"Who says the technology has advanced at a rapid clip? The hypesters that run these companies. These cars will still have employees in them."
Sure, but from the back seat (as in the video) the most they are going to be able to do is hit a button for emergency stop. What's being demonstrated here is that the car is now expected to be able to deal with all situations to be found in that area of Phoenix, with real life traffic and pedestrians.
We're not at a commercial Level 5 system yet. But it's getting tantalisingly close.
They are NOT all sitting on upcoming EV models. Most of them have only just woken up to the inevitability of BEVs this year. Most of the ones you see press releases about are vapour ware. They are not developed yet. Many of them have 2020 release dates!
Like I say you don't know about this market. You are making the silly mistake of assuming that if they can build ICE cars they can simply switch to BEVs. Well they can't, it's a whole different market.
Yes, I'm sure they are unaware of what Tesla is doing.
Which wasn't an answer to the point I posed. My point was about the dead-on-arrival technology of Hydrogen Fuel cells, not Tesla.
They produce millions of cars a year. If the market was demanding EVs they would be making them. We aren't there yet.
I'm afraid you are ignorant of the market. There is a demand for Bolt (Ampera E in Europe) that is not bieng fulfilled by GM. In fact you can't even order the Ampera E in Europe any more as they have no stock being delivered. Similarly with Hyundai and the Ioniq EV. Current waiting times are 9-10 months from order.
It's a fact that the demand there and GM and Hyundai are unable to fullfill it.
And I didn't even mention the other car manufacturers that don't even have a credible EV yet.
Doing as well as Tesla? Tesla sells a rounding error worth of cars each year in comparison to the traditionals.
Again you are being mislead by old technology. We're talking about their ability to service the EV market. The number of old tech ICE vehicles they produce is irrelevant. As you can see from the Bolt and Ioniq examples I gave.
You're giving the traditional car companies far too much credit. Look at Toyota for example, they are still trying to promote hydrogen fuel cells. They don't know that that technology has been beaten.
GM and Hyundai have good EVs, but just like Tesla they can't produce even a fraction of what the market is demanding.
The only traditional car company that's doing as well as Tesla is Nissan.
I suspect your dislike of Apple isn't shared by your company at all. It'd be a pretty dumb move for a technology company not to hire Apple developers if they were available and affordable.
It's more even that that. The dad appears in the video, and is at one stage demoing animated emojis to his daughters camera. He just didn't seem to be aware that this was a problem himself.
It is the path towards complete abstinence. It's a hell of a lot easier to switch to ecigs than to simply go cold turkey on tobacco. And it's also a hell of a lot easier to give up ecigs than to give up tobacco.
ecigs are the best aid yet to completely giving up nicotine.
Why are you looking for altruism? All companies are in it to make a product. That doesn't mean the products are necessarily bad.
That would be misguided then. Ecigs are such a fantastic thing because people can relatively easily more from tobacco cigarettes to them, and whilst they may not be perfectly safe they are far, far more safe than smoking. They should be encouraged, not discouraged.
My bet is that lobbying from the tobacco industry is responsible for this crackdown on ecigs.
Gratuitous? I'm not sure what that means in relation to "SJWs".
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was very much an in your face anti-racism story for example. Surely that would come under what right wingers would call "SJW'.
Warp drive is not beyond the realms of being real. Scientists have theorised about how a real warp drive might work.
Faster than light travel is more of a... problem though.
Phasers also don't seem so far fetched. Maybe where it's set to full and the thing being shot at disappears, it's gone too far. But a ray gun weapon that destroys or kills seems inevitable, as does one that can render a person unconscious.
Also replicators are not necessarily magic. We have first generation replicators right now with 3D printers.
I'm with you on the mushroom spores and the giant tardigrade. Obviously it's complete fantasy, and not at all credible as something that will ever be. Worse it makes no sense.
But it's not a soap opera. A soap opera doesn't have seasons,it's just endless episodes, with story threads being constantly started and overlapping with other ones. And soap operas do not have a protagonist.
Discovery is a serial. It has a season, and presumably has a story arc planned for that season. And it has a protagonist.
Previous Star Treks have been episodic, with the situation being reset after each one.
Most shows used to be episodic because people normally watched them when they were broadcast, which meant they might miss some, and with repeats, might end up seeing them in a fairly random order.
Serials are now the standard thing because so many people watch as box sets. Or alternatively they are streamed, and the expectation is that you'll choose to watch them all in order. There is no need to reset to a standard position between each episode.
Serials are undoubtably better. Look at Breaking Bad or 24 or homeland. They are so much richer for following long stories and character arcs than an episodic show can be. We're not so used to SciFi being a serial. But it has the potential to make for a much more interesting show.
"SJW"? Star Trek has always been a show with liberal values. In making the different "generations" of shows, they've always envisioned an evolution from broadly right wing authoritarian warmaking views of the past to more communistic liberal values of the future. And it's always pushed diversity, right from the multi-ethnic bridge in TOS, and the fist TV interracial kiss.
In this case it's probably a good thing. The battery technology required to store an EV significant amount of electricity in a light enough package for a drone is a long way off. If and when there is such a thing, this patent will have expired, making it possible for anyone to make such a product without being hindered by a patent.
I was watching on YouTube a video from the UK of a truck looking very much like the one in this story. Similar shape and size. And it was a film promoting electric delivery vehicles from the early 1980s.
This is deluded nonsense. In the past year most car manufacturers have completely changed their R&D plans, switching teams from designing future ICE car models to EV models. It's an international business, and they see which way the wind is blowing.
Even without legislation in a particular country there will be fewer and fewer models of ICE to choose from and more and more models of EVs.
Your ICE vehicles are going to be as rare on dealers forecourts as CRT screen TVs are now in electronics stores.
No. A levy is simply enforcing something on the poor, whilst allowing the rich to do what they like. People need to stop buying ICE cars and that includes the wealthy.
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"Who says the technology has advanced at a rapid clip? The hypesters that run these companies. These cars will still have employees in them."
Sure, but from the back seat (as in the video) the most they are going to be able to do is hit a button for emergency stop. What's being demonstrated here is that the car is now expected to be able to deal with all situations to be found in that area of Phoenix, with real life traffic and pedestrians.
We're not at a commercial Level 5 system yet. But it's getting tantalisingly close.
They are NOT all sitting on upcoming EV models. Most of them have only just woken up to the inevitability of BEVs this year. Most of the ones you see press releases about are vapour ware. They are not developed yet. Many of them have 2020 release dates!
Like I say you don't know about this market. You are making the silly mistake of assuming that if they can build ICE cars they can simply switch to BEVs. Well they can't, it's a whole different market.
Yes, I'm sure they are unaware of what Tesla is doing.
Which wasn't an answer to the point I posed. My point was about the dead-on-arrival technology of Hydrogen Fuel cells, not Tesla.
They produce millions of cars a year. If the market was demanding EVs they would be making them. We aren't there yet.
I'm afraid you are ignorant of the market. There is a demand for Bolt (Ampera E in Europe) that is not bieng fulfilled by GM. In fact you can't even order the Ampera E in Europe any more as they have no stock being delivered.
Similarly with Hyundai and the Ioniq EV. Current waiting times are 9-10 months from order.
It's a fact that the demand there and GM and Hyundai are unable to fullfill it.
And I didn't even mention the other car manufacturers that don't even have a credible EV yet.
Doing as well as Tesla? Tesla sells a rounding error worth of cars each year in comparison to the traditionals.
Again you are being mislead by old technology. We're talking about their ability to service the EV market. The number of old tech ICE vehicles they produce is irrelevant. As you can see from the Bolt and Ioniq examples I gave.
You're giving the traditional car companies far too much credit. Look at Toyota for example, they are still trying to promote hydrogen fuel cells. They don't know that that technology has been beaten.
GM and Hyundai have good EVs, but just like Tesla they can't produce even a fraction of what the market is demanding.
The only traditional car company that's doing as well as Tesla is Nissan.
"Decimating" would be the correct word.
I suspect your dislike of Apple isn't shared by your company at all. It'd be a pretty dumb move for a technology company not to hire Apple developers if they were available and affordable.
It's more even that that. The dad appears in the video, and is at one stage demoing animated emojis to his daughters camera. He just didn't seem to be aware that this was a problem himself.
Whats your personal experience? Have you been a smoker? Have you used ecigs?
Look, after a lifetime of smoking, and failing to give up, I successfully gave up completely using the stepping stone of ecigs.
What part of this do you not understand?
That was meant to read: "All companies are in it to make a PROFIT."
It is the path towards complete abstinence. It's a hell of a lot easier to switch to ecigs than to simply go cold turkey on tobacco. And it's also a hell of a lot easier to give up ecigs than to give up tobacco.
ecigs are the best aid yet to completely giving up nicotine.
Why are you looking for altruism? All companies are in it to make a product. That doesn't mean the products are necessarily bad.
That would be misguided then. Ecigs are such a fantastic thing because people can relatively easily more from tobacco cigarettes to them, and whilst they may not be perfectly safe they are far, far more safe than smoking. They should be encouraged, not discouraged.
My bet is that lobbying from the tobacco industry is responsible for this crackdown on ecigs.
Gratuitous? I'm not sure what that means in relation to "SJWs".
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was very much an in your face anti-racism story for example. Surely that would come under what right wingers would call "SJW'.
Warp drive is not beyond the realms of being real. Scientists have theorised about how a real warp drive might work.
Faster than light travel is more of a... problem though.
Phasers also don't seem so far fetched. Maybe where it's set to full and the thing being shot at disappears, it's gone too far. But a ray gun weapon that destroys or kills seems inevitable, as does one that can render a person unconscious.
Also replicators are not necessarily magic. We have first generation replicators right now with 3D printers.
I'm with you on the mushroom spores and the giant tardigrade. Obviously it's complete fantasy, and not at all credible as something that will ever be. Worse it makes no sense.
But it's not a soap opera. A soap opera doesn't have seasons,it's just endless episodes, with story threads being constantly started and overlapping with other ones. And soap operas do not have a protagonist.
Discovery is a serial. It has a season, and presumably has a story arc planned for that season. And it has a protagonist.
Previous Star Treks have been episodic, with the situation being reset after each one.
Most shows used to be episodic because people normally watched them when they were broadcast, which meant they might miss some, and with repeats, might end up seeing them in a fairly random order.
Serials are now the standard thing because so many people watch as box sets. Or alternatively they are streamed, and the expectation is that you'll choose to watch them all in order. There is no need to reset to a standard position between each episode.
Serials are undoubtably better. Look at Breaking Bad or 24 or homeland. They are so much richer for following long stories and character arcs than an episodic show can be. We're not so used to SciFi being a serial. But it has the potential to make for a much more interesting show.
"SJW"? Star Trek has always been a show with liberal values. In making the different "generations" of shows, they've always envisioned an evolution from broadly right wing authoritarian warmaking views of the past to more communistic liberal values of the future. And it's always pushed diversity, right from the multi-ethnic bridge in TOS, and the fist TV interracial kiss.
In this case it's probably a good thing. The battery technology required to store an EV significant amount of electricity in a light enough package for a drone is a long way off. If and when there is such a thing, this patent will have expired, making it possible for anyone to make such a product without being hindered by a patent.
DeLoean couldn't find customers at the time. They'd already become bankrupt before Back To The Future came out.
Tesla on the other hand has an order book stretching out years in advance.
So no, not the same at all.
I was watching on YouTube a video from the UK of a truck looking very much like the one in this story. Similar shape and size. And it was a film promoting electric delivery vehicles from the early 1980s.
There have been electric delivery trucks for decades.
Absolutely not. Read the last sentence of the post you replied to.
Reading between the lines that means that one or more people who hadn't worked in the job as long as him were not fired.
Sure. But like I said, they'd only get to do it once.
Bullshit.There are more than 2 options that exist now. I went through some with you already.
This is deluded nonsense. In the past year most car manufacturers have completely changed their R&D plans, switching teams from designing future ICE car models to EV models. It's an international business, and they see which way the wind is blowing.
Even without legislation in a particular country there will be fewer and fewer models of ICE to choose from and more and more models of EVs.
Your ICE vehicles are going to be as rare on dealers forecourts as CRT screen TVs are now in electronics stores.
No. A levy is simply enforcing something on the poor, whilst allowing the rich to do what they like. People need to stop buying ICE cars and that includes the wealthy.