UL, just different rendering. In practice, a user agent will render a DIR or MENU list exactly as a UL list.
We strongly recommend using UL instead of these elements.
Remember that HTML is a markup language, and see above where the W3C intentionally took away contextual information from the document.
99% of websites on the planet have something you could consider a "menu", or "tabs" of some kind. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a particular tag for that, like "<menu>"? (we do... or we did).
Nowadays, lots of people are linking to other people (a <dir>ectory) of people with blogrolls, wouldn't it be nice to wrap those in a <dir> list and style them separately, without using arbitrary <ul class="blah"> tags? Or perhaps a list of files available for download (<dir>), or a list of (perhaps) emails in a web mailing client.
Not that there's anything preventing use of ad-hoc class tags to achieve the same effect, but there is semantic information (especially in <menu>) that can be put to good use when standardized like this. Everybody complains about screen-readers, wrap / auto-skip anything in a menu tag. Make a special button that pops up (or reads) anything in a <menu>. Grr. The web could have been just a tiny bit better without that move by the W3C.
See sage for an RSS reader built-in to mozilla (well, via extension). I prefer it 1000% over the integrated "live bookmarks" (dumb dumb dumb). Sage allows you to bookmark an RSS feed (or now, one of those goofy "Live Bookmarks" in a particular folder, then it does all the normal RSS stuff on top of that.
Get a mac and you'll have an option for PDF printing included by default.;^)
Record all the "Quizmaster questions" in advance as separate video clips (possibly even refer to the video clips locally as "file:///cdrom/r1q1.mpg"). Wire up some HTML and javascript to let people answer / buzz in. Keep a running frame on the left-hand side to show the scores at the different pubs, etc, with the computer-jockeys at each location trying to keep the rounds / questions reasonably in-sync.
Have a running frame on the right-hand side showing 30s webcam shots of each of the pubs. Center frame would be questions, answers, current pub's score (central "Quiz Server" holds scoring / answers? Maybe repurpose some PHP polling software).
Mockup:
[[[ascii art removed because lameness filter is lame]]]
It's possible, but lots of manual labor. If you're looking for a non-multiple choice stuff then look at getting a three-way call going between the locations, use (for example) apple quick-time streaming / broadcasting (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/broadcast er/) for the outgoing video / audio feed, and have each pub have a different type of noisemaker (cowbell, whistle, etc) in order to "buzz in" with a distinct sound so the quizmaster can recognize them.
Verify it works before you have 50-100 angry beer-swilling patrons at your throat, and good luck, I have a feeling you'll need it.
We've got that ~problem~ at work too. Usually it's games.slashdot.org. Just chop off the "games." part and you can usually read the story. Also you can surf over to www.mirrordot.org for the links, which are cached, etc. and will generally be non-blocked.
Haven't you heard of notepad.exe, or vim? If you're worried about accessing it from anywhere, get a hosting plan, stuff in a wiki and password protect it. Not rocket science.:^)
"goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o"... is too long a word. Try using a shorter word.
$ gpg --verify test.txt gpg: Signature made Thu Dec 9 21:33:59 2004 CST using DSA key ID E01D9E42 gpg: Good signature from "David Lee Lambert (born May 1979 in California) [lamber45@cse.msu.edu]"
Most people don't know / care enough to have an informed opinion on the subject. Plus, would you rather have AOL/Yahoo! manage your public / private keys, or have "c:\program files\PrivateKeys" be snarfed by every spyware / virus program on the planet?
And it's not about having encrypted webmail, it's about AOL / Yahoo! providing *identity services* through the use of symmetric encryption and challenge / response. All the identity services we have nowadays are one-way. By adding in the symmetric portion, instead of slashdot -taking- my password, slashdot can -give me- something that only I should be able to decode.
PGP will come, but will meet strong resistance from "important people" along the way. It's really not that hard, get AOL, Yahoo! Mail, and GMail to automatically create public/private keys, publish, store, archive, sign, etc. all your email when using their web interface.
*YOU* don't ever need to know that the email has been encrypted, or that you even have a public/private key. You could even do something ridiculously small, like a 24 bit key or something to keep "gub'ment" happy.
The next step is adding a button in "mail options" to upload YOUR OWN PUBLIC KEY. Yahoo! (eg) receives it, sends you a challenge, and says: "decrypt this message, type in the 8-letter token that's in there, and we'll accept and advertise your new public key as yours, and expire the old auto-generated one". If you wanted to trust yahoo with your private key, that's your own business. But even neglecting the use of personal public keys and sticking with auto-generated ones, by hitting the major's you'd have 20-30% market saturation of encrypted emails, and the infrastructure to support future uses of public/private key stuff.
Eventually one of the majors will realize that "all identity problems go away" when there is a broadly available public/private key infrastructure.
Imagine typing your email address into slashdot, slashdot fetches your public key [in background], issues your browser a challenge, browser decrypts challenge with private key and responds. Viola. Passwordless logins everywhere. Who out there is listening? 80% of the infrastructure is in place already. (moz-plugin: gpg-challenge-response)?
It has a non-animated version of clippy, thus you will automatically impress the people you are showing this to.:^)
Actually, support is very solid. There are slight quirkisms (slightly different line-wrappings if fonts arent found, some UI choices are slightly different), but some important elements to your pitch must be:
1- if you need windows and office we can still install it
2- default config should be windows + openoffice
3- some groups can use linux + openoffice + evolution...if your organization is of any substantial size (more than 20), you have to check your advocacy at the door and recognize the practicalities.
Windows you practically get for free, and having that safety net of "oh, and if it doesn't work, you can just grab a copy of Office and install that", is a great business advantage. Once your company realizes:
a- most people don't need all of Office
b- ideally you get less support calls from the linux people
c- when the next upgrade cycle rolls around, by switching to linux you avoid costs of upgrading both hardware and software...you now have a great migration path over to linux. If you can get some insiders in the IT group (ie: to pave the way by making cross-platform compatible choices for infrastructure), then it could end up being a pretty straightforward switchover.
Best of luck, and don't try to tackle it all at the same time.
Remember, we are living in a disposable society (Cars. Computers. Etc.). There is far more good media (as in "stuff to see, listen, read") than anyone has time to consume, even if you just go to the public domain (ie; project gutenberg).
To some extent, this unplanned obsolescence of media (the carrier of information) such as VHS->DVD, Cassette->CD->MP3/AAC/WMA has given the media conglomorates more opportunities to (re)sell all of their Beatles and Pink-Floyd catalogs.
Now, if you can guarantee the obsolence of your media (accidentally!, and even making environmentalists happy while doing it), and put that decay beyond the event-horizon of the average purchaser (increasingly easy to do), you've got a recurring revenue stream. That's one reason why I ripped all my CD's to OGG (not MP3), and am not buying anything from iTunes.
1- OGG specification and all tools are completely public domain
2- I trust CD media less than copies of my music on two separate hard-drives.
3- No DRM (I didn't put it there), and I can always go from OGG->WAV in the worst-case scenario (I ripped at reasonably high quality (-q7=~220kbps), so I wouldn't even feel too bad transcoding them to 128kbps MP3 if I wanted to).
What it points to is: The right to maintain current, known-good backups must be protected, and YOU store YOUR data in an open, known-good, future-proof format (OGG, RTF, HTML, JPG/PNG,.tgz, PGP), and damn everyone else to the hell that they're (un)knowingly getting themselves into.
I like writing a chess game... there are sufficient enough ways to implement a two-player (human) game, and enough corner cases that it's an interesting problem with well-defined rules. Have fun!
Bzzt. Try again. I did not RTFA, but I've had a BT848 Hauppauge WinTV card in my linux box for 5+ years now. Works great, compatible with anything that goes to composite video in (old video cameras, cheezeball "spy" cameras, CCD's, etc), or get yourself a $19.99 webcam that's linux compatible.
Go here: http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=VID for all the equipment you'd need to set something like this up, for under $50. I played with motion (motion.sf.net) about 2-3 years ago. Didn't ever do anything useful with it, but it was fun to play with, I can only imagine that it (and others) have gotten better in the 3+ years since I've used it.
If you already have a PC running linux and a compatible webcam (esp. in a shared / dorm environment) there's no reason not to have something like this set up. *That's* the beauty of it. Of course it's possible, but now it's *cheap* and possible, plus you can hack the source to make it do what you want, or script on top of it.:^)
I started using Linux 5 years ago (hello Mozilla M12:^). This was -just- before the internet went to hell with email viruses, worms, spyware, etc. I've just recently bought a Mac laptop (so quiet!:^), and a big factor was that I don't want to deal with windows (ever. except at work, where they do the whole managed deployment things).
Basically: as difficult as it is to work with Linux (even Debian unstable. Vis: Wireless USB thingies, USB thingies in general, Kernel 2.6 upgrade + CDRom burning, etc), that pain is reduced 999x over by not having to run Ad-aware ever 2 hours, and not having to worry about patching the bug of the month that allows remote-root worms. At work I admin a little Debian-stable server because our IT/Unix department is mostly l4me, and have it set up to cron @daily apt-get "search for security updates" and email to our group. Get about 1-2 every other month, and that's with Known, Old software (provably more secure after every security bugfix). I can't imagine running windows for anything important. It's like being in middle-school with a big "Kick Me" sign taped to your ass.
Call it BSD-licensed by author, and sharing back is encouraged (of course). I downloaded all my mail from yahoo account (2 wks before they upped it to 100mb) and stuffed it in a directory so I could search it better. I have to agree that namazu rocks.:^)
Major operations are "create, update" for working with the index, then "search, list, file" for searching. "Search" does the google thing, "list" will list out the filenames (like for further processing), and "file" will dump the contents of each search result (ie: for further grepping)
$ ~/bin/index.sh search something
....snip...
3. Fwd: Re: get-edid... "something special happened":^) (score: 18) Author: Robert Ames Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Branden Had a minor buglet that I forwarded to upstream regarding "read-edid" (probably
a hardware database out of date thing, no worries). Anyway, I mentioned to him that I was confused at first by /home/rames/email/test/Sent/Fwd_ Re_ get-edid___ _something special happened_ _^).eml (3,335 bytes)
$ ~/bin/index.sh list something
/home/rames/email/test/Subscriptions/Signature Confirmation - Petition to ignore the _R ename _The Two Towers_ to Something Less Offensive Petition_ - 191.eml /home/rames/email/test/Inbox/Being Twenty-Something.eml /home/rames/email/test/Sent/Fwd_ Re_ get-edid___ _something special happened_ _^).eml
I wish I had a reference, but that's how l33t speak started. "In the beginning..." BBS's would filter posts that contained certain words. Therefore, s/e/3/, s/i/1/, etc. So "ig-pay atin-lay" might be what the chinese turn to in order to get around this.
Hey, if you're already training Neeraj, Ravu, and Dilpreet as your replacements, you might as well make the end run, play some football, and go for the Hail Mary of the U.S. legal system and jury awards.:^)
I picked it up when I started college, and love it to death. Size of a palm pilot (fits in pocket), really sensibly laid out. You fill in the dates on a week-to-week basis, and it's basically a grid for the week (close up here), with an area at the top for lists, notes, etc.
Buy one. It's like $10 after shipping, and super-easy to get in the habit of using.
I've been a mail plus subscriber for a while now (used to be 6mb, then got tired of deleting all my old messages). This was waaaay before google / gmail was even a twinkle in somebody's eye. Since then, yahoo has tended to treat their paying mail customers right. They were this first with baysian filtering (for paying customers), have this neat thing called "address guard" where you can have up to 500 address-something@yahoo.com, (-something is configgable), etc. (see antispam.yahoo.com for info).
They may not be "first to the party", but I just got decked out with 2gb of email space, now if only their search functionality wasn't blindingly slow (at least it used to be, across my 25mb mail store that I *just* downloaded and removed from their servers).
Slashdot Mirror
See the HTML 4.0 recommendation. I literally hit something when I first read this back in '97 (yes, I sometimes read standards documents and RFC's for fun
Remember that HTML is a markup language, and see above where the W3C intentionally took away contextual information from the document.
Keep in mind this was *after* the release of CSS1 (Cascading Style Sheets, level 1 W3C Recommendation 17 Dec 1996 vs. HTML 4.0 Specification W3C Recommendation 18-Dec-1997)
99% of websites on the planet have something you could consider a "menu", or "tabs" of some kind. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a particular tag for that, like "<menu>"? (we do
Nowadays, lots of people are linking to other people (a <dir>ectory) of people with blogrolls, wouldn't it be nice to wrap those in a <dir> list and style them separately, without using arbitrary <ul class="blah"> tags? Or perhaps a list of files available for download (<dir>), or a list of (perhaps) emails in a web mailing client.
Not that there's anything preventing use of ad-hoc class tags to achieve the same effect, but there is semantic information (especially in <menu>) that can be put to good use when standardized like this. Everybody complains about screen-readers, wrap / auto-skip anything in a menu tag. Make a special button that pops up (or reads) anything in a <menu>. Grr. The web could have been just a tiny bit better without that move by the W3C.
--Robert
See sage for an RSS reader built-in to mozilla (well, via extension). I prefer it 1000% over the integrated "live bookmarks" (dumb dumb dumb). Sage allows you to bookmark an RSS feed (or now, one of those goofy "Live Bookmarks" in a particular folder, then it does all the normal RSS stuff on top of that.
;^)
:^)
Get a mac and you'll have an option for PDF printing included by default.
Ok, two down... whose next.
--Robert
See flashblock for a similar solution to problem #2.
--Robert
Have a running frame on the right-hand side showing 30s webcam shots of each of the pubs. Center frame would be questions, answers, current pub's score (central "Quiz Server" holds scoring / answers? Maybe repurpose some PHP polling software).
Mockup: It's possible, but lots of manual labor. If you're looking for a non-multiple choice stuff then look at getting a three-way call going between the locations, use (for example) apple quick-time streaming / broadcasting (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/broadcas
Verify it works before you have 50-100 angry beer-swilling patrons at your throat, and good luck, I have a feeling you'll need it.
--Robert
...and never surrender! By Grabthar's hammer, he shall be avenged!
--Robert
We've got that ~problem~ at work too. Usually it's games.slashdot.org. Just chop off the "games." part and you can usually read the story. Also you can surf over to www.mirrordot.org for the links, which are cached, etc. and will generally be non-blocked.
--Robert
Haven't you heard of notepad.exe, or vim? If you're worried about accessing it from anywhere, get a hosting plan, stuff in a wiki and password protect it. Not rocket science. :^)
--Robert
"goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o"... is too long a word. Try using a shorter word.
:^)
your point?
--Robert
(slow down there cowboy!)
That's pretty cool...
--Robert
$ gpg --verify test.txt
gpg: Signature made Thu Dec 9 21:33:59 2004 CST using DSA key ID E01D9E42
gpg: Good signature from "David Lee Lambert (born May 1979 in California) [lamber45@cse.msu.edu]"
Most people don't know / care enough to have an informed opinion on the subject. Plus, would you rather have AOL/Yahoo! manage your public / private keys, or have "c:\program files\PrivateKeys" be snarfed by every spyware / virus program on the planet?
And it's not about having encrypted webmail, it's about AOL / Yahoo! providing *identity services* through the use of symmetric encryption and challenge / response. All the identity services we have nowadays are one-way. By adding in the symmetric portion, instead of slashdot -taking- my password, slashdot can -give me- something that only I should be able to decode.
--Robert
PGP will come, but will meet strong resistance from "important people" along the way. It's really not that hard, get AOL, Yahoo! Mail, and GMail to automatically create public/private keys, publish, store, archive, sign, etc. all your email when using their web interface.
*YOU* don't ever need to know that the email has been encrypted, or that you even have a public/private key. You could even do something ridiculously small, like a 24 bit key or something to keep "gub'ment" happy.
The next step is adding a button in "mail options" to upload YOUR OWN PUBLIC KEY. Yahoo! (eg) receives it, sends you a challenge, and says: "decrypt this message, type in the 8-letter token that's in there, and we'll accept and advertise your new public key as yours, and expire the old auto-generated one". If you wanted to trust yahoo with your private key, that's your own business. But even neglecting the use of personal public keys and sticking with auto-generated ones, by hitting the major's you'd have 20-30% market saturation of encrypted emails, and the infrastructure to support future uses of public/private key stuff.
Eventually one of the majors will realize that "all identity problems go away" when there is a broadly available public/private key infrastructure.
Imagine typing your email address into slashdot, slashdot fetches your public key [in background], issues your browser a challenge, browser decrypts challenge with private key and responds. Viola. Passwordless logins everywhere. Who out there is listening? 80% of the infrastructure is in place already. (moz-plugin: gpg-challenge-response)?
--Robert
Yup, and I hate lawyers! :^)
--Robert
It has a non-animated version of clippy, thus you will automatically impress the people you are showing this to. :^)
...if your organization is of any substantial size (more than 20), you have to check your advocacy at the door and recognize the practicalities.
...you now have a great migration path over to linux. If you can get some insiders in the IT group (ie: to pave the way by making cross-platform compatible choices for infrastructure), then it could end up being a pretty straightforward switchover.
Actually, support is very solid. There are slight quirkisms (slightly different line-wrappings if fonts arent found, some UI choices are slightly different), but some important elements to your pitch must be:
1- if you need windows and office we can still install it
2- default config should be windows + openoffice
3- some groups can use linux + openoffice + evolution
Windows you practically get for free, and having that safety net of "oh, and if it doesn't work, you can just grab a copy of Office and install that", is a great business advantage. Once your company realizes:
a- most people don't need all of Office
b- ideally you get less support calls from the linux people
c- when the next upgrade cycle rolls around, by switching to linux you avoid costs of upgrading both hardware and software
Best of luck, and don't try to tackle it all at the same time.
--Robert
StumbleUpon.com ... you can thank me (or demonize me!) later. :^)
--Robert
Remember, we are living in a disposable society (Cars. Computers. Etc.). There is far more good media (as in "stuff to see, listen, read") than anyone has time to consume, even if you just go to the public domain (ie; project gutenberg).
.tgz, PGP), and damn everyone else to the hell that they're (un)knowingly getting themselves into.
To some extent, this unplanned obsolescence of media (the carrier of information) such as VHS->DVD, Cassette->CD->MP3/AAC/WMA has given the media conglomorates more opportunities to (re)sell all of their Beatles and Pink-Floyd catalogs.
Now, if you can guarantee the obsolence of your media (accidentally!, and even making environmentalists happy while doing it), and put that decay beyond the event-horizon of the average purchaser (increasingly easy to do), you've got a recurring revenue stream. That's one reason why I ripped all my CD's to OGG (not MP3), and am not buying anything from iTunes.
1- OGG specification and all tools are completely public domain
2- I trust CD media less than copies of my music on two separate hard-drives.
3- No DRM (I didn't put it there), and I can always go from OGG->WAV in the worst-case scenario (I ripped at reasonably high quality (-q7=~220kbps), so I wouldn't even feel too bad transcoding them to 128kbps MP3 if I wanted to).
What it points to is: The right to maintain current, known-good backups must be protected, and YOU store YOUR data in an open, known-good, future-proof format (OGG, RTF, HTML, JPG/PNG,
--Robert
I like writing a chess game... there are sufficient enough ways to implement a two-player (human) game, and enough corner cases that it's an interesting problem with well-defined rules. Have fun!
--Robert
Bzzt. Try again. I did not RTFA, but I've had a BT848 Hauppauge WinTV card in my linux box for 5+ years now. Works great, compatible with anything that goes to composite video in (old video cameras, cheezeball "spy" cameras, CCD's, etc), or get yourself a $19.99 webcam that's linux compatible.
:^)
Go here: http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=VID for all the equipment you'd need to set something like this up, for under $50. I played with motion (motion.sf.net) about 2-3 years ago. Didn't ever do anything useful with it, but it was fun to play with, I can only imagine that it (and others) have gotten better in the 3+ years since I've used it.
If you already have a PC running linux and a compatible webcam (esp. in a shared / dorm environment) there's no reason not to have something like this set up. *That's* the beauty of it. Of course it's possible, but now it's *cheap* and possible, plus you can hack the source to make it do what you want, or script on top of it.
--Robert
I started using Linux 5 years ago (hello Mozilla M12 :^). This was -just- before the internet went to hell with email viruses, worms, spyware, etc. I've just recently bought a Mac laptop (so quiet! :^), and a big factor was that I don't want to deal with windows (ever. except at work, where they do the whole managed deployment things).
Basically: as difficult as it is to work with Linux (even Debian unstable. Vis: Wireless USB thingies, USB thingies in general, Kernel 2.6 upgrade + CDRom burning, etc), that pain is reduced 999x over by not having to run Ad-aware ever 2 hours, and not having to worry about patching the bug of the month that allows remote-root worms. At work I admin a little Debian-stable server because our IT/Unix department is mostly l4me, and have it set up to cron @daily apt-get "search for security updates" and email to our group. Get about 1-2 every other month, and that's with Known, Old software (provably more secure after every security bugfix). I can't imagine running windows for anything important. It's like being in middle-school with a big "Kick Me" sign taped to your ass.
--Robert
http://www.robertames.com/index.sh.txt
Call it BSD-licensed by author, and sharing back is encouraged (of course). I downloaded all my mail from yahoo account (2 wks before they upped it to 100mb) and stuffed it in a directory so I could search it better. I have to agree that namazu rocks. :^)
Major operations are "create, update" for working with the index, then "search, list, file" for searching. "Search" does the google thing, "list" will list out the filenames (like for further processing), and "file" will dump the contents of each search result (ie: for further grepping)
$ ~/bin/index.sh search something
....snip...
3. Fwd: Re: get-edid... "something special happened" :^) (score: 18)
/home/rames/email/test/Sent/Fwd_ Re_ get-edid___ _something special happened_ _^).eml (3,335 bytes)
Author: Robert Ames
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
Branden Had a minor buglet that I forwarded to upstream regarding "read-edid" (probably
a hardware database out of date thing, no worries). Anyway, I mentioned to him that I
was confused at first by
$ ~/bin/index.sh list something
/home/rames/email/test/Subscriptions/Signature Confirmation - Petition to ignore the _R
/home/rames/email/test/Inbox/Being Twenty-Something.eml
/home/rames/email/test/Sent/Fwd_ Re_ get-edid___ _something special happened_ _^).eml
ename _The Two Towers_ to Something Less Offensive Petition_ - 191.eml
...now mod me up! Where's mah karma? :^)
--Robert
I wish I had a reference, but that's how l33t speak started. "In the beginning..." BBS's would filter posts that contained certain words. Therefore, s/e/3/, s/i/1/, etc. So "ig-pay atin-lay" might be what the chinese turn to in order to get around this.
:^)
ould-way ou-yay ike-lay ome-say iagra-vay?
--Robert
Submit this stuff to Kuro5hin, it would be welcomed with open arms (mostly).
Was an interesting read!
--Robert
Hey, if you're already training Neeraj, Ravu, and Dilpreet as your replacements, you might as well make the end run, play some football, and go for the Hail Mary of the U.S. legal system and jury awards. :^)
--Robert
This thing is great: Uncalendar.
I picked it up when I started college, and love it to death. Size of a palm pilot (fits in pocket), really sensibly laid out. You fill in the dates on a week-to-week basis, and it's basically a grid for the week (close up here), with an area at the top for lists, notes, etc.
Buy one. It's like $10 after shipping, and super-easy to get in the habit of using.
--Robert
I've been a mail plus subscriber for a while now (used to be 6mb, then got tired of deleting all my old messages). This was waaaay before google / gmail was even a twinkle in somebody's eye. Since then, yahoo has tended to treat their paying mail customers right. They were this first with baysian filtering (for paying customers), have this neat thing called "address guard" where you can have up to 500 address-something@yahoo.com, (-something is configgable), etc. (see antispam.yahoo.com for info).
They may not be "first to the party", but I just got decked out with 2gb of email space, now if only their search functionality wasn't blindingly slow (at least it used to be, across my 25mb mail store that I *just* downloaded and removed from their servers).
--Robert
Learn Japanese for nerds part 1:7
4
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/26/175722/72
Part 2:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/25/32218/182
--Robert