> They didn't get find for sending spam per > se, they got fined for sending spam with > specific characteristics - specifically > spam with forged headers, no opt-out, and > routed through a bunch of hacked computers.
Yeah, kinda like that guy from "Laberia, Africa"? Heh. I get 2 emails a day trying to get me to help some guy smuggle money out of africa because of some coup in some freaky government.
And why? Because I forgot to take my regular email addy out of my recently setup email account reply to. It just takes one slip and yer screwed.
You're succumbing to the usual error of MS-bashers, which is that you attack the wrong things. If you want to criticise MS's "upgrades", for example, may I suggest attacking the shifts from Win98 to Win98 SE, or from Win98 SE to WinMe? *Those* are the ones that should have been free downloads.
I dunno bubba. One "Vast" upgrade is about the same as any other "Vast" upgrade to me... heh I just don't see Win98 as deserving of being called an upgrade either. IMHO
Heh, I loved TW2002. I played the heck outta that and became ruler of the universe a few times. (Ruler by the fact that no one could come and go without my approval). I had all the starlanes mapped and beconned. Oh well time goes by.
Now it seems that there is another Trade Wars like MMOLRPG called EVE.
Don't know how it plays but I might give it a try.
Linux never said it was finished or perfect - quite the contrary - it says it is forever improving.
Everytime a new MS program is released, they say it's the best thing since sliced bread now upgrade or else!
Oh, and Linux doesn't charge you for upgrades. Can you say Win98? Nothing more than Win95 with an expanded filesystem and a few rinky dink addons? That should have been a simple free download not a much trumpeted "Upgrade".
> It depends on what you consider a Production > machine.
Well, I consider a production machine to be one that is vitally important to the business; for instance, a server that handles important business transactions - a machine that if it goes down then there is an instant loss of revenue. A machine that other machines are dependant upon for day to day business operation.
Under this definition, a user machine designed for web maintenance wouldn't be a production machine - nor would a graphical design machine. Such a machine going down could "Potentially" cost money but not necessarily profit by the minute.
Anyway, I think the driver loader is a good idea and should help with the misperception that you might not be able to get the latest geewizbang gadget available in a non-microsoft OS.
> In general it is not possible to use drivers > under any other OS than the one it was > developed for.
True... in general. However, in Windows, drivers are usually minidrivers (not the actress). What you have is a kernel stub for a major subsystem like block I/O - this stub contains alot of basic functionality that would be duplicated in discreet monolithic drivers - then the minidriver that attaches to the stub provides differentiation for a particular device (it is more a layer than a minidriver really).
Now, in another OS should it not be possible to create the stub and load minidrivers attached to it? Then you would have the functionality of the foreign driver.
For may own part, I think it's a brilliant idea though one that should be rather obvious. Furthermore, I would NEVER RUN THIS FOREIGN DRIVERLOADER ON A PRODUCTION MACHINE!:)
> I wouldn't be surprised if the investment > came from Microsoft. SCO potentially has a > concrete detriment to Linux, as opposed to the > FUD that Microsoft was limited to.
Yep. I figure Microsoft could have leaned on this investment company by saying something like: make us an off-the-record investment in SCO and we'll pump some cash into your company in another area; don't do as we say and we'll pull our capital.
There are many ways such an investment could have been done.
SCO has been around for how many years now? What the heck have they accomplished? Not a whole heckuva lot; essentially a worn out implementation of UNIX.
After all, thier main competitor on the PC platform was MS was it not? With DOS and Windows operating systems being the main competition? Now it seems that they are fighting a battle on the side of their old competitor.
I'm really sick of the whole thing. It bores me. Next issue please!
> I imagine that processors die mainly though > being powered on and off repeatedly, than > being fully used. Same for hard drives I > expect.
I agree. And, anyway, by the time your processor gets burned out, it will be devalued to near zero by obsolesence. Now, I'd have to say that a processor under full load will draw more current than one under idle load. Such billable amounts would be hard to measure though.
The current drain and mechanical breakdown for hard drives is much more probable.
>On the surface your arguement seems valid, here's >the problem with it. Programming is a subject in >itself, there are concepts, languages only >implement those concepts, that's why a CS course >involves learning many languages to illustrate >those concepts.
I agree. For example, there isn't alot of difference between Visual Basic and VB.net. Or ASP and VBA for that matter. You read, you process and you write; the syntax usually changes very little. Yet, you can have years of experience programming in Visual Basic but they wont hire you for VB.net for nothing.
I think I'm gonna take me one of those Dale Carnegie courses... maybe I'll learn to lie or something.
It was pretty fun but mostly the fun was working with other people and chatting.
When you get a good group and it's clicking and folks are joking and having fun... that's what it's all about.
When you see a greedy person or one who is being a jerk, they get ostracized by nearly everyone in the zone.
As for the nerfs, bugs and inattentiveness of the GMs. The nerfs are there to keep balance. The bugs are there because nothing is perfect. The inattentiveness is perceived relative to the personality of the plaintiff.
You have to understand, you are playing an online game - linkdeath happens. It sux but hey... what can you do?
There can't be a GM standing around all the time keeping an eye on folks. Usually, they are quite like judges. If enough folks complain or verify something, then they usually act.
As for the timesink, well you got a point there. It does eat up alot of time.
>Why is MSFT forced to include a piece of software >written by their competitor into their Operating >System ?
Because, Microsoft Windows is not just their operating system. It is the basis for a market and as such there are many other people involved than just Microsoft. If you own a market then you have more responsibilities than if you were just merely a player in a more open market.
Sun, who wants to participate in this market, is having to compete against the OWNER of the market. The OWNER of the market has an unfair advantage in that they can and will build thier competing offering right into the OS to crush Sun. Sun merely wishes to be a player - Microsoft owns the ball.
Hydrogen and other gas density in space, radiation levels and type, gravitational field interaction and levels, survivability of interstellar craft, advance observance of phenomena before same reaches earth (possibly allowing parallax measurements).
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> They didn't get find for sending spam per
> se, they got fined for sending spam with
> specific characteristics - specifically
> spam with forged headers, no opt-out, and
> routed through a bunch of hacked computers.
Yeah, kinda like that guy from "Laberia, Africa"? Heh. I get 2 emails a day trying to get me to help some guy smuggle money out of africa because of some coup in some freaky government.
And why? Because I forgot to take my regular email addy out of my recently setup email account reply to. It just takes one slip and yer screwed.
Oh well. **Polishing my brand new email filters**
> Hmm... I like them being fined, and
> california needs the money, that's for sure.
They'll be back.
They don't HAVE to be yellow... it's just a dang good idea! Submarines sit so low in the water that they make great ramming targets.
Anyway, the color goes well with the song ya know?
I dunno bubba. One "Vast" upgrade is about the same as any other "Vast" upgrade to me... heh
I just don't see Win98 as deserving of being called an upgrade either. IMHO
Heh, I loved TW2002. I played the heck outta that and became ruler of the universe a few times. (Ruler by the fact that no one could come and go without my approval). I had all the starlanes mapped and beconned. Oh well time goes by.
Now it seems that there is another Trade Wars like MMOLRPG called EVE.
Don't know how it plays but I might give it a try.
> and how does Linux 0.99 compare to Linux 2.6
Linux never said it was finished or perfect - quite the contrary - it says it is forever improving.
Everytime a new MS program is released, they say it's the best thing since sliced bread now upgrade or else!
Oh, and Linux doesn't charge you for upgrades. Can you say Win98? Nothing more than Win95 with an expanded filesystem and a few rinky dink addons? That should have been a simple free download not a much trumpeted "Upgrade".
Well, you asked.
It sure sounds logical.
If so then mod it up!
> It depends on what you consider a Production
> machine.
Well, I consider a production machine to be one that is vitally important to the business; for instance, a server that handles important business transactions - a machine that if it goes down then there is an instant loss of revenue. A machine that other machines are dependant upon for day to day business operation.
Under this definition, a user machine designed for web maintenance wouldn't be a production machine - nor would a graphical design machine. Such a machine going down could "Potentially" cost money but not necessarily profit by the minute.
Anyway, I think the driver loader is a good idea and should help with the misperception that you might not be able to get the latest geewizbang gadget available in a non-microsoft OS.
IMNSHO
> In general it is not possible to use drivers
:)
> under any other OS than the one it was
> developed for.
True... in general. However, in Windows, drivers are usually minidrivers (not the actress). What you have is a kernel stub for a major subsystem like block I/O - this stub contains alot of basic functionality that would be duplicated in discreet monolithic drivers - then the minidriver that attaches to the stub provides differentiation for a particular device (it is more a layer than a minidriver really).
Now, in another OS should it not be possible to create the stub and load minidrivers attached to it? Then you would have the functionality of the foreign driver.
For may own part, I think it's a brilliant idea though one that should be rather obvious. Furthermore, I would NEVER RUN THIS FOREIGN DRIVERLOADER ON A PRODUCTION MACHINE!
Hey! I resent that! I'm still using RH 7.2 and it's damn nice I tell you!
:)
Jeez!
> I wouldn't be surprised if the investment
> came from Microsoft. SCO potentially has a
> concrete detriment to Linux, as opposed to the
> FUD that Microsoft was limited to.
Yep. I figure Microsoft could have leaned on this investment company by saying something like: make us an off-the-record investment in SCO and we'll pump some cash into your company in another area; don't do as we say and we'll pull our capital.
There are many ways such an investment could have been done.
SCO has been around for how many years now? What the heck have they accomplished? Not a whole heckuva lot; essentially a worn out implementation of UNIX.
After all, thier main competitor on the PC platform was MS was it not? With DOS and Windows operating systems being the main competition? Now it seems that they are fighting a battle on the side of their old competitor.
I'm really sick of the whole thing. It bores me.
Next issue please!
> I imagine that processors die mainly though
> being powered on and off repeatedly, than
> being fully used. Same for hard drives I
> expect.
I agree. And, anyway, by the time your processor gets burned out, it will be devalued to near zero by obsolesence. Now, I'd have to say that a processor under full load will draw more current than one under idle load. Such billable amounts would be hard to measure though.
The current drain and mechanical breakdown for hard drives is much more probable.
Codifex Maximus
>On the surface your arguement seems valid, here's
>the problem with it. Programming is a subject in
>itself, there are concepts, languages only
>implement those concepts, that's why a CS course
>involves learning many languages to illustrate
>those concepts.
I agree. For example, there isn't alot of difference between Visual Basic and VB.net. Or ASP and VBA for that matter. You read, you process and you write; the syntax usually changes very little. Yet, you can have years of experience programming in Visual Basic but they wont hire you for VB.net for nothing.
I think I'm gonna take me one of those Dale Carnegie courses... maybe I'll learn to lie or something.
>Solvent? When I'm old, I'd be happy to be
:)
>continent!
Not content but continent? I think I could be content if I was continent.
It was pretty fun but mostly the fun was working with other people and chatting.
When you get a good group and it's clicking and folks are joking and having fun... that's what it's all about.
When you see a greedy person or one who is being a jerk, they get ostracized by nearly everyone in the zone.
As for the nerfs, bugs and inattentiveness of the GMs. The nerfs are there to keep balance. The bugs are there because nothing is perfect. The inattentiveness is perceived relative to the personality of the plaintiff.
You have to understand, you are playing an online game - linkdeath happens. It sux but hey... what can you do?
There can't be a GM standing around all the time keeping an eye on folks. Usually, they are quite like judges. If enough folks complain or verify something, then they usually act.
As for the timesink, well you got a point there. It does eat up alot of time.
At least you got to work 6 years. You have some experience and a good degree. As such, you have a good chance at further employment.
Nortel is or was a big company. Alot of folks hoped things would be better for Nortel. Somehow it just didn't work out that way.
I hope Nortel hangs in there. As a company, they are suffering from the same downturn as we all in the tech industry are.
>My company has lost around 10000 customers ever
>since an open source version of our project was
>released.
Add value then. Provide a better solution. Compete! Don't just give up. Geez, what do you wanna be... a monopoly?
Whatever.
>Why is MSFT forced to include a piece of software
>written by their competitor into their Operating
>System ?
Because, Microsoft Windows is not just their operating system. It is the basis for a market and as such there are many other people involved than just Microsoft. If you own a market then you have more responsibilities than if you were just merely a player in a more open market.
Sun, who wants to participate in this market, is having to compete against the OWNER of the market. The OWNER of the market has an unfair advantage in that they can and will build thier competing offering right into the OS to crush Sun. Sun merely wishes to be a player - Microsoft owns the ball.
Get it?
Yeah, but can you still run Locksmith and Castle Wolfenstein?
I loved the floppy drives on those old Apples.
Space Probe: I want to go for a walk... I feel happy! I feel happy!
Meteorite hits it.
NASA: 9 pence.
Hydrogen and other gas density in space, radiation levels and type, gravitational field interaction and levels, survivability of interstellar craft, advance observance of phenomena before same reaches earth (possibly allowing parallax measurements).
Follow the trail of junk... hehe I love it! However, they can already follow the narrow beam signal so that's not a real problem. :)
Codifex Maximus
U.S.A. Third Rock from the Sun.
Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy.
I want my sled back mommy.
>All "loser pays" does is raise the financial bar
>for gaining access to the courts even higher.
You make a very good point. Do corporations in Europe then go scott free and run roughshod over the people there?
Anyone from a country that has loser pays got a comment on this one?