I never thought the browser or media player were the bad thing, might as well argue the included TCP/IP stack. Life moves on and essential grows. It was the inability to remove those items and having to pay for Windows even if I wasn't going to use it that got me.
RAIDs for business are never overkill, they are essential. Given the cost of a RAID, they are getting into the "great for home use" price range following the path of UPSes.
I hate Microsoft because I had to pay for their product, when I had no intention of using it. I was buying an approved computer to use OpenStep for the x86 and had to pay for Microsoft Windows despite not wanting it.
Until it is required for manufactures to refund the cost of Microsoft Windows from machines that are not bought with Windows, I will continue to hate Microsoft.
Just to be fair to the PostgreSQL support companies, it should be mentioned that the MySQL people don't own all of the code you use - Oracle owns two major pieces.
Not really complaining. Just telling you that not having a native GUI version on a platform that prides itself on the GUI is a non-starter. It really is that simple. You see, the end user won't know about these "standards" for UNIX-derived systems, they will just see an interface that looks and act different which requires an additional piece of software to run. Trying to convince end-users they are wrong or stupid for their choice of platforms doesn't really work very well. In fact, it works about as well to tell a Linux user that they made a poor choice when they should be using the industry standard operating system - Windows.
You'd have to be very silly indeed to write a major F/OSS office suite, and not make it support X11.
Depends on you goal, really. Maybe you want an open source suite that runs on the majority platform very well or uses unique features of a non-open source platform (Core Image / Video / Animation etc. on OS X). Maybe your problem with Microsoft Office is not monetary or ethical, but you have a different paradigm that you think would work better and you actually like Windows / OS X.
It makes no sense to start out a multiplatform F/OSS project on Cocoa, because _nothing_ is compatible with it.
The GNUstep team might have reason to disagree. It is very possible to write software for GNUstep that compiles and runs fine on OS X.
There's nothing wrong with those things at all. They're just not part of the default OS X gui.
Your second sentence contradicts your first. Look, Mac users expect a consistent, good looking gui. OpenOffice will not be popular on the Mac unless it looks like a Mac App. Heck, a lot of Carbon-based Apps are looked down upon because they do not look as good as the Cocoa Apps.
This is a golden opportunity for OpenOffice, but if the attitude that non-native UI isn't a big deal, then I don't have high hopes.
I've always found it ridiculous how Mac users don't like running cross-platform applications under X. X is a standard for windowing on *nix systems, even if it's old and a little broken.
Given the cognitive ability of some of these singers (see any tabloid), writing lyrics they can memorize and sing while still sounding reasonable (or even thoughtful and intelligent) is a real art form.
It gets worse when you think of the insurance / lawyers you have to have (every drug will kill someone) and the number of drugs that do not make it to market. Ask Phizer about the pain of a failed clinical trials cycle.
PostgreSQL it is still missing the SQL:2003 Window Functions that are critical in business reporting, so Oracle and DB2 will still win out for OLAP/data warehouse applications.
Apparently the submitter has not been visited by any of the plethora of reporting tools vendors who will tell you (without you asking) how crappy the built-in stuff is and how great their stuff is.
Also, given the text, isn't Oracle and DB2 also missing those critical SQL:2003 Window Functions?
Lisp should definitely be in there. Heck, start all the students on Common Lisp and we won't have everyone thinking all languages need to look like Algol.
I was thinking the security patch / fix a bug / make it work route. For the most part, the groups actually changing features have used a different name (e.g. Camino). I have no problem with different feature sets needing a new name, but I am little wary of slow uptake on patches needed to get stuff working on other environments. I kinda wish Mozilla had developed a scheme for naming that would have prevented the need for Ice Weasel.
I would imagine he / she assumed that if I am running on Windows XP, then give me the Windows XP theme. If I am running on OS X, give me an OS X theme.
I am personally for these laptops as I feel that modern technology is largely responsible for ruining these people lives, so the only way they will ever have any power is to get control of technology.
Despots have a longer history of ruining peoples lives then technology. Technology doesn't kill people, People kill people. Gotta love not holding people responsible for their actions and instead blaming some concept or object.
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I never thought the browser or media player were the bad thing, might as well argue the included TCP/IP stack. Life moves on and essential grows. It was the inability to remove those items and having to pay for Windows even if I wasn't going to use it that got me.
her dignity is maintained
dignity or 'freedom from embarrassment' is not protected under the constitution - free speech and peaceful protest are.
Personally I think the RAID was overkill,
RAIDs for business are never overkill, they are essential. Given the cost of a RAID, they are getting into the "great for home use" price range following the path of UPSes.
real software engineers (that is, engineers who can legally call themselves engineers)
Where exactly is this possible?
why worry about a closed source browser when they already have closed source drivers. that would seem to be a more fundamental problem.
I hate Microsoft because I had to pay for their product, when I had no intention of using it. I was buying an approved computer to use OpenStep for the x86 and had to pay for Microsoft Windows despite not wanting it.
Until it is required for manufactures to refund the cost of Microsoft Windows from machines that are not bought with Windows, I will continue to hate Microsoft.
Just to be fair to the PostgreSQL support companies, it should be mentioned that the MySQL people don't own all of the code you use - Oracle owns two major pieces.
great.... "nonsensical" content - no wonder Google is becoming so polluted with crap. I do hope the search engines adapt to this crud.
Not really complaining. Just telling you that not having a native GUI version on a platform that prides itself on the GUI is a non-starter. It really is that simple. You see, the end user won't know about these "standards" for UNIX-derived systems, they will just see an interface that looks and act different which requires an additional piece of software to run. Trying to convince end-users they are wrong or stupid for their choice of platforms doesn't really work very well. In fact, it works about as well to tell a Linux user that they made a poor choice when they should be using the industry standard operating system - Windows.
You'd have to be very silly indeed to write a major F/OSS office suite, and not make it support X11.
Depends on you goal, really. Maybe you want an open source suite that runs on the majority platform very well or uses unique features of a non-open source platform (Core Image / Video / Animation etc. on OS X). Maybe your problem with Microsoft Office is not monetary or ethical, but you have a different paradigm that you think would work better and you actually like Windows / OS X.
It makes no sense to start out a multiplatform F/OSS project on Cocoa, because _nothing_ is compatible with it.
The GNUstep team might have reason to disagree. It is very possible to write software for GNUstep that compiles and runs fine on OS X.
There's nothing wrong with those things at all. They're just not part of the default OS X gui.
Your second sentence contradicts your first. Look, Mac users expect a consistent, good looking gui. OpenOffice will not be popular on the Mac unless it looks like a Mac App. Heck, a lot of Carbon-based Apps are looked down upon because they do not look as good as the Cocoa Apps.
This is a golden opportunity for OpenOffice, but if the attitude that non-native UI isn't a big deal, then I don't have high hopes.
Well, if you could write a program to port VBA to AppleScript or Automator you would probably have a lot of sales.
Excel users will notice, oh Lord will they notice
seems you answered your own question.
Given the cognitive ability of some of these singers (see any tabloid), writing lyrics they can memorize and sing while still sounding reasonable (or even thoughtful and intelligent) is a real art form.
It gets worse when you think of the insurance / lawyers you have to have (every drug will kill someone) and the number of drugs that do not make it to market. Ask Phizer about the pain of a failed clinical trials cycle.
except for the fishes and underwater plant
Apparently the submitter has not been visited by any of the plethora of reporting tools vendors who will tell you (without you asking) how crappy the built-in stuff is and how great their stuff is.
Also, given the text, isn't Oracle and DB2 also missing those critical SQL:2003 Window Functions?
Lisp should definitely be in there. Heck, start all the students on Common Lisp and we won't have everyone thinking all languages need to look like Algol.
Full Frontal Nerdity has a great comic on this subject.
I was thinking the security patch / fix a bug / make it work route. For the most part, the groups actually changing features have used a different name (e.g. Camino). I have no problem with different feature sets needing a new name, but I am little wary of slow uptake on patches needed to get stuff working on other environments. I kinda wish Mozilla had developed a scheme for naming that would have prevented the need for Ice Weasel.
I would imagine he / she assumed that if I am running on Windows XP, then give me the Windows XP theme. If I am running on OS X, give me an OS X theme.
but don't call it Firefox (gotta love TM law and policies generated from it)
Despots have a longer history of ruining peoples lives then technology. Technology doesn't kill people, People kill people. Gotta love not holding people responsible for their actions and instead blaming some concept or object.
Two Words: broken led
Apple replacing the perfectly fine, hand editable plist format with an XML version. ick.