I fully back this IF the politicians, like Elizabeth Warren, can also go to jail for their failures.
Like what. What do you mean by "failure" in the context of an elected senator. You talking something reality-based like not engaging in insider trading, or libertarian derp like "failing" to single-handedly end deficit spending?
So you're telling me a CEO who is sitting on top of a corporation, who is multiple layers of operations removed is to be held responsible for data leaks?
Yes.
Sort of like how the military is happy to fire a base commander after a serious fuckup. The commander might not have done the fuckup himself, but he was in charge of those who were, so his career is effectively ended.
Bullshit. What you're doing is shooting the arrow and then drawing a bullseye around it.
Speaking of bullshit, you're ignoring that nothing was taken in this "robbery", and that Wikileaks has all but identified Rich as being the source of the leaks.
You did remember that Seth Rich lived long enough to get to the hospital and talk to the police, right?
And you do know he was shot, right? That people that are in shock and bleeding out aren't likely to whip out their deer stalkers and solve their own case, right? That an assassin wouldn't say "hey dude I'm here to kill youz" instead of "gimme your wallet".
That's a shame. With RFK I would have used tactic #3, using their own dumbass logic but on another subject. Like, when are we going to reign in the seat belt conspiracy? They don't always save lives, companies make money manufacturing them, and the government mandates that they be installed in all cars and trucks....ermagerd!
It's because the experts keep discrediting themselves. You might not think they are, but to an increasingly large number of people, science and government institutions are not trustworthy, for what they consider good reasons.
Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You can deluge anti-vaxxers with an exceptionally polite list of facts and research and it just makes them dig in even more. So what do you do with people that can't be reasoned with?
1) Mocking. The Daily Show had on the lunar conspiracy theorist who got decked by Buzz Aldrin, after he hounded the retired astronaut, accusing him of being a liar and a cheat. After playing the clip of the theorist getting punched, the "reporter" "pointed out" that it looked fake.
2) Give them so much shit in public, all the time every time, that they voluntarily stfu.
Which is an misunderstanding of stupidly interpreted evidence. There's no evidence of the files being transferred off the DNC servers at 22mb/s, there's evidence of the files being written at 22mb/s on July 5th.
You mean July 5th when the "hack" was alleged to have taken place? Like Pootie Poot himself downloaded files and immediately transferred them to a thumb drive for Wikileaks without bothering to spend any time analyzing what he had? Talk about stupidly analyzing evidence.
This is beating around the bush anyway. What tells anyone with two functioning brain cells is that if this was a real scenario that the government actually wanted to investigate, the first thing Mueller or the FBI would have done is subpoena the DNC servers for a proper forensic analysis. He never bothered to do so. This should bother Russiagate die hards most of all, as there could be proof of a Russian hack buried in firmware or encrypted files, just waiting to be found by an analyst. But it's never happened. Because this was never anything but a pile of Hillbot swiftboating, Mccarthyite BS from the very beginning.
Within 24 hours of Clinton's concession speech, top officials gathered "to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up...Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument."
Russia Madcow has been pushing a stupid conspiracy theory for almost three years on MSNBC. Whereas people who call BS on crap like false flags in Syria or a DNC worker being shot twice in a robbery where nothing is taken are smeared as "conspiracy theorists".
Or we could pull our heads out now. What if a simple shot could prevent all those deaths from sharks, fireworks and train crashes. And the consequences of measles don't just include "death". It can also make you blind or deaf or leave you with brain damage.
Anything is possible with Fantasy Calculus. The same sort of wingnut math that is used to argue that a Prius pollutes more than a Hummer can easily be used to ignore uranium mines and the vast amounts of concrete needed for nuclear power to throw stones at wind and solar.
Living in a remote area where you have NO electricity, no running water (and obviously) no car means your CO2 production is limited to burning wood. There are tens of millions of such people living in China today, in 2019. They want - and will get running water and electricity. A frugal lifestyle (small apartment, bicycle to work, no A/C) etc... in the west produces many times the CO2. Case in point - your refridgerator, TV and internet.
So you reinforce the point that the whining about pollution from China and India is really about continuing the western sense of entitlement, but at the same time argue that pollution limits shouldn't be set per capita? Oooooooookay.
I said, tons of evidence of Russia attempting to alter the election, and attempting to coordinate with Trump's team
Zero evidence. Both parties are virulently anti-russian and have been for over a century. Even the self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders has been onboard Russiagate from the beginning. It's as stupid as stupid as accusing a gay person of interferring in an election between a homophobic Catholic and a homophobic Baptist. Your preferred choice when dealing with two candidates that hate your guts is going to be "none of the above".
Like Birthers, Lunars, Chem Trailers and other whakjob conspiracy theorists, all you have is a Gish Gallop. That's where you fire off a rapid series of talking points while pretending that volume == substance. But spent a moment scrutinizing any of the talking points and they invariably turn out to be bullshit. Twitter troll farm? Bullshit. Russian NRA spy? Bullshit. Russia hacked the DNC emails? Bullshit.
Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. And more Bullshit. Rinse, wash and repeat.
Conflating this with McCarthyism is disgusting, and you know it.
Lulz. Russians, Russians, everywhere! Russians in your utility grids, Russians in your voting machines, Russians in Black Lives Matter! Russians controlling the White House with a manchurian candidate! So many Russians we have to accept mass government-directed corporate censorship of the internet! But yeah, this is nothing like McCarthyism. Oregon has lots of rivers, but have you tried kayaking down De Nile?
Huh? The Special Investigation was launched a long time ago due to an undeniable act of obstruction of justice.
Huh? You can only have obstruction of justice after the fact. Not before. It's like if your local police department got a warrant out on you for resisting arrest - when there's no warrant out and no one has tried to arrest you. Ever.
Breach of the emoluments clause is going to require the third branch of government to do something about.
Uh, no. Removing a president from office is purely up to the legislative branch. It's telling, though, that you poo-pooh an actual violation of the Constitution from Trump, instead of your stupid McCarthyite conspiracy theories.
You're well aware that Mitt was talking about militarily.
You're well aware that's laughable. Democrats have been calling the hack of the DNC emails (actually leaks) a 'digital Pearl Harbor' from Russia for years now. All these supposed attacks on American democracy and that of its allies, but none if it is military? However you want to rationalize the fact you're in the same boat as Mitt Romney. And a bunch of Lunars, Chem Trailers and Birthers.
When an unplanned pregnancy occurs, women have all kinds of rights and choices, whereas men only have responsibilities. Women can terminate their parental obligations by getting an abortion or placing the child up for adoption - which they can do without the father's knowledge or consent - but the man has no choice but to be on the hook for the next 18+ years.
The primary emitters are China, India, and the USA. While they all have wealth-distribution and other issues, I'd hardly call them third-world. All three are spacefaring. All three have high-quality universities whose graduates make an impact all over the globe. All three have considerable and unique contributions to world culture and knowledge.
And two of them - India and China - together have something like seven times as many people as the United States. Which means they get to pollute more than the United States. It's per capita or nothing - no one would say the Vatican is free to pretend that all nations are equal, and that they have the right to pollute just as much as a much larger country.
The answer is having the resources to retrain for new jobs
And when there are more unemployed people looking for work than there are jobs available? Besides, if there's enough demand, corporations will - shockingly enough in today's capitalist USA - recruit and train workers to the job. A GND would create far more jobs than would be lost in the coal industry, skipping the old saw about workers being untrained. Replacing coal and nuclear with wind and solar would take a few decades, so it's not like people would have jobs next year but would shortly be out of work again.
but also (supposedly) found tons of evidence of Russians interacting with the Trump campaign and trying to influence the direction.
If by "tons", your device autocorrected from "none", then yes. The so-called evidence that has been "presented" is so bad it's dispositive. Like less than $5000 in Google ads definitively changing the the result of a $9 billion election. Or pointing to a Twitter troll farm that posted pro-Trump tweets - along with anti-Trump tweets, puppy tweets, tweets selling Obama fan merchandise, or even tweets posted after the election. A Trump tower meeting where even die hard Russiagaters admit Trump Junior walked away from empty-handed.
So really, that means the entire thing was justified, no?
It means the whole thing was a McCarthyite witch hunt. That's what it means. And stupid for two reasons:
1) All this time and political capital could have been focused on Trump violating the Emoluments Clause, which he has brazenly violated.
2) This has greatly helped Trump's re-election chances for 2020. Because people don't like it when other people are attacked for bullshit reasons, and because of the Boy who Cried Wolf. Future accusations against Trump, even if totally legit, will gain less traction because Russiagate was nothing more than a lie to excuse Hillary Clinton being an atrocious candidate.
To claim that the Russians weren't trying to change the outcome of that election is pure willful ignorance. Nothing credible has come close to casting any doubt on that conclusion.
Your projection is noted. Russia is the same country it was in 2012, when the establishment mocked Mitt Romney for saying Russia was a threat to the United States. The same 2012 where Putin stated a preference for the candidate not looking to escalate tensions with his country, but before a large number of Americans allowed them to be propagandized by the same people that lied you into Iraq.
I'm curious why you're so invested in seeing them exonerated?
It's called having a bullshit detector. Check your local Home Depot to see if they have one for sale?
Nuclear is expensive because we are forced to use old inefficient designs and NIMBYists make licensing the plants insanely expensive.
New designs are an old red herring. No design is ever going to make nuclear power completely safe or cost effective. You are always going to have issues with security and containment that simply do not exist with other power sources. As for plants being expensive to plan and build - there's a reason for that. Just ask the residents of Fukishima. Where all your supposed cost savings plus another hundred billion went up in radioactive fumes.
Its also the only energy technology that scales.
Well, you do have to build extra nuclear power plants, when one of them goes down for days, weeks, months or even years for maintenance. Which means you will have some missing gigawatts from your grid that will need to be replaced. Which means the baseload power FUD thrown at wind and solar applies just as much to nuclear power. And you can build a whole lot of extra wind and solar stations - and Tesla Powerpacks - for the $20 billion cost of a new nuclear power plant.
And all that isn't even touching the problem of nuclear waste, which will be a problem for tens of thousands of years.
You don't have that either. There's as much evidence that Russia interfered in the election as there is that Hillary ordered a hit on Vince Foster: none. What you have is a hunch - and hunches are not evidence.
We already have Papadopolous, a Trump campaign member, knowing that Russia had stolen DNC emails before wikileaks had ever released them.
We know that's false as the files were copied far too fast to have been hacked remotely, it was a local copy. And because Wikileaks has denied that Russia gave them the DNC emails. And Wikileaks, unlike 99.99% of the media that has reported on Russiagate, has a 100% record of honesty. This talking point is further bunk as Wikileaks teased the release weeks and even months before the citations of the Trump campaign talking about them.
Now Trump is talking about Russia attacking a specific target the same day that Russia attacks that target. Yes, unlike Birtherism that does count as actual evidence that Trump had inside knowledge that a hack was going to happen. It's not proof, but it's sure as hell evidence.
It's laughable, that's what it is. Russia is a meddling country that wants to spy and hack everything - except for Hillary's unsecured email server. That they left alone out of courtesy, until a Trump joke changed Putin's mind.
Well, at least you stopped pretending that Russia did nothing.
Russia did shit, diphsit. Both parties are virulently anti-Russian and have been for over a century. Accusing Russia of trying to favor one over the other is like accusing a gay person of trying to pick a side in an election between a homophobic Catholic and an equally homophobic Mormon. Russia is the same damn country it was in 2012, when the establishment ridiculed Mitt Romney for saying Russia was a threat to the United States.
Makes you sound likes like a Putin cock sucker and more like a Trump fan. I'm fine with that.
Speaking of homophobes, no one talks more about sucking another man's cock than homophobic bigots such as yourself. Why is that?
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Like what. What do you mean by "failure" in the context of an elected senator. You talking something reality-based like not engaging in insider trading, or libertarian derp like "failing" to single-handedly end deficit spending?
Sort of like how the military is happy to fire a base commander after a serious fuckup. The commander might not have done the fuckup himself, but he was in charge of those who were, so his career is effectively ended.
Speaking of bullshit, you're ignoring that nothing was taken in this "robbery", and that Wikileaks has all but identified Rich as being the source of the leaks.
And you do know he was shot, right? That people that are in shock and bleeding out aren't likely to whip out their deer stalkers and solve their own case, right? That an assassin wouldn't say "hey dude I'm here to kill youz" instead of "gimme your wallet".
Right?
Not so much. Ten million a year from NBC has turned Maddow from an insightful commentator into an unholy amalgamation of Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.
That's a shame. With RFK I would have used tactic #3, using their own dumbass logic but on another subject. Like, when are we going to reign in the seat belt conspiracy? They don't always save lives, companies make money manufacturing them, and the government mandates that they be installed in all cars and trucks....ermagerd!
Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You can deluge anti-vaxxers with an exceptionally polite list of facts and research and it just makes them dig in even more. So what do you do with people that can't be reasoned with?
1) Mocking. The Daily Show had on the lunar conspiracy theorist who got decked by Buzz Aldrin, after he hounded the retired astronaut, accusing him of being a liar and a cheat. After playing the clip of the theorist getting punched, the "reporter" "pointed out" that it looked fake.
2) Give them so much shit in public, all the time every time, that they voluntarily stfu.
You mean July 5th when the "hack" was alleged to have taken place? Like Pootie Poot himself downloaded files and immediately transferred them to a thumb drive for Wikileaks without bothering to spend any time analyzing what he had? Talk about stupidly analyzing evidence.
This is beating around the bush anyway. What tells anyone with two functioning brain cells is that if this was a real scenario that the government actually wanted to investigate, the first thing Mueller or the FBI would have done is subpoena the DNC servers for a proper forensic analysis. He never bothered to do so. This should bother Russiagate die hards most of all, as there could be proof of a Russian hack buried in firmware or encrypted files, just waiting to be found by an analyst. But it's never happened. Because this was never anything but a pile of Hillbot swiftboating, Mccarthyite BS from the very beginning.
Russia Madcow has been pushing a stupid conspiracy theory for almost three years on MSNBC. Whereas people who call BS on crap like false flags in Syria or a DNC worker being shot twice in a robbery where nothing is taken are smeared as "conspiracy theorists".
Or we could pull our heads out now. What if a simple shot could prevent all those deaths from sharks, fireworks and train crashes. And the consequences of measles don't just include "death". It can also make you blind or deaf or leave you with brain damage.
That and the fact that the price of a non-matinee movie ticket would pay for a month's worth of Netflix in many markets...
Google suspends and demonetizes all kinds of shit that has nothing to do with politics. And it's not like lefty channels haven't been at the mercy of Google's arbitrary whims.
They just suck as a company, period.
Your problem with physics is not my problem. Seriously.
https://consortiumnews.com/201...
Anything is possible with Fantasy Calculus. The same sort of wingnut math that is used to argue that a Prius pollutes more than a Hummer can easily be used to ignore uranium mines and the vast amounts of concrete needed for nuclear power to throw stones at wind and solar.
So you reinforce the point that the whining about pollution from China and India is really about continuing the western sense of entitlement, but at the same time argue that pollution limits shouldn't be set per capita? Oooooooookay.
Zero evidence. Both parties are virulently anti-russian and have been for over a century. Even the self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders has been onboard Russiagate from the beginning. It's as stupid as stupid as accusing a gay person of interferring in an election between a homophobic Catholic and a homophobic Baptist. Your preferred choice when dealing with two candidates that hate your guts is going to be "none of the above".
Like Birthers, Lunars, Chem Trailers and other whakjob conspiracy theorists, all you have is a Gish Gallop. That's where you fire off a rapid series of talking points while pretending that volume == substance. But spent a moment scrutinizing any of the talking points and they invariably turn out to be bullshit. Twitter troll farm? Bullshit. Russian NRA spy? Bullshit. Russia hacked the DNC emails? Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
And more Bullshit. Rinse, wash and repeat.
Lulz. Russians, Russians, everywhere! Russians in your utility grids, Russians in your voting machines, Russians in Black Lives Matter! Russians controlling the White House with a manchurian candidate! So many Russians we have to accept mass government-directed corporate censorship of the internet! But yeah, this is nothing like McCarthyism. Oregon has lots of rivers, but have you tried kayaking down De Nile?
Huh? You can only have obstruction of justice after the fact. Not before. It's like if your local police department got a warrant out on you for resisting arrest - when there's no warrant out and no one has tried to arrest you. Ever.
Uh, no. Removing a president from office is purely up to the legislative branch. It's telling, though, that you poo-pooh an actual violation of the Constitution from Trump, instead of your stupid McCarthyite conspiracy theories.
You're well aware that's laughable. Democrats have been calling the hack of the DNC emails (actually leaks) a 'digital Pearl Harbor' from Russia for years now. All these supposed attacks on American democracy and that of its allies, but none if it is military? However you want to rationalize the fact you're in the same boat as Mitt Romney. And a bunch of Lunars, Chem Trailers and Birthers.
When an unplanned pregnancy occurs, women have all kinds of rights and choices, whereas men only have responsibilities. Women can terminate their parental obligations by getting an abortion or placing the child up for adoption - which they can do without the father's knowledge or consent - but the man has no choice but to be on the hook for the next 18+ years.
Do tell how you come to a global agreement on reducing CO2 pollution without setting an emissions standard?
And two of them - India and China - together have something like seven times as many people as the United States. Which means they get to pollute more than the United States. It's per capita or nothing - no one would say the Vatican is free to pretend that all nations are equal, and that they have the right to pollute just as much as a much larger country.
And when there are more unemployed people looking for work than there are jobs available? Besides, if there's enough demand, corporations will - shockingly enough in today's capitalist USA - recruit and train workers to the job. A GND would create far more jobs than would be lost in the coal industry, skipping the old saw about workers being untrained. Replacing coal and nuclear with wind and solar would take a few decades, so it's not like people would have jobs next year but would shortly be out of work again.
If by "tons", your device autocorrected from "none", then yes. The so-called evidence that has been "presented" is so bad it's dispositive. Like less than $5000 in Google ads definitively changing the the result of a $9 billion election. Or pointing to a Twitter troll farm that posted pro-Trump tweets - along with anti-Trump tweets, puppy tweets, tweets selling Obama fan merchandise, or even tweets posted after the election. A Trump tower meeting where even die hard Russiagaters admit Trump Junior walked away from empty-handed.
It means the whole thing was a McCarthyite witch hunt. That's what it means. And stupid for two reasons:
1) All this time and political capital could have been focused on Trump violating the Emoluments Clause, which he has brazenly violated.
2) This has greatly helped Trump's re-election chances for 2020. Because people don't like it when other people are attacked for bullshit reasons, and because of the Boy who Cried Wolf. Future accusations against Trump, even if totally legit, will gain less traction because Russiagate was nothing more than a lie to excuse Hillary Clinton being an atrocious candidate.
Your projection is noted. Russia is the same country it was in 2012, when the establishment mocked Mitt Romney for saying Russia was a threat to the United States. The same 2012 where Putin stated a preference for the candidate not looking to escalate tensions with his country, but before a large number of Americans allowed them to be propagandized by the same people that lied you into Iraq.
It's called having a bullshit detector. Check your local Home Depot to see if they have one for sale?
New designs are an old red herring. No design is ever going to make nuclear power completely safe or cost effective. You are always going to have issues with security and containment that simply do not exist with other power sources. As for plants being expensive to plan and build - there's a reason for that. Just ask the residents of Fukishima. Where all your supposed cost savings plus another hundred billion went up in radioactive fumes.
Well, you do have to build extra nuclear power plants, when one of them goes down for days, weeks, months or even years for maintenance. Which means you will have some missing gigawatts from your grid that will need to be replaced. Which means the baseload power FUD thrown at wind and solar applies just as much to nuclear power. And you can build a whole lot of extra wind and solar stations - and Tesla Powerpacks - for the $20 billion cost of a new nuclear power plant.
And all that isn't even touching the problem of nuclear waste, which will be a problem for tens of thousands of years.
As much as a $2.5 million Bugatti with no brakes or seat belts is cheaper than a Honda Civic, sure.
You don't have that either. There's as much evidence that Russia interfered in the election as there is that Hillary ordered a hit on Vince Foster: none. What you have is a hunch - and hunches are not evidence.
We know that's false as the files were copied far too fast to have been hacked remotely, it was a local copy. And because Wikileaks has denied that Russia gave them the DNC emails. And Wikileaks, unlike 99.99% of the media that has reported on Russiagate, has a 100% record of honesty. This talking point is further bunk as Wikileaks teased the release weeks and even months before the citations of the Trump campaign talking about them.
It's laughable, that's what it is. Russia is a meddling country that wants to spy and hack everything - except for Hillary's unsecured email server. That they left alone out of courtesy, until a Trump joke changed Putin's mind.
Common, man. This shit is just embarrassing.
Russia did shit, diphsit. Both parties are virulently anti-Russian and have been for over a century. Accusing Russia of trying to favor one over the other is like accusing a gay person of trying to pick a side in an election between a homophobic Catholic and an equally homophobic Mormon. Russia is the same damn country it was in 2012, when the establishment ridiculed Mitt Romney for saying Russia was a threat to the United States.
Speaking of homophobes, no one talks more about sucking another man's cock than homophobic bigots such as yourself. Why is that?