These Via machines are strictly business -- not for gaming. While the processor might keep up with the demands of the game, there just isn't an AGP or PCIe slot to hang a modern graphics card on - just one PCI slot.
I don't have the box in TFA yet, my experience is just with the 1.3 GHz via mini-itx board. It only supports 1GB of DDR-400, but will drive four IDE and two SATA drives for a total max of (I think) 6TB of direct attached storage. It has svideo out.
I got decent fullscreen video (standard def) from a ripped DVD. JibJab, Homestarrunner and so on are still fun to watch. I can't remember if I ever looked at Youtube on it. They're nice for mythbox type stuff. You can get a 98% efficient power supply for it from mini-box.com that takes 10v - 19.2v DC and drives the whole system off of that. With the notebook style power brick that means no PSU fan -- just one tiny 40mm fan on the CPU.
These boards are popular for thin clients as well.
I had it in my cart this morning. Didn't close the deal. Maybe I can catch the next round. I also would like to know how many they sold and how fast. If any come available open box maybe I can get one of those.
I have the 1.3GHz via, and I like it. With Vista any kind of video is a slide show, even with the XP drivers loaded. Runs XP decently well with 1GB of memory. With Ubuntu it's just a regular PC. Power efficient, there are kits to scale it down for your car. It's not a toy -- you can do real stuff with it.
If anybody bought one of these and aren't happy with its linuxy wierdness, try selling it on ebay. I think you'll do better than taking it back to the store.:-)
I'm not buying the $299 one with Vista and twice the RAM. They can keep that. You can get a 2GB stick of DDR2-800 at newegg for $50 so if they wanted $250 for the box with 2GB in it I could go there.
WalMart does not like to run out of stuff. I wonder if they'll take this as a sign that Everex isn't ready to be a WalMart supplier, or as a sign that we're all ready for the smokin cheap environmentally friendly linux pc. Can Via even make the motherboards to meet the demand? I hear their output is rather limited.
With their crapulent MCE OS offerrings MS has just about convinced Intel there is no market for HTPC. Now we find that MS wants the whole market with its non-Intel XBox.
Will Intel respond with some non-Microsoft developments, or will they surrender another market to the Beast of Redmond?
Ultimately Microsoft has to take ownership of the entire PC hardware market if they are to sustain growth. They are already an OEM of desktop PCs in India. If they take the consumer electronics space also there's nothing left but servers. How long before they're drooling over that high margin business?
At a store by my home you can choose from 17 different options to buy water, not counting the hose for filling your radiator and three kinds of ice. The only omitted choice is water that costs less than gasoline. Choice is not inherently bad so I agree with you.
It's not just here man. Microsoft is poison. Everyone knows that. You get in bed with them and you might as well kiss your business goodbye, if not your entire part of the industry.
Thank you Sir, for proving my point. Your post stands as a genuine example of irrational/. anti-Microsoft fanaticism.
"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." Jean-Louis Gassée, former CEO, BeOS
If Sendo's case progresses, it's likely to add new stars to the litigation firmament - one which has already brought us phrases such as "cut off the air supply", "knife the baby" and faked videotape evidence, and the most likely star in this turn should be one Marc Brown, who simultaneously served as a Sendo director while being employed by Microsoft. More on Marc in a moment.
Sony makes explicit its fear that: "Microsoft will use its monopoly power to force its OEM licensees to give up intellectual property rights, thus affording Microsoft the opportunity to expand its power."
After events like this case of Alexander Ponosov the choice is clear. If there is no money for licensing or your licensing vendor can't be trusted, there is no third choice. It's penguins or prisons.
It is time that Russian schools recognized that prohibition doesn't work. All this what-about-the-children zero tolerance for freedom War On Penguins does is encourage crime and populate the prisons. When will US schools see the light?
Let's see what he's got to say about it. From the "Profiles" page of his dynamic consultancy (Bold emphasis mine):
As President and Principal Analyst of the Enderle Group, a forward looking emerging technology advisory firm, he provides regional and global companies with guidance in how to better target customer needs; create new business opportunities; anticipate technology changes; select vendors and products; and practice zero dollar marketing. For over 20 years Rob has worked for and with companies like Microsoft, HP, IBM, Dell, Toshiba, Gateway, Sony, USAA, Texas Instruments, AMD, Intel, Credit Suisse First Boston, GM, Ford, ROLM, and Siemens.
Just make a regular die, deposit more silicon on top, put your second processor on top. Interconnect with through silicon vias. Repeat. Now we're scaling in 3 dimensions and Moore's law is safe for 50 years or more.
For the rest of this post, unix=mac=linux, AOL=Compuserve=Windows. I know there are differences. It's a metaphor. Live with it.
The Internet and unix have always been around. Back when you lost your internet account because you graduated or left your military contractor job you used to have to make a deal with an internet service provider that would give you IP access. Sometimes you couldn't. Back then compuserve and AOL were quite popular. Watching people use that was so sad, but you couldn't teach them the error of their ways. They wouldn't listen because they thought they had a good thing.
Then the common man found out about the Internet and for some time we had to deal with questions like "who's a good source for Usenet News" and "if you finger yourself, can anybody see?" The AOL invasion in particular was hideous -- they multiplied the Internet population by about a factor of ten overnight.
That's the pattern I'm seeing repeat here. As people convert to Linux they're going to ask silly questions. They'll be up to speed before too long. Until then, bear with them.
And the people who want to keep using AOL and Windows? They're still out there and they probably always will be, just like there's people out there connecting with Windows. A few less every year, but don't berate them. They think they're doing OK because they don't know any better and most of them will come around eventually. The rest of them we can live without.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go get some kids off my lawn.
SGI cases were prettier, but I digress. If all you're doing is checking emails, word processing and some dev work, Ubuntu is fine. But once you get to any level of _serious_ creative work, Macintosh is the only viable option left with the demise of Irix. And let's not forget the bit about everything working with minimal hassle on the Mac. Ever tried using a graphics tablet as your core pointer in Ubuntu? Or using a KAOS pad? Or just about any higher end, vaguely exotic multimedia hardware, for that matter? Yeah, I didn't think so.
For deployments Mac rocks also. They include an imaging application in the install CD, and a broadcast imaging server in OSX Server. Deploying an app in OSX is as simple as dropping it on the client's icon from the server, or it can be managed in groups. In short, management services of OSX macs are included in the base install and they're easy.
Further, I'd like to point out that those "pointless Linux distro reviews" never explain how to get, say, your nVidia card to spit out more than 640x480 (the problem which stymied me last time I tried Linux), or how to get wifi to work, or any of the real problems you actually have after install.
Not only did I not have trouble last week getting good video on my Nvidia card, I didn't have trouble installing World of Warcraft and Burning Crusade under Cedega.
Maybe you haven't tried in a while. IE runs in Linux under Crossover Linux. So does Office.
If you don't need Windows to run Microsoft Office, what is it good for? We know what it's bad for: security.
Or maybe you're just incompetent. Or maybe you're a troll. In that case, my bad. Feeding trolls is bad.
My subject and comment express my opinion. My sig is reserved for bringing people's attention to other important issues.
Could the bankrupt SCO drag things out for years as a zombie corporation shielded by bankruptcy law and financed by the shadow banks of their puppetmaster?
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That's easy. You just distill the H2 into a liquid and mix it with something like xanthan gum to make it gelatinous.
These Via machines are strictly business -- not for gaming. While the processor might keep up with the demands of the game, there just isn't an AGP or PCIe slot to hang a modern graphics card on - just one PCI slot.
I don't have the box in TFA yet, my experience is just with the 1.3 GHz via mini-itx board. It only supports 1GB of DDR-400, but will drive four IDE and two SATA drives for a total max of (I think) 6TB of direct attached storage. It has svideo out.
I got decent fullscreen video (standard def) from a ripped DVD. JibJab, Homestarrunner and so on are still fun to watch. I can't remember if I ever looked at Youtube on it. They're nice for mythbox type stuff. You can get a 98% efficient power supply for it from mini-box.com that takes 10v - 19.2v DC and drives the whole system off of that. With the notebook style power brick that means no PSU fan -- just one tiny 40mm fan on the CPU.
These boards are popular for thin clients as well.
I had it in my cart this morning. Didn't close the deal. Maybe I can catch the next round. I also would like to know how many they sold and how fast. If any come available open box maybe I can get one of those.
I have the 1.3GHz via, and I like it. With Vista any kind of video is a slide show, even with the XP drivers loaded. Runs XP decently well with 1GB of memory. With Ubuntu it's just a regular PC. Power efficient, there are kits to scale it down for your car. It's not a toy -- you can do real stuff with it.
If anybody bought one of these and aren't happy with its linuxy wierdness, try selling it on ebay. I think you'll do better than taking it back to the store. :-)
I'm not buying the $299 one with Vista and twice the RAM. They can keep that. You can get a 2GB stick of DDR2-800 at newegg for $50 so if they wanted $250 for the box with 2GB in it I could go there.
WalMart does not like to run out of stuff. I wonder if they'll take this as a sign that Everex isn't ready to be a WalMart supplier, or as a sign that we're all ready for the smokin cheap environmentally friendly linux pc. Can Via even make the motherboards to meet the demand? I hear their output is rather limited.
The cyclonic motion of hurricanes was discovered in that place, and the settlement there was wiped out three times in five years by hurricanes.
Is code for high margin opportunity.
A vm on every desktop for serving stuff, with some management glue to make it look like the vm is running on a server in a rack?
Is it not time for that yet?
With their crapulent MCE OS offerrings MS has just about convinced Intel there is no market for HTPC. Now we find that MS wants the whole market with its non-Intel XBox.
Will Intel respond with some non-Microsoft developments, or will they surrender another market to the Beast of Redmond?
Ultimately Microsoft has to take ownership of the entire PC hardware market if they are to sustain growth. They are already an OEM of desktop PCs in India. If they take the consumer electronics space also there's nothing left but servers. How long before they're drooling over that high margin business?
At a store by my home you can choose from 17 different options to buy water, not counting the hose for filling your radiator and three kinds of ice. The only omitted choice is water that costs less than gasoline. Choice is not inherently bad so I agree with you.
Then you haven't tried visio.
"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." Jean-Louis Gassée, former CEO, BeOS
The Register:
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Irrational. Yeah.
Apply here to screw Java: Microsoft recruits more J# developers During Chase's cross examination the DoJ produced a memo from Gates written prior to the meeting, where he says "we have to make sure that we don't allow them to promote Netscape" Screws went onto IBM at Gates' bidding HP, Gateway: MS Seattlement terms screw us too The following is the text of Stac Electronics' patent infringement complaint against Microsoft Corp.
I see what you're saying. Completely irrational /. anti-Microsoft fanaticism. That's what it is.
After events like this case of Alexander Ponosov the choice is clear. If there is no money for licensing or your licensing vendor can't be trusted, there is no third choice. It's penguins or prisons.
It is time that Russian schools recognized that prohibition doesn't work. All this what-about-the-children zero tolerance for freedom War On Penguins does is encourage crime and populate the prisons. When will US schools see the light?
It's not funny any more.
Was it ever?
The reason you gave is valid, and it's only one of many.
The site is insensitive. I didn't read it thoroughly and am sorry I linked to it.
We didn't need that vivid an example of what trolls these are.
>I don't know about Enderle.
Let's see what he's got to say about it. From the "Profiles" page of his dynamic consultancy (Bold emphasis mine):
Let's research what is "Zero Dollar Marketing". Hm. I see.
I'll mark this one down as shill then.
When you post on your phone.
Is not to put it in.
Just make a regular die, deposit more silicon on top, put your second processor on top. Interconnect with through silicon vias. Repeat. Now we're scaling in 3 dimensions and Moore's law is safe for 50 years or more.
no worries.
When your biggest complaint is you can't handle change. "It's different" is not an excuse to refuse to use something better.
It didn't work out and they had to destroy their secret lab before it got further out of control.
For the rest of this post, unix=mac=linux, AOL=Compuserve=Windows. I know there are differences. It's a metaphor. Live with it.
The Internet and unix have always been around. Back when you lost your internet account because you graduated or left your military contractor job you used to have to make a deal with an internet service provider that would give you IP access. Sometimes you couldn't. Back then compuserve and AOL were quite popular. Watching people use that was so sad, but you couldn't teach them the error of their ways. They wouldn't listen because they thought they had a good thing.
Then the common man found out about the Internet and for some time we had to deal with questions like "who's a good source for Usenet News" and "if you finger yourself, can anybody see?" The AOL invasion in particular was hideous -- they multiplied the Internet population by about a factor of ten overnight.
That's the pattern I'm seeing repeat here. As people convert to Linux they're going to ask silly questions. They'll be up to speed before too long. Until then, bear with them.
And the people who want to keep using AOL and Windows? They're still out there and they probably always will be, just like there's people out there connecting with Windows. A few less every year, but don't berate them. They think they're doing OK because they don't know any better and most of them will come around eventually. The rest of them we can live without.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go get some kids off my lawn.
For deployments Mac rocks also. They include an imaging application in the install CD, and a broadcast imaging server in OSX Server. Deploying an app in OSX is as simple as dropping it on the client's icon from the server, or it can be managed in groups. In short, management services of OSX macs are included in the base install and they're easy.
Just wanted to point out that if you're using a printer from HP you should be fine. Other vendors that take money to be incompatible, maybe not.
I guess the market will decide whether it's more profitable to be compatible. HP has over 1000 open source printer drivers available right now.
Not only did I not have trouble last week getting good video on my Nvidia card, I didn't have trouble installing World of Warcraft and Burning Crusade under Cedega.
Maybe you haven't tried in a while. IE runs in Linux under Crossover Linux. So does Office.
If you don't need Windows to run Microsoft Office, what is it good for? We know what it's bad for: security.
Or maybe you're just incompetent. Or maybe you're a troll. In that case, my bad. Feeding trolls is bad.
My subject and comment express my opinion. My sig is reserved for bringing people's attention to other important issues.
I think it will see resistance even after SP1, even from customers who've paid for it twice over under Software Assurance.
When you can't get the people who've already paid for it to install it, what does that say about it?
Could the bankrupt SCO drag things out for years as a zombie corporation shielded by bankruptcy law and financed by the shadow banks of their puppetmaster?
Oh, the horror.
A little light fiction might make it more palatable.