There it is again. Where would socialism/marxism/communism BE without the No True Scotsman fallacy?
As opposed to capitalists who whine that the U.S. has never had a free market economy?
and like Fox Mulder, people just want to believe
Blah blah blah. Words have meaning. Socialism means the workers own the means of production - if they don't, it aint socialism. Not a hard concept to grasp.
As to why I can afford it... Because I didn't buy the biggest house I could.
How many people can buy a house at any price and afford to stop working for a full calendar year? This is as obnoxious as the twits who dismiss 5-6 figures in student loan debt because he put himself through college in the 80's, working summers at a hardware store. You know, when the cost of your entire degree is equal to one semester's worth of today's tuition dollars.
NPR, on the other hand, is the exact opposite. The people they have commenting in interviews, the people they have commenting, the hosts, and the callers are largely in favor of the FBI.....It's like Opposite Day or something.
Opposite day? More like every day....it's not referred to as National Pentagon Radio for nothing, or Nice Polite Republicans, if you prefer.
All companies get called out on their actions, but many more get called out on their statements.
As long as their company name is Apple, sure. Same with "walled gardens" - how many wankers on Slashdot whine about Apple's "walled garden" and then fire up a game on their PS4 or XBone later that evening?
It's only fair to call them out on their bullshit and punish them for it.
Hateboi bullshit. None of you wankers actually care about Chinese workers, you're just looking for an excuse to whine about Apple.
The reason Capitalism works is because it's balanced on all ends. Workers work for what they get, business owners sell for what they can get, and consumers pay what they consider to be a fair price.
In some alternate universe where the worker is free to enjoy third word prices and the boss is forbidden from hiring workers from the third world? Of all the willfully ignorant religious fanatics, capitalists are some of the most annoying.
Calling Trump "racist" tells me you're probably a Democrat - great for you, but it's not your primary.
Of course he's racist. So is Hillary "Superpredators" Clinton. That's why she's such a shitty general election candidate - if the Dems try to attack any of Trumps flaws, he can just throw them back in Hillary's face.
calling people racist for opposing affirmative action, or welfare reform, or the claim that wanting to reform social security would be sending grandma & grandpa to die on the streets
Because it's true. "Fiscal conservatism" is a long series of rationalizations for amoral shitbaggery.
In other words, our government doesn't have an income problem - it has a spending problem.
If you're talking about the imperial budget, sure. Otherwise, you're a Randian that should buy a house in Michigan and drink the tap water. Low taxes have very high costs for society.
There's a couple of things wrong with that. Nobody paid those top marginal rates, nobody.
Deductions do nothing to change the fact they paid a far higher percentage of the nations taxes than they do now.
Top 20% pay 84% of all taxes and bottom 20% not only DON'T pay taxes but actually get PAID by the IRS. We've had socialist redistribution of wealth in the USA for many years.
Randian horsefuckery. The poor pay plenty of sales and property taxes, so the "no taxes line" is a lie to start with. Then there's the fact that the 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the half the country's combined income. OF COURSE the rich pay more in taxes, they're the ones that have all the money.
or vote for the crazy outsider who spouts racism, intolerance and a populist message which happens to resonate with a lot of people who perceive the current situation to be the fault of everyone in Government.
Yes, like the time Trump said refugee children should be deported to their home countries to "send a message" to their parents. Oh, that was Hillary.
Well, there was that time that Trump vowed to "totally obliterate" Iran for a non-existent nuclear weapons program. Wait, that was also Hillary.
Bernie Sanders probably would talk about it, but he's too scared of the crazy SJW's in his party calling him a racist if he criticizes the H1B system or advocates putting American workers first.
Actually....that is one of the criticisms leveled against him by the SJW's and Hillbots: that Sanders has opposed immigration reform in the name of protecting American jobs. Funny, though, that they haven't turned on Hillary for saying child refugees should be deported to "send a message" to their parents. Almost like they're all political hacks, or something....
Maybe he's more of your kind of democrat but that doesn't make him more of a democrat.
He adheres to the longtime tenets of the Democratic Party platform far, far more than Hillary. Which would make him far more of a Democrat than Hillary, by definition, no?
Yeah, really. Econ 101....you increase the size of the labor pool relative to the number of jobs available, and you lower labor costs for employers. That's the entire point of the H1B program and periodic calls from hack politicians like Obama for a million new STEM graduates over the course of a decade. Increase the number of workers to reduce costs for employers.
If the party overrides the voters with Superdelegates, you can kiss the Democratic Party goodbye, as it will join the Whigs in the shitter. So, naturally, some people are hoping that happens, as the party pissed away it's chance to reform itself after the election of Obama. Now it's just another right wing mess like the GOP.
So stop the bitching about work because done guy with a desk job was replaced. I'd like to see him turn wrenches for 70-80 hours a week on night shift with me. I'm 30 years old and my body aches non-stop. Fuck that guys desk job.
And somewhere there's an actual slave who would tell you to STFU because at least you're getting paid. Bosses just looove crabs like yourself.
Oooo, a tone troll, how original. What's the real problem: that people are fed up with zombie lies, or that people keep repeating them now matter how many times they are debunked. Remember Republicans spending years blaming Clinton for Waco and Ruby Ridge, when the former happened five weeks into his presidency, and the latter happened before Clinton was elected, much less took office?
I can't state with any authority that this data is accurate, but it shows multiple scenarios, under which EITHER candidate may have won.
Do tell which scenario is more accurate than a state-wide recount. A state-wide recount that the press did after the election. A statewide recount which Gore won under any method chosen. Now, you were tonesplaining about something?
The recount that the Florida Supreme Court ordered was not in accordance with Florida law. Since the US Constitution specifically states that electors are chosen "as the state legislature directs", and existing US Supreme Court decisions makes that power plenary (not subject to ANY judicial review by ANY court for ANY reason) the Florida Supreme Court-ordered recounts were blatantly unconstitutional and illegal.
Nonsensical hand waving. What was the Florida supreme court following? State law, and the the state constitution.
It doesn't matter WHO was recounting the ballots - the recount was not per Florida law as passed by the Florida legislature.
Yeah. It was.
The fact that Democrats/leftists/liberals were and are willing to throw away the rule of law in order to win is downright fucking scary.
You mean what SCOTUS did, stopping a recount based on the prima-face-bullshit reasoning that different standards were being used in the recount. Because of course you're going to count op-scan ballots in a different way than punch-cards. The only standard that mattered, was determining the intent of the voter.
The standard used by the state supreme court.
Gore tried to unconstitutionally lawyer his way to the White House - and failed. Thankfully.
And as the Onion said, 'our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity' was over, dumbfuck.
What did I just say about delusional winger bullshit? SCOTUS stopped Florida from completing their statewide recount, so they were not counted until the press did their own recount after the fact.
in the timeframe allocated to do so
The only "timeline" involved was the January 20th date to swear in the next president. The state had more than enough time to complete a full recount. Hell, there was even precedent, when it took weeks to certify Hawaii's votes when it was Kennedy and Nixon. Maybe if Ginny's last name was Clinton, wingers would have noticed that, if only for a couple of seconds.
The result was certified by the Florida Secretary of State
Who happened to chair Bush's campaign in the state. No corruption or conflict of interest there. Nor in Scalia refusing to recuse himself despite his son working for Bush's campaign, nor Thomas's wife who was busy collecting resumes for a Bush Administration, over at the Heritage Foundation.
past the date the electoral college meets to cast their votes
Straw man and a non-response, all in a nice little package.
Trying to remove the effect of the votes of all the Florida voters is not "counting every vote".
Sophistry.
State law defined the process that Gore was trying to get overridden by SCOTUS.
Is our children learning? I already said it was the the state of Florida performing the recount, not Gore's campaign. That is what was stopped by SCOTUS.
Yes, facts remain even when wingnuts try to make stupid stuff up.
So you're finally going to stop repeating made up wingnut stuff? What was stopping you before? At the end of the day, this isn't hard: do facts matter to you, or now? It's a fact that Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush. It's a fact that was the case even after Republicans counted illegally cast military ballots while kicking thousands of poor eligible voters off the rolls. It's a fact that if either justice with a conflict of interest had recused himself, the state supreme court would have been left in charge of the process, following state laws and the state's constitution.
I'm saying the comparison between driving a car and boarding a plane as a passenger as a fallacious one. You need a drivers license to drive, but you don't need a pilot's license to board a plane. Anymore than you need a license to board a bus or a train.
Right, just like how Reagan and H.W. Bush were fucked the second Clinton was elected president, and pressed forward with the Iran-Contra prosecutions.
Oh, wait, that's not what happened, because these fuckers all play for the same team. The Republicans don't give a shit about Hillary's indictable war/corruption crimes, because 1) they've committed those crimes themselves and 2) plan on committing them again.
It is a false urban myth that Gore would have won the recount.
Your urban myth. Fact is, press recounts showed Gore winning a state-wide recount under any scenario. Which means Gore got more votes than Bush in Florida, despite all the shenanigans like counting illegally cast military ballots (which helped Bush) and fraudulently baring poor (mostly black) voters from the polls (which hurt Gore).
Which means that the 2000 election was stolen, the wrong guy spent 8 years in the oval office, and that's just a fact that wingers will have to deal with.
They found one standard that if it had been applied in only the D heavy districts of Florida would have given the win to Gore. All other standards and recount areas gave the win to Bush.
Wingers, always pretending the facts meet their revisionist histories. Problem: the very press recounts you're talking about showed Gore winning a statewide recount under any scenario, which means Gore won the 2000 election, deal with it.
As to why he didn't ask for a recount, there's a simple answer for that as well, for simple people: because Florida law laid out a process where candidates could request a recount on a per-county basis, not state-wide.
Demanding a state-wide recount would not have changed the fact that Gore was trying to override the process already in place and agreed to, determined by the people who had the authority to determine the process, and would have pushed the second Florida vote certification past the date of the Electoral College. That would have disenfranchised every Florida voter.
Delusional winger bullshit. With the right to vote must come the right for your vote to be counted, hence determining the intent of the voter. As for the "process already agreed to", Gore was following state law, which laid out a process for per-country recounts, not state-wide. In any case, it was the state of Florida recounting the votes, not the Gore campaign.
To paraphrase NDT, the neat thing about facts is that they are true, whether or not wingnuts chose to ignore them.
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I see you didn't skimp on the Hatorade sauce on your word salad...
As opposed to capitalists who whine that the U.S. has never had a free market economy?
Blah blah blah. Words have meaning. Socialism means the workers own the means of production - if they don't, it aint socialism. Not a hard concept to grasp.
How many people can buy a house at any price and afford to stop working for a full calendar year? This is as obnoxious as the twits who dismiss 5-6 figures in student loan debt because he put himself through college in the 80's, working summers at a hardware store. You know, when the cost of your entire degree is equal to one semester's worth of today's tuition dollars.
Dafuk does A (employer not giving a shit about an employee that saved them a literal fortune) have to do with B (mentored visiting nursing home)???
Opposite day? More like every day....it's not referred to as National Pentagon Radio for nothing, or Nice Polite Republicans, if you prefer.
As long as their company name is Apple, sure. Same with "walled gardens" - how many wankers on Slashdot whine about Apple's "walled garden" and then fire up a game on their PS4 or XBone later that evening?
Hateboi bullshit. None of you wankers actually care about Chinese workers, you're just looking for an excuse to whine about Apple.
In some alternate universe where the worker is free to enjoy third word prices and the boss is forbidden from hiring workers from the third world? Of all the willfully ignorant religious fanatics, capitalists are some of the most annoying.
Of course he's racist. So is Hillary "Superpredators" Clinton. That's why she's such a shitty general election candidate - if the Dems try to attack any of Trumps flaws, he can just throw them back in Hillary's face.
Because it's true. "Fiscal conservatism" is a long series of rationalizations for amoral shitbaggery.
If you're talking about the imperial budget, sure. Otherwise, you're a Randian that should buy a house in Michigan and drink the tap water. Low taxes have very high costs for society.
Deductions do nothing to change the fact they paid a far higher percentage of the nations taxes than they do now.
Randian horsefuckery. The poor pay plenty of sales and property taxes, so the "no taxes line" is a lie to start with. Then there's the fact that the 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the half the country's combined income. OF COURSE the rich pay more in taxes, they're the ones that have all the money.
Yes, like the time Trump said refugee children should be deported to their home countries to "send a message" to their parents. Oh, that was Hillary.
Well, there was that time that Trump vowed to "totally obliterate" Iran for a non-existent nuclear weapons program. Wait, that was also Hillary.
Actually....that is one of the criticisms leveled against him by the SJW's and Hillbots: that Sanders has opposed immigration reform in the name of protecting American jobs. Funny, though, that they haven't turned on Hillary for saying child refugees should be deported to "send a message" to their parents. Almost like they're all political hacks, or something....
He adheres to the longtime tenets of the Democratic Party platform far, far more than Hillary. Which would make him far more of a Democrat than Hillary, by definition, no?
Yeah, really. Econ 101....you increase the size of the labor pool relative to the number of jobs available, and you lower labor costs for employers. That's the entire point of the H1B program and periodic calls from hack politicians like Obama for a million new STEM graduates over the course of a decade. Increase the number of workers to reduce costs for employers.
If the party overrides the voters with Superdelegates, you can kiss the Democratic Party goodbye, as it will join the Whigs in the shitter. So, naturally, some people are hoping that happens, as the party pissed away it's chance to reform itself after the election of Obama. Now it's just another right wing mess like the GOP.
And somewhere there's an actual slave who would tell you to STFU because at least you're getting paid. Bosses just looove crabs like yourself.
Oooo, a tone troll, how original. What's the real problem: that people are fed up with zombie lies, or that people keep repeating them now matter how many times they are debunked. Remember Republicans spending years blaming Clinton for Waco and Ruby Ridge, when the former happened five weeks into his presidency, and the latter happened before Clinton was elected, much less took office?
Do tell which scenario is more accurate than a state-wide recount. A state-wide recount that the press did after the election. A statewide recount which Gore won under any method chosen. Now, you were tonesplaining about something?
Nonsensical hand waving. What was the Florida supreme court following? State law, and the the state constitution.
Yeah. It was.
You mean what SCOTUS did, stopping a recount based on the prima-face-bullshit reasoning that different standards were being used in the recount. Because of course you're going to count op-scan ballots in a different way than punch-cards. The only standard that mattered, was determining the intent of the voter.
The standard used by the state supreme court.
And as the Onion said, 'our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity' was over, dumbfuck.
What did I just say about delusional winger bullshit? SCOTUS stopped Florida from completing their statewide recount, so they were not counted until the press did their own recount after the fact.
The only "timeline" involved was the January 20th date to swear in the next president. The state had more than enough time to complete a full recount. Hell, there was even precedent, when it took weeks to certify Hawaii's votes when it was Kennedy and Nixon. Maybe if Ginny's last name was Clinton, wingers would have noticed that, if only for a couple of seconds.
Who happened to chair Bush's campaign in the state. No corruption or conflict of interest there. Nor in Scalia refusing to recuse himself despite his son working for Bush's campaign, nor Thomas's wife who was busy collecting resumes for a Bush Administration, over at the Heritage Foundation.
Straw man and a non-response, all in a nice little package.
Sophistry.
Is our children learning? I already said it was the the state of Florida performing the recount, not Gore's campaign. That is what was stopped by SCOTUS.
So you're finally going to stop repeating made up wingnut stuff? What was stopping you before? At the end of the day, this isn't hard: do facts matter to you, or now? It's a fact that Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush. It's a fact that was the case even after Republicans counted illegally cast military ballots while kicking thousands of poor eligible voters off the rolls. It's a fact that if either justice with a conflict of interest had recused himself, the state supreme court would have been left in charge of the process, following state laws and the state's constitution.
I'm saying the comparison between driving a car and boarding a plane as a passenger as a fallacious one. You need a drivers license to drive, but you don't need a pilot's license to board a plane. Anymore than you need a license to board a bus or a train.
Right, just like how Reagan and H.W. Bush were fucked the second Clinton was elected president, and pressed forward with the Iran-Contra prosecutions.
Oh, wait, that's not what happened, because these fuckers all play for the same team. The Republicans don't give a shit about Hillary's indictable war/corruption crimes, because 1) they've committed those crimes themselves and 2) plan on committing them again.
Your urban myth. Fact is, press recounts showed Gore winning a state-wide recount under any scenario. Which means Gore got more votes than Bush in Florida, despite all the shenanigans like counting illegally cast military ballots (which helped Bush) and fraudulently baring poor (mostly black) voters from the polls (which hurt Gore).
Which means that the 2000 election was stolen, the wrong guy spent 8 years in the oval office, and that's just a fact that wingers will have to deal with.
Wingers, always pretending the facts meet their revisionist histories. Problem: the very press recounts you're talking about showed Gore winning a statewide recount under any scenario, which means Gore won the 2000 election, deal with it.
As to why he didn't ask for a recount, there's a simple answer for that as well, for simple people: because Florida law laid out a process where candidates could request a recount on a per-county basis, not state-wide.
Delusional winger bullshit. With the right to vote must come the right for your vote to be counted, hence determining the intent of the voter. As for the "process already agreed to", Gore was following state law, which laid out a process for per-country recounts, not state-wide. In any case, it was the state of Florida recounting the votes, not the Gore campaign.
To paraphrase NDT, the neat thing about facts is that they are true, whether or not wingnuts chose to ignore them.