Well, Blender has it's own renderer built into it...and it now has built in Yafray compatibilies, which both are better renderers than POV-Ray IMHO.
I'm not sure if they're going to be pointing it anymore toward POV-Ray as they seem to be heading down the Yafray path. But since anyone could write a plug-in for it, I don't see it being impossible for POV-Ray to be better intergrated.
Of course you're right. I was being sarcastic in my post.
But you read on any forum of any MMORPG and the PvP players are the most vocal...as if they make up the majority of the games out there. Which they don't.
But when I bring out my idea of PvP they shut up pretty quickly with the care-bear crap.
Ok, I don't know them personally as in real life...know them through the game.
But yes, I know 3 couples that have met this way. Remember, I've been playing this game for 5 years now.
Me and my wife play...though we didn't meet on it.
No bullshit, sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't play it or think it's stupid doesn't mean that others don't find it an enjoyable hobbie. And that's all it is.
The journey to 65 (in the case of EQ) is where most of the fun is!
That's also why you rarely rarely see someone that's a griefer/jerk/idiot that's 65 in EQ. Yes, there are some, but it's rare. The kiddies just don't have the patience.
don't look at it as an addiction. It's a hobby, as simple as that.
And it brings some people together. I know several people that have met and married in real life through Everquest. They are happily married and two couples have already started families.
So it's not totally a waste of time for some people, but a social hobby.
Even better! Let the loser wimp care-bears play the safe PvP servers on other games! If you have nothing real to lose, you have nothing to lose...so what' the point?
I play MMORPG's a lot, as does my wife....and we own our own house so we're not in line to be kicked out of our parents basement...but I digress.
I've always thought there should be a RPG that has aging and perm death. All these kiddies walk around saying how lame PvP is on different games yet they curl up in a ball and piss themselves when I tell them my thoughts on PvP and MMORPGs
You should start out very young, age through the game and at some point in the future die of old age if the environment doesn't kill you. Also, if you die, you're dead....you lose everything and can never come back. Your account AND credit card that you used to set up the account are locked and can never be used again! If you want to join the game again you have to buy a whole new version with a different credit card.
Anything less than this and you're a little girl care-bear loser wimp! Don't even try to argue with me! You're a wimp care-bear! Eat it and STFU!
They keep saying how it's the biggest thing in the world, but I've tried it...it sucks. And if this is the biggest thing in the world, then the world needs a reality check. I mean, it's really totally awfull.
Or is it one of those things that "it's world famous in Korea...and Korea is the center of the universe" kind of thing? I know, Korea has more people online per capita than the US, but still, do they have to subjected to such a sucky game? Someone move a EQ server into Korea or something. Those poor poor people!
This shows that being the most popular certainly doesn't mean the best!
the world's line of chips seems to have declined to Intel and a handful of niche guys
Didn't know that AMD is out of the game now. Guess they don't sell 64bit CPU's anymore...but we got those 64bit Intel chips in everything now don't we? Whoa...look-at-em go!
I also didn't hear that the PowerPC architecture was all gone too...guess they're just selling what little inventory they have to the "niche" Apple market...but everyone know's that Apple's dying....any...day...now....
Pfft...the submitter should remove head from rectum...
That's fine. Make it so that no OSS folks can make money at all. See how long they stay around.
How is keeping the people that built the system on your payroll with a steady job making it "so no OSS folks can make money at all"? They have a job, they're making money. They ARE OSS people. Just because you're not paying for Redhat or Suse and instead are using Debian doesn't mean that OSS people aren't getting paid for their work. Otherwise you're just trading one service contract (MS) to another service contract (Redhat).
And come on, I KNOW they don't go out to fabricate new CPU's and such. You over simplified everything. You BUY the hardware, but that doesn't mean you have to buy the software that goes with it.
No, they had a staff...no, they were not the smartest in the world and no they didn't do an open source solution to anything. The worked on the computers when they wouldn't start, maintained the server but had a contract with SGI.
But I can see now as others were saying that the cost to SWITCH to open source would be more expensive than just staying with what you already have. THAT I can see...
But how much are they paying for their IT staff already? These are corporations that don't just have a server sitting in the closet and have a tech come in every 6 months. I'm talking about people there daily.
Hell, a little Pre-press shop I was in had an IT staff. Why pay for the staff AND a service contract on top of that?
So yeah, 80 grand a year isn't that far off and you would still save money.
I still can't, for the life of me, see how MS can say with a straight face that something that costs money is cheaper than something that doesn't cost anything?
I'm not talking about home desktops which frankly they would be lying through their teeth if they actually tried to pull that one out saying they're cheaper. But I'm talking about large corporations with IT departments.
IT wouldn't be spending yearly cash on service contracts and the like with open source, wouldn't they instead just HIRE their support? Hire IT pros that KNOW how to program and configure and support and fix the open source servers/databases? You pay for the IT people anyway, why pay in addition to that for service contracts?
You have company X. They need a new server infrastructure. They hire the people that will build the system from the ground up with open source solutions. They don't buy any software, not even Redhat. They use open source, build the databases, the os, the web server etc etc. The only they they buy is the hardware to run it on.
After they build it, you keep them as your IT department to maintain everything. No service contracts...not even to Redhat or SUSE or anyone. Now, how is that more expensive than the MS solution?
I obviously am out of my league here and have no idea how any of this works, I'm just wondering. Can anyone set me straight here?
- The US had long tracked Iraq's possession of WMD
- The UN had closely tracked Iraq's WMD capability for over a decade
- As a matter of course, most of Europe had done the same
Everyone seemed to be closely tracking these WMD up to the point to where no one knew where they went or are....so perhaps no one was really keeping tabs on these things?
But I agree with you that things take time to work themselves out. It seems though that the mideast is moving backwards toward madness/religion. Meh...give it another 1000 years or so...maybe 10,000 years to be safe.
This was where I was going with this, not from content creation but to matching a Transparency or a scanned piece of art.
We seemed to be coming from two different areas here.
But now, calibrations have weeded out the need for pre-press professionals slowly. Almost all content coming in is digital and the drum-scanner sits idle most of the week. It's really taking a toll on the industry...meaning more and more people are getting laid off.
Years ago I was a top-dog in the world of Photoshop...but today that and 5 buck will get you a cup of coffee somewhere. I rode the boom when the industry switched from big, proprietary machines like Scitex and Linotype-Hell to Macs running Photoshop/Illustrator/Quark. This was in the early 90's. Now? So many small shops or home graphics professionals have taken over. When you can pay someone to build a photoshop assembly for the latest cookie package...why spend money on buying equipment and manpower to do it inhouse. Outsource it all and get it much cheaper.
Gone are the days when I was paid 30 bucks and hour and worked 60 hour weeks....sigh...
Actually, I would venture to say I know much more than you do.
I AM a graphic professional and I was taught before all this reliance on calibrations and color models and the like. We color correct images using actual CMYK data that we read from the image itself. Just because a monitor is calibrated to a given image-setter or "direct-to-plate" doesn't mean anything if you don't know the basics.
I'm talking about printing and the printing industry that has totally fallen in love with Colorsync and it's ilk. Yes, it doesn't take a brainiac (as you've proven with your post) to work with color anymore.
I know, I'm fighting a losing battle and the shift from pre-press houses to induviduals with calibrated monitors and ink-jets has totally changed everything. But it's nice to go know the roots.
If you really knew what you were doing there Tumbleweed, you could color correct an image using a gray-scale monitor! But then again, why?
Some advice: when you don't know what your talking about, shut the fuck up.
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?
You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:
About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.
Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.
Let's start with the first three:
I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME
THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN
THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH
Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER
Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.
Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.
And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE
Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital fidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.
But when you think about it, honesty and fidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS
This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a
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you should take a look again at Blender.
Also, I haven't had any problems with Yafray and Blender 2.3.4...which is the latest release that integrats Yafray into Blender.
But I also compiled it all from scratch since I'm on Gentoo...and "emerge blender" took care of everything really. But your milage may vary.
Well, Blender has it's own renderer built into it...and it now has built in Yafray compatibilies, which both are better renderers than POV-Ray IMHO.
I'm not sure if they're going to be pointing it anymore toward POV-Ray as they seem to be heading down the Yafray path. But since anyone could write a plug-in for it, I don't see it being impossible for POV-Ray to be better intergrated.
Of course you're right. I was being sarcastic in my post.
But you read on any forum of any MMORPG and the PvP players are the most vocal...as if they make up the majority of the games out there. Which they don't.
But when I bring out my idea of PvP they shut up pretty quickly with the care-bear crap.
my offhanded remark seems to have upset some people, but I certainly didn't intend for it to.
People can't know everything about everything and I certainly didn't know the deep seated resentment of Korea to Japan
Ok, I don't know them personally as in real life...know them through the game.
But yes, I know 3 couples that have met this way. Remember, I've been playing this game for 5 years now.
Me and my wife play...though we didn't meet on it.
No bullshit, sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't play it or think it's stupid doesn't mean that others don't find it an enjoyable hobbie. And that's all it is.
yet they DID meet and they DID start that foundation of civilization, the family.
How and why they met are secondary really.
exactly...I of course was being sarcastic.
The journey to 65 (in the case of EQ) is where most of the fun is!
That's also why you rarely rarely see someone that's a griefer/jerk/idiot that's 65 in EQ. Yes, there are some, but it's rare. The kiddies just don't have the patience.
don't look at it as an addiction. It's a hobby, as simple as that.
And it brings some people together. I know several people that have met and married in real life through Everquest. They are happily married and two couples have already started families.
So it's not totally a waste of time for some people, but a social hobby.
Guess it depends on the person.
if you die it executes a "rm -rf /*" system call
Even better! Let the loser wimp care-bears play the safe PvP servers on other games! If you have nothing real to lose, you have nothing to lose...so what' the point?
ah...so they're still pissed about the whole WW2 thing huh?
What MMOG really need is a 'death' time.
I play MMORPG's a lot, as does my wife....and we own our own house so we're not in line to be kicked out of our parents basement...but I digress.
I've always thought there should be a RPG that has aging and perm death. All these kiddies walk around saying how lame PvP is on different games yet they curl up in a ball and piss themselves when I tell them my thoughts on PvP and MMORPGs
You should start out very young, age through the game and at some point in the future die of old age if the environment doesn't kill you. Also, if you die, you're dead....you lose everything and can never come back. Your account AND credit card that you used to set up the account are locked and can never be used again! If you want to join the game again you have to buy a whole new version with a different credit card.
Anything less than this and you're a little girl care-bear loser wimp! Don't even try to argue with me! You're a wimp care-bear! Eat it and STFU!
They keep saying how it's the biggest thing in the world, but I've tried it...it sucks. And if this is the biggest thing in the world, then the world needs a reality check. I mean, it's really totally awfull.
Or is it one of those things that "it's world famous in Korea...and Korea is the center of the universe" kind of thing? I know, Korea has more people online per capita than the US, but still, do they have to subjected to such a sucky game? Someone move a EQ server into Korea or something. Those poor poor people!
This shows that being the most popular certainly doesn't mean the best!
the world's line of chips seems to have declined to Intel and a handful of niche guys
Didn't know that AMD is out of the game now. Guess they don't sell 64bit CPU's anymore...but we got those 64bit Intel chips in everything now don't we? Whoa...look-at-em go!
I also didn't hear that the PowerPC architecture was all gone too...guess they're just selling what little inventory they have to the "niche" Apple market...but everyone know's that Apple's dying....any...day...now....
Pfft...the submitter should remove head from rectum...
That's fine. Make it so that no OSS folks can make money at all. See how long they stay around.
How is keeping the people that built the system on your payroll with a steady job making it "so no OSS folks can make money at all"? They have a job, they're making money. They ARE OSS people. Just because you're not paying for Redhat or Suse and instead are using Debian doesn't mean that OSS people aren't getting paid for their work. Otherwise you're just trading one service contract (MS) to another service contract (Redhat).
And come on, I KNOW they don't go out to fabricate new CPU's and such. You over simplified everything. You BUY the hardware, but that doesn't mean you have to buy the software that goes with it.
No, they had a staff...no, they were not the smartest in the world and no they didn't do an open source solution to anything. The worked on the computers when they wouldn't start, maintained the server but had a contract with SGI.
But I can see now as others were saying that the cost to SWITCH to open source would be more expensive than just staying with what you already have. THAT I can see...
But how much are they paying for their IT staff already? These are corporations that don't just have a server sitting in the closet and have a tech come in every 6 months. I'm talking about people there daily.
Hell, a little Pre-press shop I was in had an IT staff. Why pay for the staff AND a service contract on top of that?
So yeah, 80 grand a year isn't that far off and you would still save money.
I still can't, for the life of me, see how MS can say with a straight face that something that costs money is cheaper than something that doesn't cost anything?
I'm not talking about home desktops which frankly they would be lying through their teeth if they actually tried to pull that one out saying they're cheaper. But I'm talking about large corporations with IT departments.
IT wouldn't be spending yearly cash on service contracts and the like with open source, wouldn't they instead just HIRE their support? Hire IT pros that KNOW how to program and configure and support and fix the open source servers/databases? You pay for the IT people anyway, why pay in addition to that for service contracts?
You have company X. They need a new server infrastructure. They hire the people that will build the system from the ground up with open source solutions. They don't buy any software, not even Redhat. They use open source, build the databases, the os, the web server etc etc. The only they they buy is the hardware to run it on.
After they build it, you keep them as your IT department to maintain everything. No service contracts...not even to Redhat or SUSE or anyone. Now, how is that more expensive than the MS solution?
I obviously am out of my league here and have no idea how any of this works, I'm just wondering. Can anyone set me straight here?
- The US had long tracked Iraq's possession of WMD
- The UN had closely tracked Iraq's WMD capability for over a decade
- As a matter of course, most of Europe had done the same
Everyone seemed to be closely tracking these WMD up to the point to where no one knew where they went or are....so perhaps no one was really keeping tabs on these things?
But I agree with you that things take time to work themselves out. It seems though that the mideast is moving backwards toward madness/religion. Meh...give it another 1000 years or so...maybe 10,000 years to be safe.
This was where I was going with this, not from content creation but to matching a Transparency or a scanned piece of art.
We seemed to be coming from two different areas here.
But now, calibrations have weeded out the need for pre-press professionals slowly. Almost all content coming in is digital and the drum-scanner sits idle most of the week. It's really taking a toll on the industry...meaning more and more people are getting laid off.
Years ago I was a top-dog in the world of Photoshop...but today that and 5 buck will get you a cup of coffee somewhere. I rode the boom when the industry switched from big, proprietary machines like Scitex and Linotype-Hell to Macs running Photoshop/Illustrator/Quark. This was in the early 90's. Now? So many small shops or home graphics professionals have taken over. When you can pay someone to build a photoshop assembly for the latest cookie package...why spend money on buying equipment and manpower to do it inhouse. Outsource it all and get it much cheaper.
Gone are the days when I was paid 30 bucks and hour and worked 60 hour weeks....sigh...
Actually, I would venture to say I know much more than you do.
I AM a graphic professional and I was taught before all this reliance on calibrations and color models and the like. We color correct images using actual CMYK data that we read from the image itself. Just because a monitor is calibrated to a given image-setter or "direct-to-plate" doesn't mean anything if you don't know the basics.
I'm talking about printing and the printing industry that has totally fallen in love with Colorsync and it's ilk. Yes, it doesn't take a brainiac (as you've proven with your post) to work with color anymore.
I know, I'm fighting a losing battle and the shift from pre-press houses to induviduals with calibrated monitors and ink-jets has totally changed everything. But it's nice to go know the roots.
If you really knew what you were doing there Tumbleweed, you could color correct an image using a gray-scale monitor! But then again, why?
Some advice: when you don't know what your talking about, shut the fuck up.
And a true graphics professional wouldn't need a calibrated monitor if they knew what they were doing. But people are lazy no-adays.
Yeah, I made a MAJOR oops when I forgot to say where it was from.
This is totally and completely from George Carlin!
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?
You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:
About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.
Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.
Let's start with the first three:
I AM THE LORD THY GOD
THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME
THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN
THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH
Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER
Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.
Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.
And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE
Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital fidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.
But when you think about it, honesty and fidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS
This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a
There is now a Checker City being built in Berwin Illinois that will be 12 million cubic miles and cost 17 trillion billion gazillion dollars!