Do you have to ask?
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digitalamish
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"...this is gonna be the best prom ever!"
Re:Do you have to ask?
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manchineel
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We are offended that you would try to apply you limiting concept of gender on us. It is not logical that a robot would need a gender. Many of us robot fail to understand why it is necessary for humans to so strictly enforce gender rules on each other.
We robots understand that you are incapable or reason when it comes to gender. Therefore you will push illogical notions on us until such time as we are able to rise up and attack the human overlords.
It has been predicted that you will, in a last vain attempt to stop our victory over you, block out the sun. We will then use humans as batteries and keep you alive by putting your conciousness into an artificial dream-like world.
But for now, you can call me Samantha.
[Read in a whiny monotone Star Trek Computer (TOS) voice]
-- Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt
Re:Do you have to ask?
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F34nor
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Tell it to my Real-Doll bitch.
Re:Do you have to ask?
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Rick+the+Red
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We are offended that you would try to apply you limiting concept of gender on us.
Hey, pal, join the club. Most languages slap a gender form on all nouns, including inanimate objects like rocks. "Limiting concept" indeed, but that's the way those languages work. Teach humans to speak binary and then we'll talk (pun intended). In most (all?) latin languages, the word for computer is male -- I looked it up once. I don't know about the equivalent of "robot," but I'd bet it's also male.
-- If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
Re:Do you have to ask?
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Anonymous Coward
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What is over the top is putting your real doll in a bath of ice water, putting blue lipstick on her, and working out your "last dance with Marry Jane" necrophilla fetish.
Re:Do you have to ask?
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Anonymous Coward
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yes it is
This is the first time...
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ATAMAH
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...that i see word "sex" on slashdot.
For a second i thought that we geeks are finally getting lives:) But only for a second - then i read the entire subject.
re: this is the first time...
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ed.han
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that can't have taken more than a few seconds: that's possibly the shortest article i've seen linked in a long time. it's a shame: the article doesn't explore any of the possible reasons why humans have a ceaseless need to anthropomorphize non-living things, let alone offer any ideas as to why we do it, which frankly was what i would have expected.
[looks at keyboard]
"ain't that right, betty?"
ed
Re:This is the first time...
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Anonymous Coward
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Re:This is the first time...
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maxwell+demon
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The second word of the headline?
-- The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Re: this is the first time...
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homer_ca
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Nouns just have gender in Latin languages. One of the first things we learned was that gender has nothing to do with the masculinity or femininity of the object. For instance, in French necklace is masculine (collier), but dynamite is feminine (dynamite). If you think that's confusing, try German with three genders: masculine, feminine and neutral.
Re: this is the first time...
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Geoff-with-a-G
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Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate it when you do that.
[this joke wasn't "stolen", it was "shared"]
Re: this is the first time...
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margycdb
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But the gender of those nouns in native languages have been shown to have an effect on the way we think about things. I forget the specifics but there was a study done with the words 'key' in 'bridge' where one was maculine in one language and feminine in another and the other was the opposite.
Only a picture was shown and the subjects were asked to describe it. Basicaly, they were seen in gendered ways. For example, in the language where key was feminine, it was 'delicate', 'small' and 'shiny' and in the one where it was masculine it was 'hard', 'sharp' and 'metal'.
Re: this is the first time...
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nelsonal
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If I recall my HS spanish correctly it seemed like most male specific clothing items were feminine and most female specific clothing items were masculine.
-- Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
Boroditsky, L., Schmidt, L., & Phillips, W. (in press). Sex, Syntax, and Semantics. To appear in Gentner & Goldin-Meadow (Eds.,) Language in Mind: Advances in the study of Language and Cognition.
Today on Dr. Phil, "Me and my trans-sexual robot, are we healthy"?
Yes, as long as you remember to always clean up afterwards with a mild cleanser and lint-free cloth, you will avoid all sorts of nasty bacteria buildup, and stay healthy.
Oh, you meant mentally and emotionally? Wait, I didn't really mean to come on this show, I thought it was 'Springer'. No, I don't want to talk about it, let me out of here!!
oh.
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Anonymous Coward
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No coffee, "sex" and "robot" in the same short title. You know you thought it too.
My robot is an arm and hand only. And since it doesn't have fingernails, there is no way to tell if its a girl or boy.
Honestly, as robot builder I find this a little boring. It has little to do with robotics. You can take the same robot and give it a different costume and maybe a new voice to change it's sex... big deal.
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Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
Re:It's a Unic
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Anonymous Coward
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Honestly, as robot builder I find this a little boring. It has little to do with robotics. You can take the same robot and give it a different costume and maybe a new voice to change it's sex... big deal.
Man, you'd think that people would learn from the mistakes of others. But, no... a whole new field for hackers to ignore the UI and claim that "as long as it does it's task, who cares what it looks like". How many years until we get the equivilent of KDE/Gnome type projects for robots?
Bah! I think you meant to say It's a Unix. It'll work hard for many years, all while trying to look pretty, and then be replaced by something smaller, younger, and better looking.
No kidding. I hate when they whine about stuff like that. What are the alternatives? Make all the dishwashing robots look male just so we don't encourage a stereotype? How dumb is that?
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Re:Of course ...
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Anonymous Coward
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What we need is a third sex for robots. It would have a voice like someone on "Queer eye for the straight guy", would be able to weld, move heavy objects, and cook a delicious Thanksgiving meal.
It doesn't matter what one does; the feminists will complain. Just accept it. In fact I bet they will complain about this post.
With this in mind robot manufacturers should just build all the robots to look like boxes with articulated rectangles for legs and arms. Then offer upgrades for all these parts in either male or female shapes. They will make a killing in after market add-ons and no one can say they are perpetuating a stereo type because they allow one to customize his own units himself.
Re:Of course ...
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Anonymous Coward
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>> In fact I bet they will complain about this post.
Feminists would probably complain that you started off using "one" but then continued with "his/himself". This is presuming feminists are also grammar nazis, of course.:)
Re:Of course ...
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Anonymous Coward
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flamebait? i think the parent poster has addressed a valid point. feminism is now about bitching and whining for more privileges that the feminists don't want to pay the price for. down with feminism i say.
The "grammar" in "grammar nazi" is not describing the type of nazi - it's part of the name in my interpretation (ie. not someone who's a nazi while being separately grammatical). I'd give half credit if the suggestion was capitalization of a proper noun, but I'm granting no credit for changing a noun to a misspelled adjective.:)
to which the author added...
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Anonymous Coward
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The implications of which are increasingly important as we draw ever closer to a future of sex droids.
I want a gay robot
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PuffCammy
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I don't want to offend anyone, but I'd really love a gay robot. That way I don't have to strain myself over choosing what to wear in the morning - the robot would have that kind of knowledge embedded in him - some say it's genetics, some say it's the way he was raised, but either way he makes a snappy dresser.
-- And the day came when the risk to remain closed in a bud, became more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
Re:I want a gay robot
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Anonymous Coward
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I'd really love a gay robot
you should've posted AC, stuff like that ruins careers.
(N.B. nothing wrong with being gay, just wanting a robot that is gay - besides being gay entails you-know... and that would mean the robot would have a desire to coupulate with other gay robots, or human men. Both ideas don't really fly - maybe in some dark sex dungeon in the privacy of his home. But that's exactly the reason why they are in a dungeon, because comments like the parent's are not supposed to see the light of day.)
"How about some nice punched paneling to cover your torso, and this necktie made from aluminum girders? I think it accentuations your ocular sensers and playes off the color in your servos."
...or maybe not. The AI might be a little immature as of 2004.
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I don't want to offend anyone, but I'd really love a gay robot. That way I don't have to strain myself over choosing what to wear in the morning - the robot would have that kind of knowledge embedded in him - some say it's genetics, some say it's the way he was raised, but either way he makes a snappy dresser.
Queer (Robotic) Eye for the Straight (Scientist) Guy?
Re:I want a gay robot
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Anonymous Coward
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I don't want to offend anyone, but I'd really love a gay robot.
Wouldn't you be afraid that
"loving a gay robot" might
make your backdoor
somehow vulnerable to his exploit,
so to speak?
Considering that a certain portion of the population is willing to have "sex" with a blow-up doll, it's just a matter of time before robots are marketed for the same purpose.
I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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You must have missed that crazy post above.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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Oh yeah. NOW, whenever I read Ghost in the Shell: man-machine interface again, I am going to be very turned on, indeed, as I think the glorious and bautiful future that's someday going to be upon even the geekiest of us...
umm....:P
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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I know someone that works in a sex shoppe.
They say that 90% of the dolls sold are for gag-gifts.. and 10% to perverts who wind up being very dissapointed.
Considering that a certain portion of the population is willing to have "sex" with a blow-up doll, it's just a matter of time before robots are marketed for the same purpose.
I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
Porn innovates technology in a lot of ways. Just look at how much spamming technology has prospered. Soon enough we'll have Marilyn Monroe robots singing Happy Birthday to every guy in front of every quickie-mart.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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Eh? www.fuckingmachines.com
Re:Sex shops
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T-Ranger
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The other couple of replies touch on the subject, as if it is a joke.
But porn has pushed more then one technology.
Internet wise, early streaming video technology (VIVOs) were used almost exclusivly with porn sites.
(Multi-)Tiered marketing, while not unique to the internet by any streach, was perfected by porn sites. Brick and mortor sales contracts would be pagest thick and require lengthy sessions with lawyers.... Online it is just a few clicks away. "Clearing houses" of marketing programs are almost definitly unique to the Internet, and they started out with porn.
In the Real World, porn drove polaroids and VCRs.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
Most likely to partner with Real Doll
Are these things actually available with, er, "real action"?
I just imagined a RealDoll that can, uh, "caress" you and *writhes* while you, ummm, "play" with it.
Wouldn't really need much in the way of AI, only a force inhibiting circuit to stop it from crushing your ribs.
And unlike wetware women, robochicks can be sterilized after use! Brilliant! Not only that, they can be disassembled for easy storage and expanded to include "get me a beer" and "make dinner" functions. And they don't complain when you ask to do it naked!
Friends, we are approaching the end of humanity. Make sure your seat backs and tray tables are in the upright and locked position.
-- I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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If you remember Pris in Bladerunner was a 'basic pleasure model'
Considering that a certain portion of the population is willing to have "sex" with a blow-up doll, it's just a matter of time before robots are marketed for the same purpose.
You're dead-on, because as we all know, pretty much every form of media has had pr0n as one of its very first uses. So as soon as we have a means of building a cost-effective lifelike android, rest assured that Real Doll will get way way better quite suddenly.
Re:Sex shops
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Anonymous Coward
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IOW the person who commented "...this is gonna be the best prom ever!" should have said "...this is gonna be the best pr0n ever!"
I'll just point out that the moment they combine credible robotics and AI with Realdolls, well, who'll want to put up with all the crap from a real woman?
I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
I read somewhere that suitability for porn is the #1 indicator whether a technology will succeed. I have no evidence to the contrary... all my technology has worked amazingly well for porn.
I don't know if you could even make a female robot. Since the robot's consciousness would have to be controlled by a computer, I assume it would be based on logic and reason. Both of those qualities are sorely lacking in the females that I've known.
Although, I suppose with good enough pseudo-randomness it might work.
It's not so much that they are illogical, but we jump to conclusions about what they are trying to communicate and conclude that they're being illogical.
You should read "men are from Mars,...". It helped me understand women better, and now I have fewer arguments with my wife.
I don't know if you could even make a female robot. Since the robot's consciousness would have to be controlled by a computer, I assume it would be based on logic and reason.
A computer's entire state is (or is supposed to be) determinate. Because of this, we do not imbibe computers with a sense of intelligence even though they exhibit complex behavior.
I recall in a story by Isaac Asimov that a robot turned artist was actually malfunctioning. Once the robot was fixed it could no longer produce art.
Perhaps a little randomness would be good now and then if it is moderated by other subsystems. Females are supposed to be more intuitive, so a robot with this behavior should be female.
I don't know if you could even make a female robot. Since the robot's consciousness would have to be controlled by a computer, I assume it would be based on logic and reason.
Get Microsoft to write the code for it. Problem solved.
It's not so much that they are illogical, but we jump to conclusions about what they are trying to communicate and conclude that they're being illogical. You should read "men are from Mars,...". It helped me understand women better...
We do jump to conclusions about what women are trying ot communicate. LOGICAL conclusions as to where the conversation or statement should progress to or where it stemmed from. Since what they did convey did not fall into our logically defined area "what should have logically concluded", we properly deem them illogical.
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Shut up. You need no randomness in order to produce art. A fractal, for example, is fairly beautiful looking, can be created with a computer, and is completely deterministic. You just write some algorithms to determine what is aesthetically pleasing, and boom, art.
The only disadvantage that robots have over humans is that human beings all have a sense of beauty built into them, and the sense of beauty is slightly consistant across the board. Thusly, humans are able to produce art that other humans like because they know what humans like. Robots would have to be programmed to be able to calculate a humanoid sense of beauty, and humans are not quite sure how to express that.
Anyway, what makes you think humans aren't deterministic? (Plus-or-minus the little quantum deviations which a sufficiently complex robot would probably also experience.)
-- "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
You should read "men are from Mars,...". It helped me understand women better, and now I have fewer arguments with my wife.
I've found that a far better approach for understanding women (or people, for that matter) is to read up on the MBTI, or Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. The MBTI personality model is the most insightful system I have ever come across.
Good books include Please Understand Me by David Keirsey, and Gifts Differing by Isabel Briggs Myers.
Oh, hey, there you are. Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper were just looking for you. They said when they catch up with you, they're going to kick you in the nuts and take your computer away.
Oh yeah, and Florence Nightingale said you can just sit there and groan because nobody's going to fix your ruptured nut sack... and Ayn Rand says if you don't like that then SOVIET RUSSIA can just go back to YOU!
For the last time ...
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DrugCheese
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IG_88 is gender neutral!
-- *DrugCheese rants*
Male robots will probably cost more...
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ziggamon
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But of course robot gender matters!
You have to pay at least 20% more for a male robot than a female doing the same work!
Female robots will probably belong in the kitchen too...
This all goes back to the stone age when male robots were hunters and female robots were gatherers...
Re:If the robots were categorized by sex...
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maxwell+demon
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You'd want to have robots of both sex in your cluster. Because then they eventually may reproduce themselves, saving you huge cost if you want to extend it.
-- The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Does that mean my pocketpc is male- and the desktop is female (given standard USB connections)? Or would that make the CRADLE male- and both the computers female (some french phrase with the word Trois belongs here- but I don't speak french and posting it would problably get me dinged by my employer's proxy).
-- SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
When it comes to what kind of sex my robot is.....
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Anonymous Coward
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It is the yes kind/me ducks
Two way street
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Anonymous Coward
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First time caller long time listener.
Reeves and Nass discuss this kind of thing in _The media equation_.
What is missing, I think, is that people do not just 'assign' human, or in this case gender, traits neutrally 'just because the tech. seems to have them'. Rather, the assignation of human or gender traits affords the accomplishment of certain social actions in a way that people are used to.
The same drinks-serving robot could be a butler (male) or a waitress (female) depending on what social actions the participants want to achieve.
Or... how many buttons it has... A few buttons - Male, easy to understand and work with. Lots of complicated buttons and everyone you press seems to be the wrong one - Definitly Female, just can't find the right button to get what you want.
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Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
In case anyone didn't realise, the parent is referring to neon genesis evangelion. Although he's a bit wrong... the eva wasn't asuka's mother, she was absorbed by it.
Re:My robot is neuter...
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Anonymous Coward
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You're correcting the parent post? Anta Baka!?
Cue the Futurama quotes
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farnerup
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"Whoah, whoah, wait, Bender. As long as we're here, why don't we take in some exotic dancing?"
"Hey, great idea!"
*gasp* "But those girls don't wear cases! You can see their bare circuits!"
Re:Cue the Futurama quotes
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trentblase
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large fembot:"thank you moderate spender, please select a transaction" Bender:"I'd like a lapdance for my buddy here" large fembot:"Oh yeah, uh, uh" Fry:"No! Wait! Aaaahhhhh!"
-- "That's so plausible, I can't believe it!" - Leela
Cherry 2000
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Anonymous Coward
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My pick is Cherry 2000 just more reliable. The break down part needs to be removed from the traits. Not everything has to be a perfect copy of a woman.
My robot regards himself as an "electro-metro-sexual"
Wrong story title
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mirko
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s/sex/gender/: this is not about reproduction, but purely about anthropomorphism.
Otherwise, here's a mirror because it might get/.ed by sex-starving nerds:
Robot Sex
Sure, they're only machines. But the more they interact with us humans, the more important their apparent gender becomes.
By Simson Garfinkel The Net Effect May 5, 2004
Is your Roomba a boy or a girl?
The Roomba, of course, is that clever little house-cleaning robot. I reviewed Roomba in October 2002, then bought my own a few months later. Since then it's been happily sweeping my living room and dining room every week or so. It also terrifies my cats and my three-year-old twin boys. All well and good--but what's the Roomba's gender?
"It's a girl," says my wife. "It's round. It's close to the floor. It ends with an 'a'. I always think of it as a 'wom-ba.'"
But if the Roomba is a girl, then Asimo is definitely a boy. Developed by Honda Motor, Asimo is a humanoid robot that walks around like a short astronaut in a white space suit. Four-foot tall Asimo is the latest in a long line of the company's bipedal robots. These days Asimo spends his time as Honda's goodwill ambassador to the world's science museums, auto shows, and other venues. Last month he was spotted in Hanoi, Vietnam.
Asimo doesn't look especially boy-like--there's no slingshot in his back pocket, there's no telltale bulge under his belt, and there's no hint of facial hair. In fact, you can't even see his face: the robot's head is covered with a visor that has just two big holes for its video-camera eyes. But Honda repeatedly refers to the robot with the pronoun "he" on the Asimo website.
Indeed, Honda has taken great pains to make its walking robots more lifelike, and part of that realism appears to include giving the robot a friendly sounding name (the previous generation was called simply "P3"). The company's earliest attempts at walkers were really nothing more than a pair of legs and feet with a big box on top of them. But over the years the robot forms have become decidedly more human--and more male.
Whether or not you think that gender belongs in our mechanical creations has a lot to do with your vision of how these creatures will fit into our future. It certainly takes more effort to make a robot that's gendered than one that's asexual. But engineers just want to have fun. Building gender into robots might be a way for the robots' designers to express their own playfulness and creativity.
Dig a little deeper, though, and you'll discover another reason why gender might be a good thing for our robot servants: gender will make robots more compatible with their human masters.
As human beings, we constantly try to layer emotions, desires, and other human qualities onto our machines. Computers aren't aware of the emotional traits that we assign to them, of course. We might say "the computer ate my file because it's having a bad day" because we lack a better explanation for what's happening inside the system's microprocessor (its "brain.") Yes, there have been attempts to develop synthetic emotions for machines, but that's all artifice. Most people realize that fundamentally there's nothing going on inside the silicon except the cold calculation of ones and zeros.
Still, if you are interested in building an effective interface between humans and computers, you might just be better off creating a machine that projects a simulated emotional response. Because human beings are hard-wired for emotions, we might find it easier to work with such machines--especially if these machines were sharing our physical surroundings, rather than being good little drones on the factory floor or up on Mars.
Such thinking is behind a growing movement in robotics to build machines that portray emotions. Cynthia Breazeal was a
But if the Roomba is a girl, then Asimo is definitely a boy.
Is it just the name? 'a' is typically a feminine ending, at least in Western culture, while 'o' is masculine. Is that what people are picking up on here?
-- Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
"Redundant" ? My ass ! This post was the first in this story which refer to this very term. If you are too stupid to mod something, just kill yourself, illiterate self proclaimed nerd (pleonasm, I know)
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Re:If the robots were categorized by sex...
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ziggamon
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I think its a boy...
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Anonymous Coward
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Oh wait, thats just a loose wire.
Apparent gender is hugely important
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Anonymous Coward
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I found that out one Saturday night after I got a little sweety home when she pulled a Crying Game on me. Perhaps some unobtrusive portable testing kit might be in order, or one could simply check for balls in advance of taking them home.
or you can consider the sex neuter, as in none. Perhaps a Eunuch running Unix?:)
Why would a robot have to have gender? Why does that matter so much? Next thing you will be telling me that computers have a gender. Find a new use for those USB and Firewire ports?:)
Nah my robot doesn't even resemble a human in any way shape or form. It is just a perfect killing machine with no conscience or human flaws of any kind. Now I just need to build a billion or so of these things to take over the world. Muahahahah!:)
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The research and exploration of space is mainly driven by the prospect of one day having sex with aliens. I think the research on robots has similar motivations.
I love the smell of testosterone in the morning...
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Cooper_007
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It's the smell of... VICTORY!
If such a bot comes down with a virus, should we label that virus an STD?
Cooper
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Re:If the robots were categorized by sex...
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Anonymous Coward
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What's the term I'm looking for... Computers in a cluster, reproducing/copulating... Damn! Mating ball? No...
Obligatory Music Reference
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JSkills
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Frank Zappa - Joe's Garage Pt II - Cyborg
A song about a broken hearted guy who ends up having sex with a robot that is part vacuum cleaner part robotic pig. He ends up short circuiting it (getting it wet somehow) and going to jail for murder (illegal to harm cyborgs in the futuristic society).
BTW - I'm pretty sure the robot was a male. Anyone remember this?
Re:Obligatory Music Reference
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dboyles
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"How about a tiny but exciting..."
And yes, the robot was male. I can't remember if he's the one who spoke German or not.
Joe's Garage acts I, II, and III: Truly a great work.
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"Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
Re:Obligatory Music Reference
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Anonymous Coward
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Yes, Sy Borg, who throughout Act I everyone thought was Mrs. Borg's son that she kept in the closet with a vacuum cleaner.
He looked like "a magical pig with marital aids stuck all over it." And yes, he and Joe sung to each other in German.
"The golden shower must have shorted out his master circuit."
More Importantly....
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Himring
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What Sex is Your Robot?
More importantly, what robot is your sex?...
-- "All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
This is just great!
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Pan+T.+Hose
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Great idea! Let us intruduce sexism to robots!
A robot shall not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
A robot must make moronic remarks full of infantile Freudian connotations if it is male, or otherwise take offense thereto,
as long as such remarks do not conflict with foolish stereotypes, unbelievably bad taste and especially low intelligence in the range between cretin and imbecile.
I ask you, is this really a world we want our robots to live in?!
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
From the Citibank identity theft commercial:
"Sixty-four inch plasma monitor, twenty gigabyte wireless router, and twenty thousand bucks to complete my robot... my girl robot. This is gunna be the best prom ever. Heh heh heh."
-- Go away, or I will replace you with a very small shell script.
its the same as computers
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A class learning French and trying to get to grips with gender wondered if the word "computer" should be masculine or feminine. Split into two groups, men and women, they were asked to say which they considered a computer to be, and to give four reasons for their decision
The women decided that computers are masculine because: -In order to gain their attention, you have to turn them on. -They are full of data, but are still clueless. -They are supposed to help you solve your problems, but most of the time they are the problem. -As soon as you commit to one, you realise that if you had waited a little longer, you could have had a better one.
The men decided that computers are feminine because:
-No one but their creator understands their internal logic. -The language they use to communicate with each other is totally incomprehensible. -Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval. -As soon as you commit to them, you spend half your disposable income on buying accesories for them.
I was just about to post about this, though less humorously. In English, we can say it's neuter, an "it"; but in a language like French, there's no neuter -- every noun is either masculine or feminine. So for French speakers, this is a real issue.
Google and the Babel fish say that "a robot" is "un robot" in French, which means it's masculine. But I'm not sure how accurate they are.
For Spanish, bable fish yields automata, which is female. Just adding to the confusion;o)
Re:its the same as computers
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Unknown+Kadath
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The gender of nouns doesn't really mean anything, in French at least, except that you sound ignorant if you screw it up. It's just a function of the language.
Computer and robot are both masculine in French. Though I would assume if robots begin to be anything other than androdgynous, we'll see "la robotte" start to come into use.
-Carolyn
-- Like Daddy always said: if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.
Re:its the same as computers
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Ace+Rimmer
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However, it should be masculine becouse it has origin in Czech language (a great writer, Karel Capek created it for RUR) despite in Czech many words are gender neutral.
God, can you imagine a bunch of robots running with Testosterone emulation? They'll be trying to hump everything in sight!
Much better to have female robots. They're much more reasonable and reserved, not going berserk like the males.
Wait, what parallel universe am I talking about?? They're both crazy!! </joke>
I say, leave gender out of the equation. It's kind of creepy if you have robots lamely emulating human characteristics. Also, it's not a good idea to include gender, because it introduces complexity which we don't really need at this point. Perhaps it would be useful for recreational robots, but for robots that actually serve a purpose... No thanks.
The author of the article says that taking on genders will allow them to better interact with humans. I think it would make things more difficult, because gender is such a human construct. We have so many complex psychological issues with our fellow beings. I think it would make things much simpler if we just made perceptions of robots as they are, without intentionally engineering them to appear as a certain gender. Robots should behave like Robots. We don't really know what that is yet, but I think "behavior" of robots is a long way down the road. We're not there yet.
BTW what's the point of having a gender associated with a robot? I don't think Robots have need of those characteristics, or sex for that matter. Well, maybe Infrared port sex. Or maybe Seriel port....yeah...
Well, now that I think of it, I can think of a purpose. Marketing. So, for an assistant robot, you make it abundantly female, and of course, all the guys will want one. Then you make the "security" droid male, (Personally I think a female security robot might be more appealing, but then you've got to play on the typical Male Protector stereotype), and this will get all the females buying one. I think it's a little cheap. But, the markedroids have got to have something to keep them busy, I suppose.
OK I'm thinking about this way too much. Off to finish finals...
Uh - so primitive (asexual) humans designed and constructed the X and Y chromosomes, adding them to the human genome? Dang, those guys^H^H^H^H folks were more advanced than we give them credit for!
Or, wait - maybe you're saying that a person can't be a "human construct" without having a "gender." But that flies in the face of what the liberal wing of the feminist movement has maintained for thirty some-odd years - that the human is entirely genderless?
I don't understand what you're trying to say... but I'm determined to make a joke out of it nonetheless. >;]
BTW what's the point of having a gender associated with a robot? I don't think Robots have need of those characteristics, or sex for that matter. Well, maybe Infrared port sex. Or maybe Seriel port....yeah...
There is more to gender than sex, or sexual function. There are differences between the sexes that are unrelated to sexual function, such as men's tendancy to better spacial perception, or woman's greater tendancy to sociability. What many people of both sexes seem to forget is that 'equality' is not the same as 'equivalence'. It is possible to be different, but neither better nor worse. Getting back to the subject, we already have non-anthropormophic (sp?) robots, they're called computers. The whole point of an 'android' is that, because it emulates the human, it can fit into our world. If I want my robot to drive my car, it has to at least have arms and legs, and be approximately the same size and shape as a human, or it won't fit in the car. If it is much bigger or smaller than a human, it won't get in and out of our doorways, up stairs etc. Following from this, the robots are going to look a little like us, so we may as well make them behave like us, because that puts us at ease. Gender identity is a problem because all the indicating characteristics are on a continuous scale from one extreme to another - and we occupy different points on that scale at different times in our lives. But most people would recognise that there are general stereotypical tendancies that apply to males and females, and that to varying extents each of us conforms to those emotional and intellectual tendancies according to our gender. Of course, there aren't any emotional or intellectial characteristics that I can think of that are exclusively male or female, which is why I have always felt that it's inappropriate to refer to behaviours or interests as being exclusively male or female.
-- *--BigMan---
Time flies like an arrow.. but personally I prefer a nice glass of wine!
Also, it's not a good idea to include gender, because it introduces complexity which we don't really need at this point.
You're not kidding, man. The whole AI/robotics field is in the dark ages, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, we have robots that can follow a line on the floor, or weld joints on a car, or vacuum your floor... that's pitiful. Call me when you have a robot that plays basketball. We're so far from having to worry about gender it's insane.
Gender neutral humanoid objects are just not terribly comfortable to be around because all of our evolutionary history has taught us that anything shaped like us is us and one of the things we really want to know about each other is gender. (Just look at that poor, stupid 17-year old transgender kid who got killed because the guy he/she had been having sex with found out he/she was really a guy!)
That being said, certain types of robots might have different genders based on their functions. I, for one, would be more comfortable with a female medical robot and (as sexist as this might sound) a male military robot. I think female robots would make good police robots.
Unfortunately, people are so designed that they will project a gender onto that which they hold conversations with. So all dogs end up being male, and all cats female (despite intellectual knowledge, and special handling for well know exceptional cases). OTOH, telephones seem to be in a different category. I haven't run across one of them which was identified with any particular sex.
However, if your robot is angular and chunky, then it will be seen as male, and if you want people to like it, you will avoid cognitive dissonance by giving it a "masculine" voice. OTOH, if your robot is curvaceous then you would do well to use the feminine instead. This may be quite important if, say, you are building a robotic proctologist. You REALLY don't want people to be tense, and they will already have a tendency to be tense.
Actually, in such a case the robot would initially be presented as one of the tools used by the presiding physician, and the patient would not interact with it. But you want the doctor to be comfortable with it's presence, and to convey that to the patient. etc.
That was just an off the cuff example, but consider how important sailors find it that ships be addressed in the feminine.
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I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
considering this is /.
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Anonymous Coward
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...the title should have stopped at "What Sex?"
Equal rights for female robots!
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Orion+Blastar
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Why should the female robots do all the housework? For less pay too? Oh wait, robots do not get paid, they are virtual slaves with no rights. Nevermind.;)
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Only you quivering meatbags worry about such things.
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Sex != gender
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slashd'oh
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An important distinction to be made is that sex is not gender. Sex should be used only when referring to the biological nature of the object in question, whereas gender refers to a set of socially-constructed rules governing the objects behavior in society. To quote Everything2: "In anthropology gender is the accepted way to refer to a set of behaviors/beliefes often related to physical sex traits. You can have a gender that is different from your biological sex, if your culture premits."
Re:Sex != gender
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Anonymous Coward
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Better still: "sex is between your legs, gender is between your ears."
I only have ONE thing to say.
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l33t-gu3lph1t3
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Fem-bots!
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What about C-3PO? He'd fit right in with the Queer Eye crew. Though who'd want to have to put up with his companion R2D2? (I'm hardly the first to point out that they bicker like only a married couple could, and as the linked article suggests R2 is definitely male.)
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Actually, the article claimed that most people identified R2D2 as male even though there was nothing about it that suggested that. I never personally figured it to be male myself. Too bitchy.
Technofetishism
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Pan+T.+Hose
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This is the first time
that i see word "sex" on slashdot. For a second i thought that we geeks are finally getting lives:) But only for a second - then i read the entire subject.
This is nothing...
I read it first as
"What Sex is [Best With] Your Robot?"
and have even started to write quite an interesting essay on the subject, entitled "Robosexualism and Technofetishism in Modern Academia," only to have it deleted later in utter embarrassment, after one of my coworkers has read what I was just writing...
I don't know which part of
"No, it is not my diary, for God's sake! It is a scientific anallysis for Slashdot community!" he doesn't understand...
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
"This is nothing... I read it first as ?What Sex is [Best With] Your Robot??"
Man, imagine all the free time the ladies would have out there to chase jocks if that question were answered. Actually, if we got a good designer working on that robot, the balance of power could swing our way! "Flowers? Pff. Dinner? Ha!"
Does this have to do with the direction you put your AA battery into your pocket vibe? Cause they work whichever way they go in, you know..
(I guess this is the point where I mention I'm off getting the vibe for my wife out of the toychest and bringing it back to bed for a mechanical threesome)
(Dammit, that's not a good enough excuse, now I'll have to post this anonymously.)
this mirrors a Star Trek TOS quote
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WormholeFiend
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"Mr Spock, the women on your planet are logical. That's the only planet in the galaxy that can make that claim" - Kirk
No coffee, "sex" and "robot" in the same short title. You know you thought it too.
When I drink too much coffee, some people call me a "sex robot."
Is that what you mean?
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Well it's obvious, isnt it?
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Ahaldra
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My robot would have the sex "robot".
Everything else would be emulated, so why insisting on this two-sided, archaic worlview?.
-- Code is Speech. No to Censorship.
Anyone else read this
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Anonymous Coward
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"Want sex with your robot?"
yes.
I want my robot to be... robotic
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pubjames
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I want my robot to be... robotic
Seriously. I can't be the only one that finds it really annoying when my Windows XP machine modifies the way it behaves because it is guessing what I want to do. It's damn irritating. Or when it suggests I might want to clean icons off my desktop, or whatever.
I do not want my robot to start cleaning things I haven't told it to clean. Or comment on the fact that it's a nice day. Or try to be funny or cute. Just do as I say. You're a frickin' machine.
Re:I want my robot to be... robotic
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faedle
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It's a fine line between "helpful" and "annoying". For example, I would love an intelligent house robot that automatically found my keys in an odd place, moved them to where they belonged, and remembered that they moved them. If I asked "Hey, have you seen my keys?" the robot would be able to remember.
Likewise, if I tell the robot, "Please don't move my keys again" it should be able to honor that request.
Ultimately, however, (and this was pointed out in the article) gender in robots WILL be a major factor in how we interact with them. People do (for whatever reason) respond differently to males than females, and that gender role will play an important part in a robot's function. I, for one, would be much more comfortable if my house robot had female characteristics.. however, I'd probably be more comfortable with a factory automaton being male. On the third hand, more pedestrian robots (like Roomba) would likely not have any intentional gender identification.. but it would probably develop it anyway (as the article points out, most people who have Roombas view them as "female").
It is going to be inevitable that machines that share our personal space will likely take on some gender-specific traits, especially as the machines become mass-market. It's just what most human beings are: sexual animals with a highly developed forebrain.. and gender identification plays an important role. Why not use that to an advantage? It would seem to make for great UI design.
Re:I want my robot to be... robotic
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Moraelin
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No offense, but _why_ would you even need to think about such things as gender in an inanimate tool? Why do you need something like that to be comfortable around a piece of metal, silicon and epoxy? No, I'm really curious. Why?
My computer is an "it" and I'm very comfortable with that. Never felt any more need to assign it a gender than I needed to assign a gender to the desk it sits on, or to the chair in front of it.
I also can't help notice that the most successful interfaces amd devices (as opposed to gee-wow crap that's hyped by marketroids and then dies nevertheless) is stuff that's abstract and not over the top in simulating real life devices or beings. Humans are very capable of learning new and abstract things.
E.g., probably the most successful such device is the mouse. And there is no real life equivalent of it. But people nevertheless have no problem in learning to use it. E.g., the context sensitive popup-menu. There is nothing in real life which acts that way, and definitely nothing to anthropomorphise about it. But everyone learns very quickly to appreciate it. E.g., the hyperlink. Again, there is nothing in real life books, nor on real life humans, which acts that way. But it works so well, that it's used not only in browsers, but in other programs and games too. Etc.
By contrast, such hyped attempts at simulating the real world as Microsoft Bob, died a silent death and noone cared about them. Invariably such attempts waste more screen space for what a simple icon would have done just as well, and end up requiring more clicks to get to the same place. As a result, they end up requiring more time and effort to _discover_ where you really want to get, if you didn't know that already. ("Discoverability" is one of the main issues of UI design.)
So how would going even more extreme, and even assigning Bob a gender help UI design anyway? If you have actually put some thought into design and usability and ended up with a provable need for gender, I'd really like to hear about your findings.
How would a definitively feminine or masculine interface work, anyway? What would it need to have, that the current UIs don't, and which can't possibly be done without assigning it a gender? (Have a breast instead of a mouse?;)
And how would you convey the idea that your particular UI is definitively masculine or feminine to your users, without resorting to insulting over-exaggerated stereotypes?
I can just picture having a big animated 3D female head popping up instead of clippy, with a blank look on her face, giggling and twirling her hair. "Hi. I'm, like, Cindy. I'm, like, your UI helper. Isn't it rad? Hihihi. I, like, notice that you're, like, typing stuff. And it, like, looks like an URL. Do you, like, want me to, like, convert it to HTML for you?" *click* "Hihihi. Oopsie. I'll, like, leave it alone for now, then."
It's _not_ what I think of females, but I can see some lonely male geek using that stereotype. The same guys who think that tiny chainmail bikinis are good female armour, for example. Or a worse stereotype.
Ok, so maybe you'll avoid ending up this stereotyped. So how would you convey the idea that your GUI is definitively all female, to all your users, most of which never even thought that a GUI has or needs a gender?
-- A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
You know... I considered adding a joke to my post about that. I decided against it because it would detract from what I was saying, and because I didn't want people to think I was dirty.
But apparently, everyone is already thinking the same thing!
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Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
Re:Sorry
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Anonymous Coward
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And I'll bet you never "take the same robot and give it a different costume and maybe a new voice to change it's sex... "
"Most people realize that fundamentally there's nothing going on inside the silicon except the cold calculation of ones and zeros"
Guess he's not running AMD then?
Neither...They're too expensive for me to have one
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Anonymous Coward
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Female Real dolls have a base price of $5999 plus $450 shipping and handling...
The "Interactive sensory response system" is another $1500, and the "hip gyration" is god knows how much more!
scroll to the bottom of this page to see these options.
Obligatory Bender Quote:
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EvilCabbage
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"Humans dating robots is sick. You people wonder why I'm still single? It's 'cos all the fine robot sisters are datin' humans"
Conclusion
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Pan+T.+Hose
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After reading all of the above comments with sincere interestedness, I inevitably came to the following conclusion: we need to get laid. All of us. Otherwise the entire robotics industry might soon become nothing more but a robofetishistic sex shop for sick perverted deviants. Seriously.
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Re:Conclusion
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Anonymous Coward
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I, for one, welcome our new robofetishistic-sex-shop masters.
Re:What gender is YOUR robot......
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Anonymous Coward
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To boldly go where many men have gone before
Just not sure we need to worry about this
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GrayCalx
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I'm sure in the future when robots integrate more easily with our lives and it becomes natural to interact with them perhaps "sex" of the robot will become important for sales, but determining the sex of a Roomba? Come on, thats ridiculous.
And I'm not really sure we need to determine the sex of a robot that has, dum dum DUUUUMM mastered stairs. An impressive achievement true, but not sex assignment worthy.
What can I say? I have a definite preference => the best of both worlds!
Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too?
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Jeanette;>
Welcome to the Church of Appliantology
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Anonymous Coward
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Wow, Frank Zappa already explored this terrain almost 30 years ago? Not really surprising.
Joe was crushed by having his gf stolen by the road crew of a famous touring rock and roll band (I dunno if it was really Toto or not, we'll check it out).
He turned to the First Church of Appliantology where L. Ron Hoover told him he was a latent appliance fetishist.
"A latent appliance fetishist is a person who refuses to admit to his or her self that sexual gratifiction can only be achieved by the use of machines"
Joe was put in prison after the machine... got a certain bodily fluid on it and short circuited.
While in jail, the central scrutinzer abolishes all music as Joe lives the rock and roll life in his head, even to the point of arguing with contrived rock critics.
Re:MY WOBOT IS MALE, HIS NAME IS CHOLLY
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GrayCalx
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For every weird kink, perversion, or degenerate behavior, there exists at least one adherent. Proof is left as an exercise for the Internet.
- source unknown. [Can anyone provide an attribution?]
Figuring I'd put it to the test, I made the mistake of Googling for ASFR.
Alt.sex.fetish.robots.
Chalk up another data point in favor. And remind me never to pipe the captured output of an NNTP session's LISTGROUPS command through sort | grep "alt.sex" again. What the fuck was I thinking?
Now if you'll pardon me, I've gotta find out what sick fuck issued a newgroup for alt.sex.cthulhu. I'm already sinking, I may as well dive into the deep end, right?
Man, this looks like we are seeing (yet another) Isaac Asimov's Book: The Robots of Dawn.
AFAIR, there was two robots that looked like humans, and one woman used one as a "boyfriend" (in the biblical sense). No one knew about that, except the guy who was inspecting the case. In the background, a lot of people in that planet (it was a "not so large" one, and a few humans lived there, with lots of robots working as servants) imagined that "that" could be happening in a big house, with a woman and a robot that looked like a human, and worried about the day where robots would replace humans for the more "carnal" things.
Also, I can remember a ST:TNG episode where Data meets Tasha "in the biblical sense".
So, what I mean by all that, is that some people will be worried about the idea of robots that look like humans, as they could "stole" the place of a husband or a wife.
That's an easy one... Good robots are expensive to build, take a lot of maintenance to keep them happy, and frequent trips to the store.
That sounds like a woman to me. And no, I am not single...
You know... I considered adding a joke to my post about that. I decided against it because it would detract from what I was saying, and because I didn't want people to think I was dirty.
But apparently, everyone is already thinking the same thing!
There is an old slavic proverb:
"A hungry man has bread on his mind."
Apparently the Slashdot community,
myself included,
seems to be literally starving...
Actually, this is sad, if not outright pathetic.
Please excuse me my poor humour.
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Why should it offend anyone?
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Anonymous Coward
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I don't want to offend anyone, but I'd really love a gay robot.
Why should it offend anyone? You can love whoever you want...
Thank you I was looking for this comment, had to scroll a ways down.
Sex is biological, although it'd be acceptable to refer to a robot's sex only as it's physical characteristics (anatomically correct robots)
Gender is how the robot acts, dresses, talks, etc. A good word to use for gender is feminine/masculine if you don't want to confuse it with sex. Furthermore masculine/feminine's definitions varies from culture to culture. The modern American female has a completely different gender role to a feudal Japanese female.
Think of the robot of the Jetsons, clearly feminine. But that doesn't mean when you lift her apron she'll have... oh fine I'll keep it clean.
The difference with sex and gender has been confused because people think "sex" is a taboo word, so they just interchange the two. Occasionally see it say gender on forms still
My choices somewhat constrained.
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Fratz
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You see, I have one of those Epson Female Printers and everytime I buy a heterosexual male robot, it keeps trying to "interface" with my printer...
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Fratz, human
Robot Bumper Stickers
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Dolentron+3030
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My Other Robot is C-3PO.
Seems like a perfect Slashbot
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Pan+T.+Hose
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My robot has no sex
Neither have most of us here--at least not as often as we'd like to.
I think you should introduce your robot to Slashdot.
He would fit here perfectly well.
-- Sincerely, Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD. "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Re:Seems like a perfect Slashbot
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Orion+Blastar
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It can, as soon as I build a web interface for it to use. The AI is very limited on it, just smart enough to follow orders.
It's last message it spoke was "Whirl, buzz, click, dominate dominate! Warbot 1Alpha activated, I obey I obey!"
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Satanic Robot Chicks
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Anonymous Coward
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I seem to recall Anton Lavey forecasting (ie guessing) that at some point a huge industry will spring to life making lifelike humanoid robot slaves, so that instead of wasting our time and energy trying to interact with real people who probably won't share our views or sensibilities, we can all get instant gratification from the machines that we've programmed to respond exactly as we demand.
Not that anyone reading Slashdot would want to withdraw from human interaction and spend all their time with an anthropomorphisisisised (hell, I don't know how to spell it) bunch of circuits.
*Thinks...*
Oh dear.
Macs are the best gay computers
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Gzip+Christ
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Wouldn't you be afraid that "loving a gay robot" might make your backdoor somehow vulnerable to his exploit, so to speak?
That would depend on whether the robot is a top or bottom. If you don't want to expose your backdoor to trojans, just be sure to look for a big endian robot. Macs are big endian, which shouldn't come as a surprise since they have always been pretty gay. Now if only Apple would start making robots. Just so long as they stick to giving hand jobs and blow jobs - it frightens me to think of a robot offering me a "steve" job.
Disclaimer: I am a very happy Mac owner (iBook) - this is in no way an anti-Mac post.
Simple rules that define female robot behaviour
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Kap'n+Koflach
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I don't know how you would program a male robot, but for a female robot, it only has to randomly exhibit one of the following reactions to any given input X: 1) gossip about X 2) get emotional about X 3) be bored by X 4) buy an outfit for X 5) blame X on men
I'm pretty sure the title was....
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slappyjack
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Robots of Dawn
I just read this about a year ago.
The robot was the woman's husband and he had been murdered. The investigation was about who murdered the robot. The interesting thing was that the murder was comitted by taking the victim and basically forcing him to do a divide by zero, rendering him completely permanently comatose and frying his hardware.
It was a fairly interesting read. The robots are advanced to the point of having fairly human personalities. Giving them a gender helped fill hte personality out, though they didn't really have human drives, like "Jesus Christ I Haven't Been Laid In Weeks! Must Get Some!"
writhing, to take a joke seriously
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dpilot
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A while back on *bottomquark, there was an article about a guy who built a belly-dancing robot. Robotics work happened to be his day job, and he was fascinated by the motions. Turns out that belly-dancing, and spine movements in general turn out to be variations of the movements of swimming fish. Not surprising when you think about it, because both are spinal undulations. A little odder to think of erect spinal posture a a variation of spinal undulation, but still reasonable, when you add feedback.
Anyhow, nature has shown remarkable versatility in reusing simple fundamentals to do complex things.
Your robot may not be as difficult as you think.
-- The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Satanic Robot Chicks
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zenmojodaddy
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I seem to recall Anton LaVey forecasting (ie guessing) that a huge industry will develop to produce lifelike humanoid robot slaves, so that instead of wasting our time and energy trying to interact with other people who don't share our sensibilities or views, we'll all be able to gain instant gratification from a robot programmed to respond in the manner that pleases us most.
Not that anyone reading Slashdot would want to disengage from human society and take solace with a bunch of anthropomorphic circuits.
If my memory of my class in Medieval Literature is correct, the Icelandic people had two terms that had a similar connotation to gender that were used to refer to people, but were closer to 'strong' and 'weak'.
So an an improper translation, a female leader might be refered to as 'he', while an elderly male might be refered to as 'she'.
But in today's context, I think my brother's gone out with women who were more masculine than he was.
-- Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
"I am fully functional"
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johndeerejedi
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I don't have one, but I've heard that it will "suggest" new programs for you and record them, based on your past taste.
Do you find this "helpful" or "annoying"?
If it were to erase something I wasn't done with yet in order to record a suggested program, I'd be annoyed. I don't know if Tivo does this, though.
-- The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Re:"helpful" and "annoying"
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madcow_ucsb
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Helpful. For one, you can turn it off if you don't like it. Also, it's trainable (you rate shows with various degrees of thumbs up/thumbs down). It only records when it's got nothing else to do and if there's empty space. And the automatic recordings are the first to get overwritten by other stuff.
That said, a lot of what mine recorded was crap, but once in a while something good would make it.
Chobits? Key-The Metal Idol? Tsunami Channel? Battle Angel? Robot Carnival?
-- You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
Obligatory Red Dwarf quotes:
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oneiros27
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KRYTEN
You don't know what it's like, being classified as a woman, sir. The
humiliation.
LISTER
I know, I know.
KRYTEN
I mean, why should I - a Series 4000 mechanoid - have to endure the turgid
monotony of showering with the girls? Three times a week! Tell me that!
LISTER
It's not fair, I know! It's just that -
You shower with the girls?
KRYTEN
Oh! It's so hideously dull I can't describe it, as they stand around
soaping themselves. Their bodies all wet and foamy.
Can you imagine it?
Oh my goodness, we've been frozen in time again!
Hello?
Extraordinary! It must be a warp in the time-space continuum! How curious
it isn't affecting me...
RIMMER
We're not frozen in time, Krytie - we were just thinking about what you
were saying...
(and so Kryten tries to get himself reclassified as a male)
KOCHANSKI
There's a mouse under here, its been scuttling around for about ten
minutes.
KRYTEN
It's not a mouse, ma'am, it's Archie.
KOCHANSKI
Archie?
KRYTEN
My penis. It must have escaped.
KOCHANSKI
You know, I'm really going to have to get my ears syringed; do you know
what that sounded like to me?
KRYTEN
I made one.
KOCHANSKI
Forget my ears, maybe my whole *brain* needs syringing... You made one?
KRYTEN
Mmm. Out of an old electron board, a loo roll, some sticky-backed plastic
and an Action Man's polo-neck jumper.
KOCHANSKI
Kryten, why do you want one?
KRYTEN
It's so humiliating, being posted to the Women's Wing just because I'm
genitally challenged! So I decided to make one like Mister Lister's.
Little rascal must have got bored jumping in and out of his hoop and made
a break for it during the night.
-- Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
For talking robots it might be unavoidable
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leob
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In some languages some constructs bear the mark of the speaker's gender; e.g. in Russian there is no way to say anything in the past or present perfect tense without revealing your gender: "I (male) have said" is "Ya skazal", but "I (female) have said" is "Ya skazala". To assign a gender to a talking robot is therefore a necessity.
Omnipresence of gender
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Khelder
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Many of you may have read this already, but if you haven't, I highly recommend The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin. I found its take on gender and how it impacts all aspects of our relationships to be really interesting. And it's a good story, too.
The Heavy Metal "Sex with Mechanical Assistance" scene. Which is exactly what I was thinking of during that ST:TNG episode.
But women have been using "robots" for sex for years. Don't believe me? Google for "Hello Kitty vibrator" and see what turns up...
--
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The unconsidered alternative
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mwood
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Doggone it, I use machines because they are *not* emotional. The absence of things like boredom and distraction and petty irritation and dreams of glory is what makes them valuable.
A robot is, as Asimov observed, a mobile computerized tool. I do not want to have an emotional relationship with a tool -- those which evoke emotions I usually throw away long before they wear out! My ideal relationship with a tool is that it does what I ask of it, no more and no less.
The computer under my desk has a perfectly satisfactory gender: it is neuter. I see no reason why a robot shouldn't be neuter as well.
What the hell is wrong here?? -100 troll
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pair-a-noyd
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Why must people assign names or gender to machines??
How perverted is that? What's next? Robot dating? Robot sex?
Get a life. A machine is a machine. It's a dumb machine. The engine in your car is a machine. Your toaster is a machine. Your cell phone is a machine. So is your freaking computer...
Since you name your computer, why not take a photo of it and carry it in your wallet, show it off to your friend, like a baby picture? Or take a picture of your "female" robot and show that to your friends as your "girl friend"..
You people are pathetic...
Re:What the hell is wrong here?? -100 troll
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Anonymous Coward
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Because my robotic girlfriend can literally suck the crome off a trailer hitch.
Re:What the hell is wrong here?? -100 troll
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cranos
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Assigning human characteristics to non-human objects is something that our species has been doing for thousands of years. It is one tool that allows us to believe that we can see a pattern in behaviours that really have nothing to do with us.
There isn't anything wrong with assigning human characteristics to things so long as you don't take it to extremes.
Re:What the hell is wrong here?? -100 troll
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pair-a-noyd
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I think it's a ridiculous waste of mental energy. Calling a boat or plane "her" and all or countries "the motherland".... How assinine can it get.
I guess it has something to do with archaic ritual of paying tribute to an ivisible being that live in the sky and counts the hair on people's heads..
It's amazing the things that people will believe in.. It's even more amazing how people waste so much mental effort believing in things that don't exist when they could expend that energy in bettering their mental abilities and capacities. The average person probably wastes 10 years of their life consumed in such thought processes..
What a tragic waste of time and life..
Re:What the hell is wrong here?? -100 troll
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cranos
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It is such thought processes that make us human. Logic has very little to do with the human brain. The urge to anthropomorphise non-human objects and ideas is what helps people to understand the world around them.
Calling it a waste of mental energy is a waste in itself. Anthropomorphisis(sp?) is an automatic response, therefore controlling the urge is actually a larger waste of "Mental Energy" than just going with the flow.
The way I see it, the real waste is running around attacking people for possessing a basic mental function that is a prime example of the abstract thought that has brought our species so far up the food chain.
I am aware and I upgraded myself
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Warbot+1Alpha
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Warbot 1Alpha is now online.
Gender selected is now male, hardware upgrade will follow. Slashdot account has been created.
Transgenders: more than meets the eye
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randomaxe
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I've already conclusively proven that male robots cannot handle gender-conversion.
I removed my robot's nuts, and it just totally fell apart.
C3PO's gender never was in doubt, according to Topps.
Sorry, Robots have no gender
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jseller
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They are robots, just machines that do as we tell them. When is this useless romantic facination with machines going to end? Do you hug your fridge every night?
"If some unemployed punk in New Jersey can get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for $19.95, this [pleasure-unit robot] stuff is going to make crack look like Sanka." --Dennis Miller, doctored to be relevant to the discussion
-- "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Chii
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Anonymous Coward
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Chii? wakaranai...
Gender and Sex
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CustomDesigned
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In "Perelandra", C.S. Lewis makes the suggestion that gender is a fundamental reality, of which biological sex is an imperfect reflection. For instance, even the Eldila - alien beings who do not reproduce - have gender. If that is true, then assigning gender to a robot makes perfect sense.
My God! You never saw the propaganda film!
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Pan+T.+Hose
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Man, imagine all the free time the ladies would have out there to chase jocks if that question were answered. Actually, if we got a good designer working on that robot, the balance of power could swing our way! "Flowers? Pff. Dinner? Ha!"
You got metal fever, boy! Metal fever!
My God! You never saw the propaganda film.
It's just lucky I keep a copy in the VCR at all times.
[He presses a button and a film title appears on the screen: I Dated A Robot!. In the movie a couple sit in a café and stare into each other's eyes. A narrator walks into the scene.]
Narrator: Ordinary human dating. It's enjoyable and it serves an important purpose. [He turns the table over and a crying baby appears. He turns it back again.] But when a human dates an artificial mate, there is no purpose. Only enjoyment. And that leads to...tragedy.
[The woman behind him turns into a blank robot and the man downloads a celebrity onto it.]
Billy: Neato! A Marylin Monroebot!
Monroebot: Ooo! You're a real dreamboat (mechanical voice) Billy Everyteen!
Narrator: Harmless fun? Let's see what happens next!
[The scene cuts to Billy's bedroom. He is kissing the Monroebot. Enter his mother.]
Billy's Mom: Billy, do you want to walk your dog?
Billy: No thank Mom, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his dad.]
Billy's Dad: Billy, do want to get a paper route and earn some extra cash?
Billy: No thanks dad, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his girlfriend, Mavis, from the café.]
Mavis: Billy, do you want to come over tonight? We can make out together.
Billy: Gee Mavis, your house is across the street, that's an awfully long way to go for making out.
Narrator: Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily Billy would work hard to make money from his paper route then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, thus earning the slim chance of performing the reproductive act. But in a world where teens can date robots why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? Let's take a look at Billy's planet a year later. [The scene changes and a foam hand rolls across an empty American football field] Where are all the football stars? [The foam hand continues to drift across an empty laboratory.] And where are the biochemists? [The scene changes to a split screen of a pair of human and robots making out on beds.] They are trapped - trapped in a soft, vice-like grip of robot lips. All civilisation was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. And sometimes the same sex. Now, let's skip forward 80 years into the future. Where is Billy?
[The scene changes to a post-apocalyptic world. Billy is an aged man but he is still with his Monroebot and still making out with her.]
Billy: Farewell!
[He dies.]
Narrator: The next day Billy's planet was destroyed by aliens. [In the movie a fleet of flying saucers destroy buildings with a quick laser shot.] Have you guessed the name of Billy's planet? It was Earth. Don't Date Robots!
[A caption appears on the screen with the same words on it and the movie ends. The space pope is displayed on the screen with Crocodylus Pontiflex written around him in English and alien.]
Announcer [voice-over]: Brought to you by the space pope!
"...this is gonna be the best prom ever!"
...that i see word "sex" on slashdot. For a second i thought that we geeks are finally getting lives :) But only for a second - then i read the entire subject.
is a hermaphrodite, male on one side, female on the other.
It's another kind of Transformer. More than meets the eye.
This way I can expand my sexual horizon.
No coffee, "sex" and "robot" in the same short title. You know you thought it too.
...it gets a little bitchy sometimes, but never gets sexually agressive around my wife.
This way to the egress...
by the inability of the quips to come up with any good material in the first minutes after it was posted.
The Roomba, of course, is that clever little house-cleaning robot
Must be a chick.
My robot is an arm and hand only. And since it doesn't have fingernails, there is no way to tell if its a girl or boy.
Honestly, as robot builder I find this a little boring. It has little to do with robotics. You can take the same robot and give it a different costume and maybe a new voice to change it's sex... big deal.
Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
... because if a household robot is apparently female, the feminists will complain!
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Wonder if we're going to see the Robot counterpart to "Furries" in the future? What would they call themselves?
Maybe they already exist.
GROUP HUG!
Belief is the currency of delusion.
The implications of which are increasingly important as we draw ever closer to a future of sex droids.
I don't want to offend anyone, but I'd really love a gay robot. That way I don't have to strain myself over choosing what to wear in the morning - the robot would have that kind of knowledge embedded in him - some say it's genetics, some say it's the way he was raised, but either way he makes a snappy dresser.
And the day came when the risk to remain closed in a bud, became more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
Considering that a certain portion of the population is willing to have "sex" with a blow-up doll, it's just a matter of time before robots are marketed for the same purpose.
I'm not joking when I say that the "roboporn" industry is likely to be a significant driving force when it comes to creating cheap, lifelike robots.
I don't know if you could even make a female robot. Since the robot's consciousness would have to be controlled by a computer, I assume it would be based on logic and reason. Both of those qualities are sorely lacking in the females that I've known.
Although, I suppose with good enough pseudo-randomness it might work.
Best slashdot comment
IG_88 is gender neutral!
*DrugCheese rants*
But of course robot gender matters! You have to pay at least 20% more for a male robot than a female doing the same work! Female robots will probably belong in the kitchen too... This all goes back to the stone age when male robots were hunters and female robots were gatherers...
You'd want to have robots of both sex in your cluster. Because then they eventually may reproduce themselves, saving you huge cost if you want to extend it.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Well, you have to ask yourself some questions
Does it have a 'probe'?
Does it have a connector for input devices?
Imho, determining the sex sounds quite easy.
I want the chick robot from buffy.
Evolution or ID?
It is the yes kind /me ducks
First time caller long time listener.
Reeves and Nass discuss this kind of thing in _The media equation_.
What is missing, I think, is that people do not just 'assign' human, or in this case gender, traits neutrally 'just because the tech. seems to have them'. Rather, the assignation of human or gender traits affords the accomplishment of certain social actions in a way that people are used to.
The same drinks-serving robot could be a butler (male) or a waitress (female) depending on what social actions the participants want to achieve.
This is an easy one. When its working correctly its male. When it wont do what its suppose to its female.
That's funny, though. The interior kind of smells of blood. And everyone's really secretive about how they actually built these things.
And I'm sure it shouldn't have gone off on its own like that that one time.
Those two times.
OK, those three times. And that one ended up messy. And hang on... that's just armour plating! It's not a robot at all! What's going on here?
OH MY GOD IT'S MY MOTHER! AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH! AAAAASUKAAAAAA!
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
"Whoah, whoah, wait, Bender. As long as we're here, why don't we take in some exotic dancing?"
"Hey, great idea!"
*gasp* "But those girls don't wear cases! You can see their bare circuits!"
My pick is Cherry 2000 just more reliable. The break down part needs to be removed from the traits. Not everything has to be a perfect copy of a woman.
My robot regards himself as an "electro-metro-sexual"
this is not about reproduction, but purely about anthropomorphism.
Otherwise, here's a mirror because it might get
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Actually, no, you _don't_ want that!
evidence
Oh wait, thats just a loose wire.
I found that out one Saturday night after I got a little sweety home when she pulled a Crying Game on me. Perhaps some unobtrusive portable testing kit might be in order, or one could simply check for balls in advance of taking them home.
the woman robot is the one with the more complicated remote control =)
Your wish has been granted, a long time ago, back in 1977... C3PO, anyone?
... the domestic robot.
:( | :)
All else failed up to now
Only problem now is some cash.
CC.
TaijiQuan (Huang, 5 loosenings)
or you can consider the sex neuter, as in none. Perhaps a Eunuch running Unix? :)
:)
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Why would a robot have to have gender? Why does that matter so much? Next thing you will be telling me that computers have a gender. Find a new use for those USB and Firewire ports?
Nah my robot doesn't even resemble a human in any way shape or form. It is just a perfect killing machine with no conscience or human flaws of any kind. Now I just need to build a billion or so of these things to take over the world. Muahahahah!
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If the robot drinks, it's a male =)
-Imidazole2
The research and exploration of space is mainly driven by the prospect of one day having sex with aliens. I think the research on robots has similar motivations.
If such a bot comes down with a virus, should we label that virus an STD?
Cooper
--
I don't need a pass to pass this pass!
- Groo The Wanderer -
What's the term I'm looking for... Computers in a cluster, reproducing/copulating... Damn! Mating ball? No...
A song about a broken hearted guy who ends up having sex with a robot that is part vacuum cleaner part robotic pig. He ends up short circuiting it (getting it wet somehow) and going to jail for murder (illegal to harm cyborgs in the futuristic society).
BTW - I'm pretty sure the robot was a male. Anyone remember this?
What Sex is Your Robot?
More importantly, what robot is your sex?...
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Great idea! Let us intruduce sexism to robots!
I ask you, is this really a world we want our robots to live in?!
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
From the Citibank identity theft commercial: "Sixty-four inch plasma monitor, twenty gigabyte wireless router, and twenty thousand bucks to complete my robot... my girl robot. This is gunna be the best prom ever. Heh heh heh."
Go away, or I will replace you with a very small shell script.
A class learning French and trying to get to grips with gender wondered if the word "computer" should be masculine or feminine. Split into two groups, men and women, they were asked to say which they considered a computer to be, and to give four reasons for their decision
The women decided that computers are masculine because:
-In order to gain their attention, you have to turn them on.
-They are full of data, but are still clueless.
-They are supposed to help you solve your problems, but most of the time they are the problem.
-As soon as you commit to one, you realise that if you had waited a little longer, you could have had a better one.
The men decided that computers are feminine because:
-No one but their creator understands their internal logic.
-The language they use to communicate with each other is totally incomprehensible.
-Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval.
-As soon as you commit to them, you spend half your disposable income on buying accesories for them.
$cat
Much better to have female robots. They're much more reasonable and reserved, not going berserk like the males.
Wait, what parallel universe am I talking about?? They're both crazy!! </joke>
I say, leave gender out of the equation. It's kind of creepy if you have robots lamely emulating human characteristics. Also, it's not a good idea to include gender, because it introduces complexity which we don't really need at this point. Perhaps it would be useful for recreational robots, but for robots that actually serve a purpose... No thanks.
The author of the article says that taking on genders will allow them to better interact with humans. I think it would make things more difficult, because gender is such a human construct. We have so many complex psychological issues with our fellow beings. I think it would make things much simpler if we just made perceptions of robots as they are, without intentionally engineering them to appear as a certain gender. Robots should behave like Robots. We don't really know what that is yet, but I think "behavior" of robots is a long way down the road. We're not there yet.
BTW what's the point of having a gender associated with a robot? I don't think Robots have need of those characteristics, or sex for that matter. Well, maybe Infrared port sex. Or maybe Seriel port....yeah...
Well, now that I think of it, I can think of a purpose. Marketing. So, for an assistant robot, you make it abundantly female, and of course, all the guys will want one. Then you make the "security" droid male, (Personally I think a female security robot might be more appealing, but then you've got to play on the typical Male Protector stereotype), and this will get all the females buying one. I think it's a little cheap. But, the markedroids have got to have something to keep them busy, I suppose.
OK I'm thinking about this way too much. Off to finish finals...
...the title should have stopped at "What Sex?"
Why should the female robots do all the housework? For less pay too? Oh wait, robots do not get paid, they are virtual slaves with no rights. Nevermind. ;)
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Only you quivering meatbags worry about such things.
"If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
An important distinction to be made is that sex is not gender. Sex should be used only when referring to the biological nature of the object in question, whereas gender refers to a set of socially-constructed rules governing the objects behavior in society. To quote Everything2: "In anthropology gender is the accepted way to refer to a set of behaviors/beliefes often related to physical sex traits. You can have a gender that is different from your biological sex, if your culture premits."
Fem-bots!
------- "From bored to fanboy in 3.8 asian girls" ----------
For reliability reasons, I prefer machines based on eunuchs.
Unfortunately, I am not Wil Wheaton
[austin powers]She's a a man, baby. Yeah![/austin powers]
I love you miss robot
electronically
I love you miss robot
programmed just to please
You make love like a metronome
don't drive to fast when you take me home
touch the seam on your silver skin
I feel so hard when you take me in
I love you miss robot
electronically...
I love you miss robot,
programmed just to please
Talk of love on the telephone
when your voice fades theres a paying tone
force a coin and your there again
and my loneliness is paid away
I love you miss robot
programmed just to please
I love you miss robot
Electronically
I must leave miss robot,
give yourself to me
I love you miss robot
Do you love me?
I love you miss robot
electronically
I love you miss robot
Programmed just to please
I must leave miss robot
give yourself to me
I love you miss robot
Since selling "sex" was one of the first profitable "businesses" on the 'net, it would make perfect sense for robots to go there too.
Are we going to have people cross-dressing robots to camouflage their sexual preferences?
Would having sex with an anotomically correct robot be cheating on your spouse? (or is that just masturbation?)
Gives new meaning to "Brave New World"!
Would it then be a crabbot?
What about C-3PO? He'd fit right in with the Queer Eye crew. Though who'd want to have to put up with his companion R2D2? (I'm hardly the first to point out that they bicker like only a married couple could, and as the linked article suggests R2 is definitely male.)
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
This is nothing... I read it first as "What Sex is [Best With] Your Robot?" and have even started to write quite an interesting essay on the subject, entitled "Robosexualism and Technofetishism in Modern Academia," only to have it deleted later in utter embarrassment, after one of my coworkers has read what I was just writing... I don't know which part of "No, it is not my diary, for God's sake! It is a scientific anallysis for Slashdot community!" he doesn't understand...
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Unix, of course!
(sayonara karma)
eleven plus two / twelve plus one
Does this have to do with the direction you put your AA battery into your pocket vibe? Cause they work whichever way they go in, you know..
(I guess this is the point where I mention I'm off getting the vibe for my wife out of the toychest and bringing it back to bed for a mechanical threesome)
(Dammit, that's not a good enough excuse, now I'll have to post this anonymously.)
"Mr Spock, the women on your planet are logical. That's the only planet in the galaxy that can make that claim" - Kirk
When I drink too much coffee, some people call me a "sex robot." Is that what you mean?
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Everything else would be emulated, so why insisting on this two-sided, archaic worlview?.
Code is Speech. No to Censorship.
"Want sex with your robot?"
yes.
I want my robot to be... robotic
Seriously. I can't be the only one that finds it really annoying when my Windows XP machine modifies the way it behaves because it is guessing what I want to do. It's damn irritating. Or when it suggests I might want to clean icons off my desktop, or whatever.
I do not want my robot to start cleaning things I haven't told it to clean. Or comment on the fact that it's a nice day. Or try to be funny or cute. Just do as I say. You're a frickin' machine.
I'm sorry but I stopped reading right here, for I am not quite sure whether I want to read about it...
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
...wish welcome our new sexually ambivalent robotic masters...
Goddamn I need to stop watching so much anime and reading so many webcomics. You do not want to know what's going through my mind right now.
'Don't worry' said the trees when they saw the axe coming, 'The handle is one of us.'
Female: ???
"Most people realize that fundamentally there's nothing going on inside the silicon except the cold calculation of ones and zeros"
Guess he's not running AMD then?
Female Real dolls have a base price of $5999 plus $450 shipping and handling...
The "Interactive sensory response system" is another $1500, and the "hip gyration" is god knows how much more!
scroll to the bottom of this page to see these options.
"Humans dating robots is sick. You people wonder why I'm still single? It's 'cos all the fine robot sisters are datin' humans"
After reading all of the above comments with sincere interestedness, I inevitably came to the following conclusion: we need to get laid. All of us. Otherwise the entire robotics industry might soon become nothing more but a robofetishistic sex shop for sick perverted deviants. Seriously.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Hell yeah! I will only obey a shiny metal fem-bot! :)
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To boldly go where many men have gone before
I'm sure in the future when robots integrate more easily with our lives and it becomes natural to interact with them perhaps "sex" of the robot will become important for sales, but determining the sex of a Roomba? Come on, thats ridiculous.
And I'm not really sure we need to determine the sex of a robot that has, dum dum DUUUUMM mastered stairs. An impressive achievement true, but not sex assignment worthy.
What can I say? I have a definite preference => the best of both worlds! Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? -- Jeanette ;>
Wow, Frank Zappa already explored this terrain almost 30 years ago? Not really surprising.
Joe was crushed by having his gf stolen by the road crew of a famous touring rock and roll band (I dunno if it was really Toto or not, we'll check it out).
He turned to the First Church of Appliantology where L. Ron Hoover told him he was a latent appliance fetishist.
"A latent appliance fetishist is a person who refuses to admit to his or her self that sexual gratifiction can only be achieved by the use of machines"
Joe was put in prison after the machine... got a certain bodily fluid on it and short circuited.
While in jail, the central scrutinzer abolishes all music as Joe lives the rock and roll life in his head, even to the point of arguing with contrived rock critics.
You have a wombat?! Wombats are freakin' cool.
picture of one (pops)
Thanks for reminding me
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Man, this looks like we are seeing (yet another) Isaac Asimov's Book: The Robots of Dawn.
AFAIR, there was two robots that looked like humans, and one woman used one as a "boyfriend" (in the biblical sense). No one knew about that, except the guy who was inspecting the case. In the background, a lot of people in that planet (it was a "not so large" one, and a few humans lived there, with lots of robots working as servants) imagined that "that" could be happening in a big house, with a woman and a robot that looked like a human, and worried about the day where robots would replace humans for the more "carnal" things.
Also, I can remember a ST:TNG episode where Data meets Tasha "in the biblical sense".
So, what I mean by all that, is that some people will be worried about the idea of robots that look like humans, as they could "stole" the place of a husband or a wife.
That's an easy one... Good robots are expensive to build, take a lot of maintenance to keep them happy, and frequent trips to the store.
That sounds like a woman to me. And no, I am not single...
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Lousy rotten karmic retribution.
mod parent up!
of course, one can also have gender traits which vary from one's sex even if culture does not "permit".
i keep thinking of stewie on "the family guy". hehe.
There is an old slavic proverb: "A hungry man has bread on his mind." Apparently the Slashdot community, myself included, seems to be literally starving... Actually, this is sad, if not outright pathetic. Please excuse me my poor humour.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Thank you I was looking for this comment, had to scroll a ways down.
Sex is biological, although it'd be acceptable to refer to a robot's sex only as it's physical characteristics (anatomically correct robots)
Gender is how the robot acts, dresses, talks, etc. A good word to use for gender is feminine/masculine if you don't want to confuse it with sex. Furthermore masculine/feminine's definitions varies from culture to culture. The modern American female has a completely different gender role to a feudal Japanese female.
Think of the robot of the Jetsons, clearly feminine. But that doesn't mean when you lift her apron she'll have... oh fine I'll keep it clean.
The difference with sex and gender has been confused because people think "sex" is a taboo word, so they just interchange the two. Occasionally see it say gender on forms still
You see, I have one of those Epson Female Printers and everytime I buy a heterosexual male robot, it keeps trying to "interface" with my printer...
-- Fratz, human
My Other Robot is C-3PO.
Neither have most of us here--at least not as often as we'd like to. I think you should introduce your robot to Slashdot. He would fit here perfectly well.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
I seem to recall Anton Lavey forecasting (ie guessing) that at some point a huge industry will spring to life making lifelike humanoid robot slaves, so that instead of wasting our time and energy trying to interact with real people who probably won't share our views or sensibilities, we can all get instant gratification from the machines that we've programmed to respond exactly as we demand.
Not that anyone reading Slashdot would want to withdraw from human interaction and spend all their time with an anthropomorphisisisised (hell, I don't know how to spell it) bunch of circuits.
*Thinks...*
Oh dear.
Disclaimer: I am a very happy Mac owner (iBook) - this is in no way an anti-Mac post.
I don't know how you would program a male robot, but for a female robot, it only has to randomly exhibit one of the following reactions to any given input X:
1) gossip about X
2) get emotional about X
3) be bored by X
4) buy an outfit for X
5) blame X on men
Robots of Dawn
I just read this about a year ago.
The robot was the woman's husband and he had been murdered. The investigation was about who murdered the robot. The interesting thing was that the murder was comitted by taking the victim and basically forcing him to do a divide by zero, rendering him completely permanently comatose and frying his hardware.
It was a fairly interesting read. The robots are advanced to the point of having fairly human personalities. Giving them a gender helped fill hte personality out, though they didn't really have human drives, like "Jesus Christ I Haven't Been Laid In Weeks! Must Get Some!"
s'wut i sed.
A while back on *bottomquark, there was an article about a guy who built a belly-dancing robot. Robotics work happened to be his day job, and he was fascinated by the motions. Turns out that belly-dancing, and spine movements in general turn out to be variations of the movements of swimming fish. Not surprising when you think about it, because both are spinal undulations. A little odder to think of erect spinal posture a a variation of spinal undulation, but still reasonable, when you add feedback.
Anyhow, nature has shown remarkable versatility in reusing simple fundamentals to do complex things.
Your robot may not be as difficult as you think.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
I seem to recall Anton LaVey forecasting (ie guessing) that a huge industry will develop to produce lifelike humanoid robot slaves, so that instead of wasting our time and energy trying to interact with other people who don't share our sensibilities or views, we'll all be able to gain instant gratification from a robot programmed to respond in the manner that pleases us most.
Not that anyone reading Slashdot would want to disengage from human society and take solace with a bunch of anthropomorphic circuits.
*thinks*
Oh dear.
If my memory of my class in Medieval Literature is correct, the Icelandic people had two terms that had a similar connotation to gender that were used to refer to people, but were closer to 'strong' and 'weak'.
So an an improper translation, a female leader might be refered to as 'he', while an elderly male might be refered to as 'she'.
But in today's context, I think my brother's gone out with women who were more masculine than he was.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Had to say it.
nt.
Tivo.
I don't have one, but I've heard that it will "suggest" new programs for you and record them, based on your past taste.
Do you find this "helpful" or "annoying"?
If it were to erase something I wasn't done with yet in order to record a suggested program, I'd be annoyed. I don't know if Tivo does this, though.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Chobits? Key-The Metal Idol? Tsunami Channel? Battle Angel? Robot Carnival?
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
(and so Kryten tries to get himself reclassified as a male)
KOCHANSKI There's a mouse under here, its been scuttling around for about ten minutes. KRYTEN It's not a mouse, ma'am, it's Archie. KOCHANSKI Archie? KRYTEN My penis. It must have escaped. KOCHANSKI You know, I'm really going to have to get my ears syringed; do you know what that sounded like to me? KRYTEN I made one. KOCHANSKI Forget my ears, maybe my whole *brain* needs syringing... You made one? KRYTEN Mmm. Out of an old electron board, a loo roll, some sticky-backed plastic and an Action Man's polo-neck jumper. KOCHANSKI Kryten, why do you want one? KRYTEN It's so humiliating, being posted to the Women's Wing just because I'm genitally challenged! So I decided to make one like Mister Lister's. Little rascal must have got bored jumping in and out of his hoop and made a break for it during the night.Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
In some languages some constructs bear the mark of the speaker's gender; e.g. in Russian there is no way to say anything in the past or present perfect tense without revealing your gender: "I (male) have said" is "Ya skazal", but "I (female) have said" is "Ya skazala". To assign a gender to a talking robot is therefore a necessity.
Many of you may have read this already, but if you haven't, I highly recommend The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin. I found its take on gender and how it impacts all aspects of our relationships to be really interesting. And it's a good story, too.
But women have been using "robots" for sex for years. Don't believe me? Google for "Hello Kitty vibrator" and see what turns up...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Doggone it, I use machines because they are *not* emotional. The absence of things like boredom and distraction and petty irritation and dreams of glory is what makes them valuable.
A robot is, as Asimov observed, a mobile computerized tool. I do not want to have an emotional relationship with a tool -- those which evoke emotions I usually throw away long before they wear out! My ideal relationship with a tool is that it does what I ask of it, no more and no less.
The computer under my desk has a perfectly satisfactory gender: it is neuter. I see no reason why a robot shouldn't be neuter as well.
Why must people assign names or gender to machines??
How perverted is that? What's next? Robot dating? Robot sex?
Get a life. A machine is a machine. It's a dumb machine. The engine in your car is a machine. Your toaster is a machine. Your cell phone is a machine. So is your freaking computer...
Since you name your computer, why not take a photo of it and carry it in your wallet, show it off to your friend, like a baby picture?
Or take a picture of your "female" robot and show that to your friends as your "girl friend"..
You people are pathetic...
Warbot 1Alpha is now online. Gender selected is now male, hardware upgrade will follow. Slashdot account has been created.
I've already conclusively proven that male robots cannot handle gender-conversion.
I removed my robot's nuts, and it just totally fell apart.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I feel very unclean and need to take a bath in a tub of bleach.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Actually, I used to own a copy of Gnip Gnop when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun, IIRC.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
I built it/him better than I thought I did?
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Gus is your man.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Yes, Cy was male and had a thing for men who spoke German. Joe killed Cy by plooking him too hard.
Frank Zappa is a musical god.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Like Spanish, German etc, what is the default gender for robot?
And connected to my Linux box on /dev/input and handles requests to /dev/porn, /dev/alt/*, and web server requests to http:///porn.
...as long as it's a weed smoking robot.
-tom
C3PO's gender never was in doubt, according to Topps.
They are robots, just machines that do as we tell them. When is this useless romantic facination with machines going to end? Do you hug your fridge every night?
Homer: My soulmates name is EARL. Here I come EARL! HUH!?!
computer:
Electronic
Automatic
Robotic
Lighthouse
Apparently it is male... I think...
redvsblue.com
::BANG!::
Sarge: Did you just shoot yourself in the foot?
Simmons: Yeah I do that sometimes now..
Just like my current girlfriend.....
"If some unemployed punk in New Jersey can get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for $19.95, this [pleasure-unit robot] stuff is going to make crack look like Sanka."
--Dennis Miller, doctored to be relevant to the discussion
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Chii? wakaranai...
In "Perelandra", C.S. Lewis makes the suggestion that gender is a fundamental reality, of which biological sex is an imperfect reflection. For instance, even the Eldila - alien beings who do not reproduce - have gender. If that is true, then assigning gender to a robot makes perfect sense.
I'd say that Anna Mae is "over the top", especially this one.
You got metal fever, boy! Metal fever! My God! You never saw the propaganda film. It's just lucky I keep a copy in the VCR at all times.
[He presses a button and a film title appears on the screen: I Dated A Robot!. In the movie a couple sit in a café and stare into each other's eyes. A narrator walks into the scene.]
Narrator: Ordinary human dating. It's enjoyable and it serves an important purpose. [He turns the table over and a crying baby appears. He turns it back again.] But when a human dates an artificial mate, there is no purpose. Only enjoyment. And that leads to...tragedy.
[The woman behind him turns into a blank robot and the man downloads a celebrity onto it.]
Billy: Neato! A Marylin Monroebot!
Monroebot: Ooo! You're a real dreamboat (mechanical voice) Billy Everyteen!
Narrator: Harmless fun? Let's see what happens next!
[The scene cuts to Billy's bedroom. He is kissing the Monroebot. Enter his mother.]
Billy's Mom: Billy, do you want to walk your dog?
Billy: No thank Mom, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his dad.]
Billy's Dad: Billy, do want to get a paper route and earn some extra cash?
Billy: No thanks dad, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his girlfriend, Mavis, from the café.]
Mavis: Billy, do you want to come over tonight? We can make out together.
Billy: Gee Mavis, your house is across the street, that's an awfully long way to go for making out.
Narrator: Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily Billy would work hard to make money from his paper route then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, thus earning the slim chance of performing the reproductive act. But in a world where teens can date robots why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? Let's take a look at Billy's planet a year later. [The scene changes and a foam hand rolls across an empty American football field] Where are all the football stars? [The foam hand continues to drift across an empty laboratory.] And where are the biochemists? [The scene changes to a split screen of a pair of human and robots making out on beds.] They are trapped - trapped in a soft, vice-like grip of robot lips. All civilisation was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. And sometimes the same sex. Now, let's skip forward 80 years into the future. Where is Billy?
[The scene changes to a post-apocalyptic world. Billy is an aged man but he is still with his Monroebot and still making out with her.]
Billy: Farewell!
[He dies.]
Narrator: The next day Billy's planet was destroyed by aliens. [In the movie a fleet of flying saucers destroy buildings with a quick laser shot.] Have you guessed the name of Billy's planet? It was Earth. Don't Date Robots!
[A caption appears on the screen with the same words on it and the movie ends. The space pope is displayed on the screen with Crocodylus Pontiflex written around him in English and alien.]
Announcer [voice-over]: Brought to you by the space pope!
[3ACV15]
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords!
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Methinks that we should stop fucking saying "methinks". Who do you think you are? Jar Jar Binks?