Your computer must be at least 1.3 GHZ Pentium III/AMD equivalent or better with 256MB of RAM, a 100 Base-T network connection and a CD-ROM.
256MB of RAM? Yep! 100 Base-T network connection? Got that right here! CD-ROM? Should I put the slimline in, or go with the full size? 1.3GHz Pentium III/AMD equivalent or better? Hmm... we've got a problem. Umm... can you fire up WCPUID and set the multiplier to ten? *inserts Live CD, reboots, and sees VIA C3 Nehemiah 1000MHz* WHAT THE? I SET IT TO 1333MHz! What was that? Oh, a VIA C3 has to be running at 2.2GHz to qualify? SHIT!
RTFA. Both this study and the linked article use Ezra C3s (appears to be the EPIA 8000 on this study, and the linked article used the V8000 (Value)) at 800MHz. They weren't at all impressed by the floating point performance from the 400MHz FPU. There is no 400MHz C3. The only 800MHz C3 CPUs that would halve the FPU speed would be the Samuel2 and Ezra, and the only 800MHz on an EPIA is the Ezra.
A SIX U? No way do you need that much. As long as you're careful, a 4U gives you PLENTY of space. Giving 3" per board, you can put 6 boards wide. Allowing.5" between boards front to back, you need at least 14" deep. So, a 14" deep 4U will fit 12 of these. Make it 5U if you'd feel more comfortable that way, as these puppies don't put out much heat when there's just one, but when there's 12? Cool 12 like you would a single P4.
Keep in mind, this site is trying to pass it off as the EPIA P4 that VIA had internally developed. No such thing was released, and this is a Mini-ITX board with a VIA chipset.
Here's what the modifiers mean (don't know about the A suffix, though), and what boards have them:
No prefix: has two IDE connectors VIA EPIA 500 (533MHz Ezra Eden) VIA EPIA 8000 (800MHz Ezra C3)
V (Value) prefix: has one IDE connector, one FDD connector, and lower quality components (compared to the original) VIA EPIA V5000 (533MHz Ezra Eden) VIA EPIA V8000 (800MHz Ezra C3)
M (Multimedia) or ME (Multimedia Eden) prefix: has two IDE connectors, one FDD connector, and MUCH higher quality components VIA EPIA ME6000 (600MHz? Ezra Eden) VIA EPIA M9000 (933MHz Ezra C3) VIA EPIA M10000 (1.0GHz Ezra C3) VIA EPIA M10000 (sometimes is marketed as M10000B/2/N - 1.0GHz Nehemiah C3)
CL prefix: similar to M, but has less multimedia and more networking. Allows for upgrades other than PCI. Performance also seems to be better. VIA EPIA CL10000 (1.0GHz Nehemiah C3) possibly others
TC (Thin Client) prefix: has onboard DC-DC converter, has the new CL upgrade interface, otherwise think V series, except it performs better than an M series: VIA EPIA M10000 (1.0GHz Nehemiah C3) possibly others
Funny you mention cracking encryption. Just think - a beowulf of C3s could encrypt better than the same number of P4s (any speed) or AXPs (any speed) and maybe even A64s. It's because an encryption engine is on the C3 (C5XL cores or newer, and it gets better at C5P)
AMD? The CPU is too big. As for Intel, Commell makes P4 (LV-670 - no Prescott, but still...), P4-M (LV-670M), and P-M boards (LV-671, available in MP (Mini-PCI) and MA (Mini-AGP) variants).
IIRC, I remembered someone had a goat that never stayed where she was supposed to be. She jumped in between their fence and the neighbor's electric fence, and got electrocuted for two hours. She stopped going in places she shouldn't be since then. However, her offspring were the same way, except (IIRC again) none have jumped between the fences.
Actually, starting Debian Woody Netinst with bf24 gives you a 2.4 kernel. So, since it's an update to the DEFAULT kernel (linux, instead of bf24), it'll probably hit security.debian.org.
Unfortunately, yes. Many people have taken old Macs, and thrown in VIA EPIA Mini-ITX motherboards. Also, a product called the MacCharlie added an IBM-compatible PC to the Mac. It could only handle text mode, and apps displayed in a window on the Mac.
...before editorializing. Click the install link - it goes to the Knoppix page. I know that it's not installing, but it's the suits you need to talk to.
Well, this box was built in about 1992, and the manufacturer was making 486 systems at that time (I have a mobo and CPU out of one - mine is even an old logo CPU), so maybe they just got a surplus of the stickers, and started sticking them on all of their Intel systems.
Ah, you have a 12" model, that's the problem. I've heard that the larger screen models, due to their larger size, don't have the heat dissipation issues of the 12". Basically, if you took two identical laptops, except for their mobo, one being a Mac G4 or G5-90nm mobo, one being a P-M mobo, they'd put out about equal heat.
This is from what I've heard about the Crusoe. Or, is this the Efficieon (sp?) If so, my numbers are off. Even then, I'd still prefer a VIA C3, which is a bit more predictable when it comes to performance, and is just as low powered in the Eden variant, which is now ramped up just as high as the main C3.
However, it IS the new version of a vaporware product - try minipc.vulcan.com and see what I mean. Better yet, try here for more.
BTW, this is a bit misleading: FlipStart features a 1 GHz processor (just like a standard full-size laptop computer). I have not seen a standard full-size laptop computer this year OR last year with a 1GHz CPU. I've seen thin and lights with 800-1100MHz CPUs, but those are not full-size.
IIRC, my grandmother's 386 had an Intel Inside sticker near the back, with a little marketing blurb about why that was good (stuff about enhanced technology, etc., etc.)
5.25" low density disks have a theoretical magnetic lifetime of 90 years. I have 15-20 year old Apple II disks that still work perfectly. In about 2002, I remember seeing that someone had a disk image of PC-DOS 1.1 off of a disk with zero bad sectors (this disk was from 1981).
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Your computer must be at least 1.3 GHZ Pentium III/AMD equivalent or better with 256MB of RAM, a 100 Base-T network connection and a CD-ROM.
256MB of RAM? Yep!
100 Base-T network connection? Got that right here!
CD-ROM? Should I put the slimline in, or go with the full size?
1.3GHz Pentium III/AMD equivalent or better? Hmm... we've got a problem. Umm... can you fire up WCPUID and set the multiplier to ten? *inserts Live CD, reboots, and sees VIA C3 Nehemiah 1000MHz* WHAT THE? I SET IT TO 1333MHz! What was that? Oh, a VIA C3 has to be running at 2.2GHz to qualify? SHIT!
RTFA. Both this study and the linked article use Ezra C3s (appears to be the EPIA 8000 on this study, and the linked article used the V8000 (Value)) at 800MHz. They weren't at all impressed by the floating point performance from the 400MHz FPU. There is no 400MHz C3. The only 800MHz C3 CPUs that would halve the FPU speed would be the Samuel2 and Ezra, and the only 800MHz on an EPIA is the Ezra.
A SIX U? No way do you need that much. As long as you're careful, a 4U gives you PLENTY of space. Giving 3" per board, you can put 6 boards wide. Allowing .5" between boards front to back, you need at least 14" deep. So, a 14" deep 4U will fit 12 of these. Make it 5U if you'd feel more comfortable that way, as these puppies don't put out much heat when there's just one, but when there's 12? Cool 12 like you would a single P4.
Keep in mind, this site is trying to pass it off as the EPIA P4 that VIA had internally developed. No such thing was released, and this is a Mini-ITX board with a VIA chipset.
Here's what the modifiers mean (don't know about the A suffix, though), and what boards have them:
No prefix: has two IDE connectors
VIA EPIA 500 (533MHz Ezra Eden)
VIA EPIA 8000 (800MHz Ezra C3)
V (Value) prefix: has one IDE connector, one FDD connector, and lower quality components (compared to the original)
VIA EPIA V5000 (533MHz Ezra Eden)
VIA EPIA V8000 (800MHz Ezra C3)
M (Multimedia) or ME (Multimedia Eden) prefix: has two IDE connectors, one FDD connector, and MUCH higher quality components
VIA EPIA ME6000 (600MHz? Ezra Eden)
VIA EPIA M9000 (933MHz Ezra C3)
VIA EPIA M10000 (1.0GHz Ezra C3)
VIA EPIA M10000 (sometimes is marketed as M10000B/2/N - 1.0GHz Nehemiah C3)
CL prefix: similar to M, but has less multimedia and more networking. Allows for upgrades other than PCI. Performance also seems to be better.
VIA EPIA CL10000 (1.0GHz Nehemiah C3)
possibly others
TC (Thin Client) prefix: has onboard DC-DC converter, has the new CL upgrade interface, otherwise think V series, except it performs better than an M series:
VIA EPIA M10000 (1.0GHz Nehemiah C3)
possibly others
Funny you mention cracking encryption. Just think - a beowulf of C3s could encrypt better than the same number of P4s (any speed) or AXPs (any speed) and maybe even A64s. It's because an encryption engine is on the C3 (C5XL cores or newer, and it gets better at C5P)
AMD? The CPU is too big. As for Intel, Commell makes P4 (LV-670 - no Prescott, but still...), P4-M (LV-670M), and P-M boards (LV-671, available in MP (Mini-PCI) and MA (Mini-AGP) variants).
AFAIK, didn't Tom himself say something like 37% of THG's revenue came from Intel?
<support point="CriX">Also, maybe you should read the linked articles (at the end of the one you linked to), bashing that article.</support>
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IBM Model M (PS/2) via PS/2 to AT adaptor, on a Biostar MB8500TTD. It works like that on all PCs, though.
However, Micheal WAS shouting. You've never heard that used like that in an accusatory tone?
IIRC, I remembered someone had a goat that never stayed where she was supposed to be. She jumped in between their fence and the neighbor's electric fence, and got electrocuted for two hours. She stopped going in places she shouldn't be since then. However, her offspring were the same way, except (IIRC again) none have jumped between the fences.
If I read it right, it's actually a company that was running Linux, then was bought out, and is switching to Windows.
Actually, starting Debian Woody Netinst with bf24 gives you a 2.4 kernel. So, since it's an update to the DEFAULT kernel (linux, instead of bf24), it'll probably hit security.debian.org.
Unfortunately, yes. Many people have taken old Macs, and thrown in VIA EPIA Mini-ITX motherboards. Also, a product called the MacCharlie added an IBM-compatible PC to the Mac. It could only handle text mode, and apps displayed in a window on the Mac.
Umm... dd_rescue won't do a damn bit of good if the drive doesn't spin up.
Hmm... what Java based browsers do you know of, and recommend?
After all, last I checked, Opera Software wasn't making a Java version of their browser.
...before editorializing. Click the install link - it goes to the Knoppix page. I know that it's not installing, but it's the suits you need to talk to.
Well, this box was built in about 1992, and the manufacturer was making 486 systems at that time (I have a mobo and CPU out of one - mine is even an old logo CPU), so maybe they just got a surplus of the stickers, and started sticking them on all of their Intel systems.
Ah, you have a 12" model, that's the problem. I've heard that the larger screen models, due to their larger size, don't have the heat dissipation issues of the 12". Basically, if you took two identical laptops, except for their mobo, one being a Mac G4 or G5-90nm mobo, one being a P-M mobo, they'd put out about equal heat.
This is from what I've heard about the Crusoe. Or, is this the Efficieon (sp?) If so, my numbers are off. Even then, I'd still prefer a VIA C3, which is a bit more predictable when it comes to performance, and is just as low powered in the Eden variant, which is now ramped up just as high as the main C3.
However, it IS the new version of a vaporware product - try minipc.vulcan.com and see what I mean. Better yet, try here for more.
BTW, this is a bit misleading:
FlipStart features a 1 GHz processor (just like a standard full-size laptop computer).
I have not seen a standard full-size laptop computer this year OR last year with a 1GHz CPU. I've seen thin and lights with 800-1100MHz CPUs, but those are not full-size.
$5,000 worth of entertainment equipment, not $5,000 OF entertainment equipment.
You have a sensitive lap. Even Centrino laptops put out more heat than a G4 laptop, and AFAIK, the G5@90nm puts out about as much heat as a G4.
Actually, the 1GHz CPU performs more like 300-500MHz. Also, this is the new version of a vaporware product.
IIRC, my grandmother's 386 had an Intel Inside sticker near the back, with a little marketing blurb about why that was good (stuff about enhanced technology, etc., etc.)
5.25" low density disks have a theoretical magnetic lifetime of 90 years. I have 15-20 year old Apple II disks that still work perfectly. In about 2002, I remember seeing that someone had a disk image of PC-DOS 1.1 off of a disk with zero bad sectors (this disk was from 1981).