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YouTube Executives Ignored Warnings, Letting Toxic Videos Run Rampant (bloomberg.com)
Proposals to change recommendations and curb conspiracies on YouTube were sacrificed for engagement, Bloomberg reported Monday, citing Google employees. From the report: In recent years, scores of people inside YouTube and Google, its owner, raised concerns about the mass of false, incendiary and toxic content that the world's largest video site surfaced and spread. One employee wanted to flag troubling videos, which fell just short of the hate speech rules, and stop recommending them to viewers. Another wanted to track these videos in a spreadsheet to chart their popularity. A third, fretful of the spread of "alt-right" video bloggers, created an internal vertical that showed just how popular they were. Each time they got the same basic response: Don't rock the boat.
The company spent years chasing one business goal above others: "Engagement," a measure of the views, time spent and interactions with online videos. Conversations with over twenty people who work at, or recently left, YouTube reveal a corporate leadership unable or unwilling to act on these internal alarms for fear of throttling engagement. Wojcicki would "never put her fingers on the scale," said one person who worked for her. "Her view was, 'My job is to run the company, not deal with this.'"
The company spent years chasing one business goal above others: "Engagement," a measure of the views, time spent and interactions with online videos. Conversations with over twenty people who work at, or recently left, YouTube reveal a corporate leadership unable or unwilling to act on these internal alarms for fear of throttling engagement. Wojcicki would "never put her fingers on the scale," said one person who worked for her. "Her view was, 'My job is to run the company, not deal with this.'"
Just say what it is! Stupid people are predisposed to violence! There is nothing else to this
I see no problem here (except with some employees who are complaining, who should probably be fired).
<whiteout>Don't</whiteout> be evil.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
just video you dont like??????
YouTube could break the echo chamber effect by recommending good quality videos on the same topic. If someone is interested in vaccinations, there's no reason to just recommend conspiracy videos on the topic.
Why do I get the feeling they're talking about wrongthink videos and not the child pedophilia videos? The child grooming videos are a legit problem that needs to be addressed, not people expressing different opinions. Not everyone agrees on what constitutes as hate speech. I personally don't even think there is such a thing. If they're going to go down the path of censorship, and yes I understand it's a company exercising its right to decide what it allows on the platform, then they should just go all-in and be done with it so everyone can move on.
block videos and they are accused of censorship, don't block videos and they are accused of encouraging hate.
anything they do to block 'bad' videos is going to have false positives and block legitimate videos as well, and the current Internet Mob accepts zero errors (positives or negatives) in any filtering.
So they admit the videos didn't break the rules, but our feelings were hurt/we disagreed with their political views so we should censor them. Got it.
Notice the use of emotionally charged rhetoric.
"incendiary and toxic content" - subjective and not objective, specifically used to rally people to their viewpoint without questioning the author. After all, you don't want to be toxic, do you?
It seems to be less "don't rock the boat" and more "they're not breaking the rules, tough shit"
So how is anyone going to verify the claim by Bloomberg that the videos were, infact, "toxic".
That's rather convenient that one is not able to independently verify their claims.
Fake news???
It used to be the case that a higher education was good for exposing young minds to challenging ideas, and thereby teaching them to stare with resolve into the deep abyss that is existence, and to rebut bad arguments with good arguments.
However, collectivist authoritarians (namely Marxists) began their "long march" through the Institutions of the West; in the Universities, they started curbing speech by setting up "safe spaces", and then once the "safe" space spread across most of a campus, they started designating "free-speech zones" to mark those pockets of the university that are explicitly no longer "safe" from triggering ideas. Then, the started calling some speech "hate speech", so that they could regulated the "free speech" zones, and now students (read: children) at these institutions regularly prevent cordial lectures by any means necessary, including yelling, chanting, storming stages, and piling chairs up where an unwanted speaker might which to make his pulpit.
We're doomed.
Does Rick Rolling count?
I have been watching cat videos on YouTube for 10 years now and it has been a good run. But not they have stated to show the odd dog video now and then.
Thatâ(TM)s extremely offensive and now I am afraid to open the browser because with no warning what so ever, BANG, there it is. A DOG video in my recommended feed.
Meow.
L'Idiot
Beheading videos from the worldview that must not be named, of course, are fine.
Videos talking (negatively) about beheading videos and the culture that makes them, however, are "alt right" and we can't tolerate that.
Even if this was a good idea at all, i don't think youtube can even find the massive number of social justice advocates that checking every video posted would require, or build the social justice skynet able to perfectly understand the "context" and "dog whistles" and catch every video.
Stop trying to censor everything you don't like. The left has turned into the moralizing church lady. Sad.
All speech that doesn't match my already-set views is HATE SPEECH! DIE, YOU FILTHY COMMIES/DEMOCRATS/MONARCHS, whomever (((Big Biz))) tells me to hate, today.
Well the people in the bubble she navigates in, certainly wants to get rid everyone they donâ(TM)t like:
https://youtu.be/LkUdmy0OZ94
Youtube doesn't know me. I erase cookies to keep it that way. When I browse Youtube, it quickly learns what I'm looking at and starts showing me suggestions based on what I've watched. But every time I go to Youtube with a clean browser, I see suggestions of the most ignorant kind. Youtube is not just an echo chamber. It shows conspiracies and sensationalist videos to every new visitor. It's trying to peddle political extremism, "alternative medicine" and other insultingly bad crap, right until you search for something or click a video. The second I watch what I came for, the batshit crazy stuff goes away, but it's the default. It's not improving at all. Google is not a good company. It's run by greedy people who want to turn everything into a vehicle for ads and target the riffraff.
... UsTube.
Not YouTube - "you" might hold unapproved opinions or something. UsTube. Our opinions, not yours.
I thought the point of __YOU___ tube was that YOU publish what you YOU want and anyone who thinks it is worth watching can go do that.
IE self rated, self published, viewed by those interested. Isn't that the point?
any video with subject matter someone does not agree with. So does this mean youtube is shutting down sine they cannot play any videos without offending someone?
What do you want from a group of self-reinforcing Bros whose entire youth was spent playing video games, responsible leadership?
My servers my rules. Anyone whining about censorship or other equally inane BS are welcome to start their own 'tube.
Until it comes to paying. Then they will demonetize at the drop of a hat.
BREAK UP GOOGLE!
Corporatism != Free Market
The other night, my 4 year old was watching an age-appropriate channel and you know what trailer they played?
Pet Sematary
I can explain 95% of all of the white power stuff away easily. I cannot easily explain away a demon-possessed zombie cat from Hell to a pre-schooler who is nearly at bed time.
Priorities? It'd be nice if they actually had some.
Define "good quality".
There are millions of people who think Alex Jones' program is "good quality".
This is an issue of scope, profit margin, and market evaluations.
You know why Steam doesn't hand-pick games to be on their marketplace? Scope of the task. They clean up the biggest disasters, but basically filter feed on whatever pops out of that ecosystem.
Same thing for the Microsoft store, the android marketplace, and large parts of the Apple marketplace.
And those are marketplaces where the profit margins are relatively large.
Well, relatively large, compared to Youtube.
In setting any standards involving an expectation of paid human oversight - including just managing a bunch of volunteers - even at some absurdly low 1 to 1 million ratio, they risk the value they hold in the primary underlying motivation of their bosses: The market value of their platform.
That's the real issue - business stuff like staff responding to DMCA complaints is also expensive, but the market isn't going to lower their stock for that. But having to hire and maintain staff to stand in as referees in effectively political contests... that's going to generate blowback they can't shuffle under some easy cost line in a report.
That's kind of the problem with being a public traded company. The pressures aren't just financial - they are also largely the political fashion sense of the market pushing everyone to play a game of taking the most they can from contracts (customer and employee alike), and then providing that value back as maximal perceived market value.
The irony is that we call it being 'publicly traded' - where it functions mostly to funnel wealth into fewer and fewer private hands in the end.
In the end, our shared retirement accounts get regularly raided and scammed, and the entire market is expected to crash, as if it was a force of nature - because minimal oversight is seen as more expensive and odious than frequent disaster.
That's the shape of the system we make for ourselves.
Ryan Fenton
Before the internet was super centralized and homogenized, this line of thinking was common sense.
Now it's flooded with tards who don't know a single thing about technology, but expect someone else to broadcast their speech for them.
I can't say I've done a comprehensive enough study of the art of shit posting, but I know it when it see it.
That said, a YouTuber who goes by Shaun has done a pretty good job of calmly and rationally calling out the current crop of shit posters. Here's a good example. He's got plenty more.
For a good explanation of why this kind of shit posting is a problem see Noncompete's video here. The TL;DR; is that is a radicalization pipeline.
As for me, most of these YouTube agitators can be traced back to right wing think tanks like the ones run by the Kock brothers. The reason you're seeing them explode isn't just YouTube ignoring them, it's because they're going to conventions run by those think tanks where they're being taught how to grow and control a large audience. Seriously, pay attention to the venues and trips guys like Sargon of Arkad and Ben Shapiro attend. They're getting a huge amount of extremely valuable advice and training at the larger of those events. This isn't the help and advice you get from a grass roots org like "Justice Democrats". These are decades old professional PR firms that exit to push a right wing agenda.
These guys are basically propaganda for billionaires. They're not just shit posting, they're pushing a very specific right wing, pro-corporate agenda (low taxes, low regulation, anti-Union, etc). Spend a bit of time on the YouTube channels I linked above and you can confirm this for yourself.
What I'm saying is this: These guys are not your friends and they're not just randos on the net. There is a very specific purpose behind them. I just wish more folks were aware of it. I don't think they'd like it if they knew.
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I see people claiming Pepa Pig videos with embedded violent or disturbing videos are a hoax. Same with Momo (meaning people say that the videos don't exist, not that the videos with Momo are obvious hoaxes, which is what I thought they meant at first). Are these not real? Is Youtube silently cleaning them up so that people think they're not real? What's the deal?
YouTube already demotes you if you swear and ensures popular videos with "toxic" behavior never trend or get recommended. The problem is even videos as inane as PewDiePies latest congratulations song can get 22 million views in a day but still not hit trending because some arbitrarily decided nothing he creates can hit the trending list. Meanwhile Stephen Colbert can say trump is sucking Putin's cock and that video gets recommended because "if it's okay for tv it's okay for YouTube." You absolutely don't want to be on the wrong end of a reviewer defining you and that is what happens all the time. Numerous people are claimed to be "toxic" even just for not liking a brand or something other people like, as if just not loving something is a crime. You can never let a small group of people or even an algorithm define toxicity ir some people will always be shut up and left silent.
if I'm watching anti-anti-vaxxer videos would YouTube recommend actual anti-vaxxer videos?
That said, I'm a lefty McLefty and I get the occasional right wing video in my channel. Mostly Sargon of Arkad. I used to get a fair amount of them actually because I subscribe to a bunch of atheist channels (Aronra, Genetic Skeptic) but the bulk of the YouTube skeptic community pivoted to anti-SJW vids about a year ago (more view, more patreon donations, they followed the money) and I couldn't care less about that so they gradually disappeared from my feed.
YouTube wants to show me the next video I will watch. That's the "engagement" they're talking about. Their algorithm just tracks what I'm likely to click. So I look up a few videos on "The problem of Evil" and a few of the skeptics who switched to 24/7 anti-SJW might show up in my feed, but they'll figure out pretty quick I'm not clicking and steer me towards somebody like Shaun or Noncompete.
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it's not too hard to get out of your bubble yourself by clicking some videos (or going into private browsing and/or a VPN if you really want to). There's been several lefties who ran down the alt-right rabbit hole and wrote about it.
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Women CEOs were supposed to be better than male CEOs and yet somehow they don't seem to be much different.
Sure, go ahead and pretend there's no middle ground.
Does it say we get free speech as long as we're "responsible" with it?
Encouraging violence is not speech.
Speech that does not tell people to be violent cannot incite violence. If someone decides to engage in violence over an idea, they're morons responsible for their own actions.
Blaming other people for your behavior is childish. Justifying tyranny because someone blamed words for their actions is just as absurd.
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Talk about demeaning of women and an enabler of toxic masculinity!
Let's not call right-wingers stupid please, it prevents us from taking the threat of right-wing violence seriously, they are malignant and insidiously clever in how they promote hate and violence, hiding their messages behind "memes" and "edgy jokes".
Don't believe me? look at the confession of former white supremacist "meme-lord" Timothy Gionet:
https://elink.thedailybeast.com/view/5bae99853f92a46ecbcf5b739rlr3.15s/0f27da77
Right at the end:
Gionet, who claims that he sees “normie-tier conservatives” being radicalized to the far-right on social media, says he wants to warn other people away from being recruited to white supremacist groups through memes and “ironic” racism.
“I really thought this was just fun memes and jokes and edgy 4Chan posting and all this stuff, and then you get to the end of this rabbit hole and you realize these guys are serious,” Gionet said.
Google is wanting both the safe harbor of no responsibility for content posted on its site but also wants to censor, erase, put in a dusty bin where 0.0000001% of viewers actually know it exists videos which don't meet Google staff's political views.
Can't have it both ways, common carrier means you do not filter out the content.
Google could easily build a Youtube moderator company distinct corporation from Google, fund it and give it a tiny sliver of Youtube advertisement revenue and let that company bear all of the risk and bad PR of missing a sufficiently toxic video.
That would extract Google from the free speech promotion / prevention / enforcement arena.
It is exactly what large companies do, hire a contractor to do dangerous work, so that; should something go wrong, the company's name is not the one responsible. Case in point, Exxon Valdez tanker owned by Exxon. After the oil spill, Exxon and its competitors got out of the oil transportation business and sold their tankers to other companies.
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to remember the free speech movement started at Berkeley.
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Now we've turned 180 degrees, and those same people are calling for censorship and the political right are now the defenders of free speech?
It's time to admit that not having charters for corporations is a bad thing.
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'My job is to run the company, not deal with this.'
IMHO:
Such attitude is quite common @ internet (content providing) companies/websites.
& it is actually quite naive to expect they would want to do cleaning voluntarily & continuously!!!
& the need for keeping internet clean from toxic content is also quite obvious @ the same time!!!
So, what is the real/permanent solution???
Answer:
Making new law(s) to make/force (all internet (content providing) companies/websites) cleaning/filtering their own content a part of their job!!!
They have a social responsibility for protecting common good of general public, whether they like it, or not!!!
High school kid goes to Washington DC, wears a red hat.
Leftists call for him to be thrown into a wood chipper head first, all agree.
Somollett fakes a hate crime attempting to create riots and violence, leftists take his side.
Over and over, leftists call for violence against children and people leaving them alone. Rsilvergun calls it a right wing problem. More of their groups are constantly looking for violence: Black Panthers, KKK, Antifa, and so on.
Rslivergun IS the definition of a shitposter.
Trump was never supposed to get elected. Brexit was never supposed to happen. Mainstream corporate media could no longer be relied upon to adequately shape public opinion. Something had to be done.
Pewdiepie became a nazi to be used as the excuse for the adpocolypse. Alex Jones was the lowest hanging fruit to be plucked and deplatformed. CNN videos went from 100 views to 100K views as independent journalists and commentators were pushed down. "trusted flaggers" such as the ADL and SPLC were brought on as the shadow inquisition. Still, it's not enough.
This is the future of Youtube.
I've never seen it one way or another. Google seems to guard that algorithm pretty closely (not surprisingly). Anecdotally they seem to send me more and more of the same kinds of videos I just searched for or watched.
So I look up some Alpha Omega Sin (a right leaning game channel) I'll get a few right leaning videos in my feed. Click a few of those and before long I'll have some Sargon of Arkad and Count Dankula. Keep going and eventually I hit Baked Alaska and eventually Richard Spencer (or his friends).
Same works for the left. Start on Kim Justice (a trans UK games journalist) and before long I'll be watching The Young Turks and Noncompete. Lately I've been getting videos of actual anarchists (the non violent kind) and Marxists.
A more amusing example, my bud subscribed to a Warhammer 40k painting channel. The YouTuber was also Trans and did their trans videos on the same channel. My brother couldn't figure out why YouTube decided he was LGBTQ. The 40k painter did a video explaining it and that she was splitting her channel.
I actually unsubbed from Alpha Omega Sin because I got tired of the alt-right videos in my feed. I'd prefer him to split that off more like Pat the NES punk did and for the same reasons. There are some rabbit holes I don't want to even gaze into let alone go down.
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After Trump gets elected all of the sudden censorship is cool now. If u isn't censoring UR irresponsible and gross. How convenient to blame someone else for the damage you've inflicted on society.
The danger from these platforms isn't content. It's the business model. They are intentionally and systematically exploiting people by giving noise a massive voice/audience simply to maximize profit. Same thing the lamestream media had been doing all this time by giving a massive platform (To the tune of countless billions in "free media") to fringe crackpots (e.g. Donald Trump) simply to maximize their own profit.
DJT being elected shined light on the issue of extraordinary harmful effects of media exploitation of society for simple profit. Predictably when called on it media deflects to promoting censorship rather than addressing the actual problem.
Toxic YouTube Executives Run Wild letting SJW's run rampant.
Besides ideology, the fact is that something like 36% of US GDP is governmental. That means the vast majority of US society is still a matter of "private" interaction; indeed, most legal disputes are actually resolved out of court by private arbitration, and most security services are not the police but rather hired mercenaries.
This YouTube CEO, CEO Susan Wojcicki, defines "running the business" as being separate from "managing content".
Hey, Wojcicki, I understand that as CEO you don't want to be personally policing video content. But maybe, just maybe, you should employ someone who does that job? And as a video streaming company, "running the business" had better damn well include "managing video content".
To say or even imply otherwise is to sound stupid and disengaged.
Anyone able to decode this jargon for me?
Someone told me about a YouTube video that was criticizing democrats. I searched for the exact and very unique title and the only things that came up were CNN videos. The person actually had to send me a link to it so I could watch it.
This is blatant censorship. Welcome to communism.
Toxic is the new buzzword to justify censorship. It's so easy to strip people of their rights if you use the right buzzwords. You can de-platform any political party before it's even created. You silence critics at a drop of a hat. Notice how the word "alt-right" gets used in every political argument these days but you'll never see one in the real world. Notice how the words "harassment" and "trolling" can be used to shutdown your critics accounts. Social media companies are practically having screaming orgasms at the opportunity to censor people purely for political reasons. It's too easy.
Perhaps an unobtainable member of that particular part of the island. Because every example I have been given I have deemed to not truly be from there....
Now we go beyond Laws to meta-pseudo-'laws', which are Deep State strategy 'guidelines' to be followed as if laws by every major media entity.
In other words 'outsider' opinion that runs counter to Deep State agendas is to be sent down the Memory Hole.
Or, as Orwell put it- WRONGTHINK.
In 1984, wrongthink was criminal by defintion. The rule of law was superceeded by the rule of the Deep State- unelected and essential invisible entities that laid down the very definition of what was allowed.
Most of Human History ran explicitly to this method. We are coming out of a period of essentially fake 'democracy' where concepts like freedom of conscience, freedom of assemly and freedom of expression are being put to the sword once again.
In the UK, state owned public meeting places had BANNED David Icke from giving lectures to the paying public, under Tony Blair's Fabian movement that is behind this whole horrific agenda. In the USA, the democrats and most republicans belong to Blair's planetry vision as well. China and Russia are falling over themselves to implement Blair's societal changes.
Hitlery Clinton was supposed to the America's version of Blair- but the Deep State has neatly adjusted to Trump, and subverted him all too well.
Facebook and Google have recently employed key BRITISH lieutenants of Tony Blair to run their Orwellian censorship policies.
What we are witnessing is the end of one era (what most call 'modern democracy') and the beginning of another - just how bad the satanic Blair intends this new era to be we have yet to discover, but all signs point to soemthing unthinkably terrible.
This guy is just pushing to get his own opinions implemented as the policies for youtube. It's almost the exact same thing as when people go onto review sites and write whatever they think will hit the business the most.
Or did you mean terrorists? The sad thing is you got modded up +5 with that little Freudian slip. Or did you mean videos recruiting to Islam? Ok, should we pull the 700 club's channel?
:) ).
Anyway, terrorists videos get pulled when reported, Linda Sarsour seems to just advocate for Palestine (I don't know that much about here, but I couldn't find anything antisemitic there), Pallywood is a pretty controversial concept in and of itself and Communists are generally a pretty peaceable bunch on YouTube, certainly not what I'd called Toxic.
Also, anyone else notice that whenever anyone says "incendiary & toxic" people's thoughts immediately turn to the Alt-Right? I'm not trying to troll here, it's just a fact (facts don't care about you're feelings... ok, I'm trolling a little with that last one
I will say this: If I follow the far left rabbit hole all the way down I find a few anarchists yelling "Punch Nazis". If I follow the alt-right rabbit hole down I end up at a white ethno-state with hints of genocide. What I'm saying is the two are not even remotely equivalent.
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Google suspends and demonetizes all kinds of shit that has nothing to do with politics. And it's not like lefty channels haven't been at the mercy of Google's arbitrary whims.
They just suck as a company, period.
Hitler didn't run on Genocide. Nobody ever leads with it. It starts out with angry, disaffected people who get conditioned into violence over time. See for an explanation for how you go from Edge Lord to an Alt-Right rally where folks are chanting "Jews will not replace us" carrying torches. The follow up video is good too.
What I'm saying is that there is a process to radicalization. Now, there's two ends to fight that. One the one end you've got YouTube demoting the Edge Lords in ranking and banning the ones that outright advocate violence (even when it's in the "Won't somebody rid me of this meddlesome priest" vein, and yes I know that quote isn't historically accurate, I can read Wikipedia too ya know). On the other hand you've got guys like Bernie Sanders and Gals like AOC pushing for jobs programs (Green New Deal), Universal access to higher education & healthcare and a general improvement in the working class' lives so that Edge Lords lose the social & economic pressures that move them along the pipeline described above.
But no society can leave Edge Lords to fester indefinitely. Eventually somebody is going to exploit their anger and frustration, organize them, give them weapons and then send them off to commit atrocities. That's because if you don't do something with them they run rampant. That's what people do when they run out of options. And at that point your choices are to either solve their problems for real (e.g. Bernie Sanders/AOC) or manufacture an enemy for them to take their frustrations out on (Jews, Mexicans, Blacks, the Dalits, Burakumin/Eta, every country's got one in their history).
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that Hate Crime is increasing while the rest of violent crime decreases. Here's the article you're probably referencing. Since it was the 1st hit on google.
We fought hard to delegitimize organized violence against minorities in this country. There was widespread anti-black terrorism committed with impunity right up until the 70s (and the occasional incident in the 80s and 90s).
It's not that Americans evolved some higher form of intelligence or empathy. We're the same folk we were 40 years ago minus a chunk of bigotry. What I'm saying is that it would be effortless for us to regress back to the KKK days. I'm a white dude and I do not want that.
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I mean, the United States was explicitly founded on the idea that people should be allowed to hold and to express religious ideas (read: even the most bizarre ideas) without constraint by the government.
So, what are you talking about? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
The problem is that there is an asymmetry: Conservatives (in the U.S. at least) are trying to conserve the idea of a small, limited government that explicitly protects free speech; the conservatives (in the U.S. at least) have always invited into their forums even dummies like the Marxists to spread their ideas unrestrained (compare /r/libertarian with /r/socialism; one will debate you while the other will disappear you), which is why the Marxists have been able to fill Universities unimpeded. In contrast, the Marxists do not allow dissent of any sort; this is the asymmetry—the Marxists use the tolerance of conservatives to push their way into positions of power, and then once in power, revoke that tolerance in order to silence their opposition.
So, what are you talking about? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
The Koch Brothers are taking over the Universities. They've already bought out the economics departments and replaced a large chunk of the professors with the sort of Neo-Liberal MBA guys that are busy figuring out how to replace you with an offshore resource or better yet a computer.
Stop spending all your time and attention on social issues. I get it. SJWs are annoying as fuck. But they're a small minority with very, very little actual power. There are extraordinarily wealthy and powerful people who don't have your best interests at heart and they're busy reshaping the world to suit themselves.
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Mainstream news knows that youtube is the current #1 destination for alternative news sources and they want to crush it and censor it into the dirt. That's the only motive for these articles from bloomberg. Fuck bloomberg.
This post should have been banned as hate speech. Advocating censorship, even by private entities, is literally violence. Today it's the alt-right, tomorrow it's the jews. The poster is literally Hitler, and it would be OK to punch them in preemptive self defense. Shame on Slashdot for giving this hate monger a platform.
Enacting violence is the crime, not telling people to enact violence or even how to enact violence.
Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is still free speech; nobody has to act on that speech, and if people behave in a way that tramples others, then the people who trampled are at fault, etc.
The notion of a yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater came from an American Supreme Court judge who was trying to rule against a guy handing out anti-War pamphlets during WWI; that judge later admitted that he was wrong in his judgment. Only leftists and conservatives who are trying to sound "reasonable" still cling to this stupid idea that you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater; not only is it not true, but it's an utterly Unamerican idea.
(Of course, a theater owner is free to sue you for breach of contract, if admission is contingent on your quiet behavior.)
Ironically, "Nazi" is derived from "National Socialist", which is an ideology better known as "Fascism", which was derived from Marxism by recognizing that Nationalism seems to be a more cohesive collectivism than some kind of internationalist economic status.
You pay for the content you want.
If you want a curated set of videos, then use a service that provides that curation; quit trying to impose your ideas on everyone else.
Get it yet?
Instead of doing their job, the employees went looking for alt-right crap. Is it crap? Probably, most is. "Raised concerns" or "problematic" are dog whistles that actually mean "disagreed with, violently." What these folks should be looking at is how they're building a search engine for a repressive regime in China. And 'raise concerns' there.
However
Is young turks crap? you could argue yes. Is alex jones? yep ? but what about an issue like evergreen college? Is Bret Weinstein crap? If you think so, then I'd sure like all sides of evergreen to be allowed the light of day.
Capitalism doesn't care about borders or self-described "governing" bodies; capitalism is a philosophy that describes a fundamental aspect of anti-fragile interactions between individuals.
Put more concretely, even North Korea has capitalism, manifesting as the so-called "black markets"; in fact, it is this capitalism that keeps the North Koreans (or the former Soviets, or the Venezuelans, etc.) alive in spite of the massive parasite of authoritarianism that sits astride social interactions.
Where's an example of a society being run by capitalism? Literally everywhere; government is like that guy who jumps in front of a parade and pretends to lead it.
Without curation, you don't trust the populace with the right to vote.
Well, I agreeâ"society's resources should be organized with Capitalism, not Democracy, but that's for another discussion.
To give you answer to your question: To me, the OP is saying 2 things:
* The collectivist authoritarians (namely Marxists) are making their long march through YouTube.
* University-educated people are the ones who fill the roles of large, influential organizations like a government or YouTube; generations of these people have been pushed through a process of "education" that is increasingly just Marxist indoctrination, to the degree that many campuses don't even pretend to allow debate anymore.
That's the nature of collectivist authoritarians: You either agree to "our" view, or you will be silenced (softly at first, but that's just a start).
Leftist dog whistle for stating opinions that disagree with leftist dogma.
you're suggestion all Muslims are terrorists, right? Because, I mean, you are, and you seem pretty unapologetic about it.
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and the ability to publish is not toxic content.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
while suggesting they rule you.
Also the market place of ideas starts to fall down when you factor in spam. It completely collapses under the weight of moneyed interests.
Good example: Right now corporate owned media is trying to cram Joe Biden down my throat. MSNBC has been attacking the women who called him out on being handsy; being careful to tell us how this is ever so much different than when they black balled Al Franken. Why? Because Biden's already promised to slash Social Security meanwhile Bernie Sanders wants to raise the tax cap to fund it.
My point is we focus too much on YouTube and not enough on the billionaires that run our media.
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Why are you people watching YouTube? It's like you don't understand how the internet works, and then complain when you get pwned by its creators. /shrug
Next your're gonna start complaining about ads tracking you and Facebook being full of fake news.
As if ads and Facebook was ever not about tracking and fakery. Sigh. You're doing it wrong.
The only problem in your scenario is the whackjob that could hurt you.
The problem is the whackjob; rather than attacking the whackjobs, you're attacking the next easier target, which is a terrible way to foster a robust community.
...but tomorrow they will target your political stripe. It doesn't take long for the winds of politics of those in charge of a nation or a company to change. And then the biggest media platforms in the world will be silencing you, and people you support. And then what? When suddenly all videos with music, women without a hijab, or drinking alcohol become haram? You've stood idly by watching the biggest censorship and surveillance machine in human history (including the soviet union) get constructed, and now it's in the hands of a psychopath who's against your political worldview? Hell, the next president after Trump could nationalize Youtube, and Youtube could become mandatory. Then we're in trouble.
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Who decides what is a conspiracy theory?
Who decides what is a "crackpot" theory that should be suppressed?
Who defines "alt-right"?
Who decides who gets labelled "alt-right"?
Who decides the difference between honest criticism and "hate speech"?
As a random example: The theory of continental drift took almost 50 years to gain any kind of acceptance after it was proposed. If YouTube had been around then would they have suppressed Alfred Wegener's video channel because it was a crackpot conspiracy theory?
Not to say that all (or any) conspiracy theory channels have any reality behind them but WHO DECIDES?
Why should I trust some lefty lib-tard communist SJW censor at YOUTUBE to make that decision for ME?
What about a conspiracy theory channel that claimed the Trump-Russia collusion was just a hoax invented by the Democrats? Would that be censored too? Hmmm?
By contributing to a FOSS project, you are choosing to allocate your resources (e.g., your money, your time, your skills, your labor, etc.).
FOSS is Capitalism. You're a Capitalist.
CNN Executives Ignored Warnings About Fake Collusion Narrative, Letting Toxic News Run Rampant
They have the capability of identifying content that is hate speech, or incitement to violence, glorification of terrorism or anything else objectionable. And if they can do that then there is no reason they shouldn't weight the content so it drops down the results into oblivion so it cannot be found. They can also flag it so it is never recommended, demonetize the content, 18-rate it to require verification. Content so flagged can be manually reviewed and obliterated.
If people are still determinedly finding that content then it simply feeds into improving the countermeasures even further, flagging other videos they may have watched and so on.
Some might see this as being anti-free speech but YT isn't the government and can set whatever terms they like. And indeed they already have such terms. This would just be enforcement of them.
You cannot redefine socialist as "anything bad" and capitalism as "anything good".
How about XXY? XXX? XXYY? Chimeric? NO DIGITAL DEFINITION WORKS IN AN ANALOGUE WORLD. No matter what definition you supply for sex there are people who don't fit into it.
And, no, whining "But those are outliers, genetic defects, random other reason!", because you have to admit that not all humans are male or female BY ANY DEFINITION YOU CAN MAKE.
My definition of "toxic" is along the lines of, someone with an SJW "outrage mob" badge proudly worn on their chest, who thinks all men are sexist pig-dogs. Someone who, through their own blind sexism fueled by the intersectionality "victimhood" politics that they spent gobs of their parents' money going to college to learn about, believes that men shouldn't have a voice or a say in anything.
I define that as probably the most toxic thing I have ever seen. Would the author of this report agree with me? Huh, probably not...
And not even the authors (there were more than one) of that paper agree with your claim of 100 mil, and only one author insists it is 80 million, the others insist it could be half that because the methods used to count what counded as "communism killed X" was far too wide. Ironically, you're the same sort of fucking retard that whinges about feminists extending the meaning of rape to include what you do, e.g. lewd commenting and leering. Yet here you are, accepting a massive expansion of the term "killed by" because it fits YOUR insane ideology.
You're no different from the ragingest pink haired feminist.
Isn't YouTube a video hosting site? What business is it of theirs to remove or censor videos?
What does this mean, run rampant? If that's what people want to upload, and what people want to watch, where is the issue?
YouTube isn't mainstream television.
while suggesting they rule you.
He didn't suggest they rule him/us now. The statement is prescriptive, not descriptive. *If* it came to pass that certain people cannot be criticized (e.g Xi in China), then you know those people are the rulers.
Also the market place of ideas starts to fall down when you factor in spam.
Except it doesn't. Spam is actually a very good example of why censorship doesn't work. Yea, spam filters has gotten pretty good, but did spam stop? NO. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's gone.
Spammers still spam despite filters, because all it takes is for one spam to go through to one sucker to make it all profitable for the spammers. With computers, it's easy to just keep spamming until the spammer hits the jackpot.
It's asymmetrical warfare. It costs spam filters/blockers more to figure out defenses against spam than for spammers to come up with new ways to spam.
What would be a more cost effective method to combat spam is education - engage the people in the market place of ideas and teach them about spam, how to spot them, how to avoid falling for their scams, etc.
It completely collapses under the weight of moneyed interests.
No, it doesn't. If it did, you wouldn't have Bernie or Justice Democrats rising and boasting their success despite not taking big corporate money.
Right now corporate owned media is trying to cram Joe Biden down my throat
Um... you're rejecting an idea while suggesting it's being crammed down your throat.
This indicates the marketplace works: throwing more money doesn't necessarily make the underlying idea better and more acceptable
(this too, is why all the focus on silencing conservatives and the alt right is futile; if their ideas are really that bad, they still won't sway too many people even if can broadcast it. Or are you saying you are so weak minded that if I show you a few more Sargon videos you'll turn alt right?)
My point is we focus too much on YouTube and not enough on the billionaires that run our media.
False dilemma. Nobody says you can't do both.
Nazi party (they are rightwingers, no more socialist than North Korea is democratic), white supremacists, religious and patriots all revere authority, the patriots BY DEFINITION do so. "My country". That is an authority state.
Would you like some cock down your throat too? Aw hell, why not...
It's not like I'll run out of copy/paste any time soon while you try to block me for calling you out as sniveling racist cunts that you are.
Anyway... as I was saying to that racist scumbag Penguinisto up there...
Would you like some cock with that strawman?
And that ignoratio elenchi you're peddling?
Well, ready or not, open wide...
First of all, setting the argument as if it is about the "value of the victim" clearly shows that you are scum.
That you're also setting that up as a strawman shows signs of mental retardation and sociopathy, as well.
You think that you are smarter than the average bear, but you're actually so pathetic that you don't even realize how epic your dumbness and ignorance truly are.
See... the actual issue is with the severity of the crime due to its premeditated nature (there are no accidental hate crimes) AND the presented lack of remorse.
You don't shoot up a synagogue, a mosque, a church, a gay wedding, an abortion clinic etc. due to a momentary lapse of reason - you do it because you believe such an act to be morally RIGHT.
That is why people who commit hate crimes deserve a harsher sentence. It has nothing to do with the "value of the victim".
But thanks for pointing out to everyone that YOU believe it to be so.
I.e. That lives of some people ARE inherently "more valuable" - and that said value revolves around hate crime issues.
Like race, religion, sex, ethnicity etc.
Oh and that's not a real cock I just showed down your throat. It's a catheter for artificially inseminating swine.
Only been used once.
On your mom.
As for motive determining guilt or innocence... Do you even language motherfucker?
motive
noun: motive; plural noun: motives
1.
a reason for doing something.
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This whole article is infused with the underlying idea that information must be curated for "our" benefit.
Fuck you.
Sincerely,
The Internet
P.S. are there no articles to be placed on Slashdot that discuss technology? I am fucking tired of having social programming thrown at me day in and day out. Sure, the social programming articles are, ostensibly, about tech... but they are not about tech, they are about trying to make us think in particular ways with particular frames of reference. What the fuck? Where are my meds? I need to burn my mind so I am content with this shit.
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Plus the fact that all of this "incendiary and toxic content" that I'm supposed to be worried about is "alt-right" or just plain "conservative". Ignore the Muslim recruitment videos, left-wing hate (Linda Sarsour, etc.), Pallywood, Communists, etc.
That's why they have no credibility: They're not against "incendiary and toxic content" - they're against conservatives.
OMG, the Conservative Persecution Complex rises again! Did you ever think that the reason people mock some 'conservative ideas' is because even by 'conservative standards' they're pretty fucking stupid? I bet the liberal bias of Wikipedia hurt your feelings too? Don't worry, there's a safe space for this type of shit, Conservapedia! I hear it's about ready to take flight finally! Fuck man, I bet you even sleep with your gun cause everyone's out to get you. You guys brought alt-right and nazis into our government with all the dog whistling and hand wringing and now you are fucking surprised? Own it you pussy. Conservatives are the reason America is turning into a shit hole.
No, asshole. The reason he didn't see the whole thing was because I was there and stopped it before it got into the even creepier scenes.
I see a lot of BS surrounding youtube and how they manage content. They're spending an awful amount of time policing conservatives and trying to shut down pewdepie but those videos of Elsa doing drugs or fighting with Spiderman over a hooker are totallly ok!!! I've tried to find an answer as to why that crap was in the kids section of youtube but I've never gotten an answer.