Perhaps it is time for you to stop making excuses for piracy. We all know that not every pirated copy is a lost sale. But we can be pretty certain that it does cause some lost sales. That is why most game makers are moving to consoles off of PCs since consoles have a more closed nature to them that prevents piracy.
Really, I have to wonder where you get this sense of entitlement. That you can take what others have worked so hard over. Particularly over these games that cost between $1 and $5. How can you call that cost unreasonable?
If you are going to pirate, fine, do it. I honestly don't care. But don't try to justify piracy as something that is morally right. It isn't, it is wrong. And companies should absolutely be concerned about. I'm sure if this was a business you owned and people were taking without paying you, you would be more sympathetic.
I can understand the point of view, but I still would say that if someone doesn't want to sell it to you, taking it is not the answer. Just find someone who is and move on.
I think about 10% of slashdot readers are more savvy. The rest are slobbering fan boys that have about as much objectivity as a neo-nazi at a black pride parade.
Android commercials have finally just hit. Most people still don't even know what it is. The iPhone has been out for awhile now and has a large user base. This guy is surprised that Android isn't doing well yet? I'm sorry, but he seems like a moron.
I see where you are coming from but... Destruction is easy, true, but very accurate selective destruction is hard. Let's say you want to take out some evil person. You could drop a bomb and kill 1000s around them. Easy. But what if you actually have some form of morals and only want to take them out. It would be nice to have a laser weapon that could be very accurate and not cause a lot of collateral damage. This could give you that capability.
Yeah, it is easier to knock down a building than it is to build it. But it isn't all that easy to destroy one specific part of the building and leave the rest unharmed.
There are plenty of countries that harbor terrorists, have ill-will towards us, and would love to take out our presidents. We aren't attacking them. This was a personal vendetta that screwed up our economy and world standing and did nothing to stop or prevent terrorism. We don't go to other countries to give them freedom. These countries are just going to slip back to the way they were before we were there. It was a disaster no matter how much you want to dress it up.
How can you even talk about U.N resolutions? We probably violated U.N. resolutions by attacking and occupying a country without U.N. consent. Besides, the U.S. writes a lot of the "resolutions" to benefit whatever they want. Does any resolution breaking constitute war and occupation? I guess only for small weak countries. Iraq says they have no weapons and we attack. North Korea, in the mean time, is yelling, "hey, Americans, we have your nuclear weapons right here!". Sanctions being broken left and right...but oh no, let's take the diplomatic road with them.
It's great that you believed what you were fighting for. But you have to be drinking the kool-aid for that to be the case. There really wasn't any real justification for the Iraq war that not only took lives of our troops, but tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocents who got in the way. Collateral damage, right? We sure are for freedom...freeing people from the bonds of their corporal beings.
Why can't they have "an app for that". A web app for iTunes that stores your songs on google's servers or a place to store your pictures. It will play app based video games rather than games we have now. You aren't thinking big enough.
Actually, as far as losing data, I imagine Google does a much better job managing it and backing it up then I ever would. Are you concerned about credit card information? Yeah, that is pretty much out there since I shop online anyways. Actually, if you are connected to a network, your data is pretty much out there.
Google isn't my friend, it is my bff. But I hear tin works real well to protect you from my evil friend.
No, no they don't have to refuse. See, in America we have the freedom of choice. If a game developer chooses to alter the game so that it can sell in China, that is their choice. That is freedom. To call them traitors wins you stupid post of the day. You have freedom of speech so that you can say such things, but I would wish you would use your freedom of speech in ways that aren't sensational and moronic.
You are captain obvious and captain oblivious in the same post. Duh, it is an acronym. But the acronym has a negative connotation to it. I don't care if Recursive Execution To Automatically Rate Derivatives is the best, most descriptive name you have come up with. If it has a negative connotation, maybe you should come up with something better.
I think you are exactly the type of person he was talking about. The Linux zealot that defends his precious software from criticism at all cost. He is basically saying that the UI is done poorly and the people who rabidly defend it are in the minority. And you call him childish for that. You are the one who needs to grow up. Criticism can be constructive you know? The open source community needs to be more open to listening to criticism and trying to address them. That is what Ubuntu does and why it is successful. This attitude that the user is stupid or doesn't get it is juvenile.
Well, the problem is a normal user is going to want an office suite. So it doesn't make any sense at all to not include OO. Just like most people would want Office on their XP machine. Honestly, with the work I do I am fine with vim and wordpad. But I am not really a normal user.
GIMP on the other hand makes less sense. And if you want it, all you need is an apt-get and it is yours. Seems like it makes sense. You make it sound like GIMP is going to die or something.
Not realistic. That would cause another Great Depression. Ask how wonderful that was to the people who loved through it. This sounds like an idea you heard from someone else. It seems like what someone would say to score political points. It sounds nice, but isn't realistic in the slightest. Actually think how things are connected and how much that would screw the whole global economy. You must be a big Fight Club fan.
That really doesn't make sense. People would be freaking out that people were getting money for buying houses they couldn't afford. "But what about ME, I paid my bills on time and this moron gets government money?" Quite frankly, it doesn't matter what Obama does, people in this country freak out. "You mean he BOWED to a foreign leader?" It's all a bunch of noise made by people who don't know any better (but most should).
Yeah, anyone who speaks in absolutes generally doesn't know what they are talking about. I have similar conversations like that as well. It is hard for me to understand their point of view. But then I realize it really isn't their point of view. It is just stuff they repeat from other people without thinking about it. Slashdot loves logic...but politics makes that go out the window for some reason.
Yeah, I don't want full blown socialism but I don't want unchecked capitalism. I think the best thing for the country is a strong middle class that has a good income and is able to spend. Hate to say it, but taking the tax burden off the middle class and laying it more on the upper class is one way to do this. Of course, the upper class has the lobbyists and access that the middle class doesn't have. So we are a bit of a country that only represents the corporations. But because I want a balance, I am an evil socialist and a traitor to my country. The polarization is just awful right now.
Actually, I am not trying to troll Libertarians. I am cheering them on and want them to replace Republicans since that party has gone off the deep end. I just see that as a problem right now for them. They will scream about not taxing anyone and removing all social welfare. But that would just be a disaster and it isn't really electable. But right now the voice of Libertarians seem to be the tea bag movement. They are flipping out on taxes when the majority of them are paying less taxes than they did under Bush. And it sort of has been taken over by Fox News and their agenda.
But don't worry, plenty of the mods modded me down as a troll because they don't agree with me. Sorry for the constructive criticism guys!
Of course, the reality of that is if they didn't do something the stock market would be at 5000 now and we would all be storing our money in our mattress. There is a balance between doing too much and not doing enough. Your last sentence is a popular sentiment on/. and is easy to say. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is different. I think this is the main problem with the Libertarian movement in the U.S....the inability to be realistic about governing the nation. You remove welfare, stimulus, and bailouts and unemployment would be 30% and we would be living in a country like South Africa.
Because we have already had 10s of articles on Slashdot talking about the failure rate of the console. This has been discussed and rehashed a million times on here already. Yeah, the launch boxes had a poor design and a unacceptably high rate of failure. Yes, when you send in a RROD'd 360, they are going to send you a refurbished one back (as is any other electronics company for that matter). Yes, many of us has had it happen to us or to someone we know. But that's the point, that is super old news.
Quite frankly, this article has nothing to do with the RROD. It has to do with people who modded their console to pirate games. There really isn't any other legitimate reason to do it. And it is something that has been done before, so it shouldn't be a surprise that it happened again. The modders knew the risk (or should have) and now are dealing with the consequences.
But really, the reason why MS can still do well, is that they have the best game lineup for traditional gamers (I say it this way since it is obvious Wii has attracted a lot of new/casual gamers). I know that early adopters of consumer electronics often get screwed so I waited a long time to purchase a console with a SKU that had those issues worked out.
But you modded your console and now you pirate "all the time". So you should be happy, MS gave you the excuse you need to break the law and not give money to the developers who make quality games. You lost any moral high ground you could have and I hope they ban you soon.
So one person complaining about this and a link to a thread with another person complaining is a disaster? We don't even know how honest the person is being. You expect someone who pirates games to be honest about what they were doing? Of course not, they are going to lie to the end to try to get their box back on life or make MS look bad since they got caught.
Are there potentially some legitimate people who got hit by this? Of course. But calling it a disaster when you have no idea how many false positives there are is stupid. I could come up with some sob story as well...and the whole...I spent $5200 thing...I find highly suspect. Some people have more money than sense, but even if you were unemployed, you couldn't play that many games. Also, if I spent that much I would be freaking out at MS. This guy seems calm...even says things like he will give it a month before he starts buying again. It is very easy to make something like this up.
I agree with your major point. But I would say piracy is not ok and that is why if you get caught, you have no right to complain. If piracy was ok, that would mean you had the moral high ground to complain that you were punished somehow.
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You failed because your company was stupid enough to think something would sell without advertising. It had nothing to do with DRM or piracy.
Perhaps it is time for you to stop making excuses for piracy. We all know that not every pirated copy is a lost sale. But we can be pretty certain that it does cause some lost sales. That is why most game makers are moving to consoles off of PCs since consoles have a more closed nature to them that prevents piracy.
Really, I have to wonder where you get this sense of entitlement. That you can take what others have worked so hard over. Particularly over these games that cost between $1 and $5. How can you call that cost unreasonable?
If you are going to pirate, fine, do it. I honestly don't care. But don't try to justify piracy as something that is morally right. It isn't, it is wrong. And companies should absolutely be concerned about. I'm sure if this was a business you owned and people were taking without paying you, you would be more sympathetic.
I can understand the point of view, but I still would say that if someone doesn't want to sell it to you, taking it is not the answer. Just find someone who is and move on.
I think about 10% of slashdot readers are more savvy. The rest are slobbering fan boys that have about as much objectivity as a neo-nazi at a black pride parade.
Android commercials have finally just hit. Most people still don't even know what it is. The iPhone has been out for awhile now and has a large user base. This guy is surprised that Android isn't doing well yet? I'm sorry, but he seems like a moron.
I know, it is awful! Piracy having consequences! The sky is falling!
I see where you are coming from but... Destruction is easy, true, but very accurate selective destruction is hard. Let's say you want to take out some evil person. You could drop a bomb and kill 1000s around them. Easy. But what if you actually have some form of morals and only want to take them out. It would be nice to have a laser weapon that could be very accurate and not cause a lot of collateral damage. This could give you that capability.
Yeah, it is easier to knock down a building than it is to build it. But it isn't all that easy to destroy one specific part of the building and leave the rest unharmed.
Plus, its freakin' lasers. Come on.
Are you trying to be snarky or just dumb? We could wipe out every human on earth a few times over with the weapons we have.
There are plenty of countries that harbor terrorists, have ill-will towards us, and would love to take out our presidents. We aren't attacking them. This was a personal vendetta that screwed up our economy and world standing and did nothing to stop or prevent terrorism. We don't go to other countries to give them freedom. These countries are just going to slip back to the way they were before we were there. It was a disaster no matter how much you want to dress it up.
How can you even talk about U.N resolutions? We probably violated U.N. resolutions by attacking and occupying a country without U.N. consent. Besides, the U.S. writes a lot of the "resolutions" to benefit whatever they want. Does any resolution breaking constitute war and occupation? I guess only for small weak countries. Iraq says they have no weapons and we attack. North Korea, in the mean time, is yelling, "hey, Americans, we have your nuclear weapons right here!". Sanctions being broken left and right...but oh no, let's take the diplomatic road with them.
It's great that you believed what you were fighting for. But you have to be drinking the kool-aid for that to be the case. There really wasn't any real justification for the Iraq war that not only took lives of our troops, but tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocents who got in the way. Collateral damage, right? We sure are for freedom...freeing people from the bonds of their corporal beings.
Why can't they have "an app for that". A web app for iTunes that stores your songs on google's servers or a place to store your pictures. It will play app based video games rather than games we have now. You aren't thinking big enough.
Actually, as far as losing data, I imagine Google does a much better job managing it and backing it up then I ever would. Are you concerned about credit card information? Yeah, that is pretty much out there since I shop online anyways. Actually, if you are connected to a network, your data is pretty much out there.
Google isn't my friend, it is my bff. But I hear tin works real well to protect you from my evil friend.
No, no they don't have to refuse. See, in America we have the freedom of choice. If a game developer chooses to alter the game so that it can sell in China, that is their choice. That is freedom. To call them traitors wins you stupid post of the day. You have freedom of speech so that you can say such things, but I would wish you would use your freedom of speech in ways that aren't sensational and moronic.
You are captain obvious and captain oblivious in the same post. Duh, it is an acronym. But the acronym has a negative connotation to it. I don't care if Recursive Execution To Automatically Rate Derivatives is the best, most descriptive name you have come up with. If it has a negative connotation, maybe you should come up with something better.
I think you are exactly the type of person he was talking about. The Linux zealot that defends his precious software from criticism at all cost. He is basically saying that the UI is done poorly and the people who rabidly defend it are in the minority. And you call him childish for that. You are the one who needs to grow up. Criticism can be constructive you know? The open source community needs to be more open to listening to criticism and trying to address them. That is what Ubuntu does and why it is successful. This attitude that the user is stupid or doesn't get it is juvenile.
Well, the problem is a normal user is going to want an office suite. So it doesn't make any sense at all to not include OO. Just like most people would want Office on their XP machine. Honestly, with the work I do I am fine with vim and wordpad. But I am not really a normal user.
GIMP on the other hand makes less sense. And if you want it, all you need is an apt-get and it is yours. Seems like it makes sense. You make it sound like GIMP is going to die or something.
Not realistic. That would cause another Great Depression. Ask how wonderful that was to the people who loved through it. This sounds like an idea you heard from someone else. It seems like what someone would say to score political points. It sounds nice, but isn't realistic in the slightest. Actually think how things are connected and how much that would screw the whole global economy. You must be a big Fight Club fan.
That really doesn't make sense. People would be freaking out that people were getting money for buying houses they couldn't afford. "But what about ME, I paid my bills on time and this moron gets government money?" Quite frankly, it doesn't matter what Obama does, people in this country freak out. "You mean he BOWED to a foreign leader?" It's all a bunch of noise made by people who don't know any better (but most should).
Yeah, anyone who speaks in absolutes generally doesn't know what they are talking about. I have similar conversations like that as well. It is hard for me to understand their point of view. But then I realize it really isn't their point of view. It is just stuff they repeat from other people without thinking about it. Slashdot loves logic...but politics makes that go out the window for some reason.
Yeah, I don't want full blown socialism but I don't want unchecked capitalism. I think the best thing for the country is a strong middle class that has a good income and is able to spend. Hate to say it, but taking the tax burden off the middle class and laying it more on the upper class is one way to do this. Of course, the upper class has the lobbyists and access that the middle class doesn't have. So we are a bit of a country that only represents the corporations. But because I want a balance, I am an evil socialist and a traitor to my country. The polarization is just awful right now.
Actually, I am not trying to troll Libertarians. I am cheering them on and want them to replace Republicans since that party has gone off the deep end. I just see that as a problem right now for them. They will scream about not taxing anyone and removing all social welfare. But that would just be a disaster and it isn't really electable. But right now the voice of Libertarians seem to be the tea bag movement. They are flipping out on taxes when the majority of them are paying less taxes than they did under Bush. And it sort of has been taken over by Fox News and their agenda.
But don't worry, plenty of the mods modded me down as a troll because they don't agree with me. Sorry for the constructive criticism guys!
Of course, the reality of that is if they didn't do something the stock market would be at 5000 now and we would all be storing our money in our mattress. There is a balance between doing too much and not doing enough. Your last sentence is a popular sentiment on /. and is easy to say. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is different. I think this is the main problem with the Libertarian movement in the U.S....the inability to be realistic about governing the nation. You remove welfare, stimulus, and bailouts and unemployment would be 30% and we would be living in a country like South Africa.
Did you also replace the music with a continuous loop of Chocolate Rain?
Because we have already had 10s of articles on Slashdot talking about the failure rate of the console. This has been discussed and rehashed a million times on here already. Yeah, the launch boxes had a poor design and a unacceptably high rate of failure. Yes, when you send in a RROD'd 360, they are going to send you a refurbished one back (as is any other electronics company for that matter). Yes, many of us has had it happen to us or to someone we know. But that's the point, that is super old news.
Quite frankly, this article has nothing to do with the RROD. It has to do with people who modded their console to pirate games. There really isn't any other legitimate reason to do it. And it is something that has been done before, so it shouldn't be a surprise that it happened again. The modders knew the risk (or should have) and now are dealing with the consequences.
But really, the reason why MS can still do well, is that they have the best game lineup for traditional gamers (I say it this way since it is obvious Wii has attracted a lot of new/casual gamers). I know that early adopters of consumer electronics often get screwed so I waited a long time to purchase a console with a SKU that had those issues worked out.
But you modded your console and now you pirate "all the time". So you should be happy, MS gave you the excuse you need to break the law and not give money to the developers who make quality games. You lost any moral high ground you could have and I hope they ban you soon.
So one person complaining about this and a link to a thread with another person complaining is a disaster? We don't even know how honest the person is being. You expect someone who pirates games to be honest about what they were doing? Of course not, they are going to lie to the end to try to get their box back on life or make MS look bad since they got caught.
Are there potentially some legitimate people who got hit by this? Of course. But calling it a disaster when you have no idea how many false positives there are is stupid. I could come up with some sob story as well...and the whole...I spent $5200 thing...I find highly suspect. Some people have more money than sense, but even if you were unemployed, you couldn't play that many games. Also, if I spent that much I would be freaking out at MS. This guy seems calm...even says things like he will give it a month before he starts buying again. It is very easy to make something like this up.
I agree with your major point. But I would say piracy is not ok and that is why if you get caught, you have no right to complain. If piracy was ok, that would mean you had the moral high ground to complain that you were punished somehow.