No, not really. Obviously, they are different things. But both are products you can buy. They both can be obtained illegally. There is a bigger loss for one than the other. One probably won't get you in trouble. But it is still wrong to do either. Except if you are on Slashdot, then it is ok to pirate everything because EVERYONE here buys the games that are good. Sure.
Argh, always the stupid justifications for it. If they don't have a demo and you are unable to find a friend who has it to try it out, don't get the damn game. I know the odds are on your side on getting in trouble for it, but that doesn't mean it is right. And I know, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is a good law, but I think obtaining software illegally is a law that makes sense. Don't give some justification for it so that you feel all warm and rosy inside. What you are doing is wrong. Just admit you are cheap and that you don't care about the effort people put in to their product because you feel yourself above them (or something like that).
Because preventing people who hate us to get their hands on information that could kill a large number of "individuals" is more important than an individual who has an unrealistic view that all information should be shared on the Internet? I understand there is fear of abuse, but you have to be rational. When you view things in absolutes you generally have lost sight of reality.
What you suggest isn't practical or realistic. Any system can be broken given enough time. The amount of time it can take to break a system can be much shorter depending on how much information you have. So you build a system that is practical with the amount of money that is available and try to restrict how much information other people can determine.
You idea of security being completely open and therefor more secure just doesn't work in reality. Sure, people can point out the flaws, but what people are going to look at that sort of thing other than the people who want to exploit it? Software is different since many people are hobby coders and many people use the system. How many people use the layout or guard schedule of our water supply?
Philosophies are great...but you have to realize that one philosophy can't encompass everything. The world isn't that simplistic. You have to see where your philosophy breaks down in the real world and apply something different when necessary.
According to who? If he had no charisma or influence he wouldn't be where he is right now. The assumption that someone better than him would magically take his place once he is gone is not something that we know. And if there was someone with more charisma and influence, wouldn't we be seeing them and not Jack?
Did you just read other people's comments and not read what he actually wrote? He talks about the HP companion books and how those are allowed to help increase the hype of the books so she could make more profits. Now that the series is over, the only way her name can still be out there is by doing dumb things like this and saying that the old wizard was gay. She wants to be respected in the literary community and is making a big deal out of nothing. No one is going to confuse this with her original work. It isn't going to diminish it. It is just pointless.
And I know we don't RTFAs around here, but if you are going to comment about the article specifically, maybe you should skim it.
It is off topic but this is part of the Slashdot group think so you probably won't be modded down. This is the mindset where people have to bash anything that is popular that they don't like. Honestly, I am not a big fan of the GTA series. I thought SA was boring and was barely able to play a few missions. But obviously, you don't want to expose young children to extreme violence. Can you do juvenile things in these games related to sex and violence? Sure. That isn't to say the whole thing is juvenile. People are way too judgmental on here about how other people spend their free time. It is just entertainment.
I have heard this said many times and I disagree. The problem is that there is no rational argument these people can come up with. It doesn't matter if someone replaced Jack Thompson. They would have to be just as messed up in the head to have this opinion. I really think he does a lot of harm. Many people aren't intelligent enough to think for themselves and this just feeds in to the demonizing of video games. If he went away, I don't know if anyone would take his place. If no one did, that would be great...if someone else did they would be just as messed up. I see no benefit of keeping him around.
Umm, there are very few family farmers anymore. The people that grow food are now generally large companies. Small farmers can't compete with these larger companies because in bad years they are unable to survive and their land is bought up by the companies. I think your idea of what a farmer is is pretty outdated...at least for the US.
I don't think enough people actively play SL to make it worthwhile. And the people who do play don't seem like the types that are all that interested in science. Generalization, I know, but if you are really honest...
It wouldn't take that long for Slashdot to design a product. It would be a libertarian robot controlled using a Wii-mote with a user interface designed by Apple. And yes, it runs Linux.
You are sort of right. Yes, you can create flying penises...this is what the game allows. But no, you shouldn't be able to do that anywhere in the world...only in places that allow that sort of thing. Second Life is user generated content. But there has to be some rules to it otherwise it will be complete chaos. In this case, the person wrote something that allowed them to add flying penises to an area that shouldn't have them. The game doesn't allow all user created content because then it would allow virus like objects that would ruin the experience for everyone.
My point was that game has been hacked. A lot. That kind of stuff wouldn't fly in the Eve universe. Comparing Eve to Second Life is like comparing bunnies to airplanes.
And as a side note, I don't think the "overrated" mod should work unless I was actually rated up.
And when there is no profit in something then people will stop producing them. Obviously, there is value to the work that people do, even when the outcome of that work can easily be reproduced. They should be able to make up the development cost and gain some reasonable amount of profit for their work. I really don't see huge changes coming. Like most things, it will evolve over time. But if you are trying to say the future will be that software will be free since it is infinitely reproducible, then I have to disagree. That won't happen any time soon.
Actually, he is more right than you know. I think G4 was playing a little blurb about how the average subscriber logs in for about 30 seconds a month. They just have a really good PR department and have attracted businesses (suckers). But truth be told, their subscription numbers have been terrible and falling.
The most common phrase you hear in Eve is "Can I have your stuff?" This is the callous attitude they have towards people that don't enjoy the game and leave. Rather than encourage people to try this or that they tell them they aren't smart enough and to go back to WoW. Obviously, the whole community isn't like that and you can meet nice people in the game. But the nature of the game attracts griefers so yeah, it will have a lot of jerks. But this is the Internet, we should have a thick skin about that sort of thing.
The problem is they ban people that expose the truth about what is going on within their company and game. They do a horrible job of banning botters and spammers. They ban the people who care about the game and that is what is messed up.
I don't condone piracy or extortion. Someone external posting it is wrong. But the damage control guy said they don't believe in security by obscurity. If that is true, release the source. I bet that the community would find many ways to improve the security and functionality of the client. But it is fairly they are just saying words to try to mitigate the negative publicity. I even feel a little sorry for them despite the fact that they have internal corruption. I am sure there are many honest, hard working people that work for CCP and that this hurts them. But they just continue to underwhelm you with the actions they take to prevent cheating, ensure fairness, and deal with people inside the company taking shortcuts for themselves and their friends. I don't know how many more negative articles this game can go through. I hope this creates positive changes for Eve and its community. I have little faith that CCP will do the right thing, but there is always hope.
If CCP did not believe in security by obscurity then you would just release the source and let the community help improve your game which is riddled with cheating and botting. Already people are posting vulnerabilities they have found by looking at the code. It is either arrogance or stupidity to really think that your client code is written so well that "no advantage can be gained by manipulating the EVE client". This is a site that is frequented by professional programmers and people who are at least somewhat familiar with technology. If you think this type of business style damage control will work here, you have another thing coming.
Argh...how can this even be a serious question much less a +5 insightful one?
Second Life is a completely different game. On top of that, SL has been hacked like crazy. One memorable one was flying penises (penii?) started flying around when they were conducting an interview in game. Also, Eve is supposed to be a hardcore PvP server. If there is widespread cheating in Eve, people will quit in droves. If Second Life is hacked, for the most part, people think it is pretty funny.
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No, not really. Obviously, they are different things. But both are products you can buy. They both can be obtained illegally. There is a bigger loss for one than the other. One probably won't get you in trouble. But it is still wrong to do either. Except if you are on Slashdot, then it is ok to pirate everything because EVERYONE here buys the games that are good. Sure.
Argh, always the stupid justifications for it. If they don't have a demo and you are unable to find a friend who has it to try it out, don't get the damn game. I know the odds are on your side on getting in trouble for it, but that doesn't mean it is right. And I know, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is a good law, but I think obtaining software illegally is a law that makes sense. Don't give some justification for it so that you feel all warm and rosy inside. What you are doing is wrong. Just admit you are cheap and that you don't care about the effort people put in to their product because you feel yourself above them (or something like that).
Because preventing people who hate us to get their hands on information that could kill a large number of "individuals" is more important than an individual who has an unrealistic view that all information should be shared on the Internet? I understand there is fear of abuse, but you have to be rational. When you view things in absolutes you generally have lost sight of reality.
What you suggest isn't practical or realistic. Any system can be broken given enough time. The amount of time it can take to break a system can be much shorter depending on how much information you have. So you build a system that is practical with the amount of money that is available and try to restrict how much information other people can determine.
You idea of security being completely open and therefor more secure just doesn't work in reality. Sure, people can point out the flaws, but what people are going to look at that sort of thing other than the people who want to exploit it? Software is different since many people are hobby coders and many people use the system. How many people use the layout or guard schedule of our water supply?
Philosophies are great...but you have to realize that one philosophy can't encompass everything. The world isn't that simplistic. You have to see where your philosophy breaks down in the real world and apply something different when necessary.
According to who? If he had no charisma or influence he wouldn't be where he is right now. The assumption that someone better than him would magically take his place once he is gone is not something that we know. And if there was someone with more charisma and influence, wouldn't we be seeing them and not Jack?
Did you just read other people's comments and not read what he actually wrote? He talks about the HP companion books and how those are allowed to help increase the hype of the books so she could make more profits. Now that the series is over, the only way her name can still be out there is by doing dumb things like this and saying that the old wizard was gay. She wants to be respected in the literary community and is making a big deal out of nothing. No one is going to confuse this with her original work. It isn't going to diminish it. It is just pointless.
And I know we don't RTFAs around here, but if you are going to comment about the article specifically, maybe you should skim it.
True...until you shoot her to get your money back.
It is off topic but this is part of the Slashdot group think so you probably won't be modded down. This is the mindset where people have to bash anything that is popular that they don't like. Honestly, I am not a big fan of the GTA series. I thought SA was boring and was barely able to play a few missions. But obviously, you don't want to expose young children to extreme violence. Can you do juvenile things in these games related to sex and violence? Sure. That isn't to say the whole thing is juvenile. People are way too judgmental on here about how other people spend their free time. It is just entertainment.
I have heard this said many times and I disagree. The problem is that there is no rational argument these people can come up with. It doesn't matter if someone replaced Jack Thompson. They would have to be just as messed up in the head to have this opinion. I really think he does a lot of harm. Many people aren't intelligent enough to think for themselves and this just feeds in to the demonizing of video games. If he went away, I don't know if anyone would take his place. If no one did, that would be great...if someone else did they would be just as messed up. I see no benefit of keeping him around.
Umm, there are very few family farmers anymore. The people that grow food are now generally large companies. Small farmers can't compete with these larger companies because in bad years they are unable to survive and their land is bought up by the companies. I think your idea of what a farmer is is pretty outdated...at least for the US.
What's your point? Someone is still paying for the drugs.
hmmm, how many SL shills are there on this site? Why would you spend 3 million in SL. You have no chance of ever making that money back.
I don't think enough people actively play SL to make it worthwhile. And the people who do play don't seem like the types that are all that interested in science. Generalization, I know, but if you are really honest...
It wouldn't take that long for Slashdot to design a product. It would be a libertarian robot controlled using a Wii-mote with a user interface designed by Apple. And yes, it runs Linux.
Thanks, now I spent a half hour of my life searching for pictures of Lizz Weis. I don't even know if I found her or not. Jerk.
You are sort of right. Yes, you can create flying penises...this is what the game allows. But no, you shouldn't be able to do that anywhere in the world...only in places that allow that sort of thing. Second Life is user generated content. But there has to be some rules to it otherwise it will be complete chaos. In this case, the person wrote something that allowed them to add flying penises to an area that shouldn't have them. The game doesn't allow all user created content because then it would allow virus like objects that would ruin the experience for everyone.
My point was that game has been hacked. A lot. That kind of stuff wouldn't fly in the Eve universe. Comparing Eve to Second Life is like comparing bunnies to airplanes.
And as a side note, I don't think the "overrated" mod should work unless I was actually rated up.
And when there is no profit in something then people will stop producing them. Obviously, there is value to the work that people do, even when the outcome of that work can easily be reproduced. They should be able to make up the development cost and gain some reasonable amount of profit for their work. I really don't see huge changes coming. Like most things, it will evolve over time. But if you are trying to say the future will be that software will be free since it is infinitely reproducible, then I have to disagree. That won't happen any time soon.
I guess I find it hard to trust someone's judgment on maturity when they say: "annoy the butthurt mom's basement dwelling 35 year olds".
Actually, he is more right than you know. I think G4 was playing a little blurb about how the average subscriber logs in for about 30 seconds a month. They just have a really good PR department and have attracted businesses (suckers). But truth be told, their subscription numbers have been terrible and falling.
The most common phrase you hear in Eve is "Can I have your stuff?" This is the callous attitude they have towards people that don't enjoy the game and leave. Rather than encourage people to try this or that they tell them they aren't smart enough and to go back to WoW. Obviously, the whole community isn't like that and you can meet nice people in the game. But the nature of the game attracts griefers so yeah, it will have a lot of jerks. But this is the Internet, we should have a thick skin about that sort of thing.
The problem is they ban people that expose the truth about what is going on within their company and game. They do a horrible job of banning botters and spammers. They ban the people who care about the game and that is what is messed up.
I don't condone piracy or extortion. Someone external posting it is wrong. But the damage control guy said they don't believe in security by obscurity. If that is true, release the source. I bet that the community would find many ways to improve the security and functionality of the client. But it is fairly they are just saying words to try to mitigate the negative publicity. I even feel a little sorry for them despite the fact that they have internal corruption. I am sure there are many honest, hard working people that work for CCP and that this hurts them. But they just continue to underwhelm you with the actions they take to prevent cheating, ensure fairness, and deal with people inside the company taking shortcuts for themselves and their friends. I don't know how many more negative articles this game can go through. I hope this creates positive changes for Eve and its community. I have little faith that CCP will do the right thing, but there is always hope.
or even plays it :)
If CCP did not believe in security by obscurity then you would just release the source and let the community help improve your game which is riddled with cheating and botting. Already people are posting vulnerabilities they have found by looking at the code. It is either arrogance or stupidity to really think that your client code is written so well that "no advantage can be gained by manipulating the EVE client". This is a site that is frequented by professional programmers and people who are at least somewhat familiar with technology. If you think this type of business style damage control will work here, you have another thing coming.
CCP is corrupt to its core. Wouldn't surprise me if they put the exploits in so they could bot themselves.
Argh...how can this even be a serious question much less a +5 insightful one?
Second Life is a completely different game. On top of that, SL has been hacked like crazy. One memorable one was flying penises (penii?) started flying around when they were conducting an interview in game. Also, Eve is supposed to be a hardcore PvP server. If there is widespread cheating in Eve, people will quit in droves. If Second Life is hacked, for the most part, people think it is pretty funny.