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- not being able to open that complex word attachment that your coworker mailed you
- not being able to browse every site online (some are definitely IE specific, others require plugins not available on linux)
I fail to see how these have anyting to do with linux. If you publish something in a proprietary format, then by definition only those with the proprietary application will be able to use it.
Doesn't matter whether it is linux or any other operating system (or even windows without the proper applications installed).
If you want your work to be useable by as many people as possible, publish in a standard format. If you don't, well then why would you be surprised when you find out that people can't view your work?
Parents always complained about the place, as parents are want to do. Not that anything ever went down there. The owners were parents themsevles and wanted to make sure it was just a fun place to hang out.
What exactly did the parents complain about? I mean, they are the parents, the children are their responsbility... not the arcade's, not the mall's...
It may have been done already, but like some other guy said, you could probably do something different/better. I really like the idea of a FPS+RTS game, but natural selection is one of the most boring games I've ever played. There's a lot of potential in this genre.
They shipped Metro X well into 5.x. RedHat 5.0 was the first RH distro I used, and I got a copy of MetroX on there. I remember using that X server long after RH 5.0 was obsolete.
But, legally, do you *have* to watch the FBI warning at the beginning of the movie?
No, you don't, legally. My fiancee has a bonestock DVD player purchased in the US (Philips I think?) that will let you fast forward over anything (FBI warning, ads...).
If you want to use your legally acquired content in a way that Apple didn't permit, like say playing them on a linux machine or a non-ipod handheld, you have to burn them to CD, rip them from the cd you just burned, and then encode them into another format, loosing quality in the process.
Programming has evolved into a mindless occupation?
Sure, maybe if the programming in question consists of throwing some VBscript into a web page you made with Frontpage and calling it a web application...
Because RIAA is suing p2p users that infringe on their copyrights? Together with fake files, the cost to get songs "for free" is becoming prohibitively expensive, both in terms of time and effort to find real songs, as well as the risk of getting sued.
Well then, in that case, these casual users aren't going to put the iTMS downloaded music onto a P2P network anyway because they aren't on any P2P networks for the above reasons. The DRM isn't preventing them from throwing the songs on Kazaa. The threat of a lawsuit is.
So the causal users are staying away from P2P music distribution and switching to iTMS and the like and the serious infringers circumventing the DRM anyway. The people in between who aren't technically savvy but illegally download music on P2P don't need to do any ripping since they are on a sharing network with people who already have.
So who does that leave? Legitimate, law-abiding users who want the music in an unrestricted format.
That's why I said you don't "get it". Apple's DRM aims to make it a hassle to commit copyright infringement, not impossible. They're clearly aware that pirates and leeches will be able to get what they want for free no matter what, and it's fundamentaly impossible to stop them. Those people will never be any music store's target customer, because they refuse to spend money on music.
The aim of FairPlay has always been to prevent even the most casual users from sharing out their iTunes directory on P2P, so any song they buy is automatically shared out into the wild.
If these causal users are already sharing music on P2P, that would imply that they have some P2P software installed that is commonly used for music distribution, which implies that they use it for that purpose. So why would they be using iTMS in the first place?
For the rest of us, who has disposable income from work, and no time to waste on IRC/Hotline to get songs (or no time to waste downloading fake files on P2P networks), Apple's service is perfect. There are also plenty of casual users who seriously can't be bothered to break FairPlay. One buck really isn't that much.
I am one of those people. I don't have time to waste on IRC to get my music. I'd rather just pay the $0.99. I also don't have time to waste burning my music to CD, re-rip it and re-encode it to another format.
But you were clearly not aware of Apple's commitments to DRM (re: Apple's TOS), since you made the insinuation that Apple might just disable CD-Burning in the feature. Next time you want to talk down on Apple's DRM, you might want to be a little more informed.
Apple's TOS says nothing about not disabling the CD burning future or any other feature in the future. It does however say that they reserve the right to change the TOS whenever they feel like it. This has already been addressed here.
And one last thing. You're not being modded down to troll because of "apple fanboys". You're being modded down because you're fairly ignorant in the subject matter you're involving yourself in. (For examples on how wrong you try to wrongly present Apple's FairPlay DRM, refer to the parent posts)
I am fully aware of how FairPlay works, and that you can burn the music to CD. I have been well before I started this thread. The fact of the matter is I am being modded down (and you up) as a matter of opinion. But no matter, I've been around slashdot long enough to know that that this happens all the time, particularly in Apple related stories.
Because there are plenty of people out there who uses that as an excuse to pirate music easily.
and Yes. You are lazy because methods to get what you need (unprotected music) is already there, yet you consider them a "waste of time".
and Apple's intention is to make it harder to share protected music on p2p networks, or to pass on your songs to your friends. It never was to make it impossible to do so, just a pain in the ass for the pirates.
That's the thing. The purpose of Apple's DRM (and all DRM) is to make it difficult or impossible to commit copyright infringement. But it doesn't.
There are thousands of people who are interested in sharing music illegally. Only a single one of them has to break the DRM and share it with a few others, who will share it with a few others and on and on. In a short while, the music is being shared by thousands of people illegally, and only one had to put in the effort to break the DRM. Overall, has the DRM made it difficult for these people to commit copyright infringement? No it hasn't.
Now lets take a look at the people who want to remove the DRM for legitimate reasons (such as those mentioned in my earlier posts). Every single one of these people (not just the first one) must put in the effort of breaking the DRM. Overall, the DRM has made it difficult for these people to fairly use their music.
Or better yet, you can NOT buy songs from Apple, if that's such a pain for you. Go to the store and pick up a CD instead. Oh wait, you don't want to wait? That's too bad, it's not your birthright to wave your money around and expect to get exactly what you want.
That's what I'm doing. NOT buying songs from Apple. Although I would really love to, the costs involved for me aren't worth it yet. That's why I'm here discussing this. I'm very interested in a service like Apple's where I cean legally, easily and cheaply download music. If/when a tool is developed that will allow me to easily convert my purchased music to formats that are more useful to me, I might consider it to be worth it.
You can also download songs off your choice of IRC/FTP/some-P2P-network, but if the copyright holder of those songs didn't give you permission, you should be aware that you're committing an illegal act, and might get sued.
And I ALREADY pointed out to you that this can already be done. There's no need for this program. Burn it to a CD, and re-encode it to whatever you want.
Can be done without this program.
Can be done without this program.
Can be done without this program.
Great. Now why don't they just remove the nonsense DRM so I don't have to waste my time and my CD to needlessly burn my music just so I can rip it again.
At which point do you have to beg? Oh wait. This is where you should complain about how you're too lazy. That's your REAL intention, because this program offers no other real benefits.
I still don't understand the laziness accusation here. And I won't understand it no matter how many apple fanboys mod me down to troll. Apple needlessly places arbitrary restritions on my music to make using it in the ways I choose more difficult. I am lazy because I dislike these needless and ineffective restrictions?
What a weak argument. You start yakking about the draconian properties of some other DRM measures, and then you try to associate that with Apple's FairPlay DRM, which explicitly allows you to burn unlimited copies of purchased songs into unprotected formats.
If it is Apple intention to allow owners of copies of music they sold to transcode the music into whatever format they wish however many times they wish, then why does the DRM exist at all?
There's no evidence that Apple would never release iTunes for Linux. Likewise, Windows didn't get iTunes support until recently. That's just a limitation of resources, and nothing to do with excluding certain people.
We'll see. I'll be waiting.
Furthermore, what you just said reveals your REAL reason against the DRM.
I revealed my REAL reason for being against the DRM in my original post. My REAL reason for being against DRM is because I want to do what I want to do with my purchased property. I want to play it on the old laptop I have in my car under the seat. I want to play it on any MP3 player. I want to play it on the box hooked up to my home entertainment system. And I want to do it without begging someone for permission to use my private property in the event that I need to reinstall some software.
Not some political stance about Apple locking out other platforms (which is clearly untrue), but that you're too lazy to burn the songs to remove the DRM.
All DRM is precicsely about locking people out of things. That is the entire point of DRM - to lock people out of everything except what is explicitly desired by some central controlling entity.
but that you're too lazy to burn the songs to remove the DRM.
Sure, I can remove the DRM now. But will I be able to in the future? The manufacturers aren't coming up with DRM so that it can be cracked.
Bullshit. You can already do that within iTunes. Just burn to a CD.
Bullshit. Apple's DRM doesn't attempt to lock out anything. Burn it to a CD, and you can do whatever you want with it.
Oh sure, if I want to listen to my music on linux I have to waste my time burning it to CD and then re-ripping it - because Apple has excluded non-Apple, non-MS platforms from playing the AAC files.
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- not being able to open that complex word attachment that your coworker mailed you
- not being able to browse every site online (some are definitely IE specific, others require plugins not available on linux)
I fail to see how these have anyting to do with linux. If you publish something in a proprietary format, then by definition only those with the proprietary application will be able to use it.
Doesn't matter whether it is linux or any other operating system (or even windows without the proper applications installed).
If you want your work to be useable by as many people as possible, publish in a standard format. If you don't, well then why would you be surprised when you find out that people can't view your work?
Bikes have two stroke engines and much simpler exhaust systems, so they produce a lot more pollution than you would think.
and get a 3 MB patch you can (maybe) find at a web-site that's currently down.
That sounds kind of like counter strike. Except the patch isn't 3 MB.
Example, I remember at one CS program, the OS class was 9 weeks of learning how to _use_ Microsoft Windows.
What university was this at?
It is possible to
order the specific pieces you want, although the prices aren't really any better than the buckets of assorted pieces.
What kind of place did you grow up in that made you think that this kind of focus and creativity is a symptom of a mental disorder?
Parents always complained about the place, as parents are want to do. Not that anything ever went down there. The owners were parents themsevles and wanted to make sure it was just a fun place to hang out.
What exactly did the parents complain about? I mean, they are the parents, the children are their responsbility... not the arcade's, not the mall's...
It may have been done already, but like some other guy said, you could probably do something different/better. I really like the idea of a FPS+RTS game, but natural selection is one of the most boring games I've ever played. There's a lot of potential in this genre.
They shipped Metro X well into 5.x. RedHat 5.0 was the first RH distro I used, and I got a copy of MetroX on there. I remember using that X server long after RH 5.0 was obsolete.
But, legally, do you *have* to watch the FBI warning at the beginning of the movie?
No, you don't, legally. My fiancee has a bonestock DVD player purchased in the US (Philips I think?) that will let you fast forward over anything (FBI warning, ads...).
"if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music" quote, but the fact is
I think you missed the irony of that quote...
If you want to use your legally acquired content in a way that Apple didn't permit, like say playing them on a linux machine or a non-ipod handheld, you have to burn them to CD, rip them from the cd you just burned, and then encode them into another format, loosing quality in the process.
Programming has evolved into a mindless occupation?
Sure, maybe if the programming in question consists of throwing some VBscript into a web page you made with Frontpage and calling it a web application...
Cavalier... Escort... Neon...
After coming to the US, my lifestyle has improved
in someways, but has gone bad in other ways
In what ways has it gone bad?
Because RIAA is suing p2p users that infringe on their copyrights? Together with fake files, the cost to get songs "for free" is becoming prohibitively expensive, both in terms of time and effort to find real songs, as well as the risk of getting sued.
Well then, in that case, these casual users aren't going to put the iTMS downloaded music onto a P2P network anyway because they aren't on any P2P networks for the above reasons. The DRM isn't preventing them from throwing the songs on Kazaa. The threat of a lawsuit is.
So the causal users are staying away from P2P music distribution and switching to iTMS and the like and the serious infringers circumventing the DRM anyway. The people in between who aren't technically savvy but illegally download music on P2P don't need to do any ripping since they are on a sharing network with people who already have.
So who does that leave? Legitimate, law-abiding users who want the music in an unrestricted format.
Name an American car that costs less than US$15k (or less than US$20k even) that doesn't completely fall apart before 150,000 miles.
That's why I said you don't "get it". Apple's DRM aims to make it a hassle to commit copyright infringement, not impossible. They're clearly aware that pirates and leeches will be able to get what they want for free no matter what, and it's fundamentaly impossible to stop them. Those people will never be any music store's target customer, because they refuse to spend money on music.
The aim of FairPlay has always been to prevent even the most casual users from sharing out their iTunes directory on P2P, so any song they buy is automatically shared out into the wild.
If these causal users are already sharing music on P2P, that would imply that they have some P2P software installed that is commonly used for music distribution, which implies that they use it for that purpose. So why would they be using iTMS in the first place?
For the rest of us, who has disposable income from work, and no time to waste on IRC/Hotline to get songs (or no time to waste downloading fake files on P2P networks), Apple's service is perfect. There are also plenty of casual users who seriously can't be bothered to break FairPlay. One buck really isn't that much.
I am one of those people. I don't have time to waste on IRC to get my music. I'd rather just pay the $0.99. I also don't have time to waste burning my music to CD, re-rip it and re-encode it to another format.
But you were clearly not aware of Apple's commitments to DRM (re: Apple's TOS), since you made the insinuation that Apple might just disable CD-Burning in the feature. Next time you want to talk down on Apple's DRM, you might want to be a little more informed.
Apple's TOS says nothing about not disabling the CD burning future or any other feature in the future. It does however say that they reserve the right to change the TOS whenever they feel like it. This has already been addressed here.
And one last thing. You're not being modded down to troll because of "apple fanboys". You're being modded down because you're fairly ignorant in the subject matter you're involving yourself in. (For examples on how wrong you try to wrongly present Apple's FairPlay DRM, refer to the parent posts)
I am fully aware of how FairPlay works, and that you can burn the music to CD. I have been well before I started this thread. The fact of the matter is I am being modded down (and you up) as a matter of opinion. But no matter, I've been around slashdot long enough to know that that this happens all the time, particularly in Apple related stories.
Because there are plenty of people out there who uses that as an excuse to pirate music easily.
and
Yes. You are lazy because methods to get what you need (unprotected music) is already there, yet you consider them a "waste of time".
and
Apple's intention is to make it harder to share protected music on p2p networks, or to pass on your songs to your friends. It never was to make it impossible to do so, just a pain in the ass for the pirates.
That's the thing. The purpose of Apple's DRM (and all DRM) is to make it difficult or impossible to commit copyright infringement. But it doesn't.
There are thousands of people who are interested in sharing music illegally. Only a single one of them has to break the DRM and share it with a few others, who will share it with a few others and on and on. In a short while, the music is being shared by thousands of people illegally, and only one had to put in the effort to break the DRM. Overall, has the DRM made it difficult for these people to commit copyright infringement? No it hasn't.
Now lets take a look at the people who want to remove the DRM for legitimate reasons (such as those mentioned in my earlier posts). Every single one of these people (not just the first one) must put in the effort of breaking the DRM. Overall, the DRM has made it difficult for these people to fairly use their music.
Or better yet, you can NOT buy songs from Apple, if that's such a pain for you. Go to the store and pick up a CD instead. Oh wait, you don't want to wait? That's too bad, it's not your birthright to wave your money around and expect to get exactly what you want.
That's what I'm doing. NOT buying songs from Apple. Although I would really love to, the costs involved for me aren't worth it yet. That's why I'm here discussing this. I'm very interested in a service like Apple's where I cean legally, easily and cheaply download music. If/when a tool is developed that will allow me to easily convert my purchased music to formats that are more useful to me, I might consider it to be worth it.
You can also download songs off your choice of IRC/FTP/some-P2P-network, but if the copyright holder of those songs didn't give you permission, you should be aware that you're committing an illegal act, and might get sued.
I am aware of this, hence my interest in iTMS.
And I ALREADY pointed out to you that this can already be done. There's no need for this program. Burn it to a CD, and re-encode it to whatever you want.
Can be done without this program.
Can be done without this program.
Can be done without this program.
Great. Now why don't they just remove the nonsense DRM so I don't have to waste my time and my CD to needlessly burn my music just so I can rip it again.
At which point do you have to beg? Oh wait. This is where you should complain about how you're too lazy. That's your REAL intention, because this program offers no other real benefits.
I still don't understand the laziness accusation here. And I won't understand it no matter how many apple fanboys mod me down to troll. Apple needlessly places arbitrary restritions on my music to make using it in the ways I choose more difficult. I am lazy because I dislike these needless and ineffective restrictions?
What a weak argument. You start yakking about the draconian properties of some other DRM measures, and then you try to associate that with Apple's FairPlay DRM, which explicitly allows you to burn unlimited copies of purchased songs into unprotected formats.
If it is Apple intention to allow owners of copies of music they sold to transcode the music into whatever format they wish however many times they wish, then why does the DRM exist at all?
The point is I have to waste MORE time than I would if there were no restrictions management involved.
There's no evidence that Apple would never release iTunes for Linux. Likewise, Windows didn't get iTunes support until recently. That's just a limitation of resources, and nothing to do with excluding certain people.
We'll see. I'll be waiting.
Furthermore, what you just said reveals your REAL reason against the DRM.
I revealed my REAL reason for being against the DRM in my original post. My REAL reason for being against DRM is because I want to do what I want to do with my purchased property. I want to play it on the old laptop I have in my car under the seat. I want to play it on any MP3 player. I want to play it on the box hooked up to my home entertainment system. And I want to do it without begging someone for permission to use my private property in the event that I need to reinstall some software.
Not some political stance about Apple locking out other platforms (which is clearly untrue), but that you're too lazy to burn the songs to remove the DRM.
All DRM is precicsely about locking people out of things. That is the entire point of DRM - to lock people out of everything except what is explicitly desired by some central controlling entity.
but that you're too lazy to burn the songs to remove the DRM.
Sure, I can remove the DRM now. But will I be able to in the future? The manufacturers aren't coming up with DRM so that it can be cracked.
Bullshit. You can already do that within iTunes. Just burn to a CD.
Bullshit. Apple's DRM doesn't attempt to lock out anything. Burn it to a CD, and you can do whatever you want with it.
Oh sure, if I want to listen to my music on linux I have to waste my time burning it to CD and then re-ripping it - because Apple has excluded non-Apple, non-MS platforms from playing the AAC files.