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Star Trek: Discovery Is Returning For a Second Season (engadget.com)
Engaget reports that CBS' Star Trek: Discovery series is being renewed for a second season. The show has reportedly been enough of a success to justify a second season of episodes. From the report: The move comes as a vote of confidence for both the show and its platform, since it has recently aired the sixth of its fifteen-episode first season. Now, a second run of Discovery will air, presumably at some point toward the back-half of 2018. Discovery has certainly benefited from plenty of hype, since it's the first Trek show to air as a TV show since 2005. The pull of the Star Trek name was always going to be a draw, but it wasn't clear how much of a draw given the saga's lackluster popularity at the box office. CBS refused to offer numbers, but did boast that Discovery's debut lead to the highest number of sign-ups in the history of its All Access service.
I don't give a shit I'm not signing up for their stupid pointless streaming service just to watch one show. 0% chance the show will remain exclusive forever. I can wait.
As overrated as it is overexposed and oversaturated.
...and no one cared.
I can't imagine many of those subscriptions will be around for season 2.
The show itself kinda sucks. A lot of the technology bullshit is so far out there it's not even something you can remotely imagine as being real. There was a certain charm to the older series because you'd see stuff on the show and think "well, OK, maybe we'll see that in 50-100 years if we're lucky". Discovery is packed full of so much random crap you kinda look at it and go "uhhhh no, not gonna happen". It's like they decided to transition from futuristic-but-almost-plausible to outright space magic because that was easier to write.
Everything else feels like a bog standard Hollywood action movie with tons of CG. It's almost well done enough that it's generally watchable, but again, it isn't Star Trek. I don't find myself thinking about the implications of what's going in the show, in fact, I don't find myself thinking very much at all when I'm watching it. It's just kinda senseless action with the Star Trek name bolted on because OMG recognizable franchise.
I'm pretty sure it's going to get really old really fast (I'm already starting to get bored with it). Once they run out of inertia from the hype and name alone, the show is doomed.
"Discovery has certainly benefited from plenty of hype, since it's the first Trek show to have a character shout 'Fuck!'"
It's nice to see Star Trek back, and I'm still open to seeing where Discovery goes, but I'm only going to subscribe to All Access when new episodes are there. The rest of the time...
And I can't be alone.
CBS refused to offer numbers, but did boast that Discovery's debut lead to the highest number of sign-ups in the history of its All Access service.
Said CBS spokesman Donald Trump.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
And wouldn't waste my time watch STD lens flare edition even if it were free.
Fuck cbs and "star trek" discovery. I wouldn't waste my datacap and hard drive space even if I could get it free.
”CBS refused to offer numbers, but did boast that Discovery's debut lead to the highest number of sign-ups in the history of its All Access service.”
So that means at least 10 people signed up because of Discovery, I’m guessing?
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I didn't really like the new show. Not sure why, I used to like Star Trek, so I figured that I would really like it.
It seems a bit off.
I downloaded the first 2 episodes, watched half of the first one, then deleted them both. I want some compensation for my wasted time and mental suffering.
They should fire the writers of Discovery and hire the Orville team instead. Marry the solid writing of a real Star Trek show (The Orville) with the high production values of the knock-off (Discovery).
The Orville is a true to form Star Trek show disguised as generic sci-fi.
Discovery is generic sci-fi disguised as Star Trek.
I'm assuming All Access is a US thing. We have been watching it on Netflix here in Oz.
I'm seeing some negativity here, but I very much enjoy this season. It's Star Trek, but for once its crew is not infallible and almost-perfect. Nope, these people are damaged goods. Captain Lorca has been trapped, tortured, had to abandon his crew, etc. So he is VERY focused, to the point where you not only think "wow, this is a tough S.O.B." and then continues into the territory of eye-for-an-eye.
I don't much like their Spore Drive, but the dark and serious atmosphere makes it worth it, IMHO.
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I thought that was the Canadian Broadcast Service or something, but from the comments, it appears to be a US thingy.
My "cut cord" doesn't have anything but streaming channels for video.
I didn't really like the new show. Not sure why
Here's my reasons - see if any strike a chord.
First of all, none of the characters are likeable. I wouldn't care if any or all of them got eaten by their monster-cum-computer.
Second, the show lacks the "lightness" and humanity of previous incarnations. (Although Voyager comes close, in terms of grinding tedium and unnecessary earnestness).
Finally, the Klingons. Really? The show simply doesn't need all that pseudo-religious claptrap. In TOS and others, they were a bit-part, just another baddie. I have no desire to bond with them and don't need any of their back story, culture or infighting. Just shoot the suckers!
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Uh... 7.3 on iMDB for a TV show, that's not good. No need to wait.
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Apparently "flawed characters" are all the rage in Hollywood these days. Maybe, that's how they plan to make people accept Islam.
But they still can't stand Trump.
CBS and Netflix can waste it as they see fit. But I do not see the value in this lazily written superficial rendition of Star trek. It just isn't good.
I've been watching Trek for over 30 years. I can rattle off shocking amounts of Trek trivia (I mean shocking to me even when I think about it).
Re: those that are saying the new one is completely unrealistic. Pshaw I say sir, pshaw. None of the Treks have even been remotely realistic. TNG and the later ones tried to produce a veneer of pseudo-realism by using technobabble but that was always the most annoying aspect of the shows. Every episode was about these hyper-competent people rattle off nonsense words to resolve a problem virtually deus ex machina. I mean ones where the captain of the starship was giving the chief medical officer advice on how to treat a completely unknown alien disease. I honestly think that they'd come up with story, plot it out, see that it was about 30 minutes of screen time and then say "ok grab the technobabble bible and insert 12 minutes worth of standard dialog lines." I mean seriously, how many times have you heard "modulate the shield harmonics?"
And then all their techno-magic worked perfectly except when it didn't. Replicators can produce everything we ever need until there is a macguffin it can't. Transporters remove the need for tiresome landing scenes until they want a landing for the purposes of plot. The list is endless.
So Discovery has dialed the technobabble way back, it's dealing way more with real relationships and real drama, it's showing aliens that are actually alien (at least way more than human + minor facial variation previously used), it's added in a respectable amount of action for excitement. All in all, it is by a country mile, the strongest first season of a Trek ever. If it continues to improve, then it will be truly amazing.
So the captain and the admiral spend the night together, then jump out from under the covers pretty much fully clothed in the morning. This is the pureUSA version of sex, makes you wonder how they did it, and why they're still doing it fully-clothed in the 23rd century. Don't think international audiences are gonna follow this show for long.
I'm speculating but I think the Klingons are going to explain the disparity between the different ones we have seen on screen and how such a war-like species ever managed to develop into the Klingon Empire we see in TNG.
We know that a considerable number of Klingons were affected by a virus that was accidentally created when they were trying to use Human augment technology to enhance themselves, which was covered on Enterprise. That resulted in the Klingons we saw on the Original Series, who lacked forehead ridges and looking more human than Klingon.
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There is also the possibility of Klingons surgically altering themselves to look human. CBS hasn't hidden this very well.
So I think they are working towards explaining all this and fitting in with existing canon. Something profound will happen to the Klingon Empire that makes them reject hard-core religion and unite to become what we know from TNG.
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I'm just glad there's two space adventures shows running at the same time. How often do we get that?
Surprised to see that nobody has mentioned the writers have been accussed of plagiarising a large chunk of the plot devices and ideas as well as characters. The tardigrade, characters and mushroom spores were purportedly stolen from an indie game released in 2014.
warp field is far more believable than instantaneous travel to anywhere based on mushrooms that exist everywhere at once.
I just watched the 6th episode on Netflix. I was very annoyed by the mushroom idea at first but I now really like the idea of a biological agent growing in a separate plane of reality, covering all of the universe and maybe (spoilers?) bringing life to all of it.
I think it could have been ants or cockroaches, too, but the concept of an all encompassing mold is just plausible to everyone who ever owned an old house. I would have expected it in Doctor Who, though.
And I really like the characters they are building - here's hope that Discovery will live long and prosper.
Given that the show is supposedly set about a decade before TOS, and that nobody in the whole Star Trek universe heard of Spore Drive until Discovery, should mean that Spore Drive technology will fail so spectacularly that nobody ever mentions it again and they just settle for "slow" Warp Drive for the rest of the future. Even the Borg have only Trans-Warp conduits to help them move faster.
If they still have Spore Drive in season 2 they're mad - otherwise they'll have to declare it an "alternate universe" story, and then watch how everybody suddenly understands why the Klingons look like a totally different species.
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The problem with deflector dishes is that the ship is travelling at (say, warp 2, which is four times the speed of light) and the deflector dish puts out a beam which travels faster than that forward of the ship to sweep away all that pesky interstellar dust.
Two things :
- Alcubierre drives, the theoretical physics concept around which the fictional warp drives are based do not actually move the ship.
At all. The ship stays completely immobile in its own frame of reference. (There wouldn't be a way to move it past speed of light anyway).
What you move it the frame of reference it self. You bend the space time it self. You contract it in front of the ship, and expand it behind.
And unlike speed of things which is limited (at C, the speed of light), space-time bending isn't limited
(How the hell to you think our real-world astronomers can observe the distant past by looking at far away points in the space ? if our solar system was just a moving object, it would obligatory move slower than speed of light, and the light emitted in the distant past would have "over-taken" us and would not be observable anymore. The trick is that the space time of our actual universe did expand it self. More space was "created" between the objects, so that now they are further apart, and we can still catch "glimpse" of the beginning of the universe - some of these past images haven't reach us yet, because these image suddenly have way more space to travel to reach us because of that space-time expansion)
The only difference is that Alcubiere drive is a completely theoretical concept. It might not even be doable in the real world : it might happen that distorting the space time this way could require more energy than contain in the universe that you're trying to distort (it took a whole bigbang to expand our universe).
Whereas in Star Trek they just use dilithium crystals or some other fictional stuff in their warp core and can warp around freely.
- Speed of light. :
You're reasoning "the deflector dish puts out a beam which travels faster than that forward of the ship" is based on old classical physics (the speed of some launched from a moving something is the sum of both speeds : a photon launched from a ship travelling near the light speed would it self be launched at nearly twice the lights speed). Classical physics at that speed don't work and give wrong results (there's no such thing as an object moving at twice the light speed).
You're entering the realm of relativist physics
No matter what, the light speed (in vacuum) is constant and the same same every where in all referential. When an object is moving, from the point of view of the object the radiation it's shining forward will travel at exactly 1 C. From your point of view as an observer, the radiation of the deflector will travel at exactly 1 C *too*.
The thing that will change is the time and space. The scales will seems squished and time will seem running slow, so at the end, both the ship and observer will see the same distance/time = speed of light for the radion. The speed of light doesn't change, is the distance and time which end up being different.
There's a bunch of math to compute all this, but then ... (appropriate citation, in Bone's voice) I'm a doctor, Jim ! Not an astrophysicist)
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(Also not mentioned in your post, but also relevant to the discussion of Star Trek technology : artificial gravity and inertial dampeners.
General relativity.
Which basically states that gravity actually works by playing around with space time too. Except this time, it isn't by expanding or contracting space, but by curving it. Objects aren't actually "attracted" to each other. They simply travel on straight lines (imagine a point travelling on grid on a sheet of paper), but the "straight lines" them selves are curved by the presence of mass (if you draw a sun in the middle of your sheet of paper, the grid suddenly isn't squares anymore but spirals that head towa
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I'm with you on the mushroom spores and the giant tardigrade. Obviously it's complete fantasy, and not at all credible as something that will ever be. Worse it makes no sense.
A plane of mold, extending below all of universe and multicellular life feasting on it. Makes perfect sense to me. Yes, thats complete fiction bordering to fantasy, but still, very plausible.
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"Faster than light travel is more of a... problem though."
BS.
Everything is made of dipoles. There is no mass, it's an attractional force not a property. The force is lower for particles moving together or apart all other things being equal due to the stretch/compress of the spin component of dipole X on the spin component of dipole Y, i.e. momentum is the reduction in the dipole attraction force not some sort of energy stored in the motion of the mass.
Particles are donuts of twisting dipole chains, photons are the same dipoles as a cloud of disconnected dipoles. Donuts of dipoles behave like big high charge dipoles themselves because of the twisting. Same number of dipoles, different arrangement, reduces the dipole force to near zero.
OK, so how can you travel faster than light if that model is correct?
Easy, 1) the limit of the dipole attraction between two points is a local maxima of the dipole force. The same equation creates local maxima at 2c, 3c, 0, -1c, -2c,..... i.e. the speeds we see near 0 might actually be near 500c. relative to some other far away reference, and OUR speed of light might be 501c relative to that reference.
2) The net dipole binding force on any matter is the sum of a lot of these limit functions and isn't itself bound by the single limit. i.e. you see the universe tear-assing away faster than light *not* because space is stretching, but because it's genuninely tear-assing faster than light outward to other things pulling outside our view. So the other way to go faster than light is to get pulled by a something and be far enough away from this universes pull so as not to be bound by its limit function.
OK, so you need to be already far away to get far away faster than light, I didn't say it was practical, only that the current model of matter is incorrect.
Who actually enjoys that propagandist piece of turd? Orville is a much better modern Trekkie show, with a dash of comedy.
I'm enjoying it. They're making a lot of references to the EU of Trek; the old Pocket Books novel series that really fleshed out most of it (such as, for example, the Klingons wanting to be declared 'Unforgettable') and what not. ST:TAS introduced basic holodecks to the original Enterprise, so whatever.
Which leads to the second point; *real life* has already outstripped TOS in so many ways, it would be impossible to make a 'prequel' that looked like 'earlier technology' than TOS without it looking really fucking stupid. Besides, I remember when ST:TMP came out, people asked 'why do Klingons look different?' Roddenberry said 'That's what they've always looked like, we just didn't have the capability back in the 60s.'
Third, I thought they did a great job of coming up with, dare I say, the first 'logical' explanation of why Sarek would hook up with a human woman, and why he was able to get away with it.
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It sure didn't get renewed due to all the anxious viewers. Are you sure the cast isn't sleeping with Harvey Weinstein?
VPN to some other country will allow viewing if I ever get bored with all the stuff already available legally in the USA without paid TV.
CBS has been firing their customers for a long time, unless you like that CSI crap. Seems they've been learning from NBC and Comcast.
Everyone here probably has a 200+ book backlog anyways. Read a book, read a muther fukin; book.
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Star Trek Discovery is about as enjoyable as an STD, so its abbreviation is suitable, at least. This show is utterly irredeemable. I'm like the O.P. above, I want my money back. I've been watching DS9 again and it's leagues ahead of this crap. I gave up watching it after episode three (I think) where, 10 minutes or so into the show, there was a full minute of pointless Klingon dialogue - in Klingon and with subtitles! The Orville is more Trek than this garbage. What were they thinking? I'm running out of ways to express my profound disappointment in STD.
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I will watch it once it gets to Netflix (never? Too bad). Not going to spend that kind of money for one show. I used to sub to Hulu before they fucked up their interface.
The only network I would willingly subscribe to would be the CW, since they have several shows I want to watch (The Flash, Arrow, Supergirl, and Legends of Tomorrow). Unfortunately they don't offer a paid version, so if I want to watch current episodes I have to sit through the damned commercials. I'll wait until Netflix gets them too I guess.
THE SOFTWARE, IT NO WORKY!!!
(1) Don't pretend this is the Star Trek universe; it's too different.
(2) Stream it on standard platforms instead of your own pointless attempt at another streaming platform.
Show the cost on these all access subscriptions. I'm done signing up for services that say "free trial" but don't state their actual cost. Sure, I can dig into the FAQ or fine print and find their annual fees, but if I can't see the cost up front, without digging around, then I'm not going to sign up for something that's a pure time sink wasting even more of my time by hiding their costs. This isn't a necessity like Internet service (who are also guilty of this practice). Why do we still live in a world where this is accepted? Phone plans have largely done away with these deceptive practices, so why do we still let other industries do it?
This crap gets renewed when shows like APB, Constantine, and other quality shows get cancelled? What a ripoff.
Holodeck Pre-TOS: It was supposed to be new in the Era of TNG.
Holographic Displays everywhere: Was there *EVER* any in Trek?
Transporters like they're safe!: McCoy was still concerned about transporters in TOS, and the tech was still known for mishaps in the TOS era. Yet they use them in EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION they could be dangerous. I mean beaming them off a small fast moving fightcraft being fired on by the Klingons? That sure seems like the sort of situation a 'new' technology would have mishaps with.
The biggest issues so far were believing Michael had ever passed for Vulcan, that the commander woman who was sleeping with the Captain and died on Discovery was that stupid, and that Tilly/the Admiral were that touchy feely emotional as a recruit on a Black Ops ship, and an Admiral in the Federation. The Admiral sleeping with the Captain just felt like something out of The Orville, which makes wonder if the fraternizing in that show was a jab at ST:D (even more apt giving all the sleeping around.)
Here is hoping at 2 seasons, it will also be notable for being the shortest Trek series ever and not get a third...
Having said that, the Captain, the gay scientist, the doctor, and a few other characters have all been top notch, if not what you'd expect of Trek figures. Honestly if they had spun it as an original show and omitted the Trek aspects I might like it, but too much of it feels JJ Abrams inspired, rather than post-Enterprise or strictly pre-TOS. Personally I think it would have been a lot better if they had done it in retro motif with TOS style sets and uniforms and kept the budgets small. Oh and make an intro that seemed like a Trek instead of an evolution of the crappy intro in Enterprise. Trek is about *SPACE*, show a starscape, show a ship. Don't show a crappy montage on a sepia colored screen.
CBS finally gets a show that would get me to click over to their local affiliate, only to lock it behind a paywall streaming service.
Haven't watched anything on CBS in decades...
From what I read, Discovery is full of brush on diversity for the sake of diversity, not because how different characters enhance a story line. And also, Klingon commander is modeled after Trump. So anyway, I don't want to watch something like Rogue One and spoil my impression of the other series I used to love as well. Star Wars went south with Jar Jar Binks I think. And yes I know Gene Roddenberry was a socialist and earlier shows touch on politics of the day like cold war. But at the very least it's not politics that is around me right now and I can watch these episodes as some interesting stories happening in 24th century, not someone trying to moralize about the same things I am sick and tired of IRL.
Commonly, in TOS and TNG anyway, there was a lesson to be learned from each episode. For example, "Let that be your last battlefield" was a commentary on race, in TNG, "The measure of a man" was commenting on what is consciousness, and slavery. In Discovery, I don't detect any of those lessons.
Another fake space show about fake space. So fake, even the fake space fans can't space it.
Space is fake. Earth is flat.
I think he's saying you can *simulate* sound coming from all around you, because after all, you only have two ears.
If people never rotated their heads, that would be true.
That's because you don't know the lore. The humans in the star trek universe have a high aversion to genetic engineering in any form because of the eugenics wars.
Interesting comment.
Yes, I've been noticing that the new Trek has had people use the word "eugenics" several times when the correct word should have been "genetics". If this is references to the eugenics wars-- they consider any use of genetic technology applied to humans as a slide toward "eugenics"-- that now makes sense
Actually, I really like the spore drive, and Captain Lorca.
The rest seems a bit pandery, bit SJW, a bit lame.
Holodeck Pre-TOS: It was supposed to be new in the Era of TNG.
Holographic Displays everywhere: Was there *EVER* any in Trek?
Transporters like they're safe!: McCoy was still concerned about transporters in TOS, and the tech was still known for mishaps in the TOS era. Yet they use them in EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION they could be dangerous. I mean beaming them off a small fast moving fightcraft being fired on by the Klingons? That sure seems like the sort of situation a 'new' technology would have mishaps with.
The biggest issues so far were believing Michael had ever passed for Vulcan, that the commander woman who was sleeping with the Captain and died on Discovery was that stupid, and that Tilly/the Admiral were that touchy feely emotional as a recruit on a Black Ops ship, and an Admiral in the Federation. The Admiral sleeping with the Captain just felt like something out of The Orville, which makes wonder if the fraternizing in that show was a jab at ST:D (even more apt giving all the sleeping around.)
Here is hoping at 2 seasons, it will also be notable for being the shortest Trek series ever and not get a third...
Having said that, the Captain, the gay scientist, the doctor, and a few other characters have all been top notch, if not what you'd expect of Trek figures. Honestly if they had spun it as an original show and omitted the Trek aspects I might like it, but too much of it feels JJ Abrams inspired, rather than post-Enterprise or strictly pre-TOS. Personally I think it would have been a lot better if they had done it in retro motif with TOS style sets and uniforms and kept the budgets small. Oh and make an intro that seemed like a Trek instead of an evolution of the crappy intro in Enterprise. Trek is about *SPACE*, show a starscape, show a ship. Don't show a crappy montage on a sepia colored screen.
I think this show might have been better billed as occurring sometime after STNG with all the "modern" tech they like to use (really don't see this show fitting in to the timeline of 10 years before TOS).
As for your statement that "the biggest issues so far (is) believing Michael had ever passed for Vulcan", Michael wasn't supposed to pass as Vulcan. She is a full human that was adopted by Vulcans (Spock's family no less) and is the first human to train at the Vulcan academy.
There once was this boy. His parents had had 6 other children, but they all died before the age of 6 months. For this reason he was known as a miracle child.
He believed that people with blue eyes and blond hair were a superior race. Though he did not have these himself. He got some so called doctors and scientists to work on a way to change eye and hair colour later in life.
You may have heard of him as he became leader of a nation known as the Third Empire.
Adolf Hitler
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The spore drive is implausible space magic! Not like earlier versions of Star Trek, which rigorously adhered to believable future technology. A tardigrade that can whisk the Enterprise through space instantaneously, what rubbish.
Now of course if they'd called it the "Q drive", and had it operate through the power of the Q continuum, that would have been believable. But no, this new series is a betrayal of Star Trek and all it stands for!
Too bad I can't let my kids enjoy Star Trek like i did groing up. There is way to much swearing and immoral behaviours going on
Its also got a little Bond, shaken, not stirred. "Tell me James, do you still sleep with a Phaser under your pillow?
I think there was too much super advanced tech post TNG to make much of a series about.
Time travel devices on Klingon shuttles, Anti-Borg weapons. Holographic life forms. Sentient Starships.
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda would probably be the next logical step for Trek after the 24th century.
Either that or a time travel centric series starring the USS Relativity, and/or Daniels of ENT.
Watched the first two episodes. The captain role especially appeared massively overacted and frankly lame.
Not even close to Picard or Janeway. Fracking letdown. Don't waste your time or money, this ain't Startrek.
The science does seem to be better, and when characters are stupid, the show acknowledges it.
Seems like about a third of what I've watched so far has been me saying "that was stupid", followed by another character on the show saying it was stupid.
Who would have ever though MacFarlane would make a better Star Trek than Star Trek?
Oh crap, another season? Just spore me, now...
I signed up. I watched the premiere. It was terrible. That was the end of my signup.
I don't know WTF is wrong with having a damned science advisor on the production team, and listening to them. But apparently there is something wrong with it. Because they either didn't have one, or they didn't listen to them, either of which is deadly for producing something that purports to be SF.
I'll grant you that trek has always been some kind of broken, science-wise, but this version, the premiere anyway, was near maximum suck.
And then there were the long angsty conversations in the captain's ready room when there was a bloody emergency going on.
What a load of CGI-shiny poop.
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If CBS had so much confidence that STD would help their fledgling streaming service, they should have given free accounts as a Star Trek\Whatever their service is called promotion. Anyone can sign up for free at any point during the first few episode or maybe even the season and get their whole service free for the duration of the first season. Then "because STD is so great" everyone would have signed up to pay for their service going forward.
At Least with The Orville, if I miss an episode I can just go to the Fox website and watch it for free - no sign up required.
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Time travel devices on Klingon shuttles
Augh! Not time travel! I'd already decided from the first episode that it probably wasn't worth watching, certainly not worth buying the CBS package to watch just Trek. The soap opera stuff really puts me off, too. Jar-Jar Abrams involved, very evil omen.
But time travel? Dang. I am so sick of "Let's Do the Time Plot Again" that I could puke. I wouldn't watch it if it were on free TV at this point.
Besides, I've got a few unwatched episodes of The Expanse on the Tivo that are way more SF goodness than Trek has managed to produce since Wrath of Khan, at least.
Holodeck Pre-TOS: It was supposed to be new in the Era of TNG.
Yeah, that puzzled me as well. On the other hand, it was shown in use by friendly aliens in ST:Enterprise, and it has IIRC only been used once (for tactical training). I also suspect that the main reason that it was not in TOS was that the special effects technology of the time did not make it feasible for them. What irked me more about that was their kill count. If klingons are so bad fighters, it is surprising that the Klingon empire haven't been overwhelmed by fiercer fighters ... like maybe the vulcans?
Transporters like they're safe! [snip] I mean beaming them off a small fast moving fightcraft being fired on by the Klingons?
Dangerous? Yes. More dangerous than trying to get the fighter to board? Maybe not.
The Admiral sleeping with the Captain just felt like something out of The Orville
Assuming that the two was an item before they became senior officers and that the Federation is not as uptight about sex as modern American culture, it makes some sense that an admiral unsure of the sanity of an important and driven captain could take unorthodox measures to get him to let down his guard so that his actual mental state shone through. Rubbing in his nose, however, was rather stupid on her part.
Having said that, the Captain, the gay scientist, the doctor, and a few other characters have all been top notch, if not what you'd expect of Trek figures.
The captain is an interesting character. I just hope that they stop making him the superman-action star who can kill 1,000 klingons with his bare hands before breakfast while chewing bubble-gum and curing cancer.
The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head
Both of the subscribers will be over joyed with this news!
Listen, Netflix paid for the thing
My guess is that Netflix is seeing enough interest in it to continue the production. CBS is already has 100% return on investment, it's all gravy or them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Discovery
"Also in July, CBS Studios International licensed the series to Netflix for release outside the United States and Canada,[34] a "blockbuster" deal that paid for the show's entire budget (around US$6–7 million per episode"
Time travel on Klingon shuttles is a reference to post TNG trek, in this case when future Janeway steals a time travel device from the Klingons so she can go back in time to help voyager kill the Borg - see part 1 of the voyager final.
The holodeck would have been in TOS if it had not been cancelled. Councillors too.
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Transporters like they're safe!: McCoy was still concerned about transporters in TOS, and the tech was still known for mishaps in the TOS era. Yet they use them in EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION they could be dangerous.
Meanwhile, The Orville avoids them. There is some kind of transporter technology, but only in the hands of higher-tech-level aliens, without even explaining how they work (magic reassembly, wormholes, whatever).
And it's a good thing too, because transporters are a lazy-ass plot device, probably the weakest tech of Star Trek. Okay, so you can be disassembled inside the transporter station, but how does it cause you to be reassembled perfectly, hundreds of miles away?
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And it's delayed ratings (people watching later on dvr) boosted it's first day ratings by 133%.
Orville is true to the spirit of star trek (including many star trek alumni). It's dramedy- not comedy.
STD has fewer (I think much fewer) star trek fans involved. STD is "Kelvin" which isn't real star trek to begin with.
And STD is being sold on a model I can't support. I will not support a model of $10 per station.
I suspect I would not have liked a distopic, downer, game of thrones star trek even if it were on netflix or amazon prime tho.
And I certainly don't care for Kelvin.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
not even the free episode.
So i guess they don't really want my money then?
It was done to cut cost. One transporter set eliminated the need to fly down every time and disembark.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
I was getting it elsewhere, it's flawed but watchable. However, I realized that by paying, I help support the season which presumably provides incentive for continuing this and other similar productions. They have to get paid to show this shit, and somebody has to pay. I don't mind that.
"He's using a quantum encryption scheme! That'll take hours to break!"
Let's hope FOX renews Orville too. Fox likes to axe other scifi shows like Firefly, Almost Human, etc.
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Pile of shit. FTFY
They kept saying it was "cannon, just wait..."
Reminds me of the old Bob Newhart show. Remember how the second incarnation of his show ended? The entire second series was just a bad dream being had by the main character from the first incarnation.
That would explain a lot.
To quote Tom Smith. . .
It's just a temporal shift --
We try explaining it, but just-can't-get-it-right!
Break out the techno-babble --
It's Science Fiction Lite!
Ignore the stuff you kno-o-o-ow --
This stuff'll rot your bray-ay-ay-ay-ay-ain!
Let's do the Time Plot again!
Let's do the Time Plot again!
The animated series showed what was effectively a holodeck.
As was experienced with Enterprise, the creators are stuck between a rock and a hard place -- managing strict canon and timeline adherence vs being visually modern enough to not look dated to today's viewers. Things like this I notice, but the elephant in the room is the whole spore drive insanity.
Oh... I gave up on Voyager long before then.
Eight six four two
We can blame it all on Q
Augh! Jar-Jar Abrams involved, very evil omen.
Bah... Did you see who the executive producer is? Akiva Goldsman, the most overrated writer in Hollywood. One who has NEVER done a decent Sci-Fi project.
"Lost in Space" – I rest my case.
There's also the rumor that next season will take place in a new setting, with new characters. And that the show will be retro-branded as an "Anthology".
Star Trek Discovery? Ha! More like: Trek's Anatomy.
Eh
Watched first episode for free.
Eh
Just wasn't pulled in, and certainly not enough to pay a service.
Back to reruns of TOS, etc.
I think I'd be much happier with the show if nobody pretended it had anything to do with Star Trek. Nothing in this show fits the established Trek universe. I don't need to expand on this if you're a Trekker.
I can safely say at this point that this will be the first Trek TV series I'll never own, and I'm saying this as someone who's purchased every Trek series from the 40-disc TOS set onward (and I'm not talking about the cheap sets you can buy today), and then repurchased everything that was subsequently made available on Blu-ray. JJ-Trek also put an end to my Trek-purchasing history.
I've been voting with my wallet, and CBS has lost a fiercely loyal customer.
I'm not going to pretend it's all crap and that nobody should see it. I'm just saying the current incarnation of TV series/movies is for an audience I'm not part of.
http://i.imgur.com/5bA92Sb.jpg Are Klingons really Klingons? Also, was THAT the so-called big surprise "change" in an all new Star Trek? Just changing the race of who is in command? So much for originality...
Roddenberry had planned for the holodeck to be in TOS, but due to budget issues it was never used. It did appear in the animated series though.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC