I believe the article proves you are incorrect. IRC is not just a medium, apparently. Yet that pirated copy of Microsoft Office or Norton Utilities that turns up on a home-burned CD-ROM may well have originated on I.R.C.
Pirated software can originate from IRC itself (not the clients or the servers) The whole idea behind I.R.C. is freedom of speech. There is really no structure on the Internet for policing I.R.C., and there are intentionally no rules. Obviously you're not allowed to hack the Pentagon, but there are no rules like 'You can't say this' or 'You can't do that.'
You can hack the pentagon from IRC, you just arent supposed to.
Dont mod that up just because the author is disagreeing.
CS != programming. He is correct in saying that.
And then you go off topic and say MANY CS majors become coders, and it is a perfectly acceptable outlet for the skills, knowledge and wisdom gleaned from a good CS degree program
Well no shit sherlock, CS teaches algorithms and theory which would be used in programming, providing people with the background to become a good programmer. The parent did not say anything like CS students do not become programmers.
My school required calculus just to get into CS
You never took calculus in post-secondary?
That might be your first sign that your program is not top notch.
The second is that you think calculus for CS majors is unnecessary, because you need it for a variety of things.
First I just want to say that computer science programs are not all created equal. There are definately less schools who teach it well than those who dont.
Now for math, personally I was required to take a fair number of courses during my first and second year. While I didnt find it all relevant to CS, there definately are reasons to take math courses to help you in CS. Proving runtimes is mainly math, encryption is mainly math, etc.
Also, I just want to make a note that CS != programming. You take a 4 month course to "learn to program", and you take a 4 year program to begin learning computer science.
If someone wants to risk their life to be the first human to land on another planet AND they can find someone to pay for it, I say let 'em go.
Yes, because you americans really can stop the russians from going?? And im sure the Russians can pay for it with the money that the pansies at NASA are giving them to keep the space station going.
I thought the human race was a little less dull than the thousands of cublicle dwellers posting how bad of idea this is. Just because it is someone non-american...its unsafe?
Despite a much lower budget than NASA, the Russian's space program seems to be working a lot better, they actually have performed space missions in the last year.
This is actually quite comical --- oh no they are making a plant resistant to our chemicals!
Until you look at crops like soybeans and corn...which have been "round-up-ready" (immune to the common pesticide round-up) for a decade. It actually results in much less pesticide use, since they can spray their entire crop once basically and remove all weeds. Think about how much pesticides the golf courses currently use, does that not concern you? But all of a sudden since they make resistant grass and use less pesticides that concerns you?
No platform, especially one deployed at such great lengths, will be 100% secure... There are just too many things that could possibly cause problems.
Well lets say I develop an OS that is REALLY buggy, but I am the only person to use it, nobody will exploit it because they dont even know it exists! Now I then sell this OS to EVERYONE in the world, and everyone has an OS that nobody can exploit!
Muhhahaha!! I am rich AND secure! Life is good!
Now I do think im missing some sort of step in there however, the obscurity turning into security, but oh well, I am RICH!
The move and the removal of the comic books wasnt due to "shipping". He was trying to turn you from a pansy boy to a man. Unfortunately, due to the avid slashdot reading, he has obviously failed.
I like how a bunch of people sitting in cube farms are commenting on whether or not we should explore the moon and is it worth 1 person dying.
How many people died exploring the seas? How many people then thought they were *CRAZY* for doing so, because europe was obviously the center of the earth/universe.
Who cares if a million people die in the process of us becoming successful in space, its the next step.
And yes, I would be one of them. Even if my chances were slim.
I had a truckload of laptops stolen from me. If you find such a truckload, please fedex the contents to me, the reward is 501 USD, pounds, whatever you want.
Also lost a truckload of mercedes benzes (benzii?).......
I would say that right now we have officially reached the point where 2 year old hardware is more than adequate to do everything excluding gaming/video encoding etc.
My computer is 3 years old and still works fast enough for everything...I dont think the newest version of windows has ever ran on such old technology. And since hardware speed doubles every about year...this trend will be exponential. So in 10 years, the newest OS will run on maybe 8 or 9 year old computers is my best guess...
Although predicting the future is like russian roulette...if you win its fun, but most people end up losers:P
I actually really like this idea as well....and might even pursue writing something:)
Like how cool would it be to have the first person shooter on my win box control my linux box?
Some things could be tricky though. But I just think we need some sort of variation to the current 2d world we have been living in for the last 8-10 years.
The pre-seeded hosts were 99% for sure prehacked and backdoored, not necessarily using the same method, but likely. Then, they were all sent the worm to being spreading, and spread it all at once.
I am just surprised the numbers are so low for the pre-seeded hosts...most backdoored networks like that would have at least ten times that many hosts.
You posted anon because you are a fool. Thats the sadly obvious reason.
There are laws against hacking: The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards.
I am glad you go to Harvard Law School, and are a TF...but sadly I must point out a nice little flaw in your arguement (how did you pass the LSAT without knowing fallacies?)
The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. == AMERICAN
This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards. == THE WORLD.
Your American laws are only good in America. What makes you think that the worm was began by an American or that you could prosecute that individual?
There are 100 ground-zero IP addresses recorded in the telescope: these ground-zero hosts are likely to be useful for forensics, and search warrants should be issued for their recovery. Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in/etc/passwd from one of the hackers.
Explain to me who is doing this forensics, and how the search warrants will be issued for these "100 ground-zero IP addresses". Yet again, are these all American IPs? Are the people investigating American?
Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in/etc/passwd from one of the hackers. == GIBBERISH.
What exactly do you mean here. You are going to find the hacker's username in/etc/passwd?
I dont really understand why/how/what you mean here. If a hacker is smart enough to start this large scale worm, do you not think he is smart enough to not leave any logs on the computers he first infected? And if they are, they would definately be proxies, which yet again are you going to investigate them? Even if they are not American?
And finally....
With a bit of work, I believe that the hackers can be brought to justice. The question is, what happens next week when the next bored teenager releases the next worm?
You are going to bring the hackers to justice where? Are they American? Do you have the right to prosecute anyone in the world?
And it is hardly the work of a bored teenager. First, its unlikely its a teenager...it is rather convenient to blame teenagers though. You are missing the real question, which is what can we do to prevent worms of massive scale from occurring.
I really hope that you use what you learn at Harvard inside America, and do not try to impose your laws anywhere else in the world. Especially considering your lack of knowledge on the subject yet your intentions to bring some hackers to justice.
Reasons why parent's ignorance should NOT be marked informative.
However, I have been in my day an avid C and BSD (mostly FreeBSD, but some NetBSD) user. Honestly, from where I sit (you may agree or not), programming and computer stuff in general has become a lot less like a science or craft, and more like a factory job.
You may do repetitive cut and paste coding and BSD work, but that does not make you in any sense a programmer or computer scientist. You are in fact similar to a factory worker.
More and more computer science departments are teaching using Java. Why? because it helps people to understand how the computer works? no. Simply, because it's what the industry is using.
No, Computer Science departments teach using Java because it is the simplest and most intuitive language to use. Because of the automatic memory managements, provided libraries and OOP-readiness of Java, courses can teach "Java" courses with little or no attention to semantics. Computer Science programs should (and mine does) instruct students in good programming practices, good design and architecture principles, refactoring techniques, OOP design, etc. Programming languages are hardly important, computer scientists should be able to apply their knowledge to ANY language.
I had 4 technicians from Cox over at my house yesturday because my parents couldn't figure out what was wrong with the cable modem. They were the most filthy, disgusting bunch I have ever seen and were dressed more like gas station attendants than professionals. Why? because that sort of work has become blue-collar and low-rent.
Cable repair people are not required to wear suits. Cable repair people come and fix physical problems with the physical cable...or replace the modem, they are the most cost efficient way of fixing someone's internet.
How many graduates of say, ITT Tech would actually understand Knuth, even if they have ever heard of him? Likely, not many. That is why software sucks. That is why the programming "trade" sucks. and that is why companies can send the jobs abroad to people who work for peanuts. Programming is just like stamping "Ford" on the grill in a Detroit assembly plant these days and nothing more.
First, ITT graduates are hardly computer scientists. Secondly, you can not send programming work abroad for cheap. Obviously you have never worked at a company that develops software, interview processes are getting more and more intensive. In an age where corporations are being measured by their intellectual property, not their physical worth, true computer scientists are still in high demand. With the appropriate skills and experience, anywhere from Microsoft to IBM to Google to Amazon etc are willing to hire as many people as they can get ahold of.
Please dont lump together code people who create templated websites and do little coding with true computer scientists. Just as mechanical engineers perform a far different role than a factory worker, computer scientists perform a far different role than people who use Excel and make websites from templates.
Half the crowd is pro-windows biased, half the crowd is anti-windows biased and half the crowd lies by saying they aren't biased either way.
150% of the crowd cannot even use correct percentages, and make subjective opinions on matters they know nothing about:)
But keep on trucking...you hit quite a few good catchphrases, including but not limited to: pro-windows *3, anti-windows *2, OS *2, zealot, dorks*2, open source,/. * 2, bias *3
Slashdot Mirror
Cough loudly while typing softly :P
Well anyone who has been late for work knows that trick anyways
It is done just after the coughing loudly while sitting down quietly.
Real reasoning:
You can prevent piracy on xbox live a lot easier than any PC based multiplayer versions.
Why did he not try to justify that instead of making false claims?
It is understandable they want to make money, and Xbox could be where its at for them...
you must be in the wrong channels
;)
nobody 31337 has used punctuation or capitalization since 1995.
the only reason you IRC is because you are backdoored, and part of my ddos net
I believe the article proves you are incorrect. IRC is not just a medium, apparently.
Yet that pirated copy of Microsoft Office or Norton Utilities that turns up on a home-burned CD-ROM may well have originated on I.R.C.
Pirated software can originate from IRC itself (not the clients or the servers)
The whole idea behind I.R.C. is freedom of speech. There is really no structure on the Internet for policing I.R.C., and there are intentionally no rules. Obviously you're not allowed to hack the Pentagon, but there are no rules like 'You can't say this' or 'You can't do that.'
You can hack the pentagon from IRC, you just arent supposed to.
EYE R SEE why IRC is so bad now.
:P
They(we) invented l33tsp34k
now they r bad.
This is an easy one. When its working correctly its male. When it wont do what its suppose to its female.
Bad girl, you have been naughty.
Dont mod that up just because the author is disagreeing.
CS != programming. He is correct in saying that.
And then you go off topic and say MANY CS majors become coders, and it is a perfectly acceptable outlet for the skills, knowledge and wisdom gleaned from a good CS degree program
Well no shit sherlock, CS teaches algorithms and theory which would be used in programming, providing people with the background to become a good programmer. The parent did not say anything like CS students do not become programmers.
My school required calculus just to get into CS
You never took calculus in post-secondary?
That might be your first sign that your program is not top notch.
The second is that you think calculus for CS majors is unnecessary, because you need it for a variety of things.
First I just want to say that computer science programs are not all created equal. There are definately less schools who teach it well than those who dont.
Now for math, personally I was required to take a fair number of courses during my first and second year. While I didnt find it all relevant to CS, there definately are reasons to take math courses to help you in CS. Proving runtimes is mainly math, encryption is mainly math, etc.
Also, I just want to make a note that CS != programming. You take a 4 month course to "learn to program", and you take a 4 year program to begin learning computer science.
If someone wants to risk their life to be the first human to land on another planet AND they can find someone to pay for it, I say let 'em go.
Yes, because you americans really can stop the russians from going?? And im sure the Russians can pay for it with the money that the pansies at NASA are giving them to keep the space station going.
I thought the human race was a little less dull than the thousands of cublicle dwellers posting how bad of idea this is. Just because it is someone non-american...its unsafe?
Despite a much lower budget than NASA, the Russian's space program seems to be working a lot better, they actually have performed space missions in the last year.
Urban people beware!
This is actually quite comical --- oh no they are making a plant resistant to our chemicals!
Until you look at crops like soybeans and corn...which have been "round-up-ready" (immune to the common pesticide round-up) for a decade. It actually results in much less pesticide use, since they can spray their entire crop once basically and remove all weeds. Think about how much pesticides the golf courses currently use, does that not concern you? But all of a sudden since they make resistant grass and use less pesticides that concerns you?
Read up on it before you knock it.
Ummm...I think you are wrong...
No platform, especially one deployed at such great lengths, will be 100% secure... There are just too many things that could possibly cause problems.
Well lets say I develop an OS that is REALLY buggy, but I am the only person to use it, nobody will exploit it because they dont even know it exists! Now I then sell this OS to EVERYONE in the world, and everyone has an OS that nobody can exploit!
Muhhahaha!! I am rich AND secure! Life is good!
Now I do think im missing some sort of step in there however, the obscurity turning into security, but oh well, I am RICH!
Your father was unsuccessful...
;)
The move and the removal of the comic books wasnt due to "shipping". He was trying to turn you from a pansy boy to a man. Unfortunately, due to the avid slashdot reading, he has obviously failed.
You forgot bandwidth and ISP costs, mate. If you only download one song a month, it can be as high as $80!
:)
Oh hush. The pr0n is 99% of your bandwidth, so its 99% of the cost. If you only dl one song its STILL cheaper than itunes
No doubt.
I like how a bunch of people sitting in cube farms are commenting on whether or not we should explore the moon and is it worth 1 person dying.
How many people died exploring the seas? How many people then thought they were *CRAZY* for doing so, because europe was obviously the center of the earth/universe.
Who cares if a million people die in the process of us becoming successful in space, its the next step.
And yes, I would be one of them. Even if my chances were slim.
Umm but a program cannot verify another program (based on a major code verification theory)
So the compiler suggesting validation for programs wont be very successful. I guarentee you can create code that no suggestions can be made for.
But this COULD streamline the code verification process which is so costly and difficult that it is almost NEVER done.
I had a truckload of laptops stolen from me. If you find such a truckload, please fedex the contents to me, the reward is 501 USD, pounds, whatever you want.
Also lost a truckload of mercedes benzes (benzii?).......
At the risk of shooting myself in the face....
:P
I would say that right now we have officially reached the point where 2 year old hardware is more than adequate to do everything excluding gaming/video encoding etc.
My computer is 3 years old and still works fast enough for everything...I dont think the newest version of windows has ever ran on such old technology. And since hardware speed doubles every about year...this trend will be exponential. So in 10 years, the newest OS will run on maybe 8 or 9 year old computers is my best guess...
Although predicting the future is like russian roulette...if you win its fun, but most people end up losers
I actually really like this idea as well....and might even pursue writing something :)
Like how cool would it be to have the first person shooter on my win box control my linux box?
Some things could be tricky though. But I just think we need some sort of variation to the current 2d world we have been living in for the last 8-10 years.
Maybe we need a whole rethink of GUI's for OS's.
No.
The pre-seeded hosts were 99% for sure prehacked and backdoored, not necessarily using the same method, but likely. Then, they were all sent the worm to being spreading, and spread it all at once.
I am just surprised the numbers are so low for the pre-seeded hosts...most backdoored networks like that would have at least ten times that many hosts.
HAHA!
/etc/passwd from one of the hackers.
/etc/passwd from one of the hackers. == GIBBERISH.
/etc/passwd?
You posted anon because you are a fool. Thats the sadly obvious reason.
There are laws against hacking: The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards.
I am glad you go to Harvard Law School, and are a TF...but sadly I must point out a nice little flaw in your arguement (how did you pass the LSAT without knowing fallacies?)
The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. == AMERICAN
This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards. == THE WORLD.
Your American laws are only good in America. What makes you think that the worm was began by an American or that you could prosecute that individual?
There are 100 ground-zero IP addresses recorded in the telescope: these ground-zero hosts are likely to be useful for forensics, and search warrants should be issued for their recovery. Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in
Explain to me who is doing this forensics, and how the search warrants will be issued for these "100 ground-zero IP addresses". Yet again, are these all American IPs? Are the people investigating American?
Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in
What exactly do you mean here. You are going to find the hacker's username in
I dont really understand why/how/what you mean here. If a hacker is smart enough to start this large scale worm, do you not think he is smart enough to not leave any logs on the computers he first infected? And if they are, they would definately be proxies, which yet again are you going to investigate them? Even if they are not American?
And finally....
With a bit of work, I believe that the hackers can be brought to justice. The question is, what happens next week when the next bored teenager releases the next worm?
You are going to bring the hackers to justice where? Are they American? Do you have the right to prosecute anyone in the world?
And it is hardly the work of a bored teenager. First, its unlikely its a teenager...it is rather convenient to blame teenagers though. You are missing the real question, which is what can we do to prevent worms of massive scale from occurring.
I really hope that you use what you learn at Harvard inside America, and do not try to impose your laws anywhere else in the world. Especially considering your lack of knowledge on the subject yet your intentions to bring some hackers to justice.
Reasons why parent's ignorance should NOT be marked informative.
However, I have been in my day an avid C and BSD (mostly FreeBSD, but some NetBSD) user.
Honestly, from where I sit (you may agree or not), programming and computer stuff in general has become a lot less like a science or craft, and more like a factory job.
You may do repetitive cut and paste coding and BSD work, but that does not make you in any sense a programmer or computer scientist. You are in fact similar to a factory worker.
More and more computer science departments are teaching using Java. Why? because it helps people to understand how the computer works? no. Simply, because it's what the industry is using.
No, Computer Science departments teach using Java because it is the simplest and most intuitive language to use. Because of the automatic memory managements, provided libraries and OOP-readiness of Java, courses can teach "Java" courses with little or no attention to semantics. Computer Science programs should (and mine does) instruct students in good programming practices, good design and architecture principles, refactoring techniques, OOP design, etc. Programming languages are hardly important, computer scientists should be able to apply their knowledge to ANY language.
I had 4 technicians from Cox over at my house yesturday because my parents couldn't figure out what was wrong with the cable modem. They were the most filthy, disgusting bunch I have ever seen and were dressed more like gas station attendants than professionals. Why? because that sort of work has become blue-collar and low-rent.
Cable repair people are not required to wear suits. Cable repair people come and fix physical problems with the physical cable...or replace the modem, they are the most cost efficient way of fixing someone's internet.
How many graduates of say, ITT Tech would actually understand Knuth, even if they have ever heard of him? Likely, not many. That is why software sucks. That is why the programming "trade" sucks. and that is why companies can send the jobs abroad to people who work for peanuts. Programming is just like stamping "Ford" on the grill in a Detroit assembly plant these days and nothing more.
First, ITT graduates are hardly computer scientists. Secondly, you can not send programming work abroad for cheap. Obviously you have never worked at a company that develops software, interview processes are getting more and more intensive. In an age where corporations are being measured by their intellectual property, not their physical worth, true computer scientists are still in high demand. With the appropriate skills and experience, anywhere from Microsoft to IBM to Google to Amazon etc are willing to hire as many people as they can get ahold of.
Please dont lump together code people who create templated websites and do little coding with true computer scientists. Just as mechanical engineers perform a far different role than a factory worker, computer scientists perform a far different role than people who use Excel and make websites from templates.
GTK is hardly a novice GUI developers dream, however. Without any premade button/listeners like swing/QT.
Just chipping in, I agree with your post
Half the crowd is pro-windows biased, half the crowd is anti-windows biased and half the crowd lies by saying they aren't biased either way.
:)
/. * 2, bias *3
150% of the crowd cannot even use correct percentages, and make subjective opinions on matters they know nothing about
But keep on trucking...you hit quite a few good catchphrases, including but not limited to: pro-windows *3, anti-windows *2, OS *2, zealot, dorks*2, open source,
Some Austin Powers is necessary here
Austin: Who does number two work for??
Texan: You show that turd who is boss!