From what I remember, another guy had been arrested for something unrelated to Weaver. In an attempt to deflect his own criminal problems, he claimed -- I believe it was never proven or even a lie -- that Weaver sold him an illegal sawed-off shotgun. The warrant was issued for Weaver's arrest as you stated, with a wrong date. Weaver had apparently made statements -- alleged -- not to mess with him. Fact is, just about everything they had on Weaver was alleged, charged, etc. Think about that. What's the difference in that and the people being held by the U.S. military now?
The feds show up at his place armed to the teeth. The murder his son and his wife -- carrying their infant and simply standing, looking out the back door of the house. The federal agent who pulled the trigger on the high-powered rifle, with scope, had to clearly see he was murdering a mother with infant.
The government vehemently defended their actions before congress. I saw some of the hearings. It took a fancy/shmancy trial attorney wearing suade leather to make the courts understand what had happened.
And, yes, I watched tv, the news, round-table discussions and, yes, the left was up-in-arms about how Weaver had it coming. No mention of civil rights, constitution, human rights, name it. Only the right seemed to be aware of those issues then.
Yes, it's wrong now and yes, it was wrong then and, guess what, whoever it may be tomorrow or next year or next decade -- no matter what belief or color or creed... it'll be wrong then too....
It's not as if every characterization of Ruby Ridge has focused on him being a quasi-militant racist who shot back at the feds, or that every characterization of Waco has focused on them being a "cult" armed to the teeth, led by a Jim-Jones-style personality.
Thank you for proving my point. The left always points out how errored the parties were under attack in their ideology. You see, you cannot look at Ruby Ridge objectively. You simply, must, see it, first, as someone you disagree with. Oh, sure, you then go into a "I think that was wrong to... but...." That "but" is where you are failing. With freedom, there is no "but."
Pardon me for being incensed, but where were you people when the Reeves family was slaughtered on Ruby Ridge? Sure, a guy who was a white, racist bigot, living in the mountains -- away from everyone where a bigot should be -- who was having charges brought against him, unproven charges. The response of -- not the local or state law enforcement agencies, but of the federal government -- was to go in to his domain, para-military style. The apex of the event was when his wife, carrying their infant, had her head blown off. What about that family's rights? It took a very long time for any justice to remotely happen, and no one from the government served any time for those murders.
Yes, I'm conservative, but I'm independent in my politics, and the left simply was quiet, or jumped on the band-wagon, in the whole Ruby Ridge affair. There were either crickets from the left as the agencies under their control slaughtered this family and/or there was a basic, "well, he had it coming. He was a bigot after all."
Had it not been a white family, the left would have risen up in arms.
I appreciate the defense to freedom and human rights you offer, but I am appalled at the existence of an overt double-standard....
Freedom is freedom and human rights are human rights. When you valiantly defend the rights of your enemy as well as you would defend your own, then you have arrived.... (queue Voltaire).
It's a lack of represented professions. It's lack of not enough of everyone, or anyone, besides a lawyer. Plain and simple, and old as hat, government is ran by lawyers. Few are from any other profession. No, this is not another lawyer bashing, it is pointing out the fact that the masses would benefit from a more even, representative, spread of professions and knowledge-bases than are currently represented.
I honestly cannot remember the exact words he used, and I will not argue your points. I just know that it seemed to me that Stallman was definitely trying to Trump Torvalds in some for or another. I invite you to simply watch the documentary yourself and draw your own conclusions. Those were mine....
I've watched Stallman in several interviews (techtv, etc.), read his stuff, etc. From my novice pov, most notably, I remember his presence in Revolution OS. Torvalds had just finished speaking, was remaining on stage, and Stallman gets up to give a rambling "talk" about open sournce. The gist of what Stallman was trying to say, to me, was, "I made open source! Not Linus! It was mine! I wanted herd to be the kernel! Rosebud!..."
While he rambled, Torvalds played with his kids who had ran up on-stage. While having fun as a father in front of all, in seeming bliss with his children, Stallman continued to ramble in an obvious, "me! me!"
I can empathize with Stallman. I work in a large corporation and have had ideas, projects, code stolen by others, presented as theirs and/or subtley been pushed aside by someone with an agenda I didn't see coming, or wasn't prepared for. But you have to learn to adapt, give, agree, comply and, yes, work with others.
Stallman strikes me as a very bright, visionary guy who simply doesn't play well with others....
Torvalds handles the whole affair with poise....
Perhaps the best description of Stallman now is the man of yesterday wondering about, rambling "rosebud...."
Diakatana has been heralded as a magnificent failure. This is due, more, to the hype surrounding it. Imagine yourself, circa the last 90s, where Quake is the WoW of that day, and one of the "developers" who does all the talking for the company leaves -- cuz they fire him -- and he is creating this end-all game that will be the next "Quake" (cuz, after all, he was the force behind id!). The thing comes out and is dismal, the reviews are dismal, it's all dismal.
Yes, I bought and played it too, and I can say that based on all of the above, and just as an average game in general, it sucked.
Me making an ad hoc comment that Daikatana sucked is as benign, and uncontrovesial, as me saying oxygen is good to breath. The best part of this whole thing is that someone wasted a mod point (further displaying the partial failure of the modding system).
In any event, I coulda just ate a ton of troll bait too....
It's so old, it doesn't even mention diakatahna -- well, that or the fact that it's the 20 worsst SNES game.... Which is, yet, more evidence of how old it is....
In other news, whale songs are being investigated in the ocean. The ocean, itself -- being a great conductor of sound waves, could be the largest p2p network on earth, and if lawyers can piece together three consecutive notes of any copyrighted materials, whales could be served with papers... or harpoons....
I know this. And at my age (trust me I'm old) I can remember the whole ruby ridge incident and reactions from the camps. Look, I'm fickled too. We all are, and, yes, I just made a very biased statement. And, yes, I am from a part of the country that's more old fashioned.
But, believe it or not, I'm actually well educated and a hang of a lot of fun to drink with. If we were in a bar talking about this, I'd be laughing my ass off and so would you. I wouldn't have it any other way....
Ruby Ridge -- Randy Reeves & family half-slaughtered. He deserved it because he was a racist, gun-totting hillbilly. The left had little to say for his "rights," or for the rights of his infant-carrying wife shot in the head.
Now, the left is ready to go move to Ruby Ridge and take up residence wielding the same guns. Why? Because the thing being attacked now isn't the racist spewings of a white bigot, but the legitimate complaints of the constition's destruction.
Both are all about the first ammendment.... Both are attacks on the constitution.... Let's take the double out of our standard....
The logic is flawed in the parent post. Whether "the people" could or could not "whoop" a malformed government is not the point. The point is giving them that chance. This is what the founders meant. The 2nd ammendment has been so bastardized to the point of losing all meaning -- as much of the original constitution.
I love it when ideologies come full circle and make strange bedfellows, but here we have it. "Liberals" invoking the 2nd ammendment. Ah! Now I can die....
I do fully believe in the right to free speech, untainted, unchanged, unhindered. And I do also believe in the right to keep and bear arms. The two go hand-in-hand. At some point, everyone will come to embrace these, matter at which other point in the past you did not, and this why they are there and should remain intact.
My favorhelliote thing was whIen netheed to sysop wotuakeld stdoartwn lethtteing yserouver know in the middle of your typing that he needed to shutdown and it would mesh with your typing in the terminal....
Like the piece symantec did last year -- I think was -- on firefox and security, it still stands. They have a vested interest in firefox NOT being a solution for computer security. I take their reviews with a grain of salt....
Very good point. All anyone has to do is read UT to see how well he divides between his father's comments and his own (when I say "father" there, that's J.R.R.T. to the unwashed).
My impression of/. is that vast majority have probably never read LoTR much less the other, foundational works only known because of Christopher and his vast labors....
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You leave out the possibility of all gun owners assembling, organizing and revolting, together....
From what I remember, another guy had been arrested for something unrelated to Weaver. In an attempt to deflect his own criminal problems, he claimed -- I believe it was never proven or even a lie -- that Weaver sold him an illegal sawed-off shotgun. The warrant was issued for Weaver's arrest as you stated, with a wrong date. Weaver had apparently made statements -- alleged -- not to mess with him. Fact is, just about everything they had on Weaver was alleged, charged, etc. Think about that. What's the difference in that and the people being held by the U.S. military now?
... it'll be wrong then too....
The feds show up at his place armed to the teeth. The murder his son and his wife -- carrying their infant and simply standing, looking out the back door of the house. The federal agent who pulled the trigger on the high-powered rifle, with scope, had to clearly see he was murdering a mother with infant.
The government vehemently defended their actions before congress. I saw some of the hearings. It took a fancy/shmancy trial attorney wearing suade leather to make the courts understand what had happened.
And, yes, I watched tv, the news, round-table discussions and, yes, the left was up-in-arms about how Weaver had it coming. No mention of civil rights, constitution, human rights, name it. Only the right seemed to be aware of those issues then.
Yes, it's wrong now and yes, it was wrong then and, guess what, whoever it may be tomorrow or next year or next decade -- no matter what belief or color or creed
I stand corrected on Weaver. Thanks.
It's not as if every characterization of Ruby Ridge has focused on him being a quasi-militant racist who shot back at the feds, or that every characterization of Waco has focused on them being a "cult" armed to the teeth, led by a Jim-Jones-style personality.
... but...." That "but" is where you are failing. With freedom, there is no "but."
Thank you for proving my point. The left always points out how errored the parties were under attack in their ideology. You see, you cannot look at Ruby Ridge objectively. You simply, must, see it, first, as someone you disagree with. Oh, sure, you then go into a "I think that was wrong to
[Yes, I've brought this up before]
Pardon me for being incensed, but where were you people when the Reeves family was slaughtered on Ruby Ridge? Sure, a guy who was a white, racist bigot, living in the mountains -- away from everyone where a bigot should be -- who was having charges brought against him, unproven charges. The response of -- not the local or state law enforcement agencies, but of the federal government -- was to go in to his domain, para-military style. The apex of the event was when his wife, carrying their infant, had her head blown off. What about that family's rights? It took a very long time for any justice to remotely happen, and no one from the government served any time for those murders.
Yes, I'm conservative, but I'm independent in my politics, and the left simply was quiet, or jumped on the band-wagon, in the whole Ruby Ridge affair. There were either crickets from the left as the agencies under their control slaughtered this family and/or there was a basic, "well, he had it coming. He was a bigot after all."
Had it not been a white family, the left would have risen up in arms.
I appreciate the defense to freedom and human rights you offer, but I am appalled at the existence of an overt double-standard....
Freedom is freedom and human rights are human rights. When you valiantly defend the rights of your enemy as well as you would defend your own, then you have arrived.... (queue Voltaire).
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It's a lack of represented professions. It's lack of not enough of everyone, or anyone, besides a lawyer. Plain and simple, and old as hat, government is ran by lawyers. Few are from any other profession. No, this is not another lawyer bashing, it is pointing out the fact that the masses would benefit from a more even, representative, spread of professions and knowledge-bases than are currently represented.
I honestly cannot remember the exact words he used, and I will not argue your points. I just know that it seemed to me that Stallman was definitely trying to Trump Torvalds in some for or another. I invite you to simply watch the documentary yourself and draw your own conclusions. Those were mine....
I've watched Stallman in several interviews (techtv, etc.), read his stuff, etc. From my novice pov, most notably, I remember his presence in Revolution OS. Torvalds had just finished speaking, was remaining on stage, and Stallman gets up to give a rambling "talk" about open sournce. The gist of what Stallman was trying to say, to me, was, "I made open source! Not Linus! It was mine! I wanted herd to be the kernel! Rosebud!..."
While he rambled, Torvalds played with his kids who had ran up on-stage. While having fun as a father in front of all, in seeming bliss with his children, Stallman continued to ramble in an obvious, "me! me!"
I can empathize with Stallman. I work in a large corporation and have had ideas, projects, code stolen by others, presented as theirs and/or subtley been pushed aside by someone with an agenda I didn't see coming, or wasn't prepared for. But you have to learn to adapt, give, agree, comply and, yes, work with others.
Stallman strikes me as a very bright, visionary guy who simply doesn't play well with others....
Torvalds handles the whole affair with poise....
Perhaps the best description of Stallman now is the man of yesterday wondering about, rambling "rosebud...."
"Spirit survices 1000 SOLs...."
I'm the only who thought, "SOLs?... sh1t outta luck?..."
Diakatana has been heralded as a magnificent failure. This is due, more, to the hype surrounding it. Imagine yourself, circa the last 90s, where Quake is the WoW of that day, and one of the "developers" who does all the talking for the company leaves -- cuz they fire him -- and he is creating this end-all game that will be the next "Quake" (cuz, after all, he was the force behind id!). The thing comes out and is dismal, the reviews are dismal, it's all dismal.
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Yes, I bought and played it too, and I can say that based on all of the above, and just as an average game in general, it sucked.
I am not alone in this. (Queue wiki):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Romero's_Daikat
Me making an ad hoc comment that Daikatana sucked is as benign, and uncontrovesial, as me saying oxygen is good to breath. The best part of this whole thing is that someone wasted a mod point (further displaying the partial failure of the modding system).
In any event, I coulda just ate a ton of troll bait too....
It's so old, it doesn't even mention diakatahna -- well, that or the fact that it's the 20 worsst SNES game.... Which is, yet, more evidence of how old it is....
"How do you kill that which has no life?..."
In other news, whale songs are being investigated in the ocean. The ocean, itself -- being a great conductor of sound waves, could be the largest p2p network on earth, and if lawyers can piece together three consecutive notes of any copyrighted materials, whales could be served with papers ... or harpoons....
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room...."
I know this. And at my age (trust me I'm old) I can remember the whole ruby ridge incident and reactions from the camps. Look, I'm fickled too. We all are, and, yes, I just made a very biased statement. And, yes, I am from a part of the country that's more old fashioned.
But, believe it or not, I'm actually well educated and a hang of a lot of fun to drink with. If we were in a bar talking about this, I'd be laughing my ass off and so would you. I wouldn't have it any other way....
Yes there were, but more like before and leading up to. It was reversed when his pitiful corpse was doused with gasoline and set on fire....
The country became a police state the moment it allowed, like sheep, the income tax....
Cracks me up....
Ruby Ridge -- Randy Reeves & family half-slaughtered. He deserved it because he was a racist, gun-totting hillbilly. The left had little to say for his "rights," or for the rights of his infant-carrying wife shot in the head.
Now, the left is ready to go move to Ruby Ridge and take up residence wielding the same guns. Why? Because the thing being attacked now isn't the racist spewings of a white bigot, but the legitimate complaints of the constition's destruction.
Both are all about the first ammendment.... Both are attacks on the constitution.... Let's take the double out of our standard....
The logic is flawed in the parent post. Whether "the people" could or could not "whoop" a malformed government is not the point. The point is giving them that chance. This is what the founders meant. The 2nd ammendment has been so bastardized to the point of losing all meaning -- as much of the original constitution.
I love it when ideologies come full circle and make strange bedfellows, but here we have it. "Liberals" invoking the 2nd ammendment. Ah! Now I can die....
I do fully believe in the right to free speech, untainted, unchanged, unhindered. And I do also believe in the right to keep and bear arms. The two go hand-in-hand. At some point, everyone will come to embrace these, matter at which other point in the past you did not, and this why they are there and should remain intact.
My favorhelliote thing was whIen netheed to sysop wotuakeld stdoartwn lethtteing yserouver know in the middle of your typing that he needed to shutdown and it would mesh with your typing in the terminal....
Like the piece symantec did last year -- I think was -- on firefox and security, it still stands. They have a vested interest in firefox NOT being a solution for computer security. I take their reviews with a grain of salt....
Badnewhughes recent youtube contribution is worth every bit of 1.5 bill....
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Yes, but it has a good body. You just can't see it....
Very good point. All anyone has to do is read UT to see how well he divides between his father's comments and his own (when I say "father" there, that's J.R.R.T. to the unwashed).
/. is that vast majority have probably never read LoTR much less the other, foundational works only known because of Christopher and his vast labors....
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