Well, then I applaud you for paying such careful attention to the response from your anonymous post. That's quite a bit of scrolling to do. I didn't mean to call you personally stupid, but was noting that asking for proof of something like that is an excercise in futility. It's quite an abstract concept full of opinion and virtually devoid of fact. Proof is really a concept that doesn't apply to taxonomy, it's pretty subjective.
One thing people seem to miss is that we are as much a part of nature as any other product of it. Nature produced us, and whatever we do to the planet is an effect of that. It's not like we simply blinked into existence outside of the laws of nature, and are now putting garbage we imported from Mars all over the place. The chemistry we do is with earth-borne and earth resident chemicals.
I don't doubt the power of man to obliterate himself, and lots of other organisms, but how can we take less than 10000 years of science (and don't get me wrong science is my passion) and say that we are doing this causing this, or doing that causing that, or even worse, need to do this to cause or prevent this on a geologic time scale? Simple statistics will make us look silly.
Sure, burning fossil fuels emits CO2, and yes, the planet does indeed seem to be warming up a bit, but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there an ice age not to geologically long ago? Was some misguided president to blame for the pollution that warmed the earth up to the balmy temperature at which it currently hangs? That precendence theory of the earth and it's 10000 year cycles must be total bullshit, because we all know that it's all our fault when things aren't perfect with the weather.
Or no, it's our elected officials, because the last four years have been under such aweful leadership that they actually actuated all of the effects of the 'inert' CO2 emmitted during the industrial revolution up to now, because we didn't have a problem until a republican got into the white house.
Perhaps the Brontosaurus caused the destruction of the dinosaurs by polluting the oceans with his massive fecal repositories... I heard the were absolutely frightful when it came to preserving the local foliage, those bastards probably caused some form of prehistoric volcano-owl it's speciel existence...
I don't know exactly what side to take, nor that I really have to take one at all. I do think it's possible that man can do some bad things, but I really don't think that man is responsible for everything that is today construed as the result of our environmentally destructive behavior. Let us remember that nature has never been static or serene... and there was no point at which mankind just came along and wrecked the balance... it's always been adjusting to this disaster or that, and is only a 'balance' when evaluated over a long, long, longer than we have been able to write on cave walls, period of time.
well, being without a crystal ball, I don't think you can assume that faster and more reliable will always be the case for creating documents locally... I mean, maybe it'll be like borrowing your own square on the PiXar rendering farm for a few seconds to grab that next neat presentation...
maybe you're right though, you just never know what's coming down the line.
With today's technology, absolutely, local is good.
how are you planning to get it out? Water employs a pair of Covalent bonds, which take a significant amount of energy to release... Electrolysis works, but that's already using electricity...
I did read it, and in my first line I said, even if they had not cut the funding, NOBODY would have ever imagined that they should build a wall that would withstand 20 foot storm surge. They may have done some things that would have improved things a bit, but it would not have made this into a bike ride.
Also, as for the speed of the response, you can't expect to distribute food and water instantly to a million people when the landscape isn't accessible. Even in the Tsunami releif they didn't have to worry about land being statically flooded, so that was even a better condition for relief. I'd say 4 or 5 days is a good run at it, even though that's unfortunate for those who were on the receiving end.
There just isn't someone to blame for it. The universe wasn't crafted to have people living in it, so theres an example in living color.
Sure, there may have been more money allocated, but I doubt they'd have taken 20 foot storm surge into account in any case. You just don't plan for that sort of thing.
On an only slightly related note, I have a problem in general with giving credit or laying blame at the feet of heads of state for economies, environmental disorders, or even great successes.
Who was president when we started the industrial revolution in the US? Maybe we should blame him for all of our current CO2 problems. What turns out to be "bad" now is only in the aftermath of what we thought was good in another case.
I'm not exactly a Bush fan, but I wouldn't blame him for the economy either. No matter what a president does or says, he cannot create even a single job in say.. the manufacturing sector. He cannot lower gasoline prices. It's not that there is some magic button he just refuses to push, it's just that people like to think that these things are in someone's control. They aren't. Why does the stock market fluctuate? Occasionally because of something someone says, or one company does, but it's a collective thing overall.
By the same token, and on the other hand, the White House, whether we like the guy in it or not, has no business taking credit for a booming economy either.
You can indeed argue with me over one point or another, and on a small time scale, the president can affect things that happen. But overall, let us remember that congress makes the laws (er including social security and environmental policy), the Federal Reserve sets the Prime Rate, and the market determines prices through supply and demand. Unfortunately, there is no single human being who can make all of these things nice and slap happy for all of us, and there never will be.
Well, first of all, in NO, Hurricanes are covered in the Homeowners policy's, normal building insurance, but flood insurance isn't.
Flood insurance is only available through the fed down there, and most people, places, and buildings aren't covered.
If they had actually been damaged by wind or rain that would be different, but they will not be covered.
The reason there is no flood insurance available commerically is because, or so the insurers say (even though we know it's just because they'd have to pay out too often) they don't want to encourage people to build houses and infrastructure in endangered places.
I'm not stating my opinion one way or another, but thems the facts.
Ok, I'm for not going to war just as much as the next guy, but listen, that's ridiculous.
Not everything can be blamed on a head of state.
It's a goddamn natural disater, not a campaign slogan, or lack of funding.
Holy shit.
put quite simply no, you don't. You're using someone else's service - infact, you pay them for it. You could always swim. Your rights end where mine begin, and since I have the right to live, you don't have the right to fly security free. idiot.
You're right... sort of... but you can't ALWAYS be following someone. Once you get into the rhythm of following someone then you're no longer a leader, eventually your customers will pick up on it.
Life is a relative term. We consider ourselves to be alive, and try to find traits about ourselves that other things share in order to classify them as alive. Life, as a concept, is not defined by the universe, it's defined by people. No matter how hard you try to define or quantify it, it's still all a matter of opinion. Because there is no absolute moment when something crosses from being lifeless parts into something that we can call alive.
Self replication, metabolizing, sentience, relative stability, survival enforcement, all of these are just defined for a limited time period... we can say that a nuclear chain reaction, with the exception of sentience, meets these criteria, but since it happens so fast (on a time scale relative to ourselves, which we "know" to be alive) we say it's not alive, because it doesn't match the criteria we have set as a baseline -- which is ourselves. What makes our particular time scale so important?
By the way, I'm not a hippy, and I don't sympathize with hippies.
I'm not saying that we should consider everything to be alive, I'm just saying that this hunting for the definition of life is an excercise in futility, because we invented the concept.
Point taken, but I think that most illegals are paid under the table, or they wouldn't be able to stick around... they would show up on the authorities radar sometime if they actually paid taxes but didn't have the proper info..
I'm not talking about foreigners who are working in the US, I'm talking about illegals, who are hiding from the government living on under the table payments. I can't see how they can expect to benefit from the law if they don't have regard enough to follow it to begin with and apply legally for citizenship.
I wouldn't dream of saying that they're more likely to commit other crimes, I just don't want them getting away with not paying taxes, and that includes every single tax that we have to pay. If they get out of even one tiny little social security deduction then I'm upset. They should have jump through the same hoops that us good citizens have to. This under the table crap IS more common when employing illegals, and that's not debatable.
hey, it posted my reply with the wrong parent (see above) I was replying to the one about the poor huddled and such, and it posted it under it's parent. After my submission, it displayed the correct parent, but in the static page, it's wrong. Bug?
how so? the popup blocker? the firewall? (which works by EXE name???) The canary on the stack that is disabled by default? I fail to see any real benefits of SP2 other than allowing for long strings in the GPO Explain strings.. It also breaks a lot of things that aren't even related to the firewall.
It's an attempt at fixing things, but I don't think it's worth it's weight in sand unless you're already technical enough to know how to configure your system with all of the features it provides (Which if you are, then you most likely had your own firewall and popup blocker software and were running mozilla to begin with.)
For the general populace whom this SP2 is meant to protect, it just appears to break things, and offer annoying warnings to which they can, and do, check "Never tell me this again."
agreed. I think that's the issue that will make or break this concept. Then again, microsoft doesn't ask your permission to install XP sp2 anymore like they used to.. unless you don't want any more updates in the future..
well I stand corrected. I was until recently a working american musician. I guess things are differnt. We weren't involved with the RIAA, but we sold our discs off the back of our truck. We sold 3000 copies and then, when we printed more, we couldnt sell anymore because everyone who came see us either had burned it or bought it... That sucked, but obviously it was good that people liked our music... we just couldn't afford to make any more.
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Well, then I applaud you for paying such careful attention to the response from your anonymous post. That's quite a bit of scrolling to do. I didn't mean to call you personally stupid, but was noting that asking for proof of something like that is an excercise in futility. It's quite an abstract concept full of opinion and virtually devoid of fact. Proof is really a concept that doesn't apply to taxonomy, it's pretty subjective.
I don't doubt the power of man to obliterate himself, and lots of other organisms, but how can we take less than 10000 years of science (and don't get me wrong science is my passion) and say that we are doing this causing this, or doing that causing that, or even worse, need to do this to cause or prevent this on a geologic time scale? Simple statistics will make us look silly.
Sure, burning fossil fuels emits CO2, and yes, the planet does indeed seem to be warming up a bit, but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there an ice age not to geologically long ago? Was some misguided president to blame for the pollution that warmed the earth up to the balmy temperature at which it currently hangs? That precendence theory of the earth and it's 10000 year cycles must be total bullshit, because we all know that it's all our fault when things aren't perfect with the weather.
Or no, it's our elected officials, because the last four years have been under such aweful leadership that they actually actuated all of the effects of the 'inert' CO2 emmitted during the industrial revolution up to now, because we didn't have a problem until a republican got into the white house.
Perhaps the Brontosaurus caused the destruction of the dinosaurs by polluting the oceans with his massive fecal repositories... I heard the were absolutely frightful when it came to preserving the local foliage, those bastards probably caused some form of prehistoric volcano-owl it's speciel existence...
I don't know exactly what side to take, nor that I really have to take one at all. I do think it's possible that man can do some bad things, but I really don't think that man is responsible for everything that is today construed as the result of our environmentally destructive behavior. Let us remember that nature has never been static or serene... and there was no point at which mankind just came along and wrecked the balance... it's always been adjusting to this disaster or that, and is only a 'balance' when evaluated over a long, long, longer than we have been able to write on cave walls, period of time.
haha, exact religion. nice touch.
Can you prove to me that you're not a script? Stupid
no you're right. That's basically the whole point of this thread.
well, being without a crystal ball, I don't think you can assume that faster and more reliable will always be the case for creating documents locally... I mean, maybe it'll be like borrowing your own square on the PiXar rendering farm for a few seconds to grab that next neat presentation... maybe you're right though, you just never know what's coming down the line. With today's technology, absolutely, local is good.
how are you planning to get it out? Water employs a pair of Covalent bonds, which take a significant amount of energy to release... Electrolysis works, but that's already using electricity...
Also, as for the speed of the response, you can't expect to distribute food and water instantly to a million people when the landscape isn't accessible. Even in the Tsunami releif they didn't have to worry about land being statically flooded, so that was even a better condition for relief. I'd say 4 or 5 days is a good run at it, even though that's unfortunate for those who were on the receiving end.
There just isn't someone to blame for it. The universe wasn't crafted to have people living in it, so theres an example in living color.On an only slightly related note, I have a problem in general with giving credit or laying blame at the feet of heads of state for economies, environmental disorders, or even great successes.
Who was president when we started the industrial revolution in the US? Maybe we should blame him for all of our current CO2 problems. What turns out to be "bad" now is only in the aftermath of what we thought was good in another case.
I'm not exactly a Bush fan, but I wouldn't blame him for the economy either. No matter what a president does or says, he cannot create even a single job in say.. the manufacturing sector. He cannot lower gasoline prices. It's not that there is some magic button he just refuses to push, it's just that people like to think that these things are in someone's control. They aren't. Why does the stock market fluctuate? Occasionally because of something someone says, or one company does, but it's a collective thing overall.
By the same token, and on the other hand, the White House, whether we like the guy in it or not, has no business taking credit for a booming economy either.
You can indeed argue with me over one point or another, and on a small time scale, the president can affect things that happen. But overall, let us remember that congress makes the laws (er including social security and environmental policy), the Federal Reserve sets the Prime Rate, and the market determines prices through supply and demand. Unfortunately, there is no single human being who can make all of these things nice and slap happy for all of us, and there never will be.What about computer viruses?
Well, first of all, in NO, Hurricanes are covered in the Homeowners policy's, normal building insurance, but flood insurance isn't. Flood insurance is only available through the fed down there, and most people, places, and buildings aren't covered. If they had actually been damaged by wind or rain that would be different, but they will not be covered. The reason there is no flood insurance available commerically is because, or so the insurers say (even though we know it's just because they'd have to pay out too often) they don't want to encourage people to build houses and infrastructure in endangered places. I'm not stating my opinion one way or another, but thems the facts.
Ok, I'm for not going to war just as much as the next guy, but listen, that's ridiculous. Not everything can be blamed on a head of state. It's a goddamn natural disater, not a campaign slogan, or lack of funding. Holy shit.
I think you missed the joke. I thought it was funny.
put quite simply no, you don't. You're using someone else's service - infact, you pay them for it. You could always swim. Your rights end where mine begin, and since I have the right to live, you don't have the right to fly security free. idiot.
You're right... sort of... but you can't ALWAYS be following someone. Once you get into the rhythm of following someone then you're no longer a leader, eventually your customers will pick up on it.
Life is a relative term. We consider ourselves to be alive, and try to find traits about ourselves that other things share in order to classify them as alive. Life, as a concept, is not defined by the universe, it's defined by people. No matter how hard you try to define or quantify it, it's still all a matter of opinion. Because there is no absolute moment when something crosses from being lifeless parts into something that we can call alive. Self replication, metabolizing, sentience, relative stability, survival enforcement, all of these are just defined for a limited time period... we can say that a nuclear chain reaction, with the exception of sentience, meets these criteria, but since it happens so fast (on a time scale relative to ourselves, which we "know" to be alive) we say it's not alive, because it doesn't match the criteria we have set as a baseline -- which is ourselves. What makes our particular time scale so important? By the way, I'm not a hippy, and I don't sympathize with hippies. I'm not saying that we should consider everything to be alive, I'm just saying that this hunting for the definition of life is an excercise in futility, because we invented the concept.
Point taken, but I think that most illegals are paid under the table, or they wouldn't be able to stick around... they would show up on the authorities radar sometime if they actually paid taxes but didn't have the proper info.. I'm not talking about foreigners who are working in the US, I'm talking about illegals, who are hiding from the government living on under the table payments. I can't see how they can expect to benefit from the law if they don't have regard enough to follow it to begin with and apply legally for citizenship.
I wouldn't dream of saying that they're more likely to commit other crimes, I just don't want them getting away with not paying taxes, and that includes every single tax that we have to pay. If they get out of even one tiny little social security deduction then I'm upset. They should have jump through the same hoops that us good citizens have to. This under the table crap IS more common when employing illegals, and that's not debatable.
hey, it posted my reply with the wrong parent (see above) I was replying to the one about the poor huddled and such, and it posted it under it's parent. After my submission, it displayed the correct parent, but in the static page, it's wrong. Bug?
nope, just when your poor and tired huddled masses come in, make sure they sign up to pay taxes and follow the law like the rest of us.
how so? the popup blocker? the firewall? (which works by EXE name???) The canary on the stack that is disabled by default? I fail to see any real benefits of SP2 other than allowing for long strings in the GPO Explain strings.. It also breaks a lot of things that aren't even related to the firewall. It's an attempt at fixing things, but I don't think it's worth it's weight in sand unless you're already technical enough to know how to configure your system with all of the features it provides (Which if you are, then you most likely had your own firewall and popup blocker software and were running mozilla to begin with.) For the general populace whom this SP2 is meant to protect, it just appears to break things, and offer annoying warnings to which they can, and do, check "Never tell me this again."
agreed. I think that's the issue that will make or break this concept. Then again, microsoft doesn't ask your permission to install XP sp2 anymore like they used to.. unless you don't want any more updates in the future..
well I stand corrected. I was until recently a working american musician. I guess things are differnt. We weren't involved with the RIAA, but we sold our discs off the back of our truck. We sold 3000 copies and then, when we printed more, we couldnt sell anymore because everyone who came see us either had burned it or bought it... That sucked, but obviously it was good that people liked our music... we just couldn't afford to make any more.
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you mean they don't have copyrights in canada? (ok so marijuanna was a bad example.)