Umm, I really don't understand your rant. Are lawyers suffering on the street? Like people said, lawyers (the trial/class action ones) are in it for themselves. I know, I worked for them when I still didn't know what I wanted to do for a living. They don't care how many people dies other than it means a higher chance that they make large bank. The risk is that they don't get paid, the reward is that they become multi-millionaires. The problem is they benefit off the suffering of others and the benefit more than those who suffer. I think it is fine for people to dislike this system and to look down upon the greedy lawyer types.
It's fine that you don't buy it. 100% your choice if you don't like DRM. I just don't care for these people who pirate it on principle and their stupid justifications. But people on here all think they are smarter than the companies. They assume that DRM costs them more sales than if it were DRM free. This is a stupid assumption based on nothing other than the arrogance that the world revolves around them.
I guess I don't consider "game design" or "coding" IT. IT is all the other stuff you described. Server admin, running cables, writing dumb scripts, rebooting servers. Certainly, stuff that gets old pretty quickly for most people.
Then let me answer you. Yes, they have more sales when they have DRM because less people pirate the game. Can we now get to the real debate which is what is the best or least annoying way to implement DRM so it causes problems for the fewest number of people?
There is no human right to eat whatever you want. We live in a society. Their inability to regulate their calorie content costs me since they raise my insurance rates with all of their health problems. They are a drain on society's productivity which is more damaging then reducing the spending power of an individual. I see no problem on taxing foods that make you obese. It isn't like I wouldn't have to pay it as well. Sometime people in a society have to be forced to make changes they don't like for the general good (think abolishment of slavery, women's rights, gay rights). I don't have a problem with people being nudged back in the right direction through taxes or having to pay higher insurance premiums. A healthy, fit society would be far more productive so I think your productivity/human right argument just doesn't fly.
It is becoming pretty clear from all these DRM articles lately that many Slashdotters are extremely arrogant. I say many because I have to assume that is the case when the majority of the comments that are modded up deal with people saying either: DRM is bad and will cost them more customers than if they left it open or DRM will cause the posting Slashdotter to pirate the game. I say this is arrogant because there is just some sort of assumption that what they are saying is factual without any thing to back it up. You may feel that DRM costs them more customers because you won't by it, but more likely it is the case that they ran the numbers and found that not to be true. Also, it is arrogant to think you are morally ok to pirate the game just because they do something you don't like.
I am fine with the people who buy the game than use a cracked version. But the people who just pirate and justify it are just nuts. I actually don't care if you pirate the game, just don't make up stuff saying that what you are doing is right. If people didn't pirate, there wouldn't be DRM. Yet Slashdot blames the companies for adding DRM and openly admit they will pirate the game. This just further justifies their actions. I just don't understand why some of you are so irrational about this. It is like a religious debate where facts and logic have no room to exist.
We don't need analogies to understand things that are simple. In any case, your argument just doesn't hold water. You can do whatever you want with your hardware. Just don't expect Nintendo's updates to work with how you modified your system.
You are an idiot along with the people that mod you up. If people believe that you can sum up the parties stances to those two statements, then they are probably dumb enough to vote for Bush for a third term as well. Your divisive garbage is exactly what is wrong with people these days and it is one of the few things I find offensive. I really hope there is a special level of hell for people like you...you make the world a worse place to live.
Wow. You really don't get it. I'll break it down very simply for you. If you don't like it, don't play it, I really don't care and am not trying to change your mind. But don't tell me how to spend my free time.
with your logic its no point chatting with your spouse or your parents either.
No, that was YOUR logic. You see how stupid it is to tell people what they should do with their free time yet? Sad thing is that by that comment you just proved that you agreed with me but are too stupid to understand. So, I guess I win. Better luck next time.
You are free not to run Nintendo software on it since it breaks your hacks. I don't see them doing anything wrong here. It's your box and you can do anything you want with it. They can't do anything about that unless you let them. Oh, but you want to play their games too. I guess tough for you. They are going patch vulnerabilities in their OS. Or do you think the TP hack was intentional?
Don't feel too bad, new hacks will come out quickly. I am just surprised that you are surprised that this happened.
If they shut down the activation servers, generally they will release a crack so that you don't need it. Or, if they don't, someone else will. So it isn't a big deal you are trying to make it out to be.
It is still DRM (which I don't mind, either). People on this site are still going to bash it, even if the company tries to make it nice. They want to live in this magical world where there is no DRM and games can be copied without restriction. Even though this doesn't make a lick of sense from a business perspective and it would result in most software companies going out of business. This is more of a religious debate than one of logic. They believe something and it blinds them from reality.
Look at the people on this site for an easy counter to your argument.. Plenty freely admit that they pirate and they still complain about the DRM. Most of them probably haven't even had an issue with DRM. They just use it as a justification. I am sure a lot of them pirate games that don't have DRM as well.
Ok, point taken...all drops in sales are not due to piracy. But are you saying that they don't lose any sales due to piracy? And...your argument would be that they lose sale due to DRM. Ok, but you have admit that companies research what will make them the most money. If you don't think they compare: how much we would lose due to piracy vs how much we would lose due to people who don't like DRM...well, then you aren't really thinking about the problem. Instead of looking at it as a bitter Slashdotter, and look at the problem as if you were selling software. If you made a great product, how do you protect it from piracy? How do you maximize your profit?
Then greedy corp x would get little money because people would not put up with it. This really is about piracy, as much as you want to make it something that it isn't. If it was about other things, than Steam wouldn't let you install your game on other machines. You are just using some weird version of the slippery slope argument. Just because you don't know people who has said that DRM has stopped them from pirating isn't proof of your point. Who the hell has that conversation with people anyways? And how is it squeezing you for more money? It is just getting people to buy it who would otherwise just download it for free. The people who don't want to pay for it are always going to pirate it. There are plenty of less technical consumers out there that would pirate it if not for it being inconvenient. I have never bought something twice because of DRM so I have no idea what you are talking about. You are like a Republican radio show host that is arguing a point that doesn't exist instead of having an honest intellectual conversation about the issue.
They need to be backed up with solid empirical evidence based on current conditions justifying those restrictions. Not someone's opinion
Oh, the irony of your statement. All you are doing is spouting off your opinion with no facts. It is a fact that DRM causes some people not to buy a product. It is a fact that DRM prevents some people from pirating the software. If you think companies are so stupid that they aren't doing what they feel is most profitable, then you are fairly naieve. The problem with reading Slashdot all the time is you think most people think like you. Sorry, the majority of people don't even know what DRM is. The potential loss to a company that uses no DRM is a lot greater than the potential loss of pissing off Slashdotters. And if the game is good enough, they will buy it anyways.
The company doesn't care about all your "maybes", they care about the bottom line. This stuff makes sense to you but you have no solid evidence yourself...I guarantee the companies that do this have at least some. The concept of products not existing in the physical world is a new one. Having the ability to distribute it globally in seconds is even newer. DRM comes as an early attempt to protect the company's ability to make a profit. There are less evil ways of doing it than the Mass Effect scheme. No matter what things you make up in your head to say that the company would be better off without DRM, it isn't going to matter. The reality is DRM is here and it isn't going to go away. The best we can hope for is to evolve it to something that bites the least number of people. The morons on this site that pirate are going to pirate no matter what. This is just a convenient excuse. Most of these people have never been bit by the issues they complain about. I actually support the companies that create games. And if people do get bit by DRM...I applaud them for buying the game. I see no problem with them pirating the game after they purchased it. The people who do the free ride thing are the problem. If they didn't exist, then DRM wouldn't either. They are too dumb to understand this though.
Who is surprised it has bugs? It is just surprising, to me anyways, to have such a weird bug. To have a bug like described above, reducing combat speed due to the first character you logged in with being a female, has to mean some pretty horrible coding. How can that even be related. Add the breast side bug in and you get an amusing news story.
It is less about if an MMORPG has bugs...it is just how severe and how quickly the devs respond to the problem.
A lot of what I a find appealing about Obama is that he doesn't have a lot of history. He hasn't been ground down to the cynical, political machine that was everyone else in this election. We had experienced politicians for the last 8 years (well, longer really) and look what they did. They abused the system to fight personal wars that has caused (in part) extreme damage to our economy and our standing to the rest of the world.
McCain doesn't offer any solutions to improve these things. He flat out admits he knows nothing about the economy (while Obama is backed by power houses like Volkner). He wants to continue to fight a war that has no real end or win. Really, we could declare it a win today and it won't be any different if we stay in there 10 more years and declare it a win then. I love how people say we are surrendering...but how can you ever leave Iraq and it not be a surrender? When there is no violence? That's stupid, there will be violence there for a long long time no matter what we do. So yeah, let's get out of there and start spending money on our own country. McCain is very old with an extensive medical history. He better choose a very attractive VP. He also has anger issues. I really want someone who is calm and rational leading this country. Also, he refuses to talk to leaders of other countries. The way he does this is just declare some country a "terrorist" country and then sticks his fingers in his ears. How is not talking to enemies helpful? I would think that would be the first thing I would want to do. I could go on and on about how I think everything about McCain is wrong. All Republicans have is that he lacks experience (valid, but it isn't like he won't be surrounded by brilliant people), his middle name (stupid), and a bunch of other random non-issue things. I am fine with the lack of experience when compared to someone I disagree with on all the major topics (the economy, the war, the deficit).
Slashdot Mirror
Umm, I really don't understand your rant. Are lawyers suffering on the street? Like people said, lawyers (the trial/class action ones) are in it for themselves. I know, I worked for them when I still didn't know what I wanted to do for a living. They don't care how many people dies other than it means a higher chance that they make large bank. The risk is that they don't get paid, the reward is that they become multi-millionaires. The problem is they benefit off the suffering of others and the benefit more than those who suffer. I think it is fine for people to dislike this system and to look down upon the greedy lawyer types.
It's fine that you don't buy it. 100% your choice if you don't like DRM. I just don't care for these people who pirate it on principle and their stupid justifications. But people on here all think they are smarter than the companies. They assume that DRM costs them more sales than if it were DRM free. This is a stupid assumption based on nothing other than the arrogance that the world revolves around them.
Why does everyone say Sins of a Solar Empire doesn't have DRM? It does. It is just less of a pain than most.
I would hope. Storage is different than RAM in my little world.
Because water isn't addictive?
I guess I don't consider "game design" or "coding" IT. IT is all the other stuff you described. Server admin, running cables, writing dumb scripts, rebooting servers. Certainly, stuff that gets old pretty quickly for most people.
The TFA
I don't think TFA means what you think it means.
Then let me answer you. Yes, they have more sales when they have DRM because less people pirate the game. Can we now get to the real debate which is what is the best or least annoying way to implement DRM so it causes problems for the fewest number of people?
I bought an external WD hard drive for $200 that was 1 TB. Yay, it's fast, but it isn't going to be doing much with so little storage.
There is no human right to eat whatever you want. We live in a society. Their inability to regulate their calorie content costs me since they raise my insurance rates with all of their health problems. They are a drain on society's productivity which is more damaging then reducing the spending power of an individual. I see no problem on taxing foods that make you obese. It isn't like I wouldn't have to pay it as well. Sometime people in a society have to be forced to make changes they don't like for the general good (think abolishment of slavery, women's rights, gay rights). I don't have a problem with people being nudged back in the right direction through taxes or having to pay higher insurance premiums. A healthy, fit society would be far more productive so I think your productivity/human right argument just doesn't fly.
It is becoming pretty clear from all these DRM articles lately that many Slashdotters are extremely arrogant. I say many because I have to assume that is the case when the majority of the comments that are modded up deal with people saying either: DRM is bad and will cost them more customers than if they left it open or DRM will cause the posting Slashdotter to pirate the game. I say this is arrogant because there is just some sort of assumption that what they are saying is factual without any thing to back it up. You may feel that DRM costs them more customers because you won't by it, but more likely it is the case that they ran the numbers and found that not to be true. Also, it is arrogant to think you are morally ok to pirate the game just because they do something you don't like.
I am fine with the people who buy the game than use a cracked version. But the people who just pirate and justify it are just nuts. I actually don't care if you pirate the game, just don't make up stuff saying that what you are doing is right. If people didn't pirate, there wouldn't be DRM. Yet Slashdot blames the companies for adding DRM and openly admit they will pirate the game. This just further justifies their actions. I just don't understand why some of you are so irrational about this. It is like a religious debate where facts and logic have no room to exist.
We don't need analogies to understand things that are simple. In any case, your argument just doesn't hold water. You can do whatever you want with your hardware. Just don't expect Nintendo's updates to work with how you modified your system.
You are an idiot along with the people that mod you up. If people believe that you can sum up the parties stances to those two statements, then they are probably dumb enough to vote for Bush for a third term as well. Your divisive garbage is exactly what is wrong with people these days and it is one of the few things I find offensive. I really hope there is a special level of hell for people like you...you make the world a worse place to live.
Wow. You really don't get it. I'll break it down very simply for you. If you don't like it, don't play it, I really don't care and am not trying to change your mind. But don't tell me how to spend my free time.
with your logic its no point chatting with your spouse or your parents either.
No, that was YOUR logic. You see how stupid it is to tell people what they should do with their free time yet? Sad thing is that by that comment you just proved that you agreed with me but are too stupid to understand. So, I guess I win. Better luck next time.
...is call it a parody and its all legal! Brilliant!
You are free not to run Nintendo software on it since it breaks your hacks. I don't see them doing anything wrong here. It's your box and you can do anything you want with it. They can't do anything about that unless you let them. Oh, but you want to play their games too. I guess tough for you. They are going patch vulnerabilities in their OS. Or do you think the TP hack was intentional?
Don't feel too bad, new hacks will come out quickly. I am just surprised that you are surprised that this happened.
If they shut down the activation servers, generally they will release a crack so that you don't need it. Or, if they don't, someone else will. So it isn't a big deal you are trying to make it out to be.
It is still DRM (which I don't mind, either). People on this site are still going to bash it, even if the company tries to make it nice. They want to live in this magical world where there is no DRM and games can be copied without restriction. Even though this doesn't make a lick of sense from a business perspective and it would result in most software companies going out of business. This is more of a religious debate than one of logic. They believe something and it blinds them from reality.
Look at the people on this site for an easy counter to your argument.. Plenty freely admit that they pirate and they still complain about the DRM. Most of them probably haven't even had an issue with DRM. They just use it as a justification. I am sure a lot of them pirate games that don't have DRM as well.
Ok, point taken...all drops in sales are not due to piracy. But are you saying that they don't lose any sales due to piracy? And...your argument would be that they lose sale due to DRM. Ok, but you have admit that companies research what will make them the most money. If you don't think they compare: how much we would lose due to piracy vs how much we would lose due to people who don't like DRM...well, then you aren't really thinking about the problem. Instead of looking at it as a bitter Slashdotter, and look at the problem as if you were selling software. If you made a great product, how do you protect it from piracy? How do you maximize your profit?
Then greedy corp x would get little money because people would not put up with it. This really is about piracy, as much as you want to make it something that it isn't. If it was about other things, than Steam wouldn't let you install your game on other machines. You are just using some weird version of the slippery slope argument. Just because you don't know people who has said that DRM has stopped them from pirating isn't proof of your point. Who the hell has that conversation with people anyways? And how is it squeezing you for more money? It is just getting people to buy it who would otherwise just download it for free. The people who don't want to pay for it are always going to pirate it. There are plenty of less technical consumers out there that would pirate it if not for it being inconvenient. I have never bought something twice because of DRM so I have no idea what you are talking about. You are like a Republican radio show host that is arguing a point that doesn't exist instead of having an honest intellectual conversation about the issue.
They need to be backed up with solid empirical evidence based on current conditions justifying those restrictions. Not someone's opinion
Oh, the irony of your statement. All you are doing is spouting off your opinion with no facts. It is a fact that DRM causes some people not to buy a product. It is a fact that DRM prevents some people from pirating the software. If you think companies are so stupid that they aren't doing what they feel is most profitable, then you are fairly naieve. The problem with reading Slashdot all the time is you think most people think like you. Sorry, the majority of people don't even know what DRM is. The potential loss to a company that uses no DRM is a lot greater than the potential loss of pissing off Slashdotters. And if the game is good enough, they will buy it anyways.
The company doesn't care about all your "maybes", they care about the bottom line. This stuff makes sense to you but you have no solid evidence yourself...I guarantee the companies that do this have at least some. The concept of products not existing in the physical world is a new one. Having the ability to distribute it globally in seconds is even newer. DRM comes as an early attempt to protect the company's ability to make a profit. There are less evil ways of doing it than the Mass Effect scheme. No matter what things you make up in your head to say that the company would be better off without DRM, it isn't going to matter. The reality is DRM is here and it isn't going to go away. The best we can hope for is to evolve it to something that bites the least number of people. The morons on this site that pirate are going to pirate no matter what. This is just a convenient excuse. Most of these people have never been bit by the issues they complain about. I actually support the companies that create games. And if people do get bit by DRM...I applaud them for buying the game. I see no problem with them pirating the game after they purchased it. The people who do the free ride thing are the problem. If they didn't exist, then DRM wouldn't either. They are too dumb to understand this though.
Right. Because he had a great experience with his mail-order Russian bride...
Who is surprised it has bugs? It is just surprising, to me anyways, to have such a weird bug. To have a bug like described above, reducing combat speed due to the first character you logged in with being a female, has to mean some pretty horrible coding. How can that even be related. Add the breast side bug in and you get an amusing news story.
It is less about if an MMORPG has bugs...it is just how severe and how quickly the devs respond to the problem.
A lot of what I a find appealing about Obama is that he doesn't have a lot of history. He hasn't been ground down to the cynical, political machine that was everyone else in this election. We had experienced politicians for the last 8 years (well, longer really) and look what they did. They abused the system to fight personal wars that has caused (in part) extreme damage to our economy and our standing to the rest of the world.
McCain doesn't offer any solutions to improve these things. He flat out admits he knows nothing about the economy (while Obama is backed by power houses like Volkner). He wants to continue to fight a war that has no real end or win. Really, we could declare it a win today and it won't be any different if we stay in there 10 more years and declare it a win then. I love how people say we are surrendering...but how can you ever leave Iraq and it not be a surrender? When there is no violence? That's stupid, there will be violence there for a long long time no matter what we do. So yeah, let's get out of there and start spending money on our own country. McCain is very old with an extensive medical history. He better choose a very attractive VP. He also has anger issues. I really want someone who is calm and rational leading this country. Also, he refuses to talk to leaders of other countries. The way he does this is just declare some country a "terrorist" country and then sticks his fingers in his ears. How is not talking to enemies helpful? I would think that would be the first thing I would want to do. I could go on and on about how I think everything about McCain is wrong. All Republicans have is that he lacks experience (valid, but it isn't like he won't be surrounded by brilliant people), his middle name (stupid), and a bunch of other random non-issue things. I am fine with the lack of experience when compared to someone I disagree with on all the major topics (the economy, the war, the deficit).